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Hi everyone -
Based on some of the reports out there, such as the Boy Genius review, it sounds like the US (CDMA) version has some improvements over the GSM version, specifically the build quality of the slider and a better keyboard. I'm in the US but want the GSM version (I use AT&T) and am thinking of getting an import.
Given the delay in availablility, my guess is the US/CDMA version was designed and built after the GSM version, so they may have made some production tweaks. Anyone know if those same tweaks are showing up in the GSM model? If not I may just get the CDMA model, even with that stupid attached flappy thing.
Thanks!
Mike
landshark said:
Hi everyone -
Based on some of the reports out there, such as the Boy Genius review, it sounds like the US (CDMA) version has some improvements over the GSM version, specifically the build quality of the slider and a better keyboard. I'm in the US but want the GSM version (I use AT&T) and am thinking of getting an import.
Given the delay in availablility, my guess is the US/CDMA version was designed and built after the GSM version, so they may have made some production tweaks. Anyone know if those same tweaks are showing up in the GSM model? If not I may just get the CDMA model, even with that stupid attached flappy thing.
Thanks!
Mike
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i suggest u wait because even if they are producing gsm shifts with the new improvments then it will take a while till they trickle down to the shops. plus the wait will also allow the price to go down.
Pawel062 said:
i suggest u wait because even if they are producing gsm shifts with the new improvments then it will take a while till they trickle down to the shops. plus the wait will also allow the price to go down.
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have you ever seen the price of HTC product lowering down ?
I wish the shift could get the price lowered ... will see !
koala996 said:
have you ever seen the price of HTC product lowering down ?
I wish the shift could get the price lowered ... will see !
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yes but i ment on the online shops. the touch cruise used to be over 800 new. not its about 700 new. shift will be same. u might see it soon going on ebay for about 1400-1500.
WAIT???? But I want it NOW!!!!
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Thanks for the replies! Yeah, I know I should wait, but I was hoping someone would say all was well and the changes had already trickled down. If I wait, I'll probably end up with an Asus EEE 900.....<grin>
Mike
Why wait?
If you want one now, just get it.
And get the one you want, the GSM model.
A few weeks ago (at the UMPC Portal meeting after CeBIT) I had a chance to hold and play a little with a UK model (what you'd probably go for).
This was the most solidly built UMPC (actually, the Asus R2E felt similar but is a completely different type) that I had layed hands on yet (and on that day I held quite a few) and I can't imagine that any improvements that they might or might not have made to the CDMA model would really be significant. The sliding mechanism worked very well, although I must admit you needed both hands to close it. To me this is no issue taking the size of the Shift into account. It is not a 3" phone that I'd expect to operate with one hand. With the way I would use the Shift in mind I actually prefer it to be a little "sturdier".
If the sliding mechanism on the CDMA model in the review really was more "loose", this could also point to production variations or some people probably would even interprete this as an (insignificantly) lower build quality oft that version .
If you should be interested in an opinion of the build quality of the German version (released last week), wait another day, I will pick MY Shift up from the post office tomorrow.
By the way, something else to consider: The GSM model does not have the case bolted on. It is really ridiculous that somebody at the FCC thought this would protect users from too much radiation Probably HTC should add a roll of aluminum foil to the package - one can make wonderful hats from that
Completely agree with the last post. My Shift is very sturdy and build quality is superb, sliding action is firm but smooth, just how you'd want it.
landshark said:
Hi everyone -
Based on some of the reports out there, such as the Boy Genius review, it sounds like the US (CDMA) version has some improvements over the GSM version, specifically the build quality of the slider and a better keyboard. I'm in the US but want the GSM version (I use AT&T) and am thinking of getting an import.
Given the delay in availablility, my guess is the US/CDMA version was designed and built after the GSM version, so they may have made some production tweaks. Anyone know if those same tweaks are showing up in the GSM model? If not I may just get the CDMA model, even with that stupid attached flappy thing.
Thanks!
Mike
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I talked to tech support today about an wifi issue. I have an import gsm
He told me in May the shift will be in US in both cdma and a unlocked gsm version. He had a unlocked gsm US version himself while on the phone with me.
Also said the US gsm version has an updated ROM than what my import gsm version has and includes telanav on both the cdma and gsm.
will not have a built in gps reciever, will triangulate position off cell towers
I am aware that the Rogers version of the Magic will work fine with AT&T but I really want an unbranded version. Where can I get the unbranded with 850/1900 3G US frequencies? I am ready to buy either one but want to see prices on the unbranded before I jump to the Rogers. Anyone want to offer suggestions? Anyone got one to sell?
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I am aware that the Rogers version of the Magic will work fine with AT&T but I really want an unbranded version. Where can I get the unbranded with 850/1900 3G US frequencies? I am ready to buy either one but want to see prices on the unbranded before I jump to the Rogers. Anyone want to offer suggestions? Anyone got one to sell?
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I think the Rogers is your only route. Its the one i have; and really if you're gonna be rooting and changing the ROM's theres no way to tell it was ever a Rogers branded device, albiet from the Rogers logo on the back cover.
You can buy new battery covers that will replace the one with the "Roger's" name. If you're in the U.S. ever single T-Mobile store will have a variety of choices to choose from. They are for the myTouch but it's the same case The front of the Roger's phone doesn't say Rogers, instead it says HTC.
I went to the tmo store yesterday and got a "skull" battery cover (for $20!!!) and tried it on before leaving the mall, in seeing that it didnt fit quite right, iI returned it. If you have a Rogers Magic, it wont fit. That is if you're wiling to strip or break the plastic slides jamming it on. Sad. I was looking forward to leeching off the Tmo launch of the less capable myTouch...
Oh no! I had no idea. Why is the mytouch a lesser phone? Does it not have 288mb of ram?
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Oh no! I had no idea. Why is the mytouch a lesser phone? Does it not have 288mb of ram?
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Read around, it only has 192mb of RAM and is not rootable yet either.
not lesser just crippled.
Clinton
Oh wow, I just assumed that since it was a new released phone here in the US it would at least be the same specs as the Roger's version. Looks like I assumed wrong
Oh so lonely...
There is nobody...
Who owns this phone...
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Oh so lonely...
There is nobody...
Who owns this phone...
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Where does CDMA stand for?
Code division multiple access
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDMA
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=learn+to+search
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=learn+to+search
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Bloody hilarious, mate
Is the newly leaked VZW xv6975 classified as a Topaz even though it's got a bigger screen than the Touch Diamond 2 sold outside the US?
If so, it shouldn't be lonely here much longer.
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Is the newly leaked VZW xv6975 classified as a Topaz even though it's got a bigger screen than the Touch Diamond 2 sold outside the US?
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Good question.
I am looking for answers too.
See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=561963
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Good question.
I am looking for answers too.
See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=561963
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If you're looking for answers.... Try HERE<-----CLICK THE LINK.....TONS OF TOPAZ CDMA INFO!!!
I know sprint had the diamond are they gonna get this one 2? not that it matters cuz i left sprint just i am just wondering
Thanks tom, but that doesn't really provide the answers...
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Thanks tom, but that doesn't really provide the answers...
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But google is the best place to start.... There aren't many topaz cdma users, so you must search the web to find content. I have looked for you guys to no avail.... There just aren't enough people using it yet.
Google.. yeah.. been there, done that..
I could also be the Leo.. seen here
Really it's Whitestone
Actually, it looks like Verizon will be using HTC's Whitestone platform in lieu of Topaz (http://www.wmexperts.com/verizon-imagio-whitestone-rumored-oct-6). It's been rumored that Sprint will be using Whitesone to replace the Diamond instead of Topaz.
Yes, we know that.. but we are tyrinig to figure out what the Whitestone actually is.
Is it a platform unto itself? is it a Blackstone? is it a Leo?
I think Whitestone is a code name for CDMA version of the Topaz. And the only reason it didn't get the Topaz name is because it actually has a bigger screen....so it needed a new coded name.
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I think Whitestone is a code name for CDMA version of the Topaz. And the only reason it didn't get the Topaz name is because it actually has a bigger screen....so it needed a new coded name.
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Isn't it called HTC Warhawk?
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Isn't it called HTC Warhawk?
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No...Warhawk is AT&T's code name for their US GSM Diamond 2 which will carry the name Pure when it is released. And Fortress is AT&T's code name for thier US GSM Touch Pro 2 which will carry the name Tilt2 whe it is released.
I know this is all very confusing especially when different phones that appear similar actually have different code names. But some of them are really just derived variations of an original other model.
So in essence a Topaz is a Diamond 2 (we all know this)...but a Whitestone is just a CDMA version of the Topaz with a larger screen. And a Warhawk is a Topaz or Diamond 2 with US GSM bands (and international bands) for AT&T.
I guess because the Whitestone actually represents a considerable differentiation in screen size from the original Topaz is why it deserved to have its own separate code name hence Whitestone instead of also being a Topaz. But now that we realize this I think it is okay to sort of consider the Whitestone as a mutated Topaz instead of a completely different generation device.
Recap: CDMA Topaz = CDMA Diamond 2 = Whitestone = Imagio
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So in essence a Topaz is a Diamond 2 (we all know this)...but a Whitestone is just a CDMA version of the Topaz with a larger screen. And a Warhawk is a Topaz or Diamond 2 with US GSM bands (and international bands) for AT&T.
I guess because the Whitestone actually represents a considerable differentiation in screen size from the original Topaz is why it deserved to have its own separate code name hence Whitestone instead of also being a Topaz. But now that we realize this I think it is okay to sort of consider the Whitestone as a mutated Topaz instead of a completely different generation device.
Recap: CDMA Topaz = CDMA Diamond 2 = Whitestone = Imagio
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Ok... two more questions just to clarify... 1. Will the GSM version of the Topaz (Warkhawk) for AT&T have the same size screen of the Whitestone? 2. Will AT&T's version also support MediaFLO and have a similar kick-stand antenna like the Verizon Whitestone (Imagio)?
EDIT: Another question 3. Given that the Imagio is also a US Quad-band GSM phone, if it were unlocked, would I be able to use it with AT&T's wireless network and still somehow get the V-Cast service using MediaFLO?
See youtube videos of the Verizon Imagio below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHvihCUXqIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6awsDeRVM_0&feature=player_embedded#
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Ok... two more questions just to clarify... 1. Will the GSM version of the Topaz (Warkhawk) for AT&T have the same size screen of the Whitestone? 2. Will AT&T's version also support MediaFLO and have a similar kick-stand antenna like the Verizon Whitestone (Imagio)?
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The AT&T Pure (Warhawk) will have a 3.2 inch screen
I'm not sure (I haven't read it anywhere) if MediaFLO will be included. My bet is that it doesn't. And according to the leaked picture today on WMexperts I don't see a kickstand so perhaps the answer is no antenna and no MediaFLO. I suggest investing in a Slingbox instead of paying for MediaFLO.
See pictures here:
http://www.wmexperts.com/att-pure-real-live-and-flesh
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EDIT: Another question 3. Given that the Imagio is also a US Quad-band GSM phone, if it were unlocked, would I be able to use it with AT&T's wireless network and still somehow get the V-Cast service using MediaFLO?
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If you can figure a way to unlock it ...which I suspect someone will eventually figure out...then yes it will be able to be used on AT&T's network. But it may be limited to just EDGE and no 3G on AT&T (not saying for sure it won't work on AT&T 3G...just speculating). And as for getting MediaFLO service this will depend on changing the software possibly on the phone to allow you to get a MediaFLO account through AT&T with the software that Verizon puts on it for MediaFLO...both AT&T MediaFLO and Verizon MediaFLO software may or may not be compatible.
Not sure if I answered more questions than I left unanswered but I see where your thinking is taking you...but I still recommend the Slingbox approach and forget the MediaFLO. Perhaps when we start seeing ATSC-M/H finally come out we can have devices with free TV reception.
EDIT: Acually looking at the leaked AT&T Pure picture again more carefully I do see a kickstand !!!! It is hard to see because the kickstand is black but it is there seen very faintly in the picture. So perhaps it is an antenna and does have MediaFLO capability!
So... I was just wondering... would it be possible to disassemble the CDMA Hero and put it's parts inside of a GSM Hero casing? I just don't like the CDMA casing that much... and I like the chin on the GSM version.
Any this is possible, but is worth the extreme amount of time & effort, no.
you would be the only guy with a $1,100 dollar hero
(assuming both phones are retail)
there's the motivation right there, almost makes me want one.
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So... I was just wondering... would it be possible to disassemble the CDMA Hero and put it's parts inside of a GSM Hero casing? I just don't like the CDMA casing that much... and I like the chin on the GSM version.
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Not possible. The form factor is not even close. The track ball placement is about ten miles off. The buttons and the trackball are on a separate pcb in the GSM version that is connected to the primary, the CDMA is all on one board.
I like the chin too, when I heard that we were getting the hero, I prayed that they would not change it. My prayers were not answered
I enjoy both form factors, but I did fall in love with and pray on the chinned version. While I've never played with a GSM Hero, but looks to me like the chinless version's buttons are easier to press... the chinned version's look pretty flush but blah.
I also think the chinless version's build quality (again, never played with chinned version) seems a couple notches above our chinless version. blah. ah well, what can you do?
Hey everyone,
(TLDR: go to last paragraph)
I was recently on this part of XDA asking about how to root the HTC Merge. Upon realizing that Verizon is an evil company from hell and that even unlocking its SIM will only allow me to use Edge, I had to give it up to someone who could use it and take care of it.
Now I'm in a dilemma. I currently use the HTC Fuze (Raphael/Touch Pro) and I truly want to switch to android really badly. I was looking at the Desire Z, but upon playing with it (Tmo's G2), I realized that I did not like the hinge mechanism and the optical pad mechanism. I played with the G2 for a good hour (well, until the store employees started giving me the stink eye) and I thought I would get used to these quirks, but I didn't.
So finally, the question is, if you could not get the G2 or Desire Z and want to get a phone as close to it as possible to it on a GSM network, what would your choice be?
Cheers!
Wait for dual core phones.
Nothing, that's why I have it. There's not really any other decent options with a hardware keyboard. The hinge isn't bad once you realize it wasn't designed to be stiff, and I *rarely* use the optical trackpad (like, maybe once a month, other than to wake/unlock).
I knew the hinge was not designed to be stiff. I had issues with it because playing with it, i happen to flp the hinge close on my fingers a few times because of the movement of handling the z. BUT, I must stress this, this is nothing but my opinion and my quirks so I am in no way shape or form saying the desire Z sucks.
The Mytouch 4g is similar spec wise but lacks a hardware keyboard. It also runs a sense ui rom but you can change that of course if you plan on rooting the phone. Another option is the Mytouch Slide 3g. I just upgraded mine to the G2 but the slide is still a nice phone. It isn't as high end as the g2, but I found it runs well and did most of what I wanted it to. It's keyboard slides straight up and down, it doesn't pop out in anyway. It does also have an optical trackpad but I got used to it (I came from a G1 with a trackball). It can do flash lite but it needs to be on a sense rom to do so. You can probably find one for $150-$200 on craigslist or ebay. I'd recommend the G2 over the slide but if the keyboard really irks you then maybe check out the slide.
I think the best alternative to the G2 is the MyTouch 4G. It has a front-facing camera, which is a nice feature.
Also I just saw the Cliq 2. Didn't look to much into it but it looks like a high end keyboard android phone.
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I knew the hinge was not designed to be stiff. I had issues with it because playing with it, i happen to flp the hinge close on my fingers a few times because of the movement of handling the z. BUT, I must stress this, this is nothing but my opinion and my quirks so I am in no way shape or form saying the desire Z sucks.
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1) the ones in the store get mistreated by everyone who comes in.
2) the ones in the store are connected to a spring loaded tether.
3) the ones in the store get mistreated by everyone who comes in.
ahah yes i know dhkr, but because it gets mistreated by everyone who comes in, it gives an indication of how the phone will perform years down the line.
and yeah, that tether is a massive pain the rear.
Unfortunately, if you want a hardware keyboard, your options are extremely limited, no matter what carrier you're looking at.
If the keyboard isn't a factor, the MyTouch 4G isn't *bad* (my wife has one), but it's significantly more plasticky than the G2. Of course there's the Vibrant /4G, but I personally don't care for Samsung's smartphones. They're typically way too plasticky, and they have horrid post-sale support (witness the lack of Froyo for the Galaxy S line, for instance).
What about the Vision variant that has a slide instead of the Z hinge?
HTC Vision? I still haven't seen it. If it's the same specs, i'll take a gander at it.
EDIT: I thought the Vision is the Desire Z (hinge and all) I was never aware of a variant that is a slide out.
you could get the Cliq 2, but you probably won't get much xda support.
yeah, the cliq 2 is interesting but motoblur is the ultimate deal breaker. I think I'll just have to get the Desire Z. I heard the European version does not support 3G on american bands, so if i want full use of the desire Z in both Thailand and the US, i'll have to get the US version right? (the unbranded one I mean, not G2)
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yeah, the cliq 2 is interesting but motoblur is the ultimate deal breaker. I think I'll just have to get the Desire Z. I heard the European version does not support 3G on american bands, so if i want full use of the desire Z in both Thailand and the US, i'll have to get the US version right? (the unbranded one I mean, not G2)
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I don't thing HTC is selling the American Desire Z unlocked. I know that Telus (a Canadian carrier) has the Desire Z and you could buy it unlocked from them. I think Telus and AT&T have the same 3G bands. Or you could get the G2, but the only other carrier with the same 3G bands as T-Mobile US is WIND mobile in Canada.
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What about the Vision variant that has a slide instead of the Z hinge?
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The HTC Merge? that apparently was canceled on Verizon and it's coming to Alltel later.
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I don't thing HTC is selling the American Desire Z unlocked. I know that Telus (a Canadian carrier) has the Desire Z and you could buy it unlocked from them. I think Telus and AT&T have the same 3G bands. Or you could get the G2, but the only other carrier with the same 3G bands as T-Mobile US is WIND mobile in Canada.
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Well, apparently amazon claims that there's a NAM version that is unbranded. I don't trust it too much, but it has a model number and all that is different from the european version. I personally hate having carrier branding on my phone and especially carrier "customization" on it. I was hoping to get my hands on something that I will be able to make full use of in both countries.
besides. the cliq 2 looks like the The Thing (from Fantastic 4) would use.... hahaha
EDIT: Forgot to add. I got my hands on the Merge (the verizon one) for a few days when I tried to get it unlocked, but since I sold it to someone who uses Verizon, I can tell you that I'd take the merge over the Desire Z any day because it was physically the perfect phone for me. The slide out keyboard, the physical looks and the heft of it was perfect for me. Too bad it was for Verizon and you know what Verizon is like.....
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Well, apparently amazon claims that there's a NAM version that is unbranded. I don't trust it too much, but it has a model number and all that is different from the european version. I personally hate having carrier branding on my phone and especially carrier "customization" on it. I was hoping to get my hands on something that I will be able to make full use of in both countries.
besides. the cliq 2 looks like the The Thing (from Fantastic 4) would use.... hahaha
EDIT: Forgot to add. I got my hands on the Merge (the verizon one) for a few days when I tried to get it unlocked, but since I sold it to someone who uses Verizon, I can tell you that I'd take the merge over the Desire Z any day because it was physically the perfect phone for me. The slide out keyboard, the physical looks and the heft of it was perfect for me. Too bad it was for Verizon and you know what Verizon is like.....
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If the Amazon listing is straight from HTC I would trust it. And the Merge looks like a great phone. If only it was on T-Mobile
if it was on Tmobile, i'd snap it up so fast it would look like the road runner is going backwards at lightspeed.
but I still need to make sure I can get the Desire Z that can use 3G in both the US and asia..... is there a way to find that out?
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if it was on Tmobile, i'd snap it up so fast it would look like the road runner is going backwards at lightspeed.
but I still need to make sure I can get the Desire Z that can use 3G in both the US and asia..... is there a way to find that out?
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Which 3G bands are you referring to? If you want Tmobile 3G you have to get the G2. If you want AT&T 3G and international 3G get the AT&T Desire Z.