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Why doesn't HTC make the Android OS available for the Blackstone? They just released the HTC Hero (very cool video as well) here:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/gallery.html
and the hardware specs are almost identical as the Blackstone -
HTC should make the ROMs available without direct support and let the XDA community keep it going (for those who want away from WinMobile)
I LOVE my Blackstone (especially with Dutty's ROM) but would prefer an Android based device if possible.
Maybe we should petition HTC to let Android loose for the Blackstone device (at least have access to the Hero ROM for porting)
What do you think??
Thx,
R.Fox
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Why doesn't HTC make the Android OS available for the Blackstone? They just released the HTC Hero (very cool video as well) here:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/gallery.html
and the hardware specs are almost identical as the Blackstone -
HTC should make the ROMs available without direct support and let the XDA community keep it going (for those who want away from WinMobile)
I LOVE my Blackstone (especially with Dutty's ROM) but would prefer an Android based device if possible.
Maybe we should petition HTC to let Android loose for the Blackstone device (at least have access to the Hero ROM for porting)
What do you think??
Thx,
R.Fox
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I don't think a petition would make much difference, people will still go out and buy HTC devices, so why should they change?
Also, HTC are aware of sites like XDA and know it would only be a while before a version compatible for the HD was created....so why should they do it?
I'm with you though. I wish the support HTC provided for existing customers equalled Apples who offer free upgrades etc
Android on Touch HD
If the specs of the HD and Hero are so similar, then surely it is possible just to port the OS over, as is? It is Open Source after all. It doesn't need HTC's permission for us to put it there. And as for support, surely the Android community in partnership with XDA-D would be enough?
porting a rom from a device with 3 times as small native res would be some feat
Hello,
first of all, I am new here and must say - really great work here!
Touch HD vs. Hero:
OK the specifications are almost the same, almost! Hero has multitouch, this is a step against Touch HD! Touch HD has the better resolution, if I am not wrong.
Windows against Android (inc. Sens): If I look on the new Hero product tour on htc - great - I want quite clearly Android! However, I am confident that this will be available on Touch HD... sooner or later, official or unofficial!
Android
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porting a rom from a device with 3 times as small native res would be some feat
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Ah yes, forgot that difference!
Fallen Spartan said:
I don't think a petition would make much difference, people will still go out and buy HTC devices, so why should they change?
Also, HTC are aware of sites like XDA and know it would only be a while before a version compatible for the HD was created....so why should they do it?
I'm with you though. I wish the support HTC provided for existing customers equalled Apples who offer free upgrades etc
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Unfortunately there is a slight flaw with that. The new device creation along with inherent new OS and/or Software allows companies to diversify their wares to a much larger extent than Apple. Whilst Apple, as I agree, manage to keep their users up to date with the latest and greatest they produce, the breadth of what they produce is sadly lacking.
It's a trade off and as anything comes down to money and a business model.
it's not hard to figure why
its a business and about making money
plain and simple
Is it just me or have the major players in the Touch HD ROM Section given up and moved onto newer handsets now? Miri, Dutty etc...
I am also thinking in the same way as you, no body is contributing much toward the HD now a days. At least Android is required for our HDs to enjoy it a little further.
i think they have but it doesnt matter because every chef as multiple good roms to use for daily base
and some are upgraded to newest things that still are in beta but work quite well on oure blackstones
and its quiet from htc/windows side
Duttythroy doesn't post on XDA anymore. He moved to a new website http://htcpedia.com/
On thuesday he released his latest ROM, the "Duttys HD WM6.5 Leo R3". Haven't tried though
Dutty's new rom is nice enough Miri is on vacation until Monday & promises new roms from the newer builds.
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Is it just me or have the major players in the Touch HD ROM Section given up and moved onto newer handsets now? Miri, Dutty etc...
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well (sadly 4 us ) many of the good devs have multiple devices, and since HTC is puching out like 5 devices each year or more, its natural the would upgrade, myself feel an urge, been looking at the hero, but i am afraid the android launch will leave me bored from not being able to flash in the same way i think miri have a rhodium, i know dutty have a topaz and so on, so since the rhodium and topaz owners can benefit more, i think we lose out some but hey, the HD is getting quite old anyway so maybe we should all just move on
that new LEO device with 1gig processor seem very attractive.....
Where is onkolg?
my guess is our dev are waiting for the official release of wm6.5!
patience guiessssssssssss!!
btw i dont want to move on! THD form factor is perfect. no other phone would be an "upgrade" for me right now
imranmaz said:
patience guiessssssssssss!!
btw i dont want to move on! THD form factor is perfect. no other phone would be an "upgrade" for me right now
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Maybe a Touch HD 2
Throy is still extremely active on the HD. He's just released R4 Leo. Miri is currently on holiday and still active, as are NRG to name a few. So its not over yet!
Throy only has the Touch HD & Touch Diamond 2, think I'll wait and see where all the big names go before I make a decision on what device to choose. For the time being I'm content
To each his own, but for me personally, the only thing I can consider an upgrade would be the Leo. I'm a flashing junky and it saddens me that I have to keep a rom for longer than a week, but all my fave devs aren't releasing new ones as often as they used. Oh well... I guess I better get a girlfriend to partially fill this void
but i guess roms calm down once there is a sable wm build and touchflo.
i really want to see leaks of wm7... i think i'm going to keep my HD for another year then move to LEO 2
I guess people get bored when the phone has been around for some years, I got pretty bored of my Diamond very fast, 2 months after I bought it I bought a Topaz.
Even if the HD is old and outdated (I HATE Manila 2.5/2.6, I won't upgrade for a long time) it's still a great phone to listen to music and watch movies on. It got everything I would ask for except a camera flash.
In addition to that ... what NEWER devices they could move to ? Come on, HD is the best Until Leo comes at least
kwbr
Hey guys, dont forget kwbr!
This guy is still regularly turning out what is, in my opinion at any rate, some of the best ROMs for the HD.
(check it out for yourselves - ROM name = Topix)
LL
I think onkolog might be caught up with studying for the boards (medical licensing) or in internship.
You just have to have patience. A lot of chefs throw out roms quite consistently, but once their roms become stable, output slows. This is enevitable until another build is leaked.
Do someone know when HTC will give out a new htc hd (blackstone) rom? maybe with colour Manila TAB. or something like that.
Because the stock rom is the fastest and most stabile ROM, I think! BUT not a pretty ROM, like the Manila 2.5 and W6.5**. It just need a OVERHAUL!
I think we can have W6.1 with... Manila 2.4 maybe hehe. not as fancy but cooler then Manila 2.1
LET's press the HTC, because they think everyone ****t money to buy a new device every month or week!
im happy with my HTC HD, but i think HTC has forget about us old-device-user! and they come out with upgrade to other "new" devices, but i want somthing to, somthing cool. and if xda and our worlds best developers can, then the htc company with the tecnologi can do it to! wtf i think, crapy done by htc! i have sent 1000 of mails too them and they keep say " dont know" then why do u work at support for god f###.. or? feks. the stock HD ROM have the ugly keybord, i want the new one on a stock rom.. so!
Sorry for my english =P but u guys understand what i meen!
Good Luck with that - Whilst I share your frustration that those who keep faith with Stock ROMs aren't rewarded with updates, the fact is that with the sheer amount of devices that HTC currently release year on year, the odds that some of it's back catalogue will get any such update are quite small.
I eventually gave in and flashed an XDA/Cooked ROM.
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I eventually gave in and flashed an XDA/Cooked ROM.
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Me too ....... I really would appreciate some stock rom, that would have qualities of Duttys rom with Co0kie Home Tab and CHTEditor versatility.
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Me too ....... I really would appreciate some stock rom, that would have qualities of Duttys rom with Co0kie Home Tab and CHTEditor versatility.
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thats what I really mean!! Stock rom with qualities of our chief would be the best for HTC HD Cheers!
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Good Luck with that - Whilst I share your frustration that those who keep faith with Stock ROMs aren't rewarded with updates, the fact is that with the sheer amount of devices that HTC currently release year on year, the odds that some of it's back catalogue will get any such update are quite small.
I eventually gave in and flashed an XDA/Cooked ROM.
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I have flashed xda cooked ROM, but our chiefs have stoped building ROMS with WM6.1, and manilla 2.1. And I prefer the speed and the stability of the WM6.1 and manilla 2.1.
Answer is no, and that is just the nature of business
There are too many new devices out there that they are focusing on (and still have issues), just to name a few, HD2, Nexus One, Desire...
Actually I don't mind them doing so, but at least make it easier for outsiders to access info on older chipsets (MSM), which to me is the main hurdle to maximize performance on the phones.
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Answer is no, and that is just the nature of business
There are too many new devices out there that they are focusing on (and still have issues), just to name a few, HD2, Nexus One, Desire...
Actually I don't mind them doing so, but at least make it easier for outsiders to access info on older chipsets (MSM), which to me is the main hurdle to maximize performance on the phones.
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ok, ur right now as i thinking, but.. WHY! do everyone want WM6.5? is stil laggy after some use, at the begining its WOW cool and fast, stable, but after 2-3 weeks its starts to be slow. so, why not make the 6.1 even better and faster + new design ( manila 2.5) tabs? the rest dont have to be as "cool" as htc hd2 (leo) i allways use the kwbr topix rom, but im dont going from his rom topix 3.5 wwe =D anyway, his new rom topix 3.6 or somthing, is it wm 6.1 or 6.5? heh
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ok, ur right now as i thinking, but.. WHY! do everyone want WM6.5? is stil laggy after some use, at the begining its WOW cool and fast, stable, but after 2-3 weeks its starts to be slow. so, why not make the 6.1 even better and faster + new design ( manila 2.5) tabs? the rest dont have to be as "cool" as htc hd2 (leo) i allways use the kwbr topix rom, but im dont going from his rom topix 3.5 wwe =D anyway, his new rom topix 3.6 or somthing, is it wm 6.1 or 6.5? heh
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u know why? because it takes effort to do software development, you need more people to support two platforms than one. It would have been nice if htc just upgrade/tweak manila 2.1 to 2.5. but from general use, you know that's not the case, as they behave differently (functionality is the same).
So why is this decision made? Could be many reasons, maybe feature, flexibility wise, 2.1 is just not good enough for the future, who knows?
For sure htc is not going to work on 2.1 & 2.5 to acheive the same goal, even though its for different phones, sadly in this industry the upgrade cycle is 6 months to 1 year (just like computers). I am not try to bash on the company, but take a guess which htc phone is at top quality in user experience (hardware & software) at release, and have good upgrades/support after 2 years. When you hang around xda long enough, you will know
ok, i understand now! HTC HD is dead. the company is thinkig about new phones. but if ill buy HTC Desire HD, do i have to keep installing coocked rom's frome here? The HTC Desire is not getting the "new" htc sense, ( htcsense.com) why? its so lalala stupid, look at the xp,vista and win 7. only new design, but u still have internett explorer and other stuff, i dont care about the design, only about nice updats.
thats why i dont like htc loonger, the forget about our phone after 5 months.
Pff, it's useless asking for updates for old HTC devices. They launch a dozen of phones every year. Their goal is to sell the new devices and earn money, not update the old ones for free. I use HTC Touch HD and i haven't seen any official updates on their site, except for some bug fixes and an official ROM which does nothing more than my preinstalled ROM. Haven't checked the updates for other HTC devices, but it's obviously they didn't give a damn about HTC Touch HD immediately after its release.
Hi guys,
I might buy a HD2 and I want to do everything that a current DHD or DesireZ can do. So keeping this in mind what are things that I shouldnt expect from HD2 ?
Does it delivers every thing that a nexus one /desire/DZ/DHD deliver ?
I wanted to buy DHD... But its not available in US. Its quite expensive also. And no other options for 4.3 Inch screen
Thanks, Help me decide whether or not to buy this phone as an altenative for desire Z/Desire HD
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Hi guys,
I might buy a HD2 and I want to do everything that a current DHD or DesireZ can do. So keeping this in mind what are things that I shouldnt expect from HD2 ?
Does it delivers every thing that a nexus one /desire/DZ/DHD deliver ?
I wanted to buy DHD... But its not available in US. Its quite expensive also. And no other options for 4.3 Inch screen
Thanks, Help me decide whether or not to buy this phone as an altenative for desire Z/Desire HD
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I don't quite understand what you're asking. You're asking for help with a decision, but from what I'm reading, there is only one option?
To answer your more obvious question, I believe development for DHD/DHZ has stagnated, and the only thing it's missing is the camera. Not sure when/if devs will finish that. The Evo, desire, and nexus builds are pretty much 100% done though
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If you're in the US, why don't you buy an Evo? I'm sure the new Sense will be ported to it (if it hasn't been already).
If you want the ability to switch between Windows Mobile and different Android builds, get the HD2.
If you want a native Android phone with similar (not the same though, before the pedants flame me) hardware to the HD2 get the Desire.
If you want a more up dated similar Android phone get the Desire HD.
If you want a hardware keyboard get the Z.
Thats pretty much it sport
Thanks
Coming to a conclusion that this phone is not a pure native android phone
Its better I w8 for Nexus S or go with DHD
As a TMOUS user I would just get the Desire HD if it was my first phone and I had the upgrade option. But I didnt, so I wanted the next best thing, a phone I could convert into a Desire HD, which was the HD2. I found one new in the box on craigs list for $250 and shelled out. Studied up on modding it and made it look like the Desire HD.
I'm also a TMOUS user and found one of craigslist for under 200. Until they come out with a new 4.3 android phone, this will be it for me. I don't get the data drops and the only issue I come across is the 10 second lag in autorotate with the touchscreen. I'll take that. If the Desire HD (or comparable) ever comes to the US that's what I will move to
Looks like camera fix is available on Desire HD builds now....
what you shouldn't expect a droid hd2...prefection.some builds are still WIP or some bugs not resolved.
then we have the nand camp who wants droid on their fone,wiping out winmo completely.this is still WIP.and still some impt issues not resolved.
other than that,hd2 is pretty impressive even with stock winmo.not that much of a diff between dhd other than a updated hardware.
if you like cutomising the hell out of ur fone but lack the money,go for hd2.you get spoilt to booting winmo cooked rom or droid builds available in the forums.
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Coming to a conclusion that this phone is not a pure native android phone
Its better I w8 for Nexus S or go with DHD
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I dont know how you don't know that? It's a windows mobile 6.5 phone. How can a windows phone be a pure native android phone? If you are looking for a phone that can do exactly what a DHD or a Desire Z, you would have to get one of those phones as no other phone currently runs the new htc sense. The closest phone to a DHD or a Desire Z in US is an EVO 4G.
Sorry to create a new thread, this is my last one in HD2 Section.
I am happy with my hd2 from the last 11months and in last 6 months I am habituated to test builds and even tried to make builds on my own but ofcourse failed. Usually, I won't stick with a mobile for more than 3 months.
But this Mobile has different OS and it was a powerful one. Now I am fed up with testing Android builds and their stability, battery etc. So I want to use a native Android phone and so I am going to purchase DesireHD with a stock Android rom and I need to concentrate on my studies other than concentrating on XDA and my mobile.
Thanks for all the Developers in HD2 section, especially Cotulla for Android and WP7 on our HD2, Mdeejay but we're missing him a lot , hope he will be back soon and finally Imilka who is currently replacing the work of Mdeejay.
Bye!
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I agree with you. the HD2 has been awesome with the support of the XDA community!
Yea I love the hell out of my hd2 but can't wait to get a native android phone aka htc pyramud.
yeah, HD2 is not for the faint of heart...
HTC Pyramid, here I come..
any pyramid news?
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HTC Pyramid, here I come..
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i love the hd2 but I am really want a native android device as well. Do you have any other sites or info on the pyramid? i am not happy with the t-mo offering so I will be switching to the mythical device should it actually appear.
yah but finding a 4.3in. screen with 4 different OS is gonna be hard. even the best native android phone with stock sense isgonna b slow compared to hd2
"When i die i wanna be buried face down......so everyone that doesnt like me can KISS MY ASS" - Red Forman
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yah but finding a 4.3in. screen with 4 different OS is gonna be hard. even the best native android phone with stock sense isgonna b slow compared to hd2
"When i die i wanna be buried face down......so everyone that doesnt like me can KISS MY ASS" - Red Forman
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Completely agree... also DesireHD is not even close to HD2... especially if you talk about battery life...
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yah but finding a 4.3in. screen with 4 different OS is gonna be hard. even the best native android phone with stock sense isgonna b slow compared to hd2
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And do you know why they are slower compared to the HD2? Cuz the stock rom hasn't been tweaked to their fullest... While for the HD2, we have our custom roms roms tweaked to the fullest for maximum user satisfaction.
Now when a true android device is flashed with a custom rom, it is also, or atleast should be, tweaked to the fullest. And when that device is on its custom rom, it flies well beyond where our HD2's stopped and fell.
Now i'm not saying our HD2's aren't great for android, heck it is. But people, don't get ahead of yourself and start thinking it's as good or even better than a true 1ghz android device, heck the desire z, at it's 800mhz is better.
My mytouch 4g has more ram, therefore less lag. But I still bought an hd2. Simply for a 4.3" android device on tmous
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And do you know why they are slower compared to the HD2? Cuz the stock rom hasn't been tweaked to their fullest... While for the HD2, we have our custom roms roms tweaked to the fullest for maximum user satisfaction.
Now when a true android device is flashed with a custom rom, it is also, or atleast should be, tweaked to the fullest. And when that device is on its custom rom, it flies well beyond where our HD2's stopped and fell.
Now i'm not saying our HD2's aren't great for android, heck it is. But people, don't get ahead of yourself and start thinking it's as good or even better than a true 1ghz android device, heck the desire z, at it's 800mhz is better.
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+1... completely agree there. A lot of people here didn't seem to understand that when they were always posting how the HD2 is faster than native devices... they were comparing a rooted, tweaked device to an unrooted, stock device, and thought it was a fair comparison. And many acted like other phones didn't have their own forums with custom roms and tweaks, and ports of other android phones.
If I just used Android, I would definitely love to get a native phone... but since I've been dualbooting WP7 and Android, I am going to have a very hard time deciding what new phone to get. Right now, Android is definitely capable of more, but seeing what's in store for WP7, and seeing how quickly the homebrew community is taking apart WP7 and learning to tweak and hack it, I know WP7 will catch up quick. I wouldn't be able to decide between to 2... I actually kinda prefer using WP7 as my day to day OS, but there are still too many limitations to completely stick with wp7. I can't play my psx or snes games on wp7, there's no good navigation, and many other things that are missing still. I also love being able to customize my android homescreens. So at this point I like them both about equally, and use them both about the same amount... so I'm gonna be sticking with my HD2 for a while longer... probably at least until the end of the year and I can see where each OS is at and see what hardware is available then. I'm really hoping that they start porting android to WP7 devices, so hopefully I can get a next generation device at some point that can run both OS's again... but it will probablt be a long time, if ever, that we see a device that gets modded and hacked like the HD2 did. The HD2 was a very unique device... there was never a phone that got modded as much and probably never will be again, unfortunately.
Kind of feel the same way I love testing out different Roms for the HD2 and love the screen size but I want to play around with a Native Android phone (Samsung Galaxy S 4G) to see whats its all about plus it would be nice to finally be able to charge a phone while its turned off. Im stilling going to keep my HD2 though I still feel like its one of the top phones out.
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Kind of feel the same way I love testing out different Roms for the HD2 and love the screen size but I want to play around with a Native Android phone (Samsung Galaxy S 4G) to see whats its all about plus it would be nice to finally be able to charge a phone while its turned off. Im stilling going to keep my HD2 though I still feel like its one of the top phones out.
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dont be in any hurry. you really are not missing much. those samsung android phones do have an amazing screen though. just saying that if you are going to upgrade, make sure whatever you are getting is a worthy upgrade. flashing these custom roms and trying to find the "perfect" and "flawless" android build for our hd2's can be annoying at times but its doable..
but i guarantee, like most of us you want the most out of your device and you will end up rooting and flash custom roms on your new android smartphone just like you do now. and like many, you will also run into problems and those custom roms will always not be the most stable... just like some of these android roms for the hd2...
if you are on tmobile i would try to wait it out. see what the pyramid is all about and what other android smartphone will come out for tmo. the build quality alone makes the hd2 on a different level than most smartphones out there.
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Sorry to create a new thread, this is my last one in HD2 Section.
I am happy with my hd2 from the last 11months and in last 6 months I am habituated to test builds and even tried to make builds on my own but ofcourse failed. Usually, I won't stick with a mobile for more than 3 months.
But this Mobile has different OS and it was a powerful one. Now I am fed up with testing Android builds and their stability, battery etc. So I want to use a native Android phone and so I am going to purchase DesireHD with a stock Android rom and I need to concentrate on my studies other than concentrating on XDA and my mobile.
Thanks for all the Developers in HD2 section, especially Cotulla for Android and WP7 on our HD2, Mdeejay but we're missing him a lot , hope he will be back soon and finally Imilka who is currently replacing the work of Mdeejay.
Bye!
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
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u could give hyperdroid by pongster a shot.. its really very stable and smooth as well as fast.. definitely a daily use build..
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u could give hyperdroid by pongster a shot.. its really very stable and smooth as well as fast.. definitely a daily use build..
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I am using Imilka's glacier sense 1.3 from the last 25 days exactly from Feb3. I don't find any other build stable and better than this with sense even colourful. Thank you! I will try
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
This is truely an amazing phone, intending to keep it till the end of the year, then going for the pyramid probably, or another smartphone with Android.
But ye, again, great phone.
Got my new DesireHD, rooted and now its with Gingerbread sense 2.1
Pretty happy in upgrading from HD2
I can see a lot difference in performance on DesireHD
Very Thankful to all the Android developers.
Sent from my Desire HD
Htc hd2 is the best at least till now
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Kind of feel the same way I love testing out different Roms for the HD2 and love the screen size but I want to play around with a Native Android phone (Samsung Galaxy S 4G) to see whats its all about plus it would be nice to finally be able to charge a phone while its turned off. Im stilling going to keep my HD2 though I still feel like its one of the top phones out.
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Yeah man i wanna do that also someday, not now No Budget!
However, we can charge our phone when they are OFF with Magldr 1.11!
Last week my battery died so i freaked out hearing/reading that it wont charge etc... I plugged it for about 4 or 5 hrs and then i switched it on and SURPRISE!! It booted and had 60% battery!
Only minor issue is that you will have to unplug-replug the battery!
i think it is about 6-7 monthes before the hd2 forum is empty like all old phones , but it was the best phone i've ever had , and won't upgrade untill a similar htc phone is released , The only thing i'll be sad about is you xda developrs and hd2 community , we will be distributed among different phons and forums