Hi there!
Could anyone owning a HD2 check how SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 is running on it?
Software Trial:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/pocketpc-software/mobileshell/download.html
That's an interesting question. I have just put SPB MS 3.5 on my TP and it completely disabled my Touchflo. If that were to happen on the Leo then I would think it might stop the capacitive screen working.
I've had MS on every windows device I've ever owned (5 of them) yet this might be the first time I stick with TF3D....the new 'sense' as it's being called looks so good it might just be the thing that I want.
TF3D was all form and no fucntion, it was far to difficult to perform any real use and just increased the number of presses and swipes needed to actually do anything. The new one doesn't seem to suffer the same thing....but I'll only be able to tell once I get my hands on it
Tomo1340 said:
If that were to happen on the Leo then I would think it might stop the capacitive screen working.
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Why would it stop the screen working?
vangrieg said:
Why would it stop the screen working?
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WM 6.5 isn't designed for capacitive screens, I suspect that HTC have programmed it to work in the TouchFlo3.5 Sense UI, as such disabling it could potentially render the screen useless.
Tomo1340 said:
WM 6.5 isn't designed for capacitive screens, I suspect that HTC have programmed it to work in the TouchFlo3.5 Sense UI, as such disabling it could potentially render the screen useless.
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the start menu works as well as the other native microsoft screens. I doubt sense has anything to do with the screen actually working. IN fact, there are devs ripping sense out of there and making a lite version of the Leo ROM as we speak.
mallman said:
the start menu works as well as the other native microsoft screens. I doubt sense has anything to do with the screen actually working. IN fact, there are devs ripping sense out of there and making a lite version of the Leo ROM as we speak.
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What would a lite version of the Leo ROM actually include if Sense is ripped out?
Tomo1340 said:
WM 6.5 isn't designed for capacitive screens, I suspect that HTC have programmed it to work in the TouchFlo3.5 Sense UI, as such disabling it could potentially render the screen useless.
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TouchFlo is ONLY a front screen interface and in no way takes over the control of your device from Windows Mobile. Im sure the correct drivers and everything are in place to make the capacitive screen work perfectly with WM6.5 or you wouldnt be able to run any of the standard Windows Mobile Programs from the Start Menu.
TouchFlo can easily be disabled through the Today screen settings and other front screen interfaces such as Mobile Shell run in its place. The 2 cannot run side by side but as with any other phone you can turn 1 off and start another quite easily.
The only problem with newer Windows Mobile versions such as 6.5.1 is that they have a menubar at the bottom for easy operation of the Start Menu, ok button and other things. From my experience this menubar isnt disabled when Mobile Shell is installed meaning that it overlays the bottom menubar in Mobile Shell, which in turn causes problems. Im sure spb will fix this problem as WM advances and adds more touch friendly functionality.
The things that said capacitive on WM was unsupported are utter rubbish. What it requires is an OEM to write drivers for it. Since HTC have done this, it's supported.
Manila is just a UI enhancement, it's not anything to do with the screen, the drivers etc.
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The things that said capacitive on WM was unsupported are utter rubbish. What it requires is an OEM to write drivers for it. Since HTC have done this, it's supported.
Manila is just a UI enhancement, it's not anything to do with the screen, the drivers etc.
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But it's a UI enhancement designed to increase usability on a device with a capacitive screen. Without the new version of Manila you won't necessarily have access to the HTC-skinned versions of WM6.5 utilities, which means you'll be back to using software that is designed to be used with a stylus on a platform that doesn't support stylus use.
I only took a short glimpse into a Leo ROM, and it's different from, say, Topaz/Rhodium ones in that Manila is broken into more packages (Core, Music, Settings, Footprints etc.). So it might theoretically be possible to use just some Manila features if someone bothers to actually investigate the opportunities and do an insane amount work required to materialize them.
Fair comments, I was under the impression that the drivers were part of HTC sense. Also that HTC sense is designed to not be turned off so easy. So from that I drew a natural conclusion that if you were able to turn Sense off, or an application forced it off like SPB MS3.5 does then that would make the drivers not function as they were part of the working Sense UI.
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The only problem with newer Windows Mobile versions such as 6.5.1 is that they have a menubar at the bottom for easy operation of the Start Menu, ok button and other things. From my experience this menubar isnt disabled when Mobile Shell is installed meaning that it overlays the bottom menubar in Mobile Shell, which in turn causes problems. Im sure spb will fix this problem as WM advances and adds more touch friendly functionality.
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On my TYTN2 with WM 6.5.1.23053, there's no overlay with MS3.5. Not sure what build of MS you are using but for me it's just fine.
I have tested MS3.5 on Acer F1 (same CPU as HD2) and it was very smooth. However, when going in landscape, it was slower than my TYTN2 in landscape. It could be a graphic driver issue, which I hope won't be on HD2.
Righto guys - got the SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 trial installed on my MD2 - what do you want me to test?
It has a very Android feel to the OS - kinda parallex scrolling background...
Once installed, it disables the Sense UI.
WildWayz said:
Righto guys - got the SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 trial installed on my MD2 - what do you want me to test?
It has a very Android feel to the OS - kinda parallex scrolling background...
Once installed, it disables the Sense UI.
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MD2? I think we already sorted out that it will work fine with TouchFLO disabled LOL
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MD2? I think we already sorted out that it will work fine with TouchFLO disabled LOL
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Sorry meant HD2.
I didnt disable TouchFlo - it did it itself.
One thing i've noticed, if you enable hardware acceleration on the SPB, the whole 'carosol' goes slow and unresponsive...
I thought it would be better as the HD2 is meant to use OpenGL?
oh no, not again! no drivers......
WildWayz said:
Sorry meant HD2.
I didnt disable TouchFlo - it did it itself.
One thing i've noticed, if you enable hardware acceleration on the SPB, the whole 'carosol' goes slow and unresponsive...
I thought it would be better as the HD2 is meant to use OpenGL?
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I guess it depends how spb makes use of hardware acceleration enabled devices. With it turned off it should still run very fast and smooth so not too much to worry about i think. You should install one of my MS3.5 themes (in my sig) and see how it looks I think it would look nice with ProPlus Elegance and all the extra widgets
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oh no, not again! no drivers......
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The HD2 has OpenGL drivers as proved in this stress test against the original HD *HERE*
WildWayz said:
Righto guys - got the SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 trial installed on my MD2 - what do you want me to test?
It has a very Android feel to the OS - kinda parallex scrolling background...
Once installed, it disables the Sense UI.
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Cool WildWayz! Thanks a lot, I'm just happy that it works and doesn't have quirks of one or the other kind
Yes you should try and mess around with some of mskip's stuff if you like
Maybe you can say how the general feel is? Speed/smoothness -how is it on the capacitive screen? And I don't know if you intend to keep on using it -but it would be very interesting to hear if there is an effect on battery life..
cheers!
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Can anyone get their hands on the TouchFLO UI CAB so we can give it a try on the Athena? The functionality was released on the HTC Touch in the UK. Maybe someone can get the CAB off of the HTC Touch and we can give it a try on our Athenas.
http://www.htctouch.com
Check out the TouchFLO try me link at the bottom of the page.
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Can anyone get their hands on the TouchFLO UI CAB so we can give it a try on the Athena? The functionality was released on the HTC Touch in the UK. Maybe someone can get the CAB off of the HTC Touch and we can give it a try on our Athenas.
http://www.htctouch.com
Check out the TouchFLO try me link at the bottom of the page.
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Now that is nice. Especially if it worked in landscape on the Athena.
Indeed. Very interesting.
I'll be looking for it too.
HTC's Touch is QVGA....
From what I've read of the specs, the HTC Touch is a QVGA device without 3G!
If the Cube Touch software is anything like the QVGA HTC Audio Manager I've seen, it will look pathetic on the Athena.
IMHO, it needs to be in a VGA device before it's worth considering installing it to the Athena and preferably a device with similar if not same hardware and software features, in order for all things to be accessible through it's interface.
Having said all that, I read somewhere recently that the Advantage comes with HTC Audio Manager (supposedly no better or worse than WMplayer), but at least natively VGA.
The Touch GUI looks great, but I know one thing for sure, if it lives up to the hype and actually allows better and more intuitive navigation through finger-touch, you can bet your bottom dollar that some big software developers like Spb will be on the bandwagon to produce an even better variant of it.
Great for the rest of the PPC community, whether VGA or QVGA.
May be it has something to do with screen build quality as well....I have a feeling that even though if we install all the interface cabs for "multi touch input method", still Athena screen will not be able to support it.
Does it has anything to do with screen build quality?
few reviews on HTC touch:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/06/05/htc-touch-hands-on/
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_with_touchflo_technology-news-274.php
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From what I've read of the specs, the HTC Touch is a QVGA device without 3G!
If the Cube Touch software is anything like the QVGA HTC Audio Manager I've seen, it will look pathetic on the Athena.
IMHO, it needs to be in a VGA device before it's worth considering installing it to the Athena and preferably a device with similar if not same hardware and software features, in order for all things to be accessible through it's interface.
Having said all that, I read somewhere recently that the Advantage comes with HTC Audio Manager (supposedly no better or worse than WMplayer), but at least natively VGA.
The Touch GUI looks great, but I know one thing for sure, if it lives up to the hype and actually allows better and more intuitive navigation through finger-touch, you can bet your bottom dollar that some big software developers like Spb will be on the bandwagon to produce an even better variant of it.
Great for the rest of the PPC community, whether VGA or QVGA.
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I want to give it a try. I see your points but am curious about it working and potentially enhancing the UI. From the demo it looked like a nice new toy to have. I'm thinking it's similar to what they did with the iPhone theme where you had the slider lock, etc. If you can at least swap screens and make custom menus using TouchFLO, that would be great. As for the phone it was released on...shame on HTC for putting something like this on such an inferior device ;-)
Nara-e-Mastana said:
May be it has something to do with screen build quality as well....I have a feeling that even though if we install all the interface cabs for "multi touch input method", still Athena screen will not be able to support it.
Does it has anything to do with screen build quality?
few reviews on HTC touch:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/06/05/htc-touch-hands-on/
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_with_touchflo_technology-news-274.php
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I don't think so but I could be wrong. For example, the iPhone theme uses slider bars, etc and can be loaded onto the Athena, with a little help of third party software. I hope someone posts the CAB so I can test it out. I'll load it and report my findings if someone can get it.
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May be it has something to do with screen build quality as well....I have a feeling that even though if we install all the interface cabs for "multi touch input method", still Athena screen will not be able to support it.
Does it has anything to do with screen build quality?
few reviews on HTC touch:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/06/05/htc-touch-hands-on/
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_with_touchflo_technology-news-274.php
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It isn't multi touch.
Or have I missed something?
ltxda said:
I want to give it a try. I see your points but am curious about it working and potentially enhancing the UI. From the demo it looked like a nice new toy to have. I'm thinking it's similar to what they did with the iPhone theme where you had the slider lock, etc. If you can at least swap screens and make custom menus using TouchFLO, that would be great. As for the phone it was released on...shame on HTC for putting something like this on such an inferior device ;-)
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Gotta agree with you ltxda. I still want to try it too.
i think it would be great. i know there are other softwares that use this interface. so i think ppc is capable but its all about the software limitation.
If were lucky, alan from the HTC Touch post can investigate this for us as he has just acquired such a device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1301886&posted=1#post1301886
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If were lucky, alan from the HTC Touch post can investigate this for us as he has just acquired such a device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1301886&posted=1#post1301886
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That's awesome! Great thinking mackaby007! Can't wait for him to reply and maybe send us a CAB or two.
Bad news so far...
This is what Paul of Modaco has reported so far;
"Random Touch trivia after spending some time today 'digging around'...
- The screen has it’s own new driver version (touch.dll). This means the TouchFLO interface won’t port to other devices. In fact, I tried it - just to be sure - by installing the driver on my Trinity, and the touchscreen stopped working ohmy.gif
- The fancy today screen plugin is just that, and would be easy for HTC to drop onto any device.
- Out of the box I feel the sensitivity of the screen is a little lacking (it occasionally misses clicks or taps from my finger or stylus), however this seems to be configurable in the registry – watch this space
- The Touch has a new version of HTC’s ‘Task Manager’ (close button) application, a new Camera application, and a very nifty network wizard for setting up GPRS settings. These settings are held on the device in a passworded ZIP file!
- NO PHONE PAD T9 ON THE TOUCH! What the hell were they thinking? I had a good moan to our HTC about it, and demo’d what Phone Pad would be like on the Touch... wink.gif
- When you boot the device, it does the email config (you know, the one that connects to the server to get settings?) and then the config of the data connection. Duh! Wrong order!
- All the IR drivers etc. are in ROM despite their being no IR port!
- The fancy UI takes up a lot of memory
- Audio Manager, Comm Manager and the Phone Dialler are all grey-skinned to match the homescreen UI. It looks real nice biggrin.gif
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P"
Not looking good at the mo, but let's not give up hope.
mackaby007 said:
This is what Paul of Modaco has reported so far;
"Random Touch trivia after spending some time today 'digging around'...
- The screen has it’s own new driver version (touch.dll). This means the TouchFLO interface won’t port to other devices. In fact, I tried it - just to be sure - by installing the driver on my Trinity, and the touchscreen stopped working ohmy.gif
- The fancy today screen plugin is just that, and would be easy for HTC to drop onto any device.
- Out of the box I feel the sensitivity of the screen is a little lacking (it occasionally misses clicks or taps from my finger or stylus), however this seems to be configurable in the registry – watch this space
- The Touch has a new version of HTC’s ‘Task Manager’ (close button) application, a new Camera application, and a very nifty network wizard for setting up GPRS settings. These settings are held on the device in a passworded ZIP file!
- NO PHONE PAD T9 ON THE TOUCH! What the hell were they thinking? I had a good moan to our HTC about it, and demo’d what Phone Pad would be like on the Touch... wink.gif
- When you boot the device, it does the email config (you know, the one that connects to the server to get settings?) and then the config of the data connection. Duh! Wrong order!
- All the IR drivers etc. are in ROM despite their being no IR port!
- The fancy UI takes up a lot of memory
- Audio Manager, Comm Manager and the Phone Dialler are all grey-skinned to match the homescreen UI. It looks real nice biggrin.gif
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Not looking good at the mo, but let's not give up hope.
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If he wants, have him give us the passworded ZIP file. I'll try to crack it.
I guess we'll have to have someone take a look at the dll mentioned above and see what can be done about that...if there is enough interest.
Maybe we could at least have the today plugin? That looks pretty sweet.
Touch.DLL
I Have a T-Mobile Wing, and I have the Touch.dll file in \Windows . . . (Touch.dll 26.9k 3/21/07 21:21.04)
It came that way, does that mean that TouchFlo may work on my device?
2 things i do not like:
mackaby007 said:
- Out of the box I feel the sensitivity of the screen is a little lacking (it occasionally misses clicks or taps from my finger or stylus), however this seems to be configurable in the registry – watch this space
- The fancy UI takes up a lot of memory
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pretty dissapointing but to be expected i guess.
Just grab yourself Wisbar, and the graphics file and youll be 2/3rds the way home and hosed to recreating the Interface.
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Just grab yourself Wisbar, and the graphics file and youll be 2/3rds the way home and hosed to recreating the Interface.
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Well see, we're not trying to recreate the interface, we're trying to get the actual app from the actual source and see if it works. Please try to contribute to the thread instead of making ambiguous statements!
WarezAppz said:
I Have a T-Mobile Wing, and I have the Touch.dll file in \Windows . . . (Touch.dll 26.9k 3/21/07 21:21.04)
It came that way, does that mean that TouchFlo may work on my device?
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Just maybe, you never know. I can't remember which post I read, but I do recall it mentioning that the the screen is a new techology and another report that that would not make it a standard WM6 device (I remember now, a discussion at 4winmobile.com about the HTC Touch etc..). Anyway, that makes sense + fellow member neilm also went on to mention that a lot of current WM5 & WM6 wouldn't work on it as it wasn't written with this type of multi-touch screen in mind.
Fair point I think and follows the logik that HTC haven't built a WM6 device that is incompatible with software written for its O/S. No it's more likely that that .dll is all the software needed to make that plug-in (shell or whatever) interface with any WM touch screen.
So, WarezApps, if you have the .dll by default, it could mean that your device is capable of running the plug-in with the screen driver you seem to have, as they may have considered selling it as a default app within your device, but possibly recognized the potential to knock out another new device (for more money), which will appeal to some people just for this particular touch interface!
I think it will work with that Touch.dll screen driver.
Can you upload your file for us all to share and examine.
Anyway bottom line: I think it's all about transferable software now and just want to try it for myself to see.
Have any of you guys given this a go yet? http://www.pointui.com/
Its a major improvement over the Standard windows mobile home screen and gives an easier to use interface with your finger.
No ROM cooking involved just install over the top of windows mobile 5 or 6. Its kinda like an improved today screen.
I downloaded it today and I have to say its made me alot happier using the phone without a stylus.
It has just been released and is free to use on any windows mobile device.
Take a look...
http://www.pointui.com/Home.aspx
But it doesn't support VGA devices?? - Mike
Shame it doesnt support true vga 96 dpi......however its really nice looking and i like imput/design ui a lot, wallpaper and color scheme should be user defined.
it does work in 96dpi, kind of, I think we need to resize one or two of the backgrounds to make it work well.
not gone through the jif files yet, I'm presuming it'll be one of those.
they got a fix for that now, a temporary one on their website
Hi,
I have installed this application but I didn't really like it the way I was expecting it to perform. The problem is, I can't get rid of it now. I have removed the program from remove program but it still shows the 'Home' option on the task bar.
Can anyone help me to remove this program?
Regards
SS
sachdes said:
Can anyone help me to remove this program?
Regards
SS
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Go into the program - run 'Update' and one of the options is to remove. Arse about face I know but...
Hi
I am usining it on 128 and 96 dpi
Works fine but when putting in pin for fone the buttons have all tobe touched to see them and then use clear and then enter the pin as u can now see the buutons ???
Any way to fix this ???
good stuff, i like it here ,works good with my HTC PPC 6800
I think once finalized, this could indeed be a killer application for the Athena as it encompasses all areas usually only accessible through the native WM O/S, but in a much more stylish and finger touch pleasing way.
could you make a list of programs that you use on shift to improve the experience on your device?
like wisdom screenhunter, or other?
also in wm side.
thx
Origami ?
Must say that using the origami 2.0 and the Origami HOME screen is a real
nice feat for this device.
You can alter the home screen to display "widgets" you want.
Of course, install pocket Reperion , free GPS Tracking software for PDA's, as soon as we have bluetooth access. ( www.reperion.com )
And.. how about the www.mp3car.com software that was built for 800x480 touch screens ? Dunno if they already have a vista version.
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Must say that using the origami 2.0 and the Origami HOME screen is a real
nice feat for this device.
You can alter the home screen to display "widgets" you want.
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How do you do that?
Hi there!
I don't like manila / TouchFLO / Sense. I use SPB Mobile Shell and I'm quite contempt with that. I'm on WM 6.1 -would there be any reason for me to move to WM 6.5? I mean in terms of functionality?
windows 6.5 and SPB shell
Hi,
I've just updated my windows and found a lot of interference from windows 6.5 when using the sbp shell. Im considering to go back to 6.1.
If anyone can help to get 6.5 to work with spb shell please do.
Thanks!
Thanks, I guess I'll stick with 6.1 for now
No reason at all really, SPB Mobile Shell hides the interface of WM6.1 very good and you hardly see it. WM6.5 is laggy and unstable imo so I will stay with 6.1 for a while..
Cool, I'll do the same
I just hope SPB Mobile Shell will run smoothly on the HTC Leo when I get my hands on it
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Cool, I'll do the same
I just hope SPB Mobile Shell will run smoothly on the HTC Leo when I get my hands on it
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No worries dude, if it can run WM6.5+HTC Sense 2.5/2.6 it will 100% run SPBMS without problems.
i think manila is much better than spb
spb shell 3.5 and wm6.5
i am using spb shell 3.5 with wm 6.5 for a couple of weeks without any problems.
The improvement of wm6.5 which is more finger friendly than 6.1. Is a better match for MS3.5.
Athorwise it doesn't matter much, what you use, because you're using MS3.5 most of the time.
You have to manually disable HTC Sense. Without third party applications they don't work well together.
I use tfd detacher to switch between them, but the downside is that it uses a lot of resources.
HTC Sense looks nicer but MS3.5 is more flexible and efficient when you design the lifestyle screen(s) to your needs.
I haven't tried wm 6.5.
From what I learn about the information of wm 6.5, I don't find anything that worth upgrading. I will stick to wm 6.1.
Feedback
I have installed SBP Mobile Shell 3.5 over my WM 6.1 and it works great .
I like below features of Mobile Shell:
- Multiple pages in home page (placed side by side), which can be used for multiple items in home page.
- Beautiful scrolling/touch.
- Widget features that can be placed anywhere in home page (in all pages).
There are couple of issues too:
- There is NO interface for making calls to a new number.
- We need to use the Luncher - Programs - Phone.
- But the other features of the call window does not work. Like we cant open the call history/contacts etc from that screen
Also refer another similar thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=573320
Thanks.
You can press the call button or you can add the phone as an widget.
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- There is NO interface for making calls to a new number.
- We need to use the Luncher - Programs - Phone.
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Press call send key?
ArtieQ said:
Press call send key?
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Yes I know that and that is what I said in the post.
It does work by pressing the call key or adding the widget of the Phone too.
But the issue is:
- Other functions on the call window (like the opening contacts during call) etc does not work .
I am not sure how offen you open you contacts during a call. Which is NOT possible when you have SBPMS installed . Similarly there are many other issues too.
Thanks.
Indeed the functions on the call menu work only when touchflo3d is activated.
I think the shortcuts go to the actual touchflo3d.
Maybe there is a registry change so you can point them to the actual program and not to the touchflo3d alternative.
My workaround is press Startmenu - Today and from here anywhere you want.
You can read about this problem in the SPB shell forum under Topaz/Rhodium Dailer issue. They know the problem. The question is why is takes so long to come with an answer.
f.canak said:
Indeed the functions on the call menu work only when touchflo3d is activated.
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Yes. That is TRUE. It does work when TF3D is ON.
f.canak said:
You can read about this problem in the SPB shell forum under Topaz/Rhodium Dailer issue. They know the problem. The question is why is takes so long to come with an answer.
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Ohh OK. Thanks for this info. Infact I did a post in their fourum, but no reply yet.
May be we need to wait for 6.5 from HTC for TD2 and may be that will be more user / finger friendly.
But it is sure that it will NOT have the beautiful Multiple Pages in Home Page .
Or a newer version from SBP with a Phone/Call widget similar to default dialer.
PS: also I found the image viewer from camera menu is much better in default WM 6.1 than SBPMS.
Thanks.
Mobile Shell 3.5 is slooooow
I was extremely happy with 3.0 and decided to upgrade to 3.5. I like some of the extra features a lot but I quickly noticed that this eye candy has two major drawbacks:
- My battery drained twice as fast, reminding me of my Diamond 1
- The - otherwise very attractive - GUI is slower; opening the Wireless Manager takes 1.5 seconds and other operations that were very swift before were now slow and shaky
So I reverted to 3.0 (I have build 6501) and things are again what they were before: fast and beautiful!
I don't experience any decrease in speed jumping from 3.0 to 3.5
And my battery life improved
So I guess there must be different effects on different ROMs, settings or other stuff...
I use my WM device for work (currently TOUCH HD), and TASKS is one of the most important things I can think of for a work device.
I currently use SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 which does a wonderful job with tasks (with the tasks widget).
What can one do with the HD2 to be able to work with tasks ?, the option that I heard given was to change a softkey in the main MANILA screen to link for a tasks program, but the big minus here that in order to see your tasks you have to press a button and wait for a program to load, while it is much more convenient and efficient to be able to see your tasks (and appointments) just upon device activation.
To top everything, HTC said they didn't give an option to disable MANILA on the HD2, so I'm not even sure it will be possible to use Mobile Shell 3.5 on that device, and even if someone will find a way to disable MANILA, I'm not sure you will be able to control the device well enough with the capacitive screen...
Without a convenient and effective way to use tasks, the HD2 will become just another leisure device, like the iPhone.
honestly what version of mailla has supported tasks? I cannot remember one that has...
Also the loading time of the tasks app for me is less than 2 seconds on the leo it should be near instant!
Also have they actually cut the tasks app out in which case whats above has been pointless?
Noam23 said:
I use my WM device for work (currently TOUCH HD), and TASKS is one of the most important things I can think of for a work device.
I currently use SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 which does a wonderful job with tasks (with the tasks widget).
What can one do with the HD2 to be able to work with tasks ?, the option that I heard given was to change a softkey in the main MANILA screen to link for a tasks program, but the big minus here that in order to see your tasks you have to press a button and wait for a program to load, while it is much more convenient and efficient to be able to see your tasks (and appointments) just upon device activation.
To top everything, HTC said they didn't give an option to disable MANILA on the HD2, so I'm not even sure it will be possible to use Mobile Shell 3.5 on that device, and even if someone will find a way to disable MANILA, I'm not sure you will be able to control the device well enough with the capacitive screen...
Without a convenient and effective way to use tasks, the HD2 will become just another leisure device, like the iPhone.
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I'm pretty sure it will be possible to use MS 3.5 on HD2, although I understand your point. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if (or should I say when ) someone comes with a solution.
honestly what version of mailla has supported tasks? I cannot remember one that has...
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I think no version. But for those of us who use the phone for work, and hence need tasks, they gave the wonderful option of defeating MANILA and installing a productive UI that support tasks.
Also the loading time of the tasks app for me is less than 2 seconds on the leo it should be near instant!
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It doesn't matter how fast it loads, it will never be as productive as pressing the "ON" key and seeing all your tasks immediately in front of you (HTC understood this need regarding appointments, but not tasks, what imbeciles...).
Moreover, I can guarantee that you will not be able to operate well WM tasks program on the HD2, I can hardly control it well on the HD with a resistive screen and my fingernail.
Noam23 said:
It doesn't matter how fast it loads, it will never be as productive as pressing the "ON" key and seeing all your tasks immediately in front of you (HTC understood this need regarding appointments, but not tasks, what imbeciles...).
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lol but yeh, they dont see them as an important fact to be used, cant be helped really.
Noam23 said:
Moreover, I can guarantee that you will not be able to operate well WM tasks program on the HD2, I can hardly control it well on the HD with a resistive screen and my fingernail.
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Yeh well i have problems on mine and its qvga, i found that adding the start/end times helped alot with finger use, on the front screen at least...
I've been using Pocket Informant since its inception. I'm assuming I'll be able to use it just fine with the HD2. It's all a matter of adjustment.
-Bob-
rebecker said:
I've been using Pocket Informant since its inception. I'm assuming I'll be able to use it just fine with the HD2. It's all a matter of adjustment.
-Bob-
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Again, you provide a solution that requires you to launch a program in order to see your tasks, this is dramatically less efficient than seeing the tasks right on your main screen.
I think we need to face it, MANILA is not productive, never was, never will be. It looks sweet and that's it. If you want to be productive, you won't sacrifice 50% of your main screen for a clock, leave 1 line for appointments, and zero lines for tasks (not to mention the idiotic idea of swiping your fingers miles in order to get to important features of the device, which is inaccurate, leads to errors, and makes it harder to use the device with one hand).
If I wanted a "closed environment" where people decide for me what I want to see and how I want it to be presented, I would have gone with an iPhone. WM devices suppose to be all about customization and free choice, but HTC completely misses the mark here in their desperate try to produce an "iPhone killer".
Noam23 said:
Again, you provide a solution that requires you to launch a program in order to see your tasks, this is dramatically less efficient than seeing the tasks right on your main screen.
I think we need to face it, MANILA is not productive, never was, never will be. It looks sweet and that's it, it's all about eye candy and wow factor. If you want to be productive, you won't sacrifice 50% of your main screen for a clock, leave 1 line for appointments, and zero lines for tasks (not to mention the idiotic idea of swiping your fingers miles in order to get to important features of the device, which is inaccurate, leads to errors, and makes it harder to use the device with one hand).
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I've never had the tasks on my screen even now with Spb MS (MS Tasks are buggy on my TyTN II). So, I guess we all just have different ways of working and different needs in our phone. I actually never had my calendar on the main screen either because I don't want anyone to see at a glance who I was meeting with next (again, an individual requirement based on my job needs).
I believe the items at the bottom of the screen can be cherry-picked (maybe even reordered) for individual preferences.
While I haven't tried this phone, I see no negatives when compared to my 2-year old phone and several positives, including web browsing and speed. And I AM impressed with the eye-candy.
-Bob-
hey noam23
I don't like manila, not only because of tasks but just in general I think that spb ms does a better job of letting you customize.
I'm sure that someone will make it possible to turn it off and/or make it possible to run spb ms. that will be a crucial thing for me for sure.
I'm sure some
Before my Touch Pro went back to be fixed I had SPB set up as a soft key. I can't remember how I did it now but it was perfect for how I wanted it. It would be nice if you could add the SPB icon onto your main screen on the Leo.
So let me get this right: you want to be able to see tasks on your home tab. But Manila doesn't support them and you can't switch it off?
I think I have a solution for you: buy another phone! Simple isn't it?
a better solution is to replace the win6.5 lock screen with s2u2 it will show the tasks as soon as you turn on the phone
THE GRIZZ said:
a better solution is to replace the win6.5 lock screen with s2u2 it will show the tasks as soon as you turn on the phone
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Interesting... the question is how doable is this ?
Is it fact that we will not be able to use SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 on top of manilla??... to get best of both worlds
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I've been using Pocket Informant since its inception. I'm assuming I'll be able to use it just fine with the HD2. It's all a matter of adjustment.
-Bob-
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Me to. I have concerns about PI's usability on a capacitive screen. I use it on an even larger X7500 (albeit at 128 DPi) and it's pretty unworkable without a stylus.
I was going to get a Leo straight away but I think I need to wait for a few reports on how it gets on with these business style applications.
Of course you can disable sense/manila...
You can also use the new MS titanium or nothing at all if you want..
What kind of fool would think that you can't?
then get another phone, pretty simple. i need winmo for work so i couldnt get an iphone, u need tasks for work dont get the leo.
its amazing to me how much people complain about things that arent even out yet
Hmm can't there be a sort of Tasks Widget to be used with the Sense UI?
Why buy another phone? And why a Tasks widget? (the thing discussed is to having tasks ON the home screen(s). 'fards' say that SPBMS will work on HD2 so that is a pretty good solution
I think that when HTC says officially that the new manila was not like the olders and that will be impossible to disable, maybe this manila on hd2 have drivers or software running in background with the multitouch for other programs or so, so I dont think until I see that we will can use MS3.5 or similar as soon as we get the devce