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As I sit here and wait for 2.2.2 for my N1, it occurs to me I know nothing about the OTA process. A quick search of XDA reveals some of the same questions but few answers. Here's some things I'd like explained:
- How does the rollout process work?
- Are they controlled by HTC or Google or Tmobile?
- How does the selection of IMEIs work?
- How are the carriers involved in the distribution process?
- Is country of residence a factor?
- Does the update process work faster over WiFi? Or maybe require a cellular data connection?
- What does *#*#CHECKIN#*#* do exactly?
- What does clicking Settings...About Phone...System Updates do?
- Is the signing and structure of the update package understood?
- Would I get an OTA if I had no cellular data plan (only WiFi)?
Can anyone point me to a thread/page/wiki that has these answers?
To the best of my knowledge:
James Bell said:
As I sit here and wait for 2.2.2 for my N1, it occurs to me I know nothing about the OTA process. A quick search of XDA reveals some of the same questions but few answers. Here's some things I'd like explained:
- How does the rollout process work?
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Google puts the update on their server, your phone checks in for updates every once in a while. If the Google servers tell your phone there is an update, it downloads it and prompts you to install it.
- Are they controlled by HTC or Google or Tmobile?
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100% Google controlled
- How does the selection of IMEIs work?
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No one knows for sure. Seemingly random unless you have one of the "Holiday" Nexus Ones which seem to get preferential treatment to update first. Not always the case though.
- How are the carriers involved in the distribution process?
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Aside from the data being downloaded across their network, the carriers are not involved in any way with the Nexus One's update distribution.
- Is country of residence a factor?
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I don't believe so. It goes off your IMEI and whether Google has chosen you.
- Does the update process work faster over WiFi? Or maybe require a cellular data connection?
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That depends on the speed of your wifi or 3G connection. It is like downloading any other file off the internet (wifi will probably be faster).
- What does *#*#CHECKIN#*#* do exactly?
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It forces your phone to check Google's servers for an update. But, if your IMEI isn't in the approved pool that the update is being sent to, it will NOT cause your phone to get the update ahead of time. IMO, the checkin code is worthless as you will almost always see the update file posted here long before your phone will tell you there is an update.
- What does clicking Settings...About Phone...System Updates do?
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That only lists updates your phone has already downloaded and are ready to apply. It does not check for new updates.
- Is the signing and structure of the update package understood?
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Yes.
- Would I get an OTA if I had no cellular data plan (only WiFi)?
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Yes.
Can anyone point me to a thread/page/wiki that has these answers?
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The wiki is located in a link at the top, labeled appropriately enough "WIKI".
It may not have these specific answers, but is an excellent place to go before asking any questions here.
Oh, and one more thing. You have posted this in the wrong forum. This forum is not for questions. The forum labeled "Nexus One Q&A" would have been the appropriate forum to start this thread in.
I have a korean nexus and it got updates which slighty different from stock rom, i think it maded by kt itself, not google.
My opinion is thats because its a operator model. And yours t-mobile nexuse one wouldnt be one of the first wholl recieve ota.
Btw my korean nexus stll didnt recieved FRG83D
There are no operator models in the US, only Vodafone in Europe and KT in Korea have them.
The updates of the operator ones still come from Google, but they're delayed for testing/modification by the networks.
- What does clicking Settings...About Phone...System Updates do?
That only lists updates your phone has already downloaded and are ready to apply. It does not check for new updates.
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Curious: Why, for example, sense'd phones can have "check for updates" button, and we have to just stare and wait?
Cheers!
Because HTC decided that's how they wanted it.
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Because HTC decided that's how they wanted it.
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Yes, but I can't find any reason to NOT give the option to manually chceck for updates. I had that option in stock android 2.1 on the Milestone, so it can't be to difficult if Moto Europe lazy devs could do that. Am I missing something or it's just illogical?
Hm. Maybe google didn't want hteir servers to be DDoS'd when new update arrives
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There are no operator models in the US, only Vodafone in Europe and KT in Korea have them.
The updates of the operator ones still come from Google, but they're delayed for testing/modification by the networks.
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Hi Rusty, how do define operator models? I have FRG83D installed! Before that I had FRF91 (Vodafone)! Is my phone still a operator model? In which way does it effect the OTA process?
Unless you've deliberately made the effort to switch to the untouched Google firmware, you'll still have the Voda variant.
What this means is you will receive updates much later than the Google bought handsets, if you tried to install the 2.2.2 update (FRG83G), you'll find that it will fail.
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Unless you've deliberately made the effort to switch to the untouched Google firmware, you'll still have the Voda variant.
What this means is you will receive updates much later than the Google bought handsets, if you tried to install the 2.2.2 update (FRG83G), you'll find that it will fail.
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I've unlocked the bootloader and installed FRG83D. Prior to that I had FRF91 2.1 Vodafone Version!
Got ya. You are on par with the Google bought phones then.
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Got ya. You are on par with the Google bought phones then.
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Thanks Rusty!
it's really a hard work to wait OTA with google's official version. So I can't wait and just flash a lot of vendor room from the XDA.
the "checkin" seemed to force the phone to check update...
I've rooted my FRG83D, and received my 2.2.2 yesterday, but failed to go through the update due to not found carhome.apk which I deleted manually...
So I decided I'd give the new official update for the HTC aria a shot despite all the talk about not being able to root it yet. So far some pretty important things I've noticed is the fact that there is no sideloading. I saw someone on here say that it would be able to sideload - incorrect. The second big thing is the fact that it does not have the touchpad button wake. You have to use the power button which is a huge flaw for me. Someone also said that it would be capable of overclocking- as far as I know right now I don't think you can, but I can't be 100% sure yet because of the lack of sideloading and the 4.99 for setcpu. Some of the cool new features I do like is the mobile hotspot capabilities, live wallpapers, and the market update. So now I want to see what others have to say about it. Please come tell me what you've found!
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Can you not sideload w/ this?
http://www.androidcentral.com/sideload-android-apps-all-you-want-sideload-wonder-machine
Hmm ill try that today after school
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That's what I used to sl when I first got this phone.
cjtulowiecki said:
Hmm ill try that today after school
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Did it work?
I want to understand ..
The updates are made automatically?
If I purchased from ebay the device in 3 / 3 and it had not arrived yet, am I expected to see within 2.2 and unable to root?
havlaz said:
I want to understand ..
The updates are made automatically?
If I purchased from ebay the device in 3 / 3 and it had not arrived yet, am I expected to see within 2.2 and unable to root?
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Did you purchase a used phone? Was it already rooted? Did the seller install the latest update from HTC/AT&T?
The 2.2 update from at&t is not an Over-the-air (OTA) update. It's offered by at&t via the HTC web site. The update, therefore, takes work on the user's part. It's not automatic.
That said, if you purchase a phone from eBay that is factory fresh from at&t, it's possible it already has the 2.2 update - I put the odds at 50%.
For what it's worth, the only thing wrong with the stock build of this device's ROM is the at&t bloatware/crapware. Other than that, it's a solid device, and there are ways to customize the phone to your liking.
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cjtulowiecki said:
So I decided I'd give the new official update for the HTC aria a shot despite all the talk about not being able to root it yet. So far some pretty important things I've noticed is the fact that there is no sideloading. I saw someone on here say that it would be able to sideload - incorrect. The second big thing is the fact that it does not have the touchpad button wake. You have to use the power button which is a huge flaw for me. Someone also said that it would be capable of overclocking- as far as I know right now I don't think you can, but I can't be 100% sure yet because of the lack of sideloading and the 4.99 for setcpu. Some of the cool new features I do like is the mobile hotspot capabilities, live wallpapers, and the market update. So now I want to see what others have to say about it. Please come tell me what you've found!
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don't worry about side-loading.
Use the stock HTC sync software that came with your Aria - when prompted to update, don't do it!
DanGeorges said:
Did you purchase a used phone? Was it already rooted? Did the seller install the latest update from HTC/AT&T?
The 2.2 update from at&t is not an Over-the-air (OTA) update. It's offered by at&t via the HTC web site. The update, therefore, takes work on the user's part. It's not automatic.
That said, if you purchase a phone from eBay that is factory fresh from at&t, it's possible it already has the 2.2 update - I put the odds at 50%.
For what it's worth, the only thing wrong with the stock build of this device's ROM is the at&t bloatware/crapware. Other than that, it's a solid device, and there are ways to customize the phone to your liking.
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i'm from israel, and i need RTL
i don't care about the rom,
and to change the framework.jar i need root...
here is the buy
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...DuFKhKg%3D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWNX:IT
I got an hk/tw region phone and sideload is enabled natively
havlaz said:
i'm from israel, and i need RTL
i don't care about the rom,
and to change the framework.jar i need root...
here is the buy
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...DuFKhKg%3D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWNX:IT
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If it is what it looks like, (US version/AT&T branded) then you should be able to root no problem with unrevoked
http://unrevoked.com/#aria
I'm not sure about enabling RTL support, but I think people have been talking about it on these forums.
At first my phone felt quick when it was processing, but initial response to screen presses felt slightly laggy. I was concerned. But after running it for a few weeks now, without a task killer, it feels like quite a quick more featured phone. Seems like there was a calibration and optimization duration there. Maybe it's in my head? Very happy with the upgrade, especially for apps to SD!
Oh, and add gingerbread keyboard from the market and the phone is twice as good!
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You can do side loading by using android injector. You can find it at at harmonyhollow or softpedia. Just type in Android Injector at google. It also allows you to install multiple apps at the same time.
Call_er_Roxie said:
At first my phone felt quick when it was processing, but initial response to screen presses felt slightly laggy. I was concerned. But after running it for a few weeks now, without a task killer, it feels like quite a quick more featured phone. Seems like there was a calibration and optimization duration there. Maybe it's in my head? Very happy with the upgrade, especially for apps to SD!
Oh, and add gingerbread keyboard from the market and the phone is twice as good!
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How do you get Apps to SD to work on this rom?
In the past I was using Darktremor's a2sd preinstalled on the Liberated Aria roms.
I am now on the Liberated version of the rom (thanks to Gene Poole - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=970272), but I don't know how to do apps2sd here. I have my sdcard partitioned with ext3 (512 Mb), but it's not getting used automatically.
Tx Redneck said:
Can you not sideload w/ this?
http://www.androidcentral.com/sideload-android-apps-all-you-want-sideload-wonder-machine
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This is what I use to sideload and it works perfectly
ROFL 2.2.2 STILL NO ROOT if I was the owner of this phone id sell it!crap
There is currently an OTA as most of you know that adds Google Video and locks unlocked devices.
There is also the new TW OTA coming out tomorrow.
Does anyone know how updates will work? I don't want to lose the unlocked bootloader but really want the TW and am afraid I'll have to get both to get the new TW.
flintdragon said:
There is currently an OTA as most of you know that adds Google Video and locks unlocked devices.
There is also the new TW OTA coming out tomorrow.
Does anyone know how updates will work? I don't want to lose the unlocked bootloader but really want the TW and am afraid I'll have to get both to get the new TW.
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I would suggest you wait for Devs to get their hands on the new TW & their new ROMs that come from it.
On Samsung's changelog of what's included in the TW update, it shows Google Video included in the package so I'm not sure how some people are getting it as a separate update unless they have a Google IO tab. http://www.samsung.com/us/article/galaxy-tab-10-1-updates
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On Samsung's changelog of what's included in the TW update, it shows Google Video included in the package so I'm not sure how some people are getting it as a separate update unless they have a Google IO tab. http://www.samsung.com/us/article/galaxy-tab-10-1-updates
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Has anyone received this that doesn't have an I/O Tab? Anyone that has a locked retail? I'm wondering if Samsung's sending this to serial numbers that didn't get locked during production.
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Has anyone received this that doesn't have an I/O Tab? Anyone that has a locked retail? I'm wondering if Samsung's sending this to serial numbers that didn't get locked during production.
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I went back to stock yesterday in anticipation of the update tomorrow. I have a locked retail tablet and received the 11.2MB OTA so now I am on KG4.
I noticed the the samsung app did an update today, but didn't notice anything. Is this where the update comes from?
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I noticed the the samsung app did an update today, but didn't notice anything. Is this where the update comes from?
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no, Samsung Apps is like Samsung's own android marketplace
you can find apps & games like Angry birds ect..
So, I already know it's possible to side load the new market but i thought i'd point out a difference i've noticed between the market APK and the OTA market.
In the sideload version there is a limit to the amount of apps in the lists like "top paid" and "top free" or "editors choice"
In the OTA version there seems to be no limit and it goes on for quite a while.
It also breaks the ability to install apps that aren't available in your local market via the MarketEnabler trick that fakes the MCC/MNC SIM ID's.
There's no real benefit to the new market unless the video's are available in whatever country you're in.
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It also breaks the ability to install apps that aren't available in your local market via the MarketEnabler trick that fakes the MCC/MNC SIM ID's.
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Market Enabler works fine here with the new market.
I have still not got new market here in Denmark
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by OTA and APK market do you guys mean the old 2.3.6 market and the new 3.0.27 market respectively? why does the title say new OTA market? what am i missing here? lol
anyway, when i was using litening rom the market there had no limit but when i switched to stock and installed the new market through an apk the apps showing had a limit and some known apps actually didn't display unless you searched for them.
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by OTA and APK market do you guys mean the old 2.3.6 market and the new 3.0.27 market respectively? why does the title say new OTA market? what am i missing here? lol
anyway, when i was using litening rom the market there had no limit but when i switched to stock and installed the new market through an apk the apps showing had a limit and some known apps actually didn't display unless you searched for them.
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I assume OP is talking about the market apk which you can install manually and you can get from various sites and the market update which is being pushed by Google these days and is "the most official" one, if i can use this term. Basically the same version, but looks like they behave differently. I didn't get the official update from Google yet, but waiting for it, no point in installing it by myself.
I was also wondering that why no market update here.
Could it be because of a custom ROM? no? Just have to wait in Finland..
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I was also wondering that why no market update here.
Could it be because of a custom ROM? no? Just have to wait in Finland..
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It is probably being rolled out regionally based. I read on a tech site that it should come to Europe this week. We'll just have to wait and see, unless you wanna install the apk yourself.
I have the sideloaded version installed and I don't have this issue, the list goes on forever for me. I have version 3.0.27, maybe you sidedloaded an older version?
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It is probably being rolled out regionally based. I read on a tech site that it should come to Europe this week. We'll just have to wait and see, unless you wanna install the apk yourself.
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Yeah I am pretty sure it is being rolled out regionally as well.
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I assume OP is talking about the market apk which you can install manually and you can get from various sites and the market update which is being pushed by Google these days and is "the most official" one, if i can use this term. Basically the same version, but looks like they behave differently. I didn't get the official update from Google yet, but waiting for it, no point in installing it by myself.
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Yea this is exactly what i meant, sorry if my first post was a little wonky.
My atrix seems to have gotten the update but nothing thus far for my sgs2
What is seems is that the updates of the market app are not coming at the same time in all phones. Both my HTC and Samsung didn't get the update yet so we guess it is better wait than update the up for ourselves.
Does anyone know if and when motorola is going to release ics for UK xoom's..?? I've searched the web and asked Motorola and nothing.???
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The UK is scheduled for the ICS update 2ND quarter 2012
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does anyone think its worth flashing a US rom just to get this update?
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does anyone think its worth flashing a US rom just to get this update?
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very much so.
Yep - I bought a Xoom with ICS already on and its great!
Geeba said:
Yep - I bought a Xoom with ICS already on and its great!
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Really!? where was that from. I only got mine a week ago but had 3.2 on it, i've since rooted and have CM9 on it but wondering where yours was from?
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does anyone think its worth flashing a US rom just to get this update?
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Yes the best thing I ever did it's a really decent machine now
Got tired of waiting, so I've flashed the USA firmware of ics... Wow.. Is all I can say...! Like have a new device..!
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Really!? where was that from. I only got mine a week ago but had 3.2 on it, i've since rooted and have CM9 on it but wondering where yours was from?
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Off my boss at work! - I guess it has the US ICS on it... but its really nice.
Any problems...
Are there any downsides to using a US rom?
For example:
Keyboard Layouts
Access to Apps from the Play Store
Access to other content from the Play Store
Other regonalization issues
On the flip sides, apart from the benefits of ICS itself, what would I gain from switching to a US rom as a UK user?
That's a pretty generic question, sorry, but I'd love ICS and would wait, but if there's no downsides I'll get it now.
Thanks
imorital said:
Are there any downsides to using a US rom?
For example:
Keyboard Layouts
Access to Apps from the Play Store
Access to other content from the Play Store
Other regonalization issues
On the flip sides, apart from the benefits of ICS itself, what would I gain from switching to a US rom as a UK user?
That's a pretty generic question, sorry, but I'd love ICS and would wait, but if there's no downsides I'll get it now.
Thanks
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Made the same switch myself and glad i did
keyboard layouts - pretty much the same apart from the £ and $
Play Store - Not had any issues myself and the prices comes up in £
being on a US rom means your going to get ota updates quicker than the uk
I briefly installed the US ROM, but quickly changed to team EOS due to the US locale annoying me!
- US Keyboard Layout
- US date format
- US English spelling (Damn annoying with autocorrect!)
I also need to occasionally write in German, so the lack of other languages (except Spanish IIRC) was also a problem for me!
I have been running the US ROM since HC 3.1 - not had any issues really
I thought the UK language keyboard stuff was in ICS now? if not then I havent noticed an issue at all - market is still all english anyway - it doesn't go on ROM region for the apps
So at the risk of being stupid...
So at the risk of being stupid... I'm guessing it's possible to switch back should I hit any locale issues?
The way I read it if I flash to a US Rom, I should be able to flash to the UK variant when it is released (should I decide to bother).
Assuming I do go ahead:
1. If I stay on the US Rom will OTA updates work?
2. Similarly, if I can then switch to UK ICS, should OTA updates continue to work for this too?
Apologies for the newbie posts, I have been reading the boards for a long time, but what I've remembered in my addled brain has left me somewhat confused.
TIA.
imorital said:
So at the risk of being stupid... I'm guessing it's possible to switch back should I hit any locale issues?
The way I read it if I flash to a US Rom, I should be able to flash to the UK variant when it is released (should I decide to bother).
Assuming I do go ahead:
1. If I stay on the US Rom will OTA updates work?
2. Similarly, if I can then switch to UK ICS, should OTA updates continue to work for this too?
Apologies for the newbie posts, I have been reading the boards for a long time, but what I've remembered in my addled brain has left me somewhat confused.
TIA.
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Yep
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Hmmm yeah mine updated to 4.0.4 last night... not had any issues... never even noticed the keyboard layout...
what is the difference between us/uk roms? WiFi/3G roms?
market enabler
imorital said:
Are there any downsides to using a US rom?
For example:
Keyboard Layouts
Access to Apps from the Play Store
Access to other content from the Play Store
Other regonalization issues
On the flip sides, apart from the benefits of ICS itself, what would I gain from switching to a US rom as a UK user?
That's a pretty generic question, sorry, but I'd love ICS and would wait, but if there's no downsides I'll get it now.
Thanks
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I haven't tried putting us firmware on but if there are region issues in the marketplace then market enabler should sort it out.
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The UK is scheduled for the ICS update 2ND quarter 2012
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Now in Q3, still no update. I have been avoiding it but flashing is becoming a very attractive option for us newbies, thanks Motorola for letting us inexpierenced users tamper with our devices just for an update
m14dmx said:
Now in Q3, still no update. I have been avoiding it but flashing is becoming a very attractive option for us newbies, thanks Motorola for letting us inexpierenced users tamper with our devices just for an update
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You should definately unlock your boot loader and flash the US image, I did mine last week and it was easy, got sick of waiting for Moto to release UK ICS
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