Today at Sprint store I played the same YouTube video on the Hero and the Pre side by side. The Pre looked great, the Hero had a very low frame rate and poor resolution. I hope someone can tell me something was wrong with the Hero and it is not always like this.
I am seriously considering buying a Hero and have been spending a lot of time at my local Sprint story getting to know it. Today I was trying out flash video on many sites and they all looked bad like I described above. I just assumed the videos had a poor source until I tried a YouTube video on the Pre. It is hard to believe all the reviews I have been seeing of the Hero wouldn't have hammered it for this if it were a common problem.
maybe the reviews didn't hammer it since at the time the choice was 'average flash performance' vs 'no flash at all'... I always watch youtube vids in the You Tube app which plays them smooth as silk, even in HD (with the occasional flutter)
If the need for smooth Flash animations takes precedence over the 1001 other unbelievably high quality aspects of the HTC Hero, then you should probably just buy a Pre like all the other dorks...
The quality of the video on the actual YouTube app is way superior to that you will get going onto the main site via the browser and the HTC Flash player.
Regards,
Dave
I'm not sure if the YouTube app chooses the video quality for you or not based on your connection. But, if the video starts off on low quality, just hit the menu button, choose "more" on the pop-up menu, and then select High Quality. It's crystal clear after that.
Thanks for the replies. I will try to get back to the Sprint store today and try out the video quality options.
How do I know if the video is playing in the YouTube app or not? The video I tried played full screen. Must I navigate there from a separate app than the browser?
Erik
it is true, i did not know that. I usually watched videos through the site. Tried the youtube app on my hero and it is indeed crystal clear. Cool
erikcave said:
Thanks for the replies. I will try to get back to the Sprint store today and try out the video quality options.
How do I know if the video is playing in the YouTube app or not? The video I tried played full screen. Must I navigate there from a separate app than the browser?
Erik
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It is a physically separate app from which you can search/view Youtube videos. It came preloaded on my GSM Hero, so I assume it's still on the Sprint Hero.
If you go to Youtube via the browser, it launches the HTC Flash Player when you try to view a video, and this is quite poor! Thinking about it, I think on the G1 if you were on YouTube in a browser, it would launch any videos via the Youtube app (since it doesn't have a flash player).
Regards,
Dave
It seems the phone should be smart enough to know you are loading YouTube videos and load the YouTube player instead of the HTC Flash Player.
erikcave said:
It seems the phone should be smart enough to know you are loading YouTube videos and load the YouTube player instead of the HTC Flash Player.
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I think the "idea" is that if you have flash, you don't need the YouTube app. Sadly, it's a bad idea!
Regards,
Dave
bboydru said:
I'm not sure if the YouTube app chooses the video quality for you or not based on your connection. But, if the video starts off on low quality, just hit the menu button, choose "more" on the pop-up menu, and then select High Quality. It's crystal clear after that.
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exactly what I do and the quality is awesome, suck that the app wont allow you to choose HD for all videos.
Good advice in this thread and I would like too add I do not miss it Pre one bit. That device has some serious flaws not likely to be addressed for another year. Namely its weak SDK, lack of deep system / hardware access and lack of GPU support. The Pre can't use its own hardware properly much less the lack of options in all of the OS.
Vertig0 said:
exactly what I do and the quality is awesome, suck that the app wont allow you to choose HD for all videos.
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Wait, are you saying you have to do tell it to play high quality every time? That would suck indeed, and would be a serious oversight in functionality.
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erikcave said:
Wait, are you saying you have to do tell it to play high quality every time? That would suck indeed, and would be a serious oversight in functionality.
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Yes you do unless on WiFi. Then I think it automatically goes into high quality mode
Pre vs and youtube
I stoped by a Bell to try a Pre and compared it to my HTC touch on same Bell network, yes picture was great on Pre but it was slow, in fact I gave up waiting for it to load some video as my touch was playing them in half the time. Today at work we had my touch on bell a Touch 2 Pro on Telus and a iPhone on rogers, all playing the same video from You Tube and nothing compared to the touch pro 2 for quality video was HD looking and played without jumping, the IPhone 3gs crashed tohe sound quit working we had to restart it, and it then worked but picture of video was not full screen as the other two had. Big differance was the way they handled buffering the IPhone buffered all at first then played non-stop the other two would play a few seconds then buffer for up to 2 minutes play a few seconds then again buffer. I then played my IPod Touch same video but wifi, again video did not fit all the screen but no buffering and no digitaizing. So all in all a big disapointment with all three networks and their ability to play streaming HD video!
I was at the Sprint store again today and tried to enable high quality, but could never find the setting. I pressed the menu button over and over again while the video was playing, but it never did anything. Also, I intentionally loaded a video via the YouTube App and the quality was still bad. Furthermore I rebooted the device to be sure it wasn't just loaded down with running programs.
Weird
With the video on you press menu > more > watch high quality.
That's what I did. I pushed the menu button next to the trackball and nothing happened. No menu appeared. I also pushed every other button and the touched the screen.
Related
When I go to www.youtube.com in Pocket IE, it automatically re-directs to "m.youtube.com". So far so good - everything comes up including the thumbnails. Click on any thumb and you get the expected screen including "Watch Video". BUT ... clicking on that produces an error screen that says "Running a system command on this item might be unsafe. Do you wish to continue?"
Clicking YES only results is a "rtsp ... 3gp" file can NOT be opened.
So, how did this guy back on June 18, 2007 do it on the Touch as shown in this video ??
http://www.theunwired.net/?itemid=3930
I thought that the Sprint Touch supports 3GPP streaming out-of-the-box ?
streaming media
You need a program called HTC streaming media. Just Google it.
Streaming YouTube on WM6 (Touch included I'd assume)
anywhereanytime said:
When I go to www.youtube.com in Pocket IE, it automatically re-directs to "m.youtube.com". So far so good - everything comes up including the thumbnails. Click on any thumb and you get the expected screen including "Watch Video". BUT ... clicking on that produces an error screen that says "Running a system command on this item might be unsafe. Do you wish to continue?"
Clicking YES only results is a "rtsp ... 3gp" file can NOT be opened.
So, how did this guy back on June 18, 2007 do it on the Touch as shown in this video ??
http://www.theunwired.net/?itemid=3930
I thought that the Sprint Touch supports 3GPP streaming out-of-the-box ?
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This would help
http://ytpocket.com
It's a 2-steps thing:
- Download the TCPMP
- Play Youtube content.
HTH....my 2 cents
second for VTAp. Has videos from all google videos, youtube, and a few other places. Its like connected so its updated the same rate the sites are updated as well. Its just overall great!
i think it s!
is any1 having trouble? i did the ytpocket and when visit youtube on PIE my phone pretty much freezes up...
vTap works great ... thanks for the input !!
vtap is the best that is what im using. works like a charm.
i tried vTap and its okay, but the thing that pisses me off are the load times and the ****ty quality. so i went with typocket.com, they have 2 easy installs that take less than a minute, with GREAT FULL SCREEN quality and super fast load times, almost seems like its streaming
so give ytpocket.com
I've got ytpocket and tcpmp installed. Some reason all videos are very choppy, sound is clean but video looks like its refreshing slowly (like if you don't have the proper video card drivers installed on your pc thats how it looks) Its not buffering or anything.
Are there any tweaks I have to apply to get better video frame rate?
ludester said:
I've got ytpocket and tcpmp installed. Some reason all videos are very choppy, sound is clean but video looks like its refreshing slowly (like if you don't have the proper video card drivers installed on your pc thats how it looks) Its not buffering or anything.
Are there any tweaks I have to apply to get better video frame rate?
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Go into options and switch it from DirectDraw to raw and your videos should be smoother.
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is any1 having trouble? i did the ytpocket and when visit youtube on PIE my phone pretty much freezes up...
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You have to unintstall the macromedia flashplayer 7 in order for you to successfully view the regular youtube site.
cruise350 said:
Go into options and switch it from DirectDraw to raw and your videos should be smoother.
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thank you that did the trick
ludester said:
thank you that did the trick
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Which options ?
Thank you
Another good option
I have used vTap and I though it was very good, although I had to put up with a lot of wait icons.
I have been experimenting with this option... http://www.avotmedia.com/ and it has been quite usable so far. Video is very smooth and I have not had one single wait icon while using this program.
Check it out. I originally heard about here or PPCG, one of the two.
I use this
http://wmexperts.com/articles/howto/full_youtube_on_windows_mobile.html
works good
Full Youtube is kinda fun and boredom saving
I own a Sprint Touch and just installed this cab and m.youtube.com now works with IE!! I did not have to do a regedit either...
Here is the link!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1323244&postcount=17
Kudos to rvbcrs ...
Arnold
I use www.tinytube.net works well also allows you to stream or download if you choose.
arguinto said:
I own a Sprint Touch and just installed this cab and m.youtube.com now works with IE!! I did not have to do a regedit either...
Here is the link!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1323244&postcount=17
Kudos to rvbcrs ...
Arnold
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What does the cab actually allow you to do? When to the link but really didn't have an explanation of what it does.
does this work with full youtube or just m.youtube.com (mobile youtube)??
Try using ORB
I've been using it on my x1, works alright, but video quality is quite poor and it doesnt play in full screen.
Installing this official youtube app replaces the htc youtube(assuming you have that installed), so it either one or the other, you cant have both apps.
Seems like theres still no way to have high quality youtube playback on the x1with the latest roms, the only way is to use htc youtube app on r1 rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=495842
Yes, I've also installed this youtube app, but the quality is very bad in my eyes, and the vids start in fullscreen, but then they're resized and so it makes no fun, I didn't watch a single video...
infamous6622 said:
i've been using it on my x1, works alright, but video quality is quite poor and it doesnt play in full screen.
installing this official youtube app replaces the htc youtube(assuming you have that installed), so it ever either one or the other, you cant have both apps.
seems like theres still no way to have hi quality youtube playback on the x1, the only way is to use htc youtube app on r1 rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=495842
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I also installed it,
and it replaced HTC app in Programs,
but apparently when I use Youtube panel,
it's the htc one..
For high quality youtube playback, you can use CorePlayer 1.3 It has configurable video quality - from very low to very high. It works very good.
I second that, the coreplay has the best video and buffering quality.
Does it still choke like the old youtube app?
infamous6622 said:
I've been using it on my x1, works alright, but video quality is quite poor and it doesnt play in full screen.
Seems like theres still no way to have high quality youtube playback on the x1with the latest roms, the only way is to use htc youtube app on r1 rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=495842
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Poor or not quality I did not notice, but the playback is very choppy even when fully buffered. It was however perfectly smooth on my other Samsung WM phone.
There are however other means to get youtube. W.V.D. and Coreplayer are two that comes to my mind other than HTC's
infamous6622 said:
Installing this official youtube app replaces the htc youtube(assuming you have that installed), so it either one or the other, you cant have both apps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=495842
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No it doesn't. Before installing, go to File Explorer and Windows>Start Menu and rename the youtube you have as Youtube HTC or anyother so that the installation of this client won't override the HTC's Youtube shortcut.
If you forgot however and installed without any preparations, you can go to Windows folder(or somewhere else) in File Explorer and look for the HTC's Youtube shortcut which is 25B big.
I received my Touch Pro 2 from Vodafone last week and aside from the garish theme colours for the TouchFLO, I've noticed that Vodafone haven't included the fantastic Youtube App.
Having tried the latest version of the app I could find, it worked but stopped Media Player from working in the process meaning I could no longer play MP4 or 3GP files from the HTC Album (comes up with 'source filter not found' when you try and play the video.) Only way I could sort this out was to do a hard reset as the app wouldn't uninstall itself.
So far I can only get Youtube to work from the web, the quality of which is shocking, or from CorePlayer which is equally as bad.
Does anyone know where I can get the Youtube CAB that's specifically written for the Touch Pro 2? Perhaps someone with the standard HTC TP2 ROM could extract it? The rest I can wait until a decent ROM is written then I'll unlock and flash the phone but Youtube I can't live without!
I have installed Kinoma on mine - seems to play youtube OK over wireless but over 3G it was pretty poor and kept stopping. Not sure if there's any way to get it to buffer more.
Steve.
That's just the problem Steve.
Whilst Youtube can be streamed even via the web through HTC Streaming Player or CorePlayer, the quality sucks and is barely watchable at times.
The HTC Youtube app is as good as dammit viewing on the desktop. Where HQ streams are available for instance, these are of superb quality and smooth too, even over 3G. Nothing else comes close but I can't find this app for love nor money, not the TP2 specific version of the app at least.
Noone got the Youtube app to hand or perhaps could extract the cab from the WWE ROM?
Not Vodafone
h0wz3r said:
I received my Touch Pro 2 from Vodafone last week and aside from the garish theme colours for the TouchFLO, I've noticed that Vodafone haven't included the fantastic Youtube App.!
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Just to let you know it's not just the vodafone version I have an Orange branded TP2 and the app is not installed on mine either?! If you are desperate to watch youtube try youtubeplay the interface isn't great but at least it works
well I know google made a youtube app for wm (strange that they are making apps for wm when they have android), and personally I like the htc one better, but the quality seems to be the same:
http://www.google.com/mobile/winmo/youtube.html
you have to enter your phone number and they will send you a download link to the app I dont know why they dont just let you download it off their website, but at least they made one lol
Steve,
sjwk said:
I have installed Kinoma on mine - seems to play youtube OK over wireless but over 3G it was pretty poor and kept stopping. Not sure if there's any way to get it to buffer more.
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Kinoma Play's YouTube playback quality will be as good or better than other YouTube clients under the same network conditions.
3G bitrates do vary constantly, so the quality of the data connection when you start playback affects the quality of the video/audio you'll see. You may get a higher-quality version the next time you play the video, or if you stop moving (if you were walking), or if you move 10 feet in any direction.
(Note that the latest Kinoma Play update includes a workaround for a YouTube bug, so results are not as good in Kinoma FreePlay as I write this. A Kinoma FreePlay update with that same workaround will be available soon.)
-- Charles Wiltgen
Thanks for the input guys, I see it's not just Vodafone who disable the app in their version of the ROM?
Whilst there are alternatives, I still think the HTC app is by far and away the best both in terms of usability and quality. So far the official HTC app is the only one I've seen that allows the HQ picture where available which makes a big difference to picture quality. Even standard videos look so much better through the official app, even at full screen.
I've seen several versions of the HTC youtube app on the web, the latest of which I tried but it messed up the media player and wouldn't play video files anymore. This had a knock-on effect in that you couldn't play videos anymore from the camera album. As mentioned I had to hard reset the phone to get rid of the youtube app and return things to normal, haven't touched it again since, perhaps it was the wrong version for this phone?
There must be the official HTC app for the TP2 floating around somewhere, esp given that some people have started 'dumping' their official ROMs for exploitation by the cookers.
Surely it wouldn't be too difficult to extract the app from the official HTC TP2 ROM for someone who is up to speed on these things?
I used to have a Xperia X1 and someone created a YouTube app for that, I've installed it on my TP2 and it works a treat. Quality is fantastic and it works well on 3G/HSDPA as well as WiFi:
http://norti.hu/xperia/youtube_x1.zip
arun1uk said:
I used to have a Xperia X1 and someone created a YouTube app for that, I've installed it on my TP2 and it works a treat. Quality is fantastic and it works well on 3G/HSDPA as well as WiFi:
http://norti.hu/xperia/youtube_x1.zip
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That's great... have you tested that it doesn't mess with the media player though?
Try filming a short video with the camera and then try playing that video back through the HTC album and see if it works?
If it works then obviously the video will play, if not, you may get a message similar to what I did which is 'can't find streaming filter for this file type' or words to that effect.
Let me know how you get on and if all checks out ok I'll try that CAB file
arun1uk said:
I used to have a Xperia X1 and someone created a YouTube app for that, I've installed it on my TP2 and it works a treat. Quality is fantastic and it works well on 3G/HSDPA as well as WiFi:
http://norti.hu/xperia/youtube_x1.zip
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How you getting on Arun? Have you had chance to test the media player etc yet for videos?
arun1uk said:
I used to have a Xperia X1 and someone created a YouTube app for that, I've installed it on my TP2 and it works a treat. Quality is fantastic and it works well on 3G/HSDPA as well as WiFi:
http://norti.hu/xperia/youtube_x1.zip
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OMG, is there a QVGA version for my Treo Pro (320x320) screen?
Just for curiosity sake I installed it but can only see one-third of the app on my square screen.
the X1 version still breaks the video gallery which totally sucks as it was absoutely great looking so looks like us vodafone people are still waiting...
redmanmark86 said:
the X1 version still breaks the video gallery which totally sucks as it was absoutely great looking so looks like us vodafone people are still waiting...
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Unfortunately this appears to be the case for now.
In the meantime I've downloaded and installed the Google YouTube app (see most recent thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4101425#post4101425 ) which appears to do the job to a certain extent. At least it doesn't mess with the HTC Album & video settings.
Obviously if anyone comes across the HTC version of the app that DOESN'T foul up the album & video then I'm sure there's quite a few of us, Vodafone users in particular, that would like to hear about it.
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Unfortunately this appears to be the case for now.
In the meantime I've downloaded and installed the Google YouTube app (see most recent thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4101425#post4101425 ) which appears to do the job to a certain extent. At least it doesn't mess with the HTC Album & video settings.
Obviously if anyone comes across the HTC version of the app that DOESN'T foul up the album & video then I'm sure there's quite a few of us, Vodafone users in particular, that would like to hear about it.
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for HD2 but may work:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TWGCL8GL
The stock youtube player on the Galaxy S has a menu option for "high quality" when playing videos, while the so called "Youtube HD" player from the Evo rom has a "HQ" button in the lower right corner. These players seem to do exactly the same thing.
While HQ looks better than regular quality, it still doesn't really shine on our beautiful 480*800 displays.
I hooked up a debugger and launched a few videos available in up to 1080p on youtube. The URL requested by the apps in HQ mode is a 480*270 video!
Does anyone know a hack/app/way to stream full 480p glory (or above) from youtube to our phones?
Nobody?
I tried tubedroid to get an impression of how videos *should* look. Precaching sucks though, and I still can't find a youtube app to actually stream proper quality
Attached are device screenshots of
- Youtube app in "normal" quality
- Youtube app in "high" quality
- Video player playing tubedroid-downloaded clip (HD)
The forum downscales images from 800 to 640, but there's still a very noticable difference...
How about the new mobile youtube site? Looks good to me, but only tried a few secs
You mean in the web browser? Clicking a video there will just prompt you to open the youtube app for playback (optionally tubedroid), so same result.
AyuCon said:
How about the new mobile youtube site? Looks good to me, but only tried a few secs
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I found no way to select the quality in the new mobile interface. You can specify "always use the best quality for my player size" option in the settings of the non-mobile page, but this does not select 720p videos or higher if they are available.
That said, 480 is good enough for me on a 10cm screen.
bookwormat said:
I found no way to select the quality in the new mobile interface. You can specify "always use the best quality for my player size" option in the settings of the non-mobile page, but this does not select 720p videos or higher if they are available.
That said, 480 is good enough for me on a 10cm screen.
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The stock youtube app gives you "270p" (480x270) in HQ mode, not 480p (853x480 or similar). Where and how are you getting 480p on your galaxy?
Carrr said:
The stock youtube app gives you "270p" (480x270) in HQ mode, not 480p (853x480 or similar). Where and how are you getting 480p on your galaxy?
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Nowhere, i just messed up the numbers in my post. Thank you for correcting me.
Carrr said:
You mean in the web browser? Clicking a video there will just prompt you to open the youtube app for playback (optionally tubedroid), so same result.
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No, they have a new mobile interface. It can play videos within the browser, using HTML5's video tag.
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No, they have a new mobile interface. It can play videos within the browser, using HTML5's video tag.
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I tried both the usual m.youtube.com site, and stopped by youtube.com/html5 to "force" html5.. but the browser still prompts me to open the youtube app when clicking on a video
Which browser and what url are you using?
This sucks how can they not allow HD NOT HQ streaming on an android device I mean vids on YouTube in hd look great on my iPhone 4s but I would like to see hd on my amdroid tablet without using the desktop site.
Is there a way for the transformer to play 1080p without stuttering? I know the hardware is pretty capable yet how come it cant even play 1080p without stuttering? The blackberry playbook plays 1080p flawlessly.
Click on the search box, type in flash video and read any of the dozens of threads on the subject.
If you would like short answers though - No and because it's a new OS with unoptimized software for the hardware in question which MAY eventually be up to the task of playing 1080p.
Also... you know there aren't that many dots on your screen right?
j0n4z said:
Is there a way for the transformer to play 1080p without stuttering? I know the hardware is pretty capable yet how come it cant even play 1080p without stuttering? The blackberry playbook plays 1080p flawlessly.
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Hi
I have been on here a few times complaining about flash performance. Through the You Tube Application I did manage to stream both the Lord of the Rings and Batman Dark Knight trailers at 1080p with smooth performance. Looks brilliant.
Through the web browser I cant even stream 720p. Somtimes the You tube application struggles and buffers even with my 30 mb connection. Wonder if this is somthing to do with the network speed rather than it being the hardware and if somthing is off slightly be it with your wireless connection speed or the you tube network it falls over?
findmike said:
Also... you know there aren't that many dots on your screen right?
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True. but there is a mini HDMI connection on the side.
andyzarins said:
Hi
I have been on here a few times complaining about flash performance. Through the You Tube Application I did manage to stream both the Lord of the Rings and Batman Dark Knight trailers at 1080p with smooth performance. Looks brilliant.
Through the web browser I cant even stream 720p. Somtimes the You tube application struggles and buffers even with my 30 mb connection. Wonder if this is somthing to do with the network speed rather than it being the hardware and if somthing is off slightly be it with your wireless connection speed or the you tube network it falls over?
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Adobe has this in their flash player 10.3 description, this should answer your question.
"For optimal performance and the most immersive experience on Android 3.1 tablets, view Flash Player delivered content in full screen by using the menu buttons provided by content providers, or by tapping content once followed by a long tap to bring down a button in the upper left corner which can be tapped to enable full screen mode."
What don't I know about this?
I just played several 1080p HD vids on my TF without stuttering...no problem.