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Hi everybody,
I just moved from an iphone 3g (which i had jailbroken) to an incredible thanks to at&t contract finally finishing. Hv rooted the inc on my mac using the unrevoked method. Everything works fine (still have stock eclair 2.1 and sense running). Hv installed a bunch of apps from the market but hv not sideloaded anything yet or uninstalled anything (htc sense etc etc) yet. I would really appreciate some guidance from the community on the following since i am very new to the platform as a whole.
1. I dont want to lose the ability to update to the official froyo release (whenever it happens) so will I have to unroot (if thats even possible) to get the froyo update? If yes, whats the correct way so that I can bookmark that.
2. I want to be able to use the tethering without paying 20$ extra per month to VZ (in fact would probably use USB tethering to my macbook more often than wifi tethering/hotspot, but obviously I would like both! ). How should i do that? Obviously the stock app will just alert verizon, right? Is there another app that will work now that i hv rooted? Any special instructions to follow?
3. Would like to optimize the capability of the device by removing crapware and useless stuff which comes with the phone. Hv not yet even figured out what each app does yet. I will use my inc primarily for entertainment - games, social networking, browsing, streaming music, videos, google voice, true VoIP (not official VZ skype), GPS navigation, tethering (when no wifi) but will be OTA syncing my office exchange email account, contacts, calendar as well to make this a backup phone to my official bberry. Any suggestions on which apps to remove? Also how should I remove them without bricking the phone. Is there a cleaner method?
4. I actually like Sense even though it seems it uses up some memory - any way i can remove the useless parts of Sense (since I wont be using USB sync and I am sure some other stuff in sense is just bloatware) without losing the other features that look great - to be honest the phone looks too plain without sense (nexus 1 looked really naked). I would like to retain the look and feel of the sense ui.
5. How do I get swype on this? I played with it when i was shopping for android phones on the captivate (which unfortunately was on at&t) and I am amazed at how great that was! I badly badly badly badly need that!!
6. Any standard add-ons, apps which you would recommend for my intended usage?
7. Now that I am rooted which post-root apps should i install to make the inc more useful? Any obvious ones which you would recommend?
8. The people sense widget is just too much, anything a bit saner which is like a launchpad but without the screen wastage?
9. In jailbroken iphones, you could install lockinfo which was a spectacular agglomeration of all things (missed calls, voice mails waiting, email msg list, twitter feed, facebook feed, weather, calendar, tasks, sms msgs) in 1 simple scrollable screen. Anything similar in Sense/HTC widgets/App store? Just one glance would tell me everything.
Sorry, since I am new I decided to ask all questions in 1 shot. Obviously dont expect to have all questions answered by 1 person but if the devs/users can point me in the right direction, with links and some comments, I will greatly appreciate it.
Thanks and hoping to be a contributor to the android community sometime soon as I was in the iphone community until i just could not take at&t anymore.
1.yes you need to unroot to recieve otas
2.there is an app incthe market called wifi tether that is free.
3.look in the theme/app sectiom. there is a skinned version there.
4. adb in recovery os the only way to remove crapware
7-8 . there are not many apps for root users lile there was with cydia.
also, there are many widets avaliable in the android market. there is lots of good apps in the market. explore.
if you have any other questions feel free to pm me amy time.
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1.yes you need to unroot to recieve otas
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No, if you are running the stock rom ou will recieve OTAs. The OTA doesn't magically detect "this phone is rooted."
rpearl said:
No, if you are running the stock rom ou will recieve OTAs. The OTA doesn't magically detect "this phone is rooted."
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doesnt somethong change the ctacerts and otacerts?
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No. it's also not suggested and is reported to have negative side effects.
One important thing, Install Rom Manager from the market.
With this app you can do a backup of the Rom (stock sense and rooted) you're running now and install others to try, if you don't like them just restore the one you had before and done, you can as many back up as you want.
Also check in the theme section and you'll find lots of themes to make your phone look and work beautiful, this also allows you to get to recovery without having to turnoff your phone and install anything you want from the sd card.
Also, if you don't like some of the crap ware that Sense has, there's a post for removing the apps you don't want on Sense and it tell you which ones are safe to remove.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710009
Hope this helps a little.
Some apps for us the rooted...shootme or drocap to take pictures of your screens, titanium backup, wifi tether, etc.
Appreciate the help everybody! Only thing I am still seeking an answer for is swype on my inc if anybody can guide me.
Thanks
khanam said:
Appreciate the help everybody! Only thing I am still seeking an answer for is swype on my inc if anybody can guide me.
Thanks
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Here you go. I use the red skinned Swype, looks great and works great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=701198
Thanks! Just realized one more thing. I cant seem to be able to use skype over wifi only. Is this verizon's way of using up my minutes one way or another?
I know this is a pretty retarded question but I did some googleing and found nothing on the desire z about sideloading and I'm not sure if following the steps for another phone would be a good idea. I was also wondering about getting rid of the bloat ware, what kind of apps do I need to do that and do I need to sideload those apps?
This is my first android phone. My last phone was a palm pre and all their homebrew stuff was very simple and put into 1 app you can download and get everything from (apps, overclocking, themes and custom kernels all from 1 place) so this is kinda big step because it seems to involve a lot more then 2 or 3 taps on a screen.
Thanks for any help you can give a newbie!
if you search you will see some info about how to remove bloatware, but its not pretty (IMO) and I think you need to root your phone.
As for side loading, if you go to setting>applications>manage applications there is a check box that allow you to load apps from any source. Just be sure its checked. I downloaded an app (TN5250 emulator) from www.mochasoft.dk and it installed just fine.
After you downloaded it did you have to move it to the SD card? Or are you able to download right to the phone?
Edit: Also, does anyone know if you can install stock android? What benefits would you get from doing so? The only thing I would care about is not having 40 pre loaded useless app/shortcuts. A few of them are uno, tv & radio, tunes & apps, twitter, superuser, search people (i can just go into people and press the search button, what is the point of this undeletable sortcut?), peep, navigation, lets golf, learn more. This is an awesome phone but there are so many useless things added and it makes it hard to find the handful of apps that I would actually use. Some of these "apps" are just shortcuts to webpages, why do I need this and why can't they go away?!
A proud Android noob has just rooted the Tab! Now what???
Stuff I can do? Apps to install?
My main goal is to be able to install apps that I can't get through Market (my country is allowed to see only free apps, can't get the payed ones). Any tips and advices are much appreciated!
Now you should read, read threads. On everything.
"post your home screens" <--- good place to find apps and widgets
"themes, etc" <--- good place to find GUI's you like using and different launchers
"Android Dev" <--- good place for ROMs and such (also, instructions on how to flash them). BAD PLACE FOR QUESTIONS LIKE THIS
"General Chat" <--- the home for random discussions like this.
Also, different phones forums will reveal different answers to you.
Also Also, WTF did you ask this question? This isn't your first pony ride by the looks of your user information.
Boushh said:
Now you should read, read threads. On everything.
"post your home screens" <--- good place to find apps and widgets
"themes, etc" <--- good place to find GUI's you like using and different launchers
"Android Dev" <--- good place for ROMs and such (also, instructions on how to flash them). BAD PLACE FOR QUESTIONS LIKE THIS
"General Chat" <--- the home for random discussions like this.
Also, different phones forums will reveal different answers to you.
Also Also, WTF did you ask this question? This isn't your first pony ride by the looks of your user information.
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Yeah, I just figured someone would share some tips, that's all... It's not my first venture into tinkering with mobile devices, ofc, but it is my first with Android. I've gone through Windows Mobile and iPhone, so this is all new to me
It might not work, but try Googling 'Market Enabler' or search the Android market. If it works, itll enable paid apps on your Tab
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Just because you can't see the apps doesn't give you the right to not have to pay for them, I hope that's not the intention.
The most useful root-required app is Titanium Backup. You could also probably try MarketEnabler to trick it into thinking you're in a country that _does_ have access to paid apps.
Apps to install immediately:
Titanium Backup (just what it says, also allows you to remove bloatware)
AdFree (will remove all in-app adds by blocking connections to a blacklist just like adblock in your browser)
Root Explorer (or something like it in order to fiddle with system files without using adb - eg, edit build.prop to permanently change lcd density)
CacheMate (or something like it to get rid of old cache)
DroidWall (if youre in tinsel hat or limited 3g mode)
Rozenthal said:
A proud Android noob has just rooted the Tab! Now what???
Stuff I can do? Apps to install?
My main goal is to be able to install apps that I can't get through Market (my country is allowed to see only free apps, can't get the payed ones). Any tips and advices are much appreciated!
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download "My Market" from the android market and u can install all paid apps u want
Loving playing around with custom ROMs again since the HD2 days.
I really want to set up my phone in terms of apps, themes and icons etc, but hate having to redo it everytime I want to switch/update a ROM. Any suggestions on an app or process I can use to save my themes ect.
I use play store to retore my apps.. but is there a way to edit them so I don't download the ones I don't want anymore?
What themes? What type? Detailed info helps getting answers
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Lots of options Titatnium backup is most famous... there are others too in the market
So..
I hate having bloat on my electronics.
So much so that I go far above and beyond what most people would do. (uninstalling a few of your carriers apps)
Basically I will list APK's that can and can not be removed over the next couple of days.
Will probably start on this tonight and add to the list from there..
Keep in mind this is using a custom rom (insert coin), but I will try to keep this broad for everyone using stock or custom roms as both will have a lot of the same system apps. Which is what we are looking to remove.
This is the method I am using to remove these!
http://androidcowboy.com/2013/06/how-to-uninstall-system-apps-with-es-file-explorer/
You will need root to remove these!
Red: unsafe to remove
Black: unsure
Green: safe to remove
Android System: Obviously do not remove.
AppDownload
Archive Viewer
Basic Daydream
Bluetooth Share
Calender Storage
Camera
Certificate Installer
CIRModule
Clock
com.android.backup
com.android.keyguard
com.android.provider
com.android.shareds
com.android.wallpaper
com.htc.htccalendarf
com.qualcomm.time
ConfigUpdater
Contacts
Contacts Storage
Customization
Customization Setup
Data Usage
Dialer
Dialer Storage
Documents
DotMatrix: For DotMatrix cases.
Download Manager
Downloads
Easy Mode
EasyAccessService
External Storage
Extreme Power
File Browser
Flexnet: Bloat
Frisbee Contacts
Fused Location
Gallery
Gmail
Google Account
Google Backup
Google Bookmark
Google Calender
Google Contacts
Google One Time
Google Partner
Google Services
Google Text-to-speech
Helvetica Font
HTC Account
HTC Backup
HTC BlinkFeed: Blinkfeed feature
hTC Bluetooth
HTC Checkin
HTC Connectio
HTC DM
HTC Function
HTC Get Started
HTC Guide
HTC Internal
HTC Lock Screen
HTC Match
HTC MEdia
HTC Message
HTC Sense
HTC Service
HTC Sync Manager
HTC Sync Manager
HTC Weather
HtcBackupReset
HtcCupd
HtcDLNA MiddleLay
HTCMirror
HTCMode
HTML Viewer
Input Devices
Instagram for HTC
Keep Alive
Key Chain
Keyboard - English
LED Settings
LinkedIn for HTC
Location Picker
Make more
Market Feedback
Media output
Media Storage
Message Provider
Messages: I replace with Hello SMS app!
Music
Music Enhancer
Nfc Service
NfceeService
Notification Widget
Package Access
Package installer
PacProcessor
Personalize
Phone
Picasa Uploader
Power
Power Dashboard
ProxyHandler
Push Client
Ringtone Trimmer
Settings
Settings Storage
Setup
Setup Wizard
Shell
Smartcard Service
SmsBackupAgent
Sound Picker
System UI
Tags
Transfer
Transfer my stuff
TV
Update HTC
Updater
User Dictionary
View video
Visual Voicemail: AT&T Bloatware
VpnDialogs
Weather
Weather Clock
WeatherClockWidget
Wi-Fi Hotspot
Zoe: Unreleased app
To be continued.
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Also any help would be much appreciated, or if someone sees a sys app that isnt on the list that is not apart of a specific rom.
I am still on stock... And it probably doesn't need asking, but Amazon and Amazon MP3 can be removed as obvious bloat.
Also, I do not use "the Facebook" so I am planning on getting rid of "Facebook" and "HTC Facebook" which I can't imagine would be a problem... The only pause I had was that the OP has HTC Instagram listed as "unsure" to remove but that may be because he is an active user.
Edit: I removed:
Amazon
Amazon MP3 (system app)
Facebook (system app)
Facebook for HTC Sense (system app)
...so they can be added to the "Safe" list (for stock anyway).
Note: Just an FYI...when I disabled Kid Mode (I was S-On though), I lost T-Mobile's WiFi calling ability.
@PunchLick
stumbled across this today, very useful!!!!
may be worth adding that if users remove apps on rooted stock rom, they will need to restore these to apply any OTA file
exocetdj said:
@PunchLick
stumbled across this today, very useful!!!!
may be worth adding that if users remove apps on rooted stock rom, they will need to restore these to apply any OTA file
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I would suggest freezing them, rather than deleting them. You can't use that space anyway, because of the partitioning, and it is a lot easier to freeze/defrost than hunt down a backup.
jshamlet said:
I would suggest freezing them, rather than deleting them. You can't use that space anyway, because of the partitioning, and it is a lot easier to freeze/defrost than hunt down a backup.
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You can't do anything to them until you disable them first. Titanium uninstalled them, but then they reappeared after reboot.
With regard to OTAs, I am rooted with TWRP, but was getting pestered to do an update. It now has downloaded on its own.
I read elsewhere this forum that it won't update though because of the custom recovery... and may even bootloop trying to update. Anyone know what I should do with this update?
Thanks a lot in advance!
exocetdj said:
@PunchLick
stumbled across this today, very useful!!!!
may be worth adding that if users remove apps on rooted stock rom, they will need to restore these to apply any OTA file
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syntropic said:
You can't do anything to them until you disable them first. Titanium uninstalled them, but then they reappeared after reboot.
With regard to OTAs, I am rooted with TWRP, but was getting pestered to do an update. It now has downloaded on its own.
I read elsewhere this forum that it won't update though because of the custom recovery... and may even bootloop trying to update. Anyone know what I should do with this update?
Thanks a lot in advance!
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Hmm, it may make a difference that I am S-off as well as BL unlocked, and have been since day one. So far, TiBu works like it normally should on my phone, and I've used it to freeze a lot of stuff Sense wouldn't let me disable (system apps). It's possible that S-on phones ignore TiBu's attempt to freeze.
Since I have never spent an appreciable amount of time S-on, or run into these issues, I'll defer to a more experienced person on that.
Freezing bloat is always better than uninstalling it. The apps take up very little space. You can unfreeze if you have an issue. And you can still take an ota. Uninstalled them and you can not, until you find them and install them again, or return to stock.
Just my 2 cents. ?
I have just been disabling system apps under settings. It seems like more stuff is integrated in this version of Sense--which makes it harder to even do this though.
As of now, I have disabled Amazon, Facebook, Instagram, FMRadio widget, Lookout Security, and Set-up Wizard. I am going to experiment with disabling some more items tonight.
Anyone know what HTC Recommend (ver 2.0.772578) is? It has the option to be disabled from the app settings menu, dont think I use it so might just disable it. The same for FlexNet?