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Impressions after 3 days with the HD

Pro's:
- screen (size, sensitivity, resolution)
- fast processor + huge storage memory
- Youtube playback (only use WiFi). Very good quality, only few occasional frame rate issues
- very good phone quality (audio)
- can mostly be operated by finger, although sometimes you do need the stylus. To me that's no problem.
- format (seems big, but fits perfectly it in your jeans' pocket)
So/so:
- Opera. At times I like it, other times I don't. Maybe I just need to get used to it...
- HTC keyboard. It works, but could be improved.
- Camera is OK, but not spectacular.
- no D-pad, although I have barely missed it so far
Cons:
- Soft reset button is behind back cover. Haven't had the need to use it yet but I am afraid this may become annoying
- LED in On/off button looks stylish, but now I have to look closely on top of my device, rather than to get a quick glance from a distance to see if I missed any phone calls or messages
- Device isn't entirely 'flat on the back' because of camera, which causes some instability while operating it lying on a table
- Virtual buttons; didn't find a way yet to assign different functions
- Not all software works (eg. HiCalc). But this will only be a matter of time
Haven't tested yet:
- movie playback
- MP3 playback
- GPS
Conclusion: so far I am pretty happy with the HD. Ofcourse it could be improved. But that counts for all devices out there...

Hah... This is EXACTLY how I view the HD... nice sum-up Apart from Opera, I do like it, even when it's a little sluggish at times, but mainly because it's on the HD i like it, the huge screen makes most of the difference.
For the keyboard I use TouchPal. Google it. Love it.
The camera is GOOD in good lighting conditions but VERY VERY bad in poor lighting, so yeah, so-so average.
Oh, I regard Audio playback as so-so, video playback as PRO despite what a lot of other people think (so-so). My movies play like a breeze and it's all super sharp thanks to the screen (use CorePlayer).
GPS is also a PRO... I used to own the Diamond (which also did an OK job at it) and I don't know what they improved but they did, I easily get 8-12 or even more connections in Google Maps almost instantly. No inherent GPS lag anymore either. I confirmed it was there on my diamond and confirmed it wasn't there anymore on the HD. Except in Google Maps, there is a slight delay, but that has been commonly agreed upon as an issue in GM and not in the HD.

For the soft reset.....
You can either just power down the device (press and hold power button) and then power back on. It's the same as a soft reset.
or...
I use PHM power toys (they are free) and once installed you get a soft reset program icon. Stick that in the program section of touchflo and no need to take the back off

donzx6 said:
You can either just power down the device (press and hold power button) and then power back on. It's the same as a soft reset.
or...
I use PHM power toys (they are free) and once installed you get a soft reset program icon. Stick that in the program section of touchflo and no need to take the back off
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Er... if the phone freezes, then the power button doesn't work - so you need to hit the soft reset button.
I'd like to be able to turn off/change the function of the volume buttons - too easy to accidently press them - and they are very sensitive. When you want to change the volume they seem very nice, tactile and smooth, but they're just too sensitive when you don't...

donzx6 said:
You can either just power down the device (press and hold power button) and then power back on. It's the same as a soft reset.
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I'm the guy who sand-papered the faceted back of his diamond, so for me - drilling a small hole in the back cover to uncover the soft reset button would also be an option.

Thats a good point monkeyboy....
....I'll get me coat

I have used the GPS with TomTom 7 and works like a dream.
Tip: Use Quick GPS to download data first - last for 6 days.
I migrated from Trinity to this phone and have never looked back apart
from the camera - is there a way to stop the 3 second delay and take instant photos without autofocus on -perhaps a reg hack?
Hawk

I have used the GPS with TomTom 7 and works like a dream.
Tip: Use Quick GPS to download data first - last for 6 days.
I migrated from Trinity to this phone and have never looked back apart
from the camera - is there a way to stop the 3 second delay and take instant photos without autofocus on -perhaps a reg hack?
Hawk

thats the funny lol
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I'm the guy who sand-papered the faceted back of his diamond, so for me - drilling a small hole in the back cover to uncover the soft reset button would also be an option.
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i cant believ you would actualy do that mate thats realy funny but if you did that wont that cause dust to go into your device and cause damage and how would you sell it of

Hah I still can't believe you sandpaper the back of the Diamond roflmao
But of course he takes the cover off before drilling a hole into it, makes sense don't it

well I am on day two .. its an up and down relationship. One thing doesn't work .. find a how to sort it .. another thing comes up. I wouldn't say that is a phone for the masses.

Day 2 for me and so far:
Pros:
The screen is amazing for ebook reading. Much bigger, clearer & sharper than my Prophet.
I didn't actually realise there was a radio, but it works really well.
The Teeter game is amusing and fun to show off with.
The GPS is very accurate and, because I walk/get the bus, it doesn't need huge amounts of maps, so data's not too bad.
Cons:
TouchFLO has gone. It was too slow for me (no nice run-finger-along-to-scroll)...
No D-pad meant I had to rebind the volume keys to up/down - they work fine now.
The Opera browser doesn't always register my clicks on the links.
I'm very happy with it so far. It does everything I need (which is simple - phone, ebooks, music player!) and does it well with extras. Husband doesn't like it because he likes physical keyboards, but hey!

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... Husband doesn't like it because he likes physical keyboards, but hey!
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Take it that goes under the 'Pros' heading then
Day 3 for me too, so I thought I'd share
Pros
blimey - where to start?!
This is my first WM device (see Cons), so pretty much everything is a bonus - but stand out moments have been:
YouTube on the move - I'm not a huge YouTube fan (or at least I wasn't), but I can now while away my time whilst taking a coffee / fag break from work. Beats picking up a book and reading 3 pages before having to put it down.
GoogleMaps. No huge use for me as satnav (got that built into the car), but lots of fun already showing it off to mates LOL
Lots of techy tweaking to be done (yes, I am a Geek at heart...)
Onbviously at lots of this is down to the size and quality of the screen - the main reason that this is my first WM device was being put off by trying to browse etc on a screen the size of a large stamp - the HD size (for me) is about the best compromise - big enough to read, small enough to fit in the pocket.
Cons
becuase it is my first WM device, I'm still trying to desperately get my head around it all!
Getting there though

Congrats on your HD!
Half my friends group has the iPhone, the rest, well, something else. Then I got my HD and lots of them ordered it too, so now it's 4 HD's My father and brother both got the Diamond, and at work many of my colleagues have some version of HTC phone ranging from the TyTNII to the Touch Pro... These things pop up everywhere...

Edges of screen unresponsive?

Anyone else notice that the edges of the screen on the cmda diamond, cdma pro, and the HD seem to be MUCH less responsive than the screens of previous devices?
I "miss" the exit and start menu buttons pretty often and its pretty annoying lol.
Also the notification/title bar area plus other buttons along the bottom and side.
The rest of the screen is more responsive certainly than say the vogue, mogul, diamond or tp. But its the edges of this and the last 2 mentioned devices that get me..

Well I also feel it's less responsive, but not so much actually. Besides this is caused by the technology of the touch screen.

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Well I also feel it's less responsive, but not so much actually. Besides this is caused by the technology of the touch screen.
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You mean the edges or the whole thing? The main part I feel is more responsive...

Edge responisiveness depends highly on screen calibration. Try to recalibrate screen more precisely, I think situation should improve ...

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Edge responisiveness depends highly on screen calibration. Try to recalibrate screen more precisely, I think situation should improve ...
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Hey thanks a lot. Thought the same thing myself.
Re-calibrated as accurately as I possibly could.
Still no go. I would really like someone else to try this. Take out your stylus even and press in the very corner of the X-button...you get nothing.
Sort of fix: I found that if you hold your press just a little longer it registers (much better) though I'm not quite convinced that it's still normal nor complete.

jim256 said:
Still no go. I would really like someone else to try this. Take out your stylus even and press in the very corner of the X-button...you get nothing.
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I don't see any problem in pressing X-button on my Touch HD. I had similar problem like yours using right vertical scrollbar and recalibration helped, so I though it might help you too, but unfortunately it seem this ain't the same problem

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I don't see any problem in pressing X-button on my Touch HD. I had similar problem like yours using right vertical scrollbar and recalibration helped, so I though it might help you too, but unfortunately it seem this ain't the same problem
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Hmm...I wonder if I should try to get it replaced under warranty.
I would want to, but I have noticed the same problem in a sprint diamond in the store, a sprint touch pro in a store, and a friends sprint touch pro.
What do you (guys) think? Replacement? It could get really annoying...not being able to close out of things. Right now since its new and awesome and stuff I'm kind of trying to ignore it or whatever but...hmm idk.

The fact that the screen is less responsive near the edges is caused by an inherent technical limitation of resistive screens. The screen has no real bezel, and thus, the screen is attached to the body frame right where it ends: at the absolute edges of the screen Where it is attached, it cannot move. A little further away from the edge it can move (eg be pressed down) but this requires more force since you need to bend the screen much closer to the fixed edges than when you would press the center of the screen, which bends the easiest.
Don't know if this makes sense, but it's like a window... Hitting it in the centre will break it much easier than when hitting it close to the edges, since the glass bends much further/easier at the center, so the same force will have more effect.
Anyway, resistive screens have this problems, capacitive screens do not, obviously, since they do not rely on pressure.
If hitting the OK/Close button is a problem for you, just use the hardware button below the screen, the one with the arrow on it. It does exactly the same thing I believe. With 'I believe' I mean I assigned OK/close to that button using AEButtonPlus, which should be the default behavior for pressing it once. I find this to be much more convenient than trying to hit that tiny X/OK button.

nin2thevoid said:
The fact that the screen is less responsive near the edges is caused by an inherent technical limitation of resistive screens. The screen has no real bezel, and thus, the screen is attached to the body frame right where it ends: at the absolute edges of the screen Where it is attached, it cannot move. A little further away from the edge it can move (eg be pressed down) but this requires more force since you need to bend the screen much closer to the fixed edges than when you would press the center of the screen, which bends the easiest.
Don't know if this makes sense, but it's like a window... Hitting it in the centre will break it much easier than when hitting it close to the edges, since the glass bends much further/easier at the center, so the same force will have more effect.
Anyway, resistive screens have this problems, capacitive screens do not, obviously, since they do not rely on pressure.
If hitting the OK/Close button is a problem for you, just use the hardware button below the screen, the one with the arrow on it. It does exactly the same thing I believe. With 'I believe' I mean I assigned OK/close to that button using AEButtonPlus, which should be the default behavior for pressing it once. I find this to be much more convenient than trying to hit that tiny X/OK button.
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Hey thanks for your informative opinion.
This theory seems to fit, except it doesn't quite explain nor fit with these 2 things:
1. I can apply a pretty decent amount of pressure in the corner with no results whatsoever. But I can get full results if I apply less pressure for about .5-1 second rather than just tapping.
2. I have never seen any evidence of this on any other resistive touch devices (vogue, titan).
Why in the world do these resistive touch screens have to suck so bad anyway? The HD is the best I've seen lately, but does HTC just suck at it, or is it everyone (haven't owned a non-htc ts device for a yr or so, and that was a treo where I didn't really notice sensitivity).
My dad has a 3+ yr old Dell Axim X5 and that screen is AMAZINGLY sensitive. Responds to stylus and is too old to be capacitive. But it is literally 100% as responsive / sensitive as the screen of the iPhone. When I used it I couldn't believe it. You had to be VERY delicate and careful and trying hard to touch that screen and not have it know.

screen sensiviity ruining experience

right now........I HATE this phone
the screen is so sensitive it's ruining it for me
even a bit of dust makes it impossible to type a text message. there must be a way to decrease screen sensitivity or it's going back. I'm so pissed off with it right now

Sorry. Think it quite funny.
People have been complaining how insensitive the resistive screen. Now there is a capacitive screen its the opposite.
I hope I don't eat my words in a few days when I get mine.
Quite a few people are complaining about the over sensitive screen then changing there minds after a few days.
How is the dust making it hard?

I love the screen, and tipping is super fast for me.
Best phone I ever have.

The screen is amazing.
Much easier to type than on resesitive screen. you just need to get used to it.

have you guys (found) any videos of typing on the hd2? Wonder what it looks like and if you can become as fluent as with a hw-keyboard?

I have same problem here. I was using Touch HD before and now I can't type anything without making mistakes. T9 helps out but when it comes to password it's getting painfull. When I'm pressing letter on on-screen keyboard I quite often press other keys around. I guess it will take quite some time to get used to it, I don't think sensitivity can be changed.
P.S.
Guys from pocketnow claims that HD2 has about the same sensitivity as Pro2 and definitely less then iPhone. If it so I can't imagine how people are able to use iPhone

we have all been used to resistive till now. you'll adapt dont worry, its a change that we all now have to go through.
i have the ipod touch so i dont think it will be troublesome for me to addapt to the new screen.

after a week with this phone, i love that screen... it is very hard to adapt first few days, but than, everything is so great... it is much better like resistive screen... typing is super fast, sliding is easy...

yes i am also having problems with the high sensitivity, but i'm coming from solid keys so no real surprises! starting to get used to it now. I reckon OP you'll get used to it to. Give it a week or so!

You'll get used to it and never look back, I have an i8910 at the moment (HD2 arriving in a couple of days), which is also capacitive and it just takes a little while to adjust.

Fine here too, although the Opera "flick scroll" is too sensitive in a way - it always seems to scroll too far for me, at least a whole screen, so not as useful as the iPhone equivalent.
Anybody know if that is tweakable somehow?

There are a few practical steps I have found that have minimised the problem (for me) while we restive users come to terms with the capacitive screens we have yearned for:
Don't press too hard - it's easily done in frustration but it actually makes things worse
Align the screen - I don't think the factory calibration is too clever (this made a big difference for me)
Switch to a different keyboard. After labouring with the default keyboard and finding myself in a similar place to the OP, I reinstalled my trusty TouchPal and all is well again
Thse worked for me - hope they are of use to others

kolomnik said:
Guys from pocketnow claims that HD2 has about the same sensitivity as Pro2 and definitely less then iPhone. If it so I can't imagine how people are able to use iPhone
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Same sensitivity as Pro2 ?, lol. They probably got a broken sample.
On the Pro2 I was easily able to put my finger on the screen without a click being registered. With the HD2 we got confirmations this is impossible, as soon as your skin touches the device, no matter how lightly you brought your finger to the screen, a click will be registered.

I used to have a Touch HD beforehand, and after getting the HD2 I noticed I would make a large amount of mistakes, and that typing was extremely hard (especially on the go).
But like others have said, give it a couple of days and you will start to get used to it. I'm definately getting the hang of it. But I would strongly recommend you enable T9. Getting the hang of typing on a capacitive screen comes naturally.
And try out the horizontal keyboard; turn the HD2 sideways and the horizontal keybord will be shown to you. You may find it a bit easier to type on that instead.

This is the best screen i have in any windows mobile, the reason i had an iphone was the capasitive screen it has but now because of this screen i switched to the HD2 and i am more than happy and i don't understand why people complain about this screen its simply FANTASTIC.

I think I can uderstand them, it is beacuse we are used to looking exactly where we are going to click, now, with the capacitive screen, we have to use our finger to do it (wich obviously wont let us see waht we are clicking on). I was a little bit stressed yesterday that I received the phone, but right now I am getting used to it. I am doing now a slide soft motion with the screen, and not the old press hard movement I used to with my HD.
I think it is great, let give it at least a few days so we can get confortable with it.

I have had my HD2 a day.... anyone wanna buy a HD2?

Wow....
I was so looking forward to this device after my Kaiser/XperiaX1/Rhodium. My biggest gripe was always the speed, then the screen size, after all.
But this thing is next to useless. The capacitive touch screen is HORRIBLE, and the lack of a stylus so annoying that words cannot describe. I find that I constantly end up with apps closing when I try to press buttons near the top, etc.
Its impossible to type with, its so inaccurate. Maybe its unfair of me, coming from devices with keyboards but even so, I could type on the screen of my rhodium soo much better.
I guess that boils down to "capacitive screen" too, I guess I'll be going back to my Rhodium and waiting for a snapdragon or tegra powered system with a resistive screen.... Calibrating this thing makes no useful difference.
Sorry for the rant, more than a little frustrated with my £500 paperweight atm.

Nemeth782 said:
Wow....
I was so looking forward to this device after my Kaiser/XperiaX1/Rhodium. My biggest gripe was always the speed, then the screen size, after all.
But this thing is next to useless. The capacitive touch screen is HORRIBLE, and the lack of a stylus so annoying that words cannot describe. I find that I constantly end up with apps closing when I try to press buttons near the top, etc.
Its impossible to type with, its so inaccurate. Maybe its unfair of me, coming from devices with keyboards but even so, I could type on the screen of my rhodium soo much better.
I guess that boils down to "capacitive screen" too, I guess I'll be going back to my Rhodium and waiting for a snapdragon or tegra powered system with a resistive screen.... Calibrating this thing makes no useful difference.
Sorry for the rant, more than a little frustrated with my £500 paperweight atm.
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All I can think is you must have really FAT fingers becuase the screen on this baby is amazing and typing on it is amazing. It's a million times better than the iPhone.

I haven't ever used an iphone for more than a few mins.
I don't think the issue is finger size as I can type better on the screen of my rhodium which is smaller, but resistive. Its more the fact that I touch a button and something happens over the other side of the screen (maybe a slight exaggeration) and apps like Resco file explorer leave me trying to press the same button 20 times before I get it due to lack of Stylus.
Its not usable, its just frustrating.

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I haven't ever used an iphone for more than a few mins.
I don't think the issue is finger size as I can type better on the screen of my rhodium which is smaller, but resistive. Its more the fact that I touch a button and something happens over the other side of the screen (maybe a slight exaggeration) and apps like Resco file explorer leave me trying to press the same button 20 times before I get it due to lack of Stylus.
Its not usable, its just frustrating.
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Just give it a day or two. You'll never want to have an other device...

I really disagree with you on this. I think the screen and the responsiveness is superb to type on. Top of marked for sure. Beats iPhone and Hero imo.

The touch screen on HD2 just like a sexy girl - soooo sensitive.

beating the iPhone and Hero doesn't mean much to me as I haven't done much with either beyond a quick fiddle, but we are all held to believe that capacitive is better, so I was expecting an improvement on my old phones which have all been Resistive.
Maybe mine is broken I guess...
Still, I eventually managed to make a link to the task manager on the start menu. It feels like I fight with it for 30 mins and if I am lucky, I happen to get something done along the way.
If only it was like just about every other HTC phone I have used and had the little drop down task manager on the home screen where the X would usually be...

Its all down to
Calibration.
Ensure you calibrate the screen and calibrate the screen how you tend to use it.
I calibrated the screen with my thumb while holding it in the same hand. Scary but for its size and sensitivity it works great.
Be careful about calibrating with your finger then expect to type great with your thumb. Works okay but you will need some patience. You will get better results with calibrating with your thumb in my situation.

^Agree, re-calibrate your screen & see the differents. If you still want to sell, then put it in the Marketplace...

Try this fix.. For me it was a 100% improvement.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=585511

If only it was like just about every other HTC phone I have used and had the little drop down task manager on the home screen where the X would usually be...
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There's a tweak for that already [that puts it back there] - think it's a Dutty job - have a look in the other forum on apps
And BTW - I've owned an iPhone and many HTC touhscreens and I feel your pain - I too have issues with this one typing is pretty inaccurate (typically it seems to trigger the key blelow that which I'm typing on) and sometimes it seems to just not recognise a press at all....I end up jabbing it so hard with my finger sometimes in frustration! I'm becoming more used to it but it is a little dissapointing, given the iPhones screen (for accuracy and responsiveness) is certainly thus far better than this one

Guys, remember, this screen is going to take time to get used to. Capacitive is a totally different beast to resistive.
And one day is not long enough to fully get used to a device. I am having a few small problems with typing (mostly because it's so sensitive and I'm not used to it!).
Once I get used to it, I don't think there will be any problems. I can already type faster on the HD2 on screen keyboard than I could on the X1 hardware keyboard!

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If only it was like just about every other HTC phone I have used and had the little drop down task manager on the home screen where the X would usually be...
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The Dutty's fix for this didn't work for me, but this alternative did, and there's a few other tasty treats on the post too...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4947950&postcount=1

Original Poster's phone could be faulty. I had a demo of an HD2 the other day, and the keyboard was going completely mad: touching the backspace key, for example, resulted in a flurry of detected key-presses not just of the backspace key itself but of all keys around it in all directions. I mentioned this to the guy in the shop and he said that the reason why they had put that one aside for demo purposes was precisely that they couldn't get the screen properly aligned/calibrated on it, and that the other models they had didn't have the same problem. He might have been lying, of course....

How does the touch-sensitivity of the Leo compare to that of the iphone?

I have been trying to find a Leo to test the touch sensitivity. I currently own the touch HD (for a year now), and although I love it, I must say that the iphone is clearly a lot more responsive to the touch than my hd.
The iphone responds right away to the slightest touch and the movement is so fluid.
How fluid is - for example - cover flow flicking through albums in the Leo landscape player?
If we say the iphone touch-response is a 10 on a scale from 1 to 10, how would you rate the Leo just in that respect?

OK, having had the HD, iPhone 3GS and the Leo I can offer a real perspective on this.
I have the iPhone 3GS sitting right here in front of me and my new Leo. I can tell you straight up, I don't see any difference in sensitivity between the two. They both swipe the same, moving finger across keys. I find no difference in how either screen responds to my finger movements.
It has taken me a few hours of playing around with device (HD2) and having to use the keyboard (when it was required, didn't just use the keyboard) to get used to its different size of keys. What I found is that the end of my fingers aren't 100% equal and that sometimes when I thought I was touching one key my finger actually touched another (edge) as one part of my figertip was further forward (does that make sense) than the part I though I was touching with (the middle). I had this same problem moving from my HD to the iPhone 3GS.
There is one difference that I have noticed...
The iPhone keyboard allows you to press a second/third (probably more than this, but hard to do on such a small keyboard) key while you have another key pressed (multi touch). When you press the second/third key it treats the previous key press as if it has been released. The HTC keyboard won't allow you to press a second/third key while having another pressed.
Both (HD2 and iPhone) keyboards register a key press (send character) when you release the key, not when you first push on it (my simple explanation). This obviously means that when using multiple fingers (thumbs) your experience may be slightly different on the iPhone vs. HD2.
This isn't the phones fault, but the keyboard programs I suspect. Being that the HD2 can multi touch this is just another app that doesn't support it. I haven't tried (on HD2) any of the other keyboards yet so I can't comment on how they work, I don't think any of the WM keyboards support multi touch yet.
Maybe Rozental (FingerKeyboard) can add some light to this. I suspect if FingerKeyboard doesn't already support multi touch it will be made too, once a way to do so is available.
I love my HD2 and how it responds. My iPhone is going up on eBay later today.

Way to bias the question from the start, enforcing top possible marks for the iPhone.
Also, try reading the forum. Do you really think that this hasn't already been discussed? Multiple times?

The touch response is amazing. End of.

Texting can be daunting sometimes, screen is way too sensitive. Never used an iphone.

erosennin said:
Texting can be daunting sometimes, screen is way too sensitive. Never used an iphone.
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What phone did you use previously?

as mentioned already the sensitivity of the hd2 and the iPhone is the same. I have both and they both seem to react in the same way. for those used to resistive screen, it might seem overly sensitive. but once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you could ever manage without capacitive again. if you go back to resistive screen you might just think the unit is defective!

cfu said:
as mentioned already the sensitivity of the hd2 and the iPhone is the same. I have both and they both seem to react in the same way. for those used to resistive screen, it might seem overly sensitive. but once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you could ever manage without capacitive again. if you go back to resistive screen you might just think the unit is defective!
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This.
Capacitive was always going to be weird to get used to for people who had never used an iPhone. Imagine how iPhone users felt the first time they used their phones.
Now you never hear people complaining that it is too sensitive. It will take some getting to, but damn, it's worth it!

Capacitive vs resistive
cfu said:
as mentioned already the sensitivity of the hd2 and the iPhone is the same. I have both and they both seem to react in the same way. for those used to resistive screen, it might seem overly sensitive. but once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you could ever manage without capacitive again. if you go back to resistive screen you might just think the unit is defective!
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You nailed it.
7 years of resistive WM devices and I felt all thumbs on the Leo at first, but now when I use the HD...it feels inadequate.

Xaddict said:
You nailed it.
7 years of resistive WM devices and I felt all thumbs on the Leo at first, but now when I use the HD...it feels inadequate.
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I couldn't agree more. Now I'm used to my HD2, I can quite literally type as fast as I do on a real keyboard......it's awesome. I went back to my omnia for a couple of mins for comparison....and oh my oh my, woefully inadequate.
Viva la winmo capacitive screen

i have owned both and the HD2 is more sensitive. Maybe even too sensitive

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What phone did you use previously?
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I owned the SEX1, but there's no way i'm going back.

HD2 is as sensitive as the 3GS. Though I am more accurate on the 3GS than I am on the HD2 (better key placement, size of device and proportionately wider keys helps on this one).

I think once we get used to the screen it will all calm down. Most of us are just used to resistive screens.

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OK, having had the HD, iPhone 3GS and the Leo I can offer a real perspective on this.
I have the iPhone 3GS sitting right here in front of me and my new Leo. I can tell you straight up, I don't see any difference in sensitivity between the two. They both swipe the same, moving finger across keys. I find no difference in how either screen responds to my finger movements.
It has taken me a few hours of playing around with device (HD2) and having to use the keyboard (when it was required, didn't just use the keyboard) to get used to its different size of keys. What I found is that the end of my fingers aren't 100% equal and that sometimes when I thought I was touching one key my finger actually touched another (edge) as one part of my figertip was further forward (does that make sense) than the part I though I was touching with (the middle). I had this same problem moving from my HD to the iPhone 3GS.
There is one difference that I have noticed...
The iPhone keyboard allows you to press a second/third (probably more than this, but hard to do on such a small keyboard) key while you have another key pressed (multi touch). When you press the second/third key it treats the previous key press as if it has been released. The HTC keyboard won't allow you to press a second/third key while having another pressed.
Both (HD2 and iPhone) keyboards register a key press (send character) when you release the key, not when you first push on it (my simple explanation). This obviously means that when using multiple fingers (thumbs) your experience may be slightly different on the iPhone vs. HD2.
This isn't the phones fault, but the keyboard programs I suspect. Being that the HD2 can multi touch this is just another app that doesn't support it. I haven't tried (on HD2) any of the other keyboards yet so I can't comment on how they work, I don't think any of the WM keyboards support multi touch yet.
Maybe Rozental (FingerKeyboard) can add some light to this. I suspect if FingerKeyboard doesn't already support multi touch it will be made too, once a way to do so is available.
I love my HD2 and how it responds. My iPhone is going up on eBay later today.
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WOW - thank you for the detailed info. Yes, I understood everything you wrote.
Thanks to everyone who contributed to answering my question. Like I said, I have not been able to get my hands on the Leo here in Germany, so until now, I have only been able to compare the HD with the iPhone and, well the difference is obvious (and to be expected). I have been considering selling my HD and getting the HD2. And if its capacitive screen shows no difference to that of the iPhone, then I know I'll love it.

I'vehad a bunch of resisteve winMo phoens, and then all 3 iphones..
the iPhoneswere all the same
and if they are a 10 - the HD2 is a 12
i found it too be too sensitive trying to use the keyboard
but i used the cab file from this forum which changes the sensitivity which helped a lot

docchris1980 said:
I'vehad a bunch of resisteve winMo phoens, and then all 3 iphones..
the iPhoneswere all the same
and if they are a 10 - the HD2 is a 12
i found it too be too sensitive trying to use the keyboard
but i used the cab file from this forum which changes the sensitivity which helped a lot
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Great to hear the HD2 is a 12 (if the iphone is a 10). I would prefer "too sensitive" over "not sensitive enough". I'm seriously considering getting rid of my HD and getting a Leo. I'm just checking on prices and maybe I'll wait a bit for the price to drop (maybe after the holidays).

This isn't the phones fault, but the keyboard programs I suspect. Being that the HD2 can multi touch this is just another app that doesn't support it. I haven't tried (on HD2) any of the other keyboards yet so I can't comment on how they work, I don't think any of the WM keyboards support multi touch yet.
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Im not convinced they will ever support that iphone style keyboard. As far as I can tell it seems the "multitouch" support on the hd2 is all handled in the driver. I have yet to see any app support more than pinch-to-zoom, and I think in those cases the app is not aware of the touches - I think the driver just sends a zoom in or zoom out command.
On topic: I went back to my touch pro and I thought the device was being unresponsive requiring multiple presses. It took me a while to figure out I wasnt pressing hard enough. I guess the hd2 has been spoiling me and I hadnt realised it!

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Im not convinced they will ever support that iphone style keyboard. As far as I can tell it seems the "multitouch" support on the hd2 is all handled in the driver. I have yet to see any app support more than pinch-to-zoom, and I think in those cases the app is not aware of the touches - I think the driver just sends a zoom in or zoom out command.
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Bingo. The OS does not support more than one cursor position, so the only way HTC can shoehorn such things into the device is with driver trickery sending zoom commands to supplied apps that support it, and however they've done the virtual screen "digital zoom" in other apps. Until WM7 this is as good as it gets.
On topic: I went back to my touch pro and I thought the device was being unresponsive requiring multiple presses. It took me a while to figure out I wasnt pressing hard enough. I guess the hd2 has been spoiling me and I hadnt realised it!
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Exactly the same here! And my god isn't that screen small!
Touch sensitiivity on the HD2 is fine.