But a few questions/complaints.
1) NO 3.5mm jack???? this is the only sole reason stopping me from buying this phone
2) I do not like phones with styluses. I've watched some reviews and I'm kinda iffy on the touch keyboard. What are your experiences with the keyboard and in landscape mode? Also, could I take out the stylus and just not bring it in the phone?
3) I like the TouchFlo3D interface; is there a way to get Windows Live Messenger on one of the panels in the bar?
I want it so that my bar is:
Main - Contacts - Mail - E-Mail - Messenger - Calendar - Media - Photos - Internet - Options
To be honest, it really is only the fact that there is no standard headphone jack is what bothers me. Can anyone say anything to compensate for this?
Why would a multimedia smartphone not have a standard earphone jack??
1. Wired headphones are soooo 2005. It seems a rather trivial reason not to get a phone, but then, I almost didn't get it because it doesn't have a place from which to hang a phone strap. But if it's that critical, it does come with an adapter. If you use it in your car, you could just leave the adapter there.
2. TouchFlo is pretty comprehensive. You can do 90% of functions without a stylus, and the few you might need it for are things like deep Winmo settings you'll do when you first get it then forget about it. Some older software requires a stylus, so it's good to have one as a backup. Sometimes, it's good to draw.
3. I've not seen anything that can change the tabs beyond what it comes with out of the box.
I use a SE HBH 970 Bluetooth, no need to wire up my ears and the phone. Besides, there are 3.5mm adapters you can buy (not from HTC but they work).
A screen keyboard can obviously never beat a real one, if typing is all you care about you definately should consider another phone. But the lack of keyboard is a trade-off for small size, so I can live with that.
Another reason to get the D2 is because of its monstrous screen resolution, 480 x 800 pixels. Very few other phones can beat that, not even the HTC Hero and the Iphone which both have 320 x 480.
I've never used the stylus on my TD2. As for the keyboard, its decent. Auto correction is pretty good, so it almost makes up for not having a real keyboard
I came from a Fuze/Touch Pro... and I don't miss the keyboard at all. Actually the keyboard is quite amazing. I never really used with the SIP keyboard with my Fuze and when I did I never used eT9. Once the AT&T Pure rom leaked I used its keyboard on my Fuze and wow wow wow.
I can type faster on my SIP keyboard then my old hardware keyboard. It allows very sloppy typing and very good at determining what your after.
The screen is nice. Coming from a 2.8 VGA screen I can appriciate a 3.2 WVGA screen.
Size is awesome. Phone feels really good in my hands. Has a good sturdy feel to it, unlike the sliding keyboard of the TouchPro. It's also pretty heavy, feels good. I was showing it off to my friends that have a Samsung Eternity and an LG "something"... both physically similar to the Diamond2 (all touchscreen). They were light and cheap plastic feeling. My friends even said my phone felt good.
Camera is sweet. Change the White Balance to Incandesant and the ISO to 800. Takes great pics. Seems to have a better shutter response then my Fuze. I hardly get motion blurs anymore. 5MP is awesome too. If you lowered to 3MP you'd probably get an even better response time.
Phone feels fast. Might be some of the newer WM6.5.1 builds I'm cooking up, but even the stock rom felt great.
If you're worried about a headphone jack... check out the CDMA US version. Supposedly both Sprint and Version both have build in headphone jacks. Supposedly you can unlock the GSM frequencies on the Sprint version, flash a GSM radio, and jump on AT&T/T-Mobile (US bands).
The only time I use my stylus is to reset the phone into bootloader mode to flash a new rom. The stylus is snug and well blended in. I'd leave it in there though so you don't have a hole.
The only thing I dislike about my AT&T Pure is that there is a flap over the USB connector and gets in the way of plugging cables in. I think all other models have exposed jacks. Oh I guess the microUSB could be accessible without removing the battery, but how often do you seriously remove the microSD card?
I found out today that the Diamond 2 lacks the proximity sensor of the Touch Pro2. No big deal but I was under the impression it had one.
thanks for the reply guys I want this phone even more now.
I guess my only gripe IS the missing standard headphone jack.
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If you're worried about a headphone jack... check out the CDMA US version. Supposedly both Sprint and Version both have build in headphone jacks. Supposedly you can unlock the GSM frequencies on the Sprint version, flash a GSM radio, and jump on AT&T/T-Mobile (US bands).
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As in the actual phone/models will have the 3.5mm jack???
I have the htc original phone, and it does not have a 3.5mm jack. There are some accessories that will give you the ability to connect 3.5mm earphones, I believe the htc yc a300 works. I'm not sure if that's what you want though.
If you have a problem with not having a 3.5mm jack try this: http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5mm-Headphone...Accessories?hash=item43991f0358#ht_1399wt_939
Its tiny and barely noticeable and it works great! Just get remove the weird keychain thing and you won't even notice it.
thanks guys
I have decided i will be getting this phone, and everything you guys have said have compensated for each of my problems:
Stylus problem: I'll learn to live with the fact that there is a stylus IN my phone; or i'll take it out.
TouchFlo3D: I love the interface, and i've seen the preview with WM 6.5 with it in color, it looks AMAZING.
3.5mm jack: i still gotta issue with this, but i think i can live with using just its mini usb earphones, or carry that small adapter supreme_one333 suggested.
If you guys want to say anything more comforting, be my guest hehe
The lack of a 3.5mm jack was my only issue at first. But Bluetooth audio is so good on the TD2 together with a Sony HBH-DS200 stick, I never want to go back to a wired music player. You can leave the Bluetooth enabled all the time, just switch on the Sony and it connects automatically. It's even easier than plugging in earphones! Caution: Some Bluetooth devices don't connect automatically. If you get a Sony, it should.
The only vital thing to do is raise the Bluetooth A2DP settings from the standard (crap) settings. Either hack the registry or use one of the free configuration tools. I've got "bitpool" min and max up to 85 and it sounds amazingly good. If the Sony stick is connected to a proper hi-fi, it's nearly as good as a CD! Seriously, you won't miss the 3.5 jack at all.
Regarding the stylus, look at it as a bonus for doing fine work. If you had an iPhone (or any capacitative screen model) you wouldn't have that option. It's a plus point, not a minus. As others have pointed out, most of the time you don't need it anyway.
Hope you enjoy the TD2 as much as I enjoy mine
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This is the first mod that I am doing to all my PocketPC Phone devices - modifying stereo headset. Original ones are Ok if you intend using them for 10 minutes or so, after that is just a plain torture. Well, at least for me.
Here is the result of my mod. Standard heads are replaced with SONY MDR EX51LP. Paired with this little addon for adjusting bass and treble it creates amazing result. In fact, it sounds better than any standalone mp3 player
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=14317
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Wwoo nice.. talking about torture. I used the ones that come with the PDA2K for 50 min straight now.. Jesus... it made me think the machine it self output garbage. The ones that come with the PDA2K are more suited for calls not music.. I wonder if there's anywhere to purchase something like you did. I don't have time myself for modifications.. I wouldn't mind the mic.. Maybe i'll just find a plug converter and plugin my sony's to the i-mate.. Good job you did.. looks professional
Thanks
It took me maybe 15 min to do
Of course, adapter will work, but them if someone calls you while you listen to the music you'll have to unplug headset and use the unit itself. In this case, just press a buttom
Another good solution is to buy the SE headset. It works just fine with the JAM including the mic. I may go for the one with the radio on it as well. And that makes the Compact/JAM really complete!!
kta said:
Another good solution is to buy the SE headset. It works just fine with the JAM including the mic. I may go for the one with the radio on it as well. And that makes the Compact/JAM really complete!!
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which one are you refering to?
can you show step,, by step, how to do it???. Can you also post more pictures?
I'm assuming this will also work with the XDAII headset
I prefer use a 2.5mm -> 3.5mm stereo adatpor for listen mp3.....
not every people want to convert their expansive earphone to a XDA-ONLY handsfree...
killercheung said:
I prefer use a 2.5mm -> 3.5mm stereo adatpor for listen mp3.....
not every people want to convert their expansive earphone to a XDA-ONLY handsfree...
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I would say replace the 2 earspeaker units instead of cut in the middle of the line. Also, both earphone can be reverse to the very begin when need....
killercheung said:
I prefer use a 2.5mm -> 3.5mm stereo adatpor for listen mp3.....
not every people want to convert their expansive earphone to a XDA-ONLY handsfree...
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Nobody got a gun to their heads
Yorch said:
can you show step,, by step, how to do it???. Can you also post more pictures?
I'm assuming this will also work with the XDAII headset
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I can't post step-by-step pictures since unit is already assembled. sorry. But it's really easy:
1. Take apart this middle thingy by inserting your nails or very thin plastic knife. Meake sure no ti brake 4 little plastic clips, 2 on each side.
2. Take off top part.
3. Gently push wire from headphones side in to give some freedom for the circut board.
4. Lift it up the cisrcuit board and expose soldering points
5. Write down existing coloring of the wires soldered.
5. Unsolder
6. Cut appropriate lenght from Sony or whatever you wanna use.
7. Prepare wires for soldering
8. Don't forget to twist the wire the same manner as the original was.
9. Test headphones with case open and make sure both channels are working
10. Gently close cover
Sorry, was typing this in the rush. Feel free to ask more
I'm with ya
could you post a close up picture of the soldering?
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I'm with ya
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Right on!
How come you dont have any name on your unit? Did you remove it? If you did, how?
Sure..
@ID64 Remove "MDA T-Mobile" Print from cover!?
M4io said:
@ID64 Remove "MDA T-Mobile" Print from cover!?
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Thanks
Sugar did the trick! It looks much better now without blue imate/jam letters.
I am not big fan of badges on anything
How did you remove the logos?
Definitely something I want to do
P
From imate or from the car?
From imate - with sugar cube
From car - with dental floss
P.S. You never know when and where those households thing might become handy
I prefer use a 2.5mm -> 3.5mm stereo adatpor for listen mp3.....
not every people want to convert their expansive earphone to a XDA-ONLY handsfree...
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I think of attaching a 3.5mm female plug just above the accept/reject button on the headphones so i can plug any headphones + i won't loose my expensive shruce..
but i always face problems in baring the wires of headphones they are very thin and fragile and can be cut easily i don't know about xda II headphones but im afraid that i will end up loosing it..
ID64 what do you think is the most adequate method of baring the wires????
Will Apple Earphones with Remote and Mic work with motorola defy?
I mean will i hear music normal? i had apple ipod shuffle earphones and they worked gread. not sure for this one with remote.. has anyone tryed?
Check around here, I've posted my findings. I'll let you find your answer.
I've tried them and yes the earphones and mic work flawlessly.
The buttons however are somewhat erratic. During a call, it sometimes work. But when I'm not on a call, it never worked.
I suggest you try the P series of Meelectronics headphones. I use Meelectronics M9 and the quality for the price is awesome. I ordered the M9P (P is at the end of every model that has microfone), can't wait to try it out.
On their website it says that many Android phones are supported (Defy is supported).
Phone Version Device Compatibility (designated as the P version)
M9P review. Other can be googled.
Well, i have some Apple In-Ear Headphones, but nor the Microphone to the Remote works correctly. The Microphone does not work at all, phone does not recieve any signalling from the headphone, the only thing is pressing middle-button produces a short circuit detected by the phone. Remote does not work correctly, middle-button does nothing at all and + and - buttons sort of double presses-hold the call button, so in some apps you can change tracks. In PowerAmp you can change to next track by pressing + or - button. In stock music player, pressing those just toggles play/pause and fire the music app.
I readed a lot about this and its something to do with the circuitery inside the remote, made to work on iPhones and iPods and not well understood by android phones. About the mic, my theory is that it does not work because of the resistance of the microphone inside, checked connections and should work, also tried with differents headphones w/mic and they worked....
definitly you should try them before, if you're planning getting those, maybe you're lucky and mic works like arvs0z and use "Headset Button Control" App to fix the issue about controls.
EDIT: Got them working almost flawlessly
Removing some resistors from the remote, i got the center button and microphone working, the only problem is that the microphone has very low imput gain, its almost unusable, got to get it VERY close to the mouth to get a very soft signal in phone. BTW the center button works almost prefectly, but + and - dont work at all.
arvs0z said:
I've tried them and yes the earphones and mic work flawlessly.
The buttons however are somewhat erratic. During a call, it sometimes work. But when I'm not on a call, it never worked.
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really how its possible I tried but mic is not working, somebody here said that due to some resister inside the mic so its work only with certain model and iphone only
Urvish
jollyb said:
I suggest you try the P series of Meelectronics headphones. I use Meelectronics M9 and the quality for the price is awesome. I ordered the M9P (P is at the end of every model that has microfone), can't wait to try it out.
On their website it says that many Android phones are supported (Defy is supported).
Phone Version Device Compatibility (designated as the P version)
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hey, and what you think about these Melectronics M9P? It is a good choice i think and i might also get one of these for myself!
Maybe of topic, but I used a pals Blackberry headset for couple of days and earphones and mic worked flawlessly. no music controls only the answer call button though.
your_login said:
hey, and what you think about these Melectronics M9P? It is a good choice i think and i might also get one of these for myself!
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Using the m9p and i'm very satisfied. Defy & m9p, perfect match. Music quality is awesome, switching songs, answering calls without a problem...
using apple headset too! works perfectly
lmxf said:
using apple headset too! works perfectly
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How did you get this working?
I tried my Samsung Galaxy S headphones in the Defy but they do not fit. I have Apple Iphone headphones (the one with a volume control and mic) and these work fine for music but I do not have music controls or MIC.
Anybody know where I can get stock defy earphones?
I really like them . But the left earpiece is broken
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I read lot of posts about Apple headsets, buts i can't find answer.
I have iPhone compatibble Logitech Ultimae Ears earphones with mic and three buttons like this:
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Earphones works, but microphone and buttons don't work (yes, i read threads about it) - i look headset have 4-pole JACK, but when connector is pluged in phone i can see last pole of JACK:
My question: my Defy have only stereo (3-pole) jack, or why i can't insert conector completly?
Thanks 4 answers.
sorry for my english
Defy has a 4 pole jack and that's exactly how my headphones' jack looks like (it's because of the jack position).
Male_zvire said:
I read lot of posts about Apple headsets, buts i can't find answer.
I have iPhone compatibble Logitech Ultimae Ears earphones with mic and three buttons
Earphones works, but microphone and buttons don't work (yes, i read threads about it)
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What version of UE headphones do you have? Did you ever get the microphone to work?
Hi there,
I'm trying to build a fully functional android gameboy phone
There is a motorola flipout inside with android 2.1.
I choose this phone because its small enough to fit the gameboy and i bought it for only 80 euro's (105 dollar).
I'm trying to make it as functionall as possible
UPDATE: 12/10/2013 Back in action
Sorry i didn't work on the project for a long time becouse i burned the motherboard from the motorola flipout.
I bought a new soldering iron with temputare control.
And use Kynar wire and thin soldering becouse everything is verry thiny .
And ofcourse a new motorola flipout phone and btw sorry for the bad english.
If you guys can help me sort out the Keyboard software problem my phone would be 100% functional.
I can already make calls and use the onscreen keyboard.
Also the microphone is working its located at the speaker hole from the gameboy.
I only tested Nes and a Gb emulator and it works quite well on the low spec device.
UPDATE: 12/10/2013
small video demonstration (testing the connections)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPl5Nv8Amz0&feature=share&list=UU_WEZaMoLECJn6-VJDEK0lw
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UPDATE 12/10/2013
Already done:
- Dremel the Gameboy casing for more space
- Remove keyboard buttons on motorola flipout
- Solder wires on motorola flipout keyboard
- Cut pcb gameboy buttons and solder wires
- Solder wires on lock button
- Solder wires on jack plug
- On screen keyboard while hardware keyboard is open
To do list:
- Locksreen button holder
- Jack plug holder
- External battery
- Micro usb charger port
- Camera Hole
- Paint the casing
Problems:
The Hardware keyboard is open so everytime when you push the gameboy buttons.
When the phone screen is off it will putt the screen on again.
I have to find a way to only disable the hardware keys when the screen is off.
And that you have to use the lockscreen button to unlock.
Does anyone have a idea to do that in Android?
Im not a programmer
What kind of Motorola flip out is it? Could you include model number and possibly some pictures of the phone's board? Great concept btw, I've been thinking of the same thing but with a classic NES controller, using my old Motorola W490...
Sent from XDA app on my ICS powered G2 ( Andromadus a10)
Haha you gotta love Nintendo
Its a motorola MB511 Flipout Qwertz
Android 2.1
First i couldnt use the phone to call when it was closed.
Then i used the app Fullscreen Caller ID and i could use the phone to call when its closed .
With fully functional front and backspeaker but the mic is underneath the display when its closed.
Open:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/img20120203132813.jpg/
Closed:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/521/img20120203132824.jpg/
The other side can hear me but when its in a Gameboy you cant hear me anymore.
For the front and back speaker i can drill holes as if the motorola was made 4 it .
But i need to extend my microphone and i was thinking about plugging in a microphone in the 3,5mm jackplugg.
But doesnt that take away the function of the front and back speaker becouse it thinks its a headset.
Why not cram a headset inside it?
I dont have enough space for it Only 4 the mic.
If i lower down the display it would look ridiculous.
So is there anyway to connect a microphone and still use the front and backspeaker?
Extending the microphone on the motherboard is my last option XD.
Mobile phones are fragile as hell and there is no such thing as a repair tutorial 4 the flipout.
So opening the motorola is verry risky for me
Props to you, good sir. I honestly don't know anything about what you are attempting to do with the microphone, but I really hope someone helps you. That is a brilliant idea. May I make a suggestion, though?
In the pic you showed, it looks like you are going to have just empty space in the lower part of the Gameboy. If you weren't going to already, you may want to add some filler in there, just to balance the thing out, if only to make the Gameboy not so top-heavy.
Are you going to make a charging porthole for the Gameboy, so that you can leave it in, even when charging?
lightningdude said:
Props to you, good sir. I honestly don't know anything about what you are attempting to do with the microphone, but I really hope someone helps you. That is a brilliant idea. May I make a suggestion, though?
In the pic you showed, it looks like you are going to have just empty space in the lower part of the Gameboy. If you weren't going to already, you may want to add some filler in there, just to balance the thing out, if only to make the Gameboy not so top-heavy.
Are you going to make a charging porthole for the Gameboy, so that you can leave it in, even when charging?
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There is gonna be some extra juice in the lower part of the gameboy
So i'm not that worried about the balance thing .
And yep i'm thinking about using the original porthole 4 charging
I took the motorola flipout apart
The good news is i can solder the buttons to the phone easily
My first plan was to solder the buttons to a bleutooth keyboard
Also the phone thinks the keyboard is open even when its closed
I have to do this because i cant call without the keyboard opened.
Now my only problem with the phone is how to extend the microphone???
I cant solder the microphone loose i geuss??
I made some pictures of the inside of the motorola flipout maybe somebody can suggest something???
awesome!
Why can't you drills holes on the gameboy plastic for the mic??
Do you have an electronic board on the lower part of the gameboy, on witch buttons interacts?
Because the best solution would be to have the motorola open inside the gameboy casing. With or without the motorola casing. If you take of the motorola casing plastic you could put the electronic board (with the battery) on top of the buttons and the drills a hole for the mic...
Yes, the second pic with the arrows should be the mic. You could get, or fashion, a piece that that goes over the mic to face it away from the rest of the device. Then have a tube (air tubing?) To string it where you need it. (Remember some sort of dust screen for the mic port)
bedwa said:
Yes, the second pic with the arrows should be the mic. You could get, or fashion, a piece that that goes over the mic to face it away from the rest of the device. Then have a tube (air tubing?) To string it where you need it. (Remember some sort of dust screen for the mic port)
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+1 for a tube!!
I would suggest a wired mono headset so you can place a microphone at the bottom and an earpeice at the top. sorry if this has been mentioned already. I read only to about halfway down.
Fantastic idea!
Just a little idea- why dont you get a set of headphones with a microphone built in (wired hands free kit) mount the mic where ever you need, chop the headphones off and run a mono speaker where the stock speaker used to be?
If you wanted to get super awesome, why not hook the volume control wheel into the wire after the mic but before the speaker, and run a dual 3mm headphone jack, so you could mute the speaker, and plug normal headphones in if you ever wanted to, and still have an external microphone in there? (obviously the dual jack would have to support the microphone connection too, but you could always fabricate this yourself if you knew how? (I dont, just an idea) )
Definitely watching this thread though, I'd love to do this with an old gaming console and my phone somehow.
ratykat
For OP.
Have you posted this on a Nintendo forum on the nintendo website. You could have some brilliant ideas come from there too. I am sure someone with a tech mind for modding could help you there.
YES YOU CAN!
IPHONE HEADPHONES WITH MIC?
also go to walmart and find a cheap headset
or dollar tree
or if funds are no issue, find an old Nintendo DS,DSI,DS lite
CHEERS N GOOD LUCK!
tried this before and sold it for 340 on ebay =) but i had the Pikachu Version!
and the Clear Purple
also if i can be any help PM me, and we will go from there
Nice work man!keep on
I want that yellowboy shell.
So far this is the most awesome project I've ever seen on XDA!
The Microphone wouldnt be a problem but there is little space 4 a earpiece if i would use a headset.
I cant use the headset and earpiece on the phone @ the same time .
The easiest thing would be if there is some kind of app to use only the microphone on a headset and still use the earpiece of the motorola.
Is there somebody that knows a app that can direct sound both on the phone and headset????
Oh and yes i have a electronic board on the lower part of the gameboy on witch buttons interacts
I'l make some pictures when i am finished soldering
bedwa said:
Yes, the second pic with the arrows should be the mic. You could get, or fashion, a piece that that goes over the mic to face it away from the rest of the device. Then have a tube (air tubing?) To string it where you need it. (Remember some sort of dust screen for the mic port)
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haha +1 again for the tubing i cant use the tube becouse of the electronic part of the gameboy buttons.
But your tubing gave me a idea to use tubing to direct sound between the tight space between the screen and phone from the earpiece of a headset.
If I was you I would try and contact Ben Heck for some ideas. Google it and you'll see who he is and what he does.
Eonon GA-8173 for (2004-2008) Ford F-150
Android 7.1.2
Model: PX3 (1024x600 O)
MCU: MTCD_WWW_V2.59_1
CPU: RK3188 A9 Quad Core
Memory: Samsung 2Gig
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The Good: Eonon shipped it to me quickly (3 days)! Unit was new and all parts were in the box. Good looking unit, the screen is very nice, with enough brightness to see it clearly during the day. Colors are not over or under saturated. Graphics are sharp and screen has good uniformity. The outer controls work and are tight fitting, no loose knobs. The DVD works good, didn't test on the road yet for skipping. Plug-n-play wiring harness with CANBUS, (although my truck doesn't have steering wheel controls, so I eliminated it).
The Bad: The Eonon firmware was trying to cook the radio, within a few minutes the heatsink on the back was very hot and the smell it was putting of was bad. I've had this happen to cellphones before when a developer would use kernal that either was way overclocked or it just wasn't properly suited to my phone. The Eonon firmware was nice as far as UI's go, but not cutting edge. And had a few problems like the WIFI constantly disconnecting. I couldn't get a quick response from Eonon on Facebook because it was the weekend, so I downloaded another firmware which was Android 7.1.2 (sorry forget the name of the developer) everything worked and it was nice but was using the old Launcher from the Android 6 units. Downloaded Malaysk ROM and installed. Haven't customized it to my liking yet. Radio, Media Player, Music, bluetooth, and WiFi all work. Still need to put it through it's paces.
The Ugly: The sound, flat frequency response. Nothing I have done with the stock EQ helps this unit sound good. No crisp highs and no punchy lows. My old Eonon G2104 WinCE unit puts this thing to shame. The G2104 had an excellent DAC and amp. Apparently Eonon either skimped on this unit or their Firmware did some damage to the unit. Whenever bass comes through the speakers it has a background buzz like my speakers are blown. I believe they either used a cheap DAC or cheap Capacitors in the amp. I may buy two 2 Channel amps and use the Pre-Amp outs to see if it solves my sound problem. It's a shame that a unit with such potential has let me down after I got such excellent service from the WinCE unit. Does anyone know if the PX5 units have made any improvement to audio quality?
Lastly, for any of you guys that have a Android unit with the 90 degree GPS plug. My unit suddenly started buzzing, I finally tracked it down to that plug. There is a little threaded cap in the back of the GPS plug. It allows the antenna lead to be soldered onto the center probe. What happens when the GPS plug is attached to the radio tightly, that probe pushes back into the plug just enough to touch that rear cap causing it to ground out. I simply put a small piece of plastic under that cap to prevent it from grounding. Buzzing gone.
If this unit cannot be salvaged I may end up going back to a WinCE unit, Soundstream has a dual screen unit that has caught my eye. Or I may go with the Android Tablet setup. (But with that setup, I loose backup camera and over-the-air local radio) Decisions, decisions?
So I decided to void my warranty to give you guys a peak inside this HU. Found a piece of loose strand wire laying on the circuit board, that's never a good thing. It's a miracle the thing didn't short out the mainboard or the MCU. Here are pics for you technical guys to get an idea the chips they use in these these android HUs. Enjoy!
Realtek DSP (I think)
Now to cool the MCU since it has no heat sink.
This should cool the little bastard! :laugh:
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Just kidding, this is a bit more realistic. I've been waiting years to find a use for this ugly green heat sink. Glued on with 2 ton strength epoxy.
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Now lets hope it works!
Review of the VRN-DD7HB (Soundstream dual screen HU)
Hi... I have the dual screen Soundstream head unit. I have had it for a couple months. I don't like it anymore. The home screen is plain. You can change the color scheme to monochromatic but that's it. secondly if you have it connected via Bluetooth to a phone. it automatically goes straight to the phone app. Manually tapping the home button goes to the home button, but times out to the last "app" used.
The phone app is horrible. recent calls shows random numbers. even numbers I have never called show up on it. Recent calls made doesn't show up. The contact list should at least be in alphabetical order. but nope... random numbers. even numbers that aren't in my phone like telemarketers show up. the dialer is just numbers, so you either have to scan through your contacts (and pay attention to it since its not in any specific order) or know the number by heart. Kind of defeats the purpose of keeping your attention on the road. Calls are decent, average, you can hear a person if there is a cracked window but you can also hear the wind.
The GPS I never use. The connection keeps getting lost, and the system likes to let you know. so I live in the suburbs of LA, not a lot of tall buildings, but for some reason, every 2-3 minutes, my music turns down. "GPS signal lost" and music turns up. then again, and again, and again. so now I just turned off all the alerts. so... maybe I don't have the antenna in a bad place, It is under the Gauge cluster plastic cover, I verified the connection to the HU to be tight. (plus no traffic updates, or re-routing, or proper ETA even thought it tracks your speed and lets you know if you are speeding.) GPS speed sense is OK, the speeding warning is adjustable via percentage.
Mobile link works great... correction... worked great. since the Android 8.0 update, it hasn't been working. the website only has a 7.0 update. I will install that after this "review" the MHL mobile link utilizes both Bluetooth connection and USB connection to your phone to stream. simple videos have a small skip. Busy videos are practically just blurs. it would help a lot if they can sell a USB 3.0 upgrade for it.
Sound/equalizer: it was what evs. it has some good ideas, pretty in depth controls. but for something that looks that good, it doesn't control much. Plus... listening via bluetooth... you only have a separate 10 point "media" volume control. As opposed to the regular 25 point radio volume control. meaning you can have a conversation at level 9 but you can't hear yourself think at level 10.
It was a great idea. But the software just crippled it. what it could have been and what it actually is. 2 completely different things. Lastly... The most important gripe. They show the display at shows either at an angle close to or at 30 degrees or straight. but if your head unit is above all the console controls. when the second screen is out you cannot see the bottom screen. it does have tilt control... but it goes from the current angle... and adds an extra 30-40 degrees more since it ends up trying to angle to you as if the HU was placed on the floor. adjusting the bottom screen to max tilt just puts it 15 degrees before parallel to the floor. which is pointless. so now I don't even use the second screen. if the radio space is at the top of the dash, then the HU needs to be straight (they don't tell you this). I was able to shave my dash to allow it to straighten a bit... but still doesn't work well for my car and now is not flush to my dash. They should have added a tiltable holder.
PS manual is horrible. it seems like it was written by a Chinese person who barely knows English, plus diagrams are incomplete. there are 20 connections in the harness, and only 15 described in the manual because the page ended.
I have been looking to upgrade this HU's OS to an android system. but due to the fact that its not 1 OS but 1 OS per screen that shares hardware. I don't think anyone can actually make a ROM for this. I hope someone does tho because I am starting to hate this HU.
I just installed an ATOTO A6Y2721PRB-G, just released on Amazon. I've been using a 2017 model ATOTO A6Y2721P head unit since December, and was pretty happy with. It had a few issues, some addressed with firmware updates, some just due to the design, but for the most part, it was a solid unit considering the sub-$200 I paid for it.
But like any good XDA member, I'm a gadget junkie, so when ATOTO released their new 2018 model, with gesture controls, I had to feed the monkey.
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Comparing it to the 2017 model, here's a few things of note:
Display: New model has a nice, bright, high contrast IPS display, old model had an equally bright TFT display, but colors were more washed-out, and not nearly as much contrast. There's also a LOT less parallax with the new unit, as the touch layer is much closer to the display. The display improvements alone made me feel like the upgrade was worth it.
Controls: My old unit was a touch-only display, something I regretted even with steering wheel controls. The new A6Y has 6 clicky, tactile physical buttons on the bottom, along with support for steering wheel controls, and gesture controls (more on this below).
Audio: The new unit is touted as having a newer, higher output, higher quality Toshiba preamp, and I believe them, SQ is improved to my ears. Still lacking in the adjustability department, it has the same EQ presets, same limited subwoofer control, loudness, etc as the old unit. Would really like to see crossover adjustments and better sub control, at the very least.
Firmware: The new unit has the latest 9.4.1 AICE, which fixes one of my major issues with the old unit, the FM radio firing up at high volume when the vehicle was started. This firmware is available for the older A6 models too, but you have to do some digging to find it, it doesn't auto-update.
Performance: The A6Y is using the same quad-core MediaTek SoC as the older units, and still comes with 2Gb RAM/32Gb storage. But they've tweaked something on the board, or are using faster RAM, because the new unit does app installs much faster, and seems more responsive when multi-tasking. On the old unit, after downloading, it could take several minutes to finish installing a larger app or update (like Maps or Waze), now it's a matter of seconds.
WiFI: WiFi performance is hugely improved in the new unit, much stronger signal from my home router in my usual parking place. This could be the new "high performance" antenna they include, or it could just be a better radio. Where I used to get about 10-20mbps at best (often lower than that) in my driveway with the same antenna mounting location I now see in excess of 50mbps. They're also using a new radio that supports both 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz bands, which is nice.
Bluetooth: Unit still has two Bluetooth radios, one for phone pairing and music streaming, the other for data (OBD2, TPMS, tethering, etc). But the main Bluetooth radio is now BT 5.0 with aptX support.
Front panel: Besides having physical buttons, the A6Y comes with a front-panel AUX input, an easier to access microSD card slot, and in the case of the non-gesture model, a front panel USB A connector (for a total of 4 USB ports)
Gesture controls: These actually work! No sh*t. They are responsive and can be toggled on and off individually, or totally disabled, and each gesture can be mapped to a wide range of things, from media controls to launching apps to adjusting brightness or changing EQ presets. Some of the gestures are a bit sensitive and can be trigger by things like moving your hand from the shifter to the wheel...I simply disabled the two worst offenders (hand down, hand up), and use the twirl clockwise/counterclockwise for volume up and down, the palm push/pull for track forward/back, and the triple-wave for pause/play. They're actually useful (even with SWC) addictive, and a great party trick.
Rear Panel: Layout is different, and better IMHO, and the new unit uses quality, color-coded quick-connectors instead of threaded coax connectors for WiFi and Bluetooth antenna, which is a nice touch.
Chassis: The new unit is over an inch shorter front-to-back, which is gonna make mounting a lot easier. I didn't have to fight to make room inside my dash for my CANBUS and SWC adapters and the various cables and wires coming out of the back of the unit like I did with the old unit. The face dimensions are also a perfect fit for most US double-DIN mounting kits, and still comes with a trim ring to help with the larger Euro-style double-DIN openings.
Wiring: This one almost cost me my new unit, amp and speakers. Both units use the same connector type, but the pin-out is totally different on each, so you can't simply use the old harness with the new unit, or you'll be feeding 12V to things that don't want 12V! They do have a yellow warning label on top of the chassis, but I totally missed it until seconds before I was going to plug it in to the old harness.
All in all, I'm pretty impressed with the progress ATOTO made with the new unit. Build quality is good, packaging is good, features are solid, pricing is reasonable, support is responsive as could be expected, and the display is extremely nice now.
Still needs a better SoC, a more recent version of Android (it uses 6.0), and their default apps need a lot of aesthetic and usability work. Even with another launcher, you're still stuck with the ATOTO FM app, but since I never listen to FM radio, that tremendously ugly app and widget is a non-issue for me, but it will be for many.
Here's a long, rambling unboxing/first look at my unit, with a side-by-side comparison of the old and new units at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9ec9puE-XM&t=830s
Thanks for the review
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Thanks for sharing. Really great system. Huge improvement over A6. I would like to buy it and experience new features. Especially BT 5.0 with aptX.
Part 2 of my review, this time installed in the car, with a better demonstration of gesture controls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5XWAJzk93s
I know is a great unit but one question, how did you make the steering wheel controls to work?
Dajaka2013 said:
I know is a great unit but one question, how did you make the steering wheel controls to work?
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If your car's steering wheel controls are a simple resistance circuit (my car was in this category), then you should be able to connect your steering wheel control wires directly to the ATOTO harness. If you are trying to get this working with ATOTO, I can help if your car is like mine. But if your car is not simple resistance, then you will need to buy and external adapter (PAC SW1-RC is a common one). Can you give more details about what problems you have encountered?
Hey Croak. I'm having an issue to where the EQ changes preset modes on its own (i.e. from classical to rock, etc.). Any suggestions? This is very frustrating, to say the least!
Firmware 9.5.1
For anyone having problems to register on the support.myatoto.com site to download the current firmware:
I have contacted them and got a dropbox-link with the current update.zip from 23.04.2019.
Hi, my atoto a6 pro no longer lets me go into settings it crashes, I did a reset and nothing, I did a firmware update and nothing, I disconnected the battery for a few minutes and nothing, how can I fix it? Help me.....