Has anyone ever thought about whether it would be possible to increase the ram/upgrade memory in a G1. As outlandish as this might sound.. similar things have been done for a variety of devices.... if possible it would probably be the number one speed booster out there? or are there certain limitations out there that would make that impossible... Anyone ever opened up a G1?
This might be what you are looking for
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566410
Theres some ram on the g1 that isnt being utilized by default.. this hack, for specific roms, can push the g1 to use more of the rom that it initially comes with. as far as a PHYSICAL upgrade im not too sure how that would work out.. never opened a g1, due to warranty void
This does happen a lot nowadays. Original Xbox's (before v1.6) had extra 'spaces' for RAM chips.
Simple to do, if you can find the right RAM for your device, which was hard enough for the Xbox until a German manufacturer was found.
http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Upgrading_Xbox_RAM_HOWTO
Edit: Also remember, this only works if there is an extra 'space,' piggybacking does not work 99% of the time (and I doubt there would be enough space within the housing...)
so the question would be is there anyway to open the g1 remove a ram chip and solder on a higher capacity one.... I mean wouldnt that be awesome...
alec.baldwin said:
so the question would be is there anyway to open the g1 remove a ram chip and solder on a higher capacity one.... I mean wouldnt that be awesome...
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no it has to be the same type maybe hero/magic ram would work who knows
alec.baldwin said:
so the question would be is there anyway to open the g1 remove a ram chip and solder on a higher capacity one.... I mean wouldnt that be awesome...
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I was actually referring to how the Xbox got more RAM, by adding ANOTHER RAM chip. Possibly higher capacity would work, but I don't know **** about drivers or software compatability blahblahblah. I'm only good for actually putting it together not knowing how it works :3
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I was actually referring to how the Xbox got more RAM, by adding ANOTHER RAM chip. Possibly higher capacity would work, but I don't know **** about drivers or software compatability blahblahblah. I'm only good for actually putting it together not knowing how it works :3
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There is nowhere to put it.
Ram and rom come integrated on the same chip: samsung k522f1gacm-a060
You need to find a compatible chip (as mentioned, the one from magic or hero *might* be compatible), you also need to program it with something... which you may need to hack together since there is no such thing as a dream with 256MB ram, etc.
hmmm....ok... so not possible to replace the chip flash a custom rom? Maybe we can have some bricked g1's donated to see what can be done...
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hmmm....ok... so not possible to replace the chip flash a custom rom? Maybe we can have some bricked g1's donated to see what can be done...
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Good idea
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hmmm....ok... so not possible to replace the chip flash a custom rom? Maybe we can have some bricked g1's donated to see what can be done...
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I never said it wasn't possible. I simply said that what is there must necessarily COME OFF in order to put another one in its place.
And yes, you most definitely CAN program these chips outside the board, as long as you have the right equipment to do so, but the big question is to "program it with WHAT?".
Well according to this video our phone uses standard DDR ram made by Samsung. So I belive this is very possible.
Anyone wanna donate a bricked phone for tinkering hehe.
http://pockethacks.com/htc-g1-disassembly/
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Well according to this video our phone uses standard DDR ram made by Samsung. So I belive this is very possible.
Anyone wanna donate a bricked phone for tinkering hehe.
http://pockethacks.com/htc-g1-disassembly/
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As lbcoder has stated, finding a compatible chip isn't the problem.. it's a matter of what do you program onto the chip? Simply replacing the current chip with a blank one wouldn't do anything.
WELL, I don't know if this will work but I tune cars, where you use a eeprom reader get a dump off the old chip into a hex editor and then just burn it onto a new chip with changes made and just stick the new chip with new maps on it.
Would it be possible to do something like this with this chip? Just do a complete dump of one to another?
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WELL, I don't know if this will work but I tune cars, where you use a eeprom reader get a dump off the old chip into a hex editor and then just burn it onto a new chip with changes made and just stick the new chip with new maps on it.
Would it be possible to do something like this with this chip? Just do a complete dump of one to another?
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Yea thats the way it would be done. You'd have to hex-edit the dumped rom to address the right amount of memory for the new chip and it should work. I'm certainly not going to be trying this myself but it would be an interesting experiment.
Anyone know someone who has the smarts to do that... find me someone and I'll find you a few bricked g1s ...probably the only way to get them unbricked anyway.... or I have a g1 here whose wifi does not work. I bet you there are a ton of g1s out there where this or that does not work but that would be fully suited for something like that.
Anyway lets find a genius or a few that are brave enough to go where no one has gone before... I'd be pretty certain, that twice or four times the Ram would be a pretty dramatic experience.... imagine the possibilities with ram discs.... etc...
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Anyone know someone who has the smarts to do that... find me someone and I'll find you a few bricked g1s ...probably the only way to get them unbricked anyway.... or I have a g1 here whose wifi does not work. I bet you there are a ton of g1s out there where this or that does not work but that would be fully suited for something like that.
Anyway lets find a genius or a few that are brave enough to go where no one has gone before... I'd be pretty certain, that twice or four times the Ram would be a pretty dramatic experience.... imagine the possibilities with ram discs.... etc...
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Believe it or not guys, my wife can do this. LOL. (I did marry the perfect woman, she also fixes my cars, folds the laundry and gives the best blowjob on earth). I digress <grin>.
If someone wants to donate a couple of bricked phones, I can get the chips swapped out. The issue of hex editing doesn't scare me at all I've been doing that for years, but finding the right addresses could be interesting. I'd probably need help with that as it is a lot different then bipassing a cd check on a video game
i work with embedded devices and here are my 2c about this, but take this lightly, I havent looked at how the G1 is setup on a board yet, nor do I know what hardware it is running.
if there is external ram, then perhaps it is a matter of swapping out the chips, given that they have the same pinout/packaging, etc.. if that was the case, you wouldnt get even another bit of more addressing because to get another bit, another wire is required to address it.
if the ram is internal on the microcontroller, then it would need to be swapped out, and good luck desoldering/soldering a BGA chip by hand. if you manage to find a new MCU with more internal ram to put on, the pinouts would have to be identical or else things might not work. additionally, you would need to have some method to kind of bootstrap the MCU because they typically come blank from the manufacturer.
Ok this is getting interesting... the easiest way to find out is probably contact HTC.. does anyone know someone, or is there a way to contact an engineer... or can anyone look up the specs? If it is using standard ddram by Samsung.. there might be a possibility.
Let me see what I can find for bricked G1's than we might have redir's wife take a look at it.. or John5788, if you'd volunteer. PM me your contact info...
We could just check the service manual, no?
edit: i tried to upload it, but the upload script here blows..
mediafire to the rescue! [download service manual here]
i just looked through the service manual, nothing specific about the ram/mcu locations. everything is just located on the mainboard without any sort of diagram. the people that look at the service manual dont need to know the device at that sort of hardware level.
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Question...
I have 128MB RAM in my US T-Mobile with the driver for using the upper 64M. If I had the guys at T2T swap my 32MB ROM for a 48MB ROM similar to what the older Ipaq's were using, could I use all of it with the kitchen? Would it be accessible by the OS?
I'd like to squeeze Fonix and Pocket Informant into ROM and there's just not enough room today.
Just a thought...
Hi,
I cant answer that question but could I ask you one?
Whats the driver to use the upper 64mb for RAM?
thanks.
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Question...
I have 128MB RAM in my US T-Mobile with the driver for using the upper 64M. If I had the guys at T2T swap my 32MB ROM for a 48MB ROM similar to what the older Ipaq's were using, could I use all of it with the kitchen? Would it be accessible by the OS?
I'd like to squeeze Fonix and Pocket Informant into ROM and there's just not enough room today.
Just a thought...
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I've just spoken with the folks at PPCTechs and they do not offer ROM memory updrades.
right........
... trys to siphon the information from him telepathically
Nope? I think you?ll have to tell me
Nossie said:
Hi,
I cant answer that question but could I ask you one?
Whats the driver to use the upper 64mb for RAM?
thanks.
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The guys at http://www.pocketpctechs.com/ make a driver for it. They only sell it with the purchase of the memory upgrade and service.
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I've just spoken with the folks at PPCTechs and they do not offer ROM memory updrades.
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Ok, let's say I have a soldering iron and an old Ipaq that I could steal the ROM from and put in the HTC. Any idea if we could use the extra memory for stuffing applications in using the kitchen :?:
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Ok, let's say I have a soldering iron and an old Ipaq that I could steal the ROM from and put in the HTC. Any idea if we could use the extra memory for stuffing applications in using the kitchen :?:
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Ok, first off, have you seen the inside of your XDA?
Second, unless you are good with multi-layered pc-boards and do not get anything else on and in the board hot, than you may (note may) be able to pull off the chip swap. Mind you not damaging any of the shileding and compromising the frequincy levels.
Third, are you really sure you want to risk your XDA by soldering ROMs that may not be compatible with the circuit in the XDA?
Hmmm
The point isn't if I can get the 48 MB ROM in the device :roll: , my question is specifically can I use it if I do? If we tweaked a kitchen to go above the 32MB current limit, will the XDA have any issues reading the additional ROM :?:
-Rich
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The point isn't if I can get the 48 MB ROM in the device :roll: , my question is specifically can I use it if I do? If we tweaked a kitchen to go above the 32MB current limit, will the XDA have any issues reading the additional ROM :?:
-Rich
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Read my above reply very carefully. It is very specific on the even if you could get it in the device that it may not work with the circutry in the XDA. Most manufacturers use ROMS in a device like this that are specific in capibilities and than design the rest of the circut around that. Now this doesn't mean the chips won't line up pin for pin, but even if they do you have to make sure the internal functions of those chips match the same pin configuration as the previous chips pin configuration. As in you may have 48mb ROM chips that have a Positive Power feed where it needs a ground for the XDA's Circuit. This plugging the chip in means dead both. Even if it is a match, the XDA may be limited to seeing only 32mb ROM as a physical barrier and anything more will produce an error in the unit.
IF you do more research in electrical design you can find this out and I DO recommend it than you can analyze the circut yourself and determine if it can handle it or not. Also, you need to "Cold" solder the chips. A soldering iron will destroy the board. At the least damage it as it was designed heat sinsitive.
Hello everyone
Has anyone managed to do this?
I have bent and snapped my USB socket and I want to try to fix it.
I have looked at Asukals web site but I cannot find the bit where he takes apart an ameo!
Anyone able to help?
That's because it's just pictures of PCB/HDs. No actual shots of how it all comes apart and fits together, sadly.
I hope someone gets the service manual
I know it's just a matter of time before I tear my X7500 apart, since I've torn apart and repaired my XDAII and Universal multiple times. I can almost take the Universal apart in my sleep. What made this all possible, though was having access to the factory service manual on this site. So I hope someone will be able to post one for Athena.
When you manage to open it, could you please see if you could replace the MD with a CFII card and if it would work?
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When you manage to open it, could you please see if you could replace the MD with a CFII card and if it would work?
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Apparently not eaglesteve. I recall reading about this in the upgrade section of the Athena...yep just found it:
Originally Posted by lbarouf
Hitachi isn't the problem... the problem is the darn CE-ATA interface I didn't notice. Intel is heading the new standard, and the founding member? Hitachi. So far, no other drives then Hitachi's 3K8. Well, they have 2/4/6/8 Gb in sizes, nothing else. 10Gb was suppose to exist, but never saw light. Tough luck for now. Until 20Gb transflash sees light, no expansion.
Something must give sooner or later, but if it's too far down the road, we'll all probably be upgrading our devices to the next best thing.....Mobile Chameleon - WM + VistaXP + Dual Core Monahan CPU's for Mobile devices with a NVidia GoForce 10000 GPU and 100GB HDD & 4GB RAM!! ROFL.
When? Prototype in about 12 months time..ha ha.
Hello,
have you saw this pictures ?
http://amd.co.at/anti/?pocket/pics/Ameo/intern_pics/
my nice sites
regards
I'm looking for damaged Heralds/Wings to experiment on. Cracked screens, etc. Anything that can't be use anymore, even if it's bricked. There's a lot of things I want to play with but I don't want to damage perfectly usable phones with.
This is for people who are going to be throwing away their phones, not for people who are looking for a hope that I will fix it.
The reason this is in the development forum is that this will be so that I can further develop theories.
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I'm looking for damaged Heralds/Wings to experiment on. Cracked screens, etc. Anything that can't be use anymore, even if it's bricked. There's a lot of things I want to play with but I don't want to damage perfectly usable phones with.
This is for people who are going to be throwing away their phones, not for people who are looking for a hope that I will fix it.
The reason this is in the development forum is that this will be so that I can further develop theories.
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what exactly are u going to do with them
i am wondering the same thing.
i think i might know a guy that didnt take care of his wing.
last time i saw it, i prayed to god. lol.
Open it to find out what kind of memory chips it has.
Use this information to know if the storage and extrom are stored within the same DOC chip and whether I'll be able to reformat it and merge the two for more storage space.
Work on a WM Standard ROM.
Etc. Etc.
I just need one that can at least boot, even if you can't make calls with it.
ivanmmj said:
Open it to find out what kind of memory chips it has.
Use this information to know if the storage and extrom are stored within the same DOC chip and whether I'll be able to reformat it and merge the two for more storage space.
Work on a WM Standard ROM.
Etc. Etc.
I just need one that can at least boot, even if you can't make calls with it.
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hmmm...hey i wanted to make a WM 6.1 Standard rom...i guess u could do it.
But that will be crazy if you could reformat the memory chips
N3xt2N0N3 said:
hmmm...hey i wanted to make a WM 6.1 Standard rom...i guess u could do it.
But that will be crazy if you could reformat the memory chips
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Don't worry. You can work on the Standard ROM. My big thing is the memory chip. The Standard ROM thing I added just to have something other than just ONE item in the list. lol
damn next thing you know we're gonna have(by some miracle) as much storage as the kaiser
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damn next thing you know we're gonna have(by some miracle) as much storage as the kaiser
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lol. I'm hoping for 80mb+ at least, though. Maybe even 90MB+...
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lol. I'm hoping for 80mb+ at least, though. Maybe even 90MB+...
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damn.
thats intense.
but wouldnt that mean that we ALL open are phones and do whatever youre gonna do?
standard? everybody knows that smartphones where it's at *smirk*
i think any storage expansion is going to be software based, although of the "uber-1337 hax0r" type.
still shuddering after n00bspeak. woops there i go again.
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damn.
thats intense.
but wouldnt that mean that we ALL open are phones and do whatever youre gonna do?
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No, like fzzyrn mentioned, it would be software based. I just need to open a phone up to see what kind of memory flash chips are inside so I know how it's setup and how I can reformat it and merge the extROM with the storage.
It's a wild, stupid question but if I brought a screen for the Sensation XL, the processor from a Galaxy S II and the body (modified to be big enough) from a galaxy nexus how much work would be needed in to making this super phone?
Rip the other components from other phones.
I know that software and components would be problematic to say the least, but could it be done? Is it POSSIBLE?
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GPU, correct power stuff, all that stuff. technically you could but it's a lot more than 3 words.
Possible: Yes.
Probable: NO.
Could be the new thing in phones! like in desktops.
It would be great though!
I'm guessing you'd need to build your own drivers and kernels and all that goodstuff. I think it is possible but itd be way to much work.
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Alex530 said:
I'm guessing you'd need to build your own drivers and kernels and all that goodstuff. I think it is possible but itd be way to much work.
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Android should have a universal kernel. That would be awesome.
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Well, let's start from the beginning:
You need a SOC. I doubt you can find a SOC by itself, so you would have to take it from another phone. Another option is getting a mainboard from a device, and you can find spare mainboards.
Next, you need to do some research on how the display is connected, what parts you're going to use, if their way of connecting is supported by your mainboard, etc.
Then, you have to find a way to write something to that SOC. If you don't have a mainboard that's programmed, you'll need to make the partitions manually, which means you will need a programmer (not as in someone who can write code, but a device which can write stuff to NAND chips using JTAG or something like that) to write a NAND to that SOC's MTD.
And what you have to write to that NAND? You'll need a bootloader, so you could stick with a SOC from a HTC and use the default HBOOT, or I would prefer a clean bootloader. You could check the source code of cLK for HD2, which is a really decent bootloader.
Next up, you have to get hardware working. In other words, building a kernel. Get the Linux kernel, find all the parts for all of the hardware, and actually get it up and running. And I can tell you, this is a hell of a job. Compiling a kernel from source is easy, but implementing all of your hardware in a kernel is pretty difficult. You will have to get a barebone up and running, make it dump a log to somewhere in the RAM or NAND, read that dump out, check what it's saying, and you know where to continue. This will cost a LOT of time.
Once your kernel is running and it can echo something to the screen (which is already hard by itself), you have to build an Android image from source, which is not hard at all, and extract that image to a partition on the NAND. And then, set up the rootfs path in your kernel correctly so it knows where you put that filesystem of Android.
And then, boot it up, hope that logcat can tell you something, perhaps Android will boot, but the chance is pretty small that it will the first time you try. And when you finally get into Android, you have to get all the hardware working there again.
And then you have a working Android device, but I'm afraid you can't make this thing legal, as you need an IMEI, and as far as I know, extracting and messing with IMEI's (or ESN's as they're called in the USA I believe) is not allowed, so you do have to know something about all of that stuff to get a GSM radio up and running.
It's possible, but I suggest you start with replacing a display of an HD2 with a display from a Desire for example, try to get it working, continue replacing stuff, and you know if you're able to do this.
If you want it, you could get somewhere, but it will cost a lot of money (I think it'll cost about 600$), without knowing if it will do the trick.
Are you seriously saying "Could I ...." or you meant "Can I ....?
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Are you seriously saying "Could I ...." or you meant "Can I ....?
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Meh'
It's just words, there not going to be important in this instance.
If I were building a rocket then yes, words are important.
But I'm asking is it POSSIBLE to build a phone.
Possible... the simple way, get a working motherboard of s2 or gnote, get its display spec and wiring dia, get the display u need.. get its spec and wiring dia. Cross refer the two disp. If it match in some way, get it fixed to the board, build/get a body for the thing. Done.
Nearly impossible.. if any thing is not matching , and u fit it, well u gonna get a burned disp /board. And since u r doing some R&D, u will have to spent a lot, may be as much as for getting 2-3 top rated phones.
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good luck!! tell use when u built ur phone!
DustByte said:
good luck!! tell use when u built ur phone!
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Just a question lol! I wouldn't because of all the work involved with software and legal sh*t.
Benjamin! I thought I fired you! (Long story on WFSDev, he threw a chair at me, I became a Dalek)
It's possible, but like the others said, it would take a lot of work. You'd need your own drivers, kernels (probably ask NHB) etc. but it's possible. Check out these links:
http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html
http://www.kandroid.org/online-pdk/guide/build_system.html
http://www.android.com/developers/branding.html
http://droidgamers.com/index.php/ga...custom-android-phone-well-at-least-in-germany
I remember some other links for manufacturers on the Android website, but I couldn't find them. Good Luck!
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Benjamin! I thought I fired you! (Long story on WFSDev, he threw a chair at me, I became a Dalek)
It's possible, but like the others said, it would take a lot of work. You'd need your own drivers, kernels (probably ask NHB) etc. but it's possible. Check out these links:
http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html
http://www.kandroid.org/online-pdk/guide/build_system.html
http://www.android.com/developers/branding.html
http://droidgamers.com/index.php/ga...custom-android-phone-well-at-least-in-germany
I remember some other links for manufacturers on the Android website, but I couldn't find them. Good Luck!
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Hehe lol, nice following me up there boss man!
Probable no :-\
Wysłane z mojego GS Note ♥
well..
if you really have money you could ask some manufacturer to make a phone that suits you..
i mean, if you really have money.. xD
I'll think the closest your going to get is if you're buying one of the arm development boards. You should get android up and running but you're pretty far away from any mobile device
Some company like motorola should make a program and you choose the specs and they make it for you.
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Some company like motorola should make a program and you choose the specs and they make it for you.
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This is awful because of the licensing, test and certification requirements. Phones are only cheap because of economies of scale which you lose there. It isn't like a desktop where you can swap pieces easily. It is more akin to an even more ****ed laptop.
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And then you have a working Android device, but I'm afraid you can't make this thing legal, as you need an IMEI, and as far as I know, extracting and messing with IMEI's (or ESN's as they're called in the USA I believe) is not allowed, so you do have to know something about all of that stuff to get a GSM radio up and running.
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Just to clarify, IMEI is for GSM and ESN is for CDMA, so we actually have both in the U.S.
Say I have a MSM8926 device (Motorola XT1045) , and I succeeded swaping the original 8Gb PoP RAM IC with a 16Gb module of same technology (lpddr2 etc...), what changes in the software side (firmware, e-fuses perhaps?) need to happen? Please avoid answers prompting me to look at the SoC datasheet, I know it's all there but I don't have access to it yet (I don't have access rights to those threads yet and I just started thinking about this). Thanks!
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Say I have a MSM8926 device (Motorola XT1045) , and I succeeded swaping the original 8Gb PoP RAM IC with a 16Gb module of same technology (lpddr2 etc...), what changes in the software side (firmware, e-fuses perhaps?) need to happen? Please avoid answers prompting me to look at the SoC datasheet, I know it's all there but I don't have access to it yet (I don't have access rights to those threads yet and I just started thinking about this). Thanks!
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Okay how the hell did you solder out pop ram chip.. And more importantly how did u know u have succeeded and where in the world did u get 16 gigs of ram... I'm not accusing u but maybe ur method of doing this help us know what exactly we need to give u
jdorth
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Okay how the hell did you solder out pop ram chip.. And more importantly how did u know u have succeeded and where in the world did u get 16 gigs of ram... I'm not accusing u but maybe ur method of doing this help us know what exactly we need to give u
jdorth
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16Gb (gigabits, or in this case 2 Gigabytes) on a 168-FBGA 12x12 PoP can be easily sourced from china, one good example is K4PAG304EQ-AGC2. About the PoP rework, if you have experience and time to build a jig then with the right tools it's perfectly doable. Given the current state of the smartphone market this is an effort that is worth my time. Like I said, I would appreciate very much any help on the soft/firmware side.
Okay okay.. Heard u loud and clear and would like to point u to go on the official motor thread. Not to mention cheers on doing that u literally made phones modular
Starting points
1)find custom kernels for ur phone. There is Dev support
2)ask the dev or make ur own tweak to modify the kernel to check for 2 gigs of ram (sorry for reading gigabyte instead of gigabit)
3)once kernel is finished. Grab a fairly polished rom
I'm really sorry if all this is a Lil vague but I really haven't seen this or heard about this before . I have seen graphics card vram solders not work pretty well.. And I'm still reeling from the fact that u accomplished this. However just follow it up. Kernel which u can modify(again I'm saying that u shud modify Coz more than enuf sure that pop wasn't isn't plug and play) then any room shud plays nicely with minor tweaks which the community can take care of
Lastly.. Would like to see a video of u doing this.. Would be very educational for hardcore modders
Dude please some pictures