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Well my sage continues with this XDA (SX56). This $400 Paper weight has finally pushed me back to using a PALM device. Very disappointing since I love the functionality of my Pocket PC. After Upgrading and downgrading ROM and Radio Stacks the device just never truly gets to be a phone. So I have to go back to carrying my Toshiba PDA and my Palm Tungsten W in order to get anything done.
I am so sorry for even buying the dam thing it has been a serious dampener to my business and I would never recommend another PDA/Phone like this again, to anyone.
So if your are on this website looking for a fix...there isn't one. Accept the fact that the device is just a pretty PDA that can be a phone once and a while.
I am very happy with my xda and xda 2, I have never had a problem with the phone side and I think the xda is the best featured value for money pda/phone on the market. Maybe you should address the problem in the hope of fixing it, messing with radio stacks is not to be taken lightly. If you supply all the details such as original radio stack, current radio stack, original and current rom, the nature of your problem etc. you may find a solution, if you just want to moan then moan to the suppliers. If you have been experimenting with non official upgrades etc then it is not the fault of the supplier or the hardware.
Great device
I used my xda as a pda, to access emails, to surf the net, as a library, as a directory, as a newspaper and even as a phone now and again (have I missed anything out? oh yes its a big kids toy as well.). Now and again I get a hitch ... usually due to my own meddling, but most of the time it all works fine. I finally talked myself into an XDA II a couple of weeks ago and now I can add media messaging, video camera and wifi to the list.
As for the phone, I guess your network and local signal strength will dictate how well it works ... perhaps I have just been lucky.
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I am very happy with my xda and xda 2, I have never had a problem with the phone side and I think the xda is the best featured value for money pda/phone on the market. Maybe you should address the problem in the hope of fixing it, messing with radio stacks is not to be taken lightly. If you supply all the details such as original radio stack, current radio stack, original and current rom, the nature of your problem etc. you may find a solution, if you just want to moan then moan to the suppliers. If you have been experimenting with non official upgrades etc then it is not the fault of the supplier or the hardware.
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Agreed, I am very happy with the phone and pad portions, as well as the ability to hack and test like mad.
Plenty of people seem happy. Me included. Seems that you fixed what wasn't broke. Jolly bad luck, old chap.
I'm trying to work out what was the purpose of your post. Sounds like an admission that you screwed it up.
In my experience, company directors shouldn't ever be allowed near technology...
mmm 7 posts
6 from last two days
all just complaining
How do you treat employees that only complain?
Phew, it's getting a bit warm in here!
I agree with the general consensus, it's a great device, and i think you just have to accept that any device that can be a phone, pda, internet browser, satnav, mp3/video player etc etc all in one handy little box is going to have a few problems every now and again! Stop moaning!
Perhaps I'm biased because I have been a PPC fan for a long time and so really utilize my XDA II's PPC functions a lot. But to me the phone aspect works pretty well too.
I must admit it is a bit disappointing that we need to buy 3rd party applications like RingtoneX and PocketZenPhone to profide functions which are standard in most other phones but apart from that I am happy with the phone functionality too.
Combined with my in car kit and Destinator GPS the XDA II becomes even more functional. The clarity of calls made and received in the car is fine and the GPS is fantastic.
For a mobile hands free I have opted to use the Logitec BT headset. Yeah I look a bit weird with it stuck on my ear but it certainly does the trick.
I'm sorry you are disappointed with your choice Director4u2c, but I am very happy with mine.
Ed
Yep, I've had a few problems with my Xda1, but after finding this site and being very patient and persistent I now have 2003 and it works really well as a phone, I'm a youth worker and need a reliable phone - this fits the bill. I've got all my contacts can browse the internet for housing vacancies etc. I suggest you ask rudegar to send you some basic instructions (as he did for myself) and then play a bit. At first I found the instructions very confusing, but by going step by step I upgraded the software and it all works fantastically! Give it a go mate, and hopefully you'll have better luck
It been reported thru several teardowns that the n1 has a fm transmiter/reciver inside. Is there anyway to to access this hardware (where would it be located /sys/device/ ect) would be nice to know if we can interface with this hardware.
nexusoneblog.com/blog/2010/1/6/nexus-one-dissected-reveals-80211n-wifi-and-fm-transmitter.htm
It would be awesome to actually have that funtionality. I've seen a few crappy flip phones with FM transmitters built in.
a google employee on this forum (swetland) said there is an fm transmitter/reciever, but google is not developing or working on an app for that yet, that's why they did not advertise it.
My nexus one is rooted and I have a console program just trying to figure out if this hardware would be listed in the /sys/devices/ area anywhere. Im new to android not sure of how the google api's work but would be intrested into trying to get a small app or script to run just to initalize the hardware and fool around with it. any ideas?
i know cliq users have a FM radio built in too, but they don't have an app to use it. see this here http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=526775
transmitter / receiver
does that mean it can transmit fm signals to car radio so we can listen to music?!
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does that mean it can transmit fm signals to car radio so we can listen to music?!
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I think that means we can use N1 like a walkie talkie if the application is available.?
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My nexus one is rooted and I have a console program just trying to figure out if this hardware would be listed in the /sys/devices/ area anywhere. Im new to android not sure of how the google api's work but would be intrested into trying to get a small app or script to run just to initalize the hardware and fool around with it. any ideas?
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there should not be anything on the phone that you can find that mentions the existence of an fm reciever/transmitter... the phone has one but there is no functionality of it because there is no driver or app support for it... from what i have gathered getting the thing to work is going to be quit a project because the community would have to create a driver for the device as well as an application that calls on that driver as well as utilizes the capabilities of the chip itself... i dont know what experience you have with creating a driver to work for a complex piece of hardware that you have no idea how it works, its more/less going to be like blindly threading a needle unless google/htc would be so kind as to give one of our lovely coders some groundwork...
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does that mean it can transmit fm signals to car radio so we can listen to music?!
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potentially... if this thing gets coded to work, receiving signals will prolly be the easier thing to figure out first...
other HTC devices, such as the HTC Touch Pro2, have a built in FM receiver. HTC actually writes an app for this and I use it on my TP2, but I don't know if one exists for the N1. You can search xda-developers for the win-mo version for the TP2, but my point is, if they did it for winmo, they can do it for android!
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other HTC devices, such as the HTC Touch Pro2, have a built in FM receiver. HTC actually writes an app for this and I use it on my TP2, but I don't know if one exists for the N1. You can search xda-developers for the win-mo version for the TP2, but my point is, if they did it for winmo, they can do it for android!
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lol clearly you did not read get my point... "they" are not making anything, else they would have marketed it from the get go... it is up to the android community more specifically the nexus one community to come up with a driver that makes the chip functional... the chip in the other devices may be different as well, aka different driver needed...
What about htc tattoo? It has a fm receiver and an app...
The nexus one uses the broadcom BCM4329 Chipset. I need to find something to work with for this chip to even understand the funconatly of the chip itself I will look thru broadcoms site later see if they have any kind of driver or any information at all on this chipset. Reading other posts on other phones that had a similar chipset people were able to get the reciver on the chip activated but were unable to get the sound routed to the phone. They were able to however to get the the radio to tune to certain frequanceys and I think get the RDS information from the chipset. If anyone finds any relevant information post it here
Nycro
This tree was just added to the android source on the 12th of Jan looks to be mostley for the WLAN/Bluetooth features of the chipset
ttp://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/system/wlan/broadcom.git;a=summary
Have a look at.
codeaurora.org/gitweb/quic/la/?p=platform/packages/apps/FM.git;a=summary
Looks like an fm radio app for android using a qualcomm chip.
Im talking with the devolper of the driver for the wifi portion of the chip. At this time he is as well intrested in getting the Radio part of the chipset working but does not know much about it himself. Hopefully something will arise out of this conversation with him and maybe we will get a nice start to getting this portion of the chip working!
Im new with programing for android so I probley will need some help in the end lol.. allthough im pretty adaptive with c++ and some java im not no expert (Bacholers in network secuirty)
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lol clearly you did not read get my point... "they" are not making anything, else they would have marketed it from the get go... it is up to the android community more specifically the nexus one community to come up with a driver that makes the chip functional... the chip in the other devices may be different as well, aka different driver needed...
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Clearly, you didn't get my point. For the TP2, not only was the Radio app not marketed, it was also not made available by HTC, but is now available on this forum. Secondly, I didn't contest that Google is not going to develop a Radio app - I simply said that HTC HAS made one. Hopefully, that clears things up
I have been talking with the guy from broadcom tongiht i will quote some of what was said here. Im not sure if he wants to be know to the comunity or not.
He had included the link to a video I have seen on this fourm will link below.
"I'll let you know when I figure something out. What other HTC phone uses the 4329 chip with Android? I wasn't aware of one. The HTC HD2 WM6.5 phone uses 4329, but I don't know if FM is enabled on that either.
There is an Android FM radio app for the BCM4325 chip, I saw a YouTube video of it running on a BeagleBoard: ww.youtube.com/watch?v=v6wdTOHrwQw This is using an AzureWave module, which has the 4325 in it.
The FM RX portion on the 4329 should be the same or nearly the same. I believe the FM is conrolled by special commands in the BT HCI interface, so some Android framework/JNI work might have to be done to the BT stack."
Thanks to Mr H ^^
I will do more work on this tommorow and see how far I can get
Thanks for everyones intrest and help!
An FM APP to unlock the FM Radio functions of my Nexus is something that I am willing to pay for!!!!
Some of the senior developers here are aces so I will keep my fingers crossed.
I just want to express my interest in a FM radio for Nexus One.
I think people (including me) will be happy to pay for an app that enables the FM reciever on the phone.
Good luck to whoever is trying to get this to work!
As I am not a developer all I can do to help is surf the web to see what I can find.
I found this link tp://www.9to5mac.com/broadcom-BCM4329-iphone-802.11n-FM
That states the iPhone has the BCM4329 chip in it. Now I have not found an apple app nor do I know if this helps any of the aces out there.
So just take a look.
I thought that was appart of the update? I don't seem to have that? Is it like the trackball that they released the driver/api and some dev has to make a app to use it now? I was hopeful for the transmitter more than a reciver but I guess I am a big dreamer ;-)
That was never confirmed to be apart of the update - it was simply speculation that evolved into false hope.
Do we know for sure that the FM hardware exists?
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Can you provide a link to where/when Google stated that it would be part of 2.2?
Bet you can't
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Do we know for sure that the FM hardware exists?
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Yes we do...
Oddly, an app called "HTC Radio Info" is in the manage applications, all tab. Not sure if this has already been discussed?
Anyways, it was never confirmed, just speculated upon. And if it is an API, then I am sure we will see something come of it in due time.
Well, I have been skeptical about the FM radio because of the chip name.
"Of interest is a Broadcom chip labeled Broadcom BCM4329EKUBG. Why? Well, the BCM4329 (albeit, without the "EKUBG" qualifier) is capable of 802.11n (HTC only lists 802.11b/g) WiFi in addition to FM transmitter and receiver."
The chip name is not the same as the one with FM t/r but has been said to have it, which is pure speculation.
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM4329
But the Nexus One DOES have a wireless N radio and you can connect to N only networks.
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Well, I have been skeptical about the FM radio because of the chip name.
"Of interest is a Broadcom chip labeled Broadcom BCM4329EKUBG. Why? Well, the BCM4329 (albeit, without the "EKUBG" qualifier) is capable of 802.11n (HTC only lists 802.11b/g) WiFi in addition to FM transmitter and receiver."
The chip name is not the same as the one with FM t/r but has been said to have it, which is pure speculation.
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM4329
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Yes, and in addition even if the chip supports it the fm radio section might not be connected. On these types of devices that have fm receivers they are usually wired to use the headphones as an antenna since an fm antenna is far too large to fit in the device. Ours might not have that much needed connection.
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IF we got it this would not be the first device I have owned that a supposedly not working/not connected fm radio module suddenly became a working/connected fm module. Not saying one way or the other but its absence is not absolute proof.
Paul from modaco has managed to get it to tune into stations, but just not get any audio out.
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IF we got it this would not be the first device I have owned that a supposedly not working/not connected fm radio module suddenly became a working/connected fm module. Not saying one way or the other but its absence is not absolute proof.
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It has a precedent, though - update for HTC Touch CDMA (HTC Vogue) enabling GPS receiver that was unused until then, existing in Qualcomm MSM7500 CPU of the Vogue.
So it was done before. The question is - would Google bother or would they just skip it and leave it to the community (if it's feasible at all, given that Desire has the same chip and connections - which isn't confirmed).
Thats what I mean I had a touch diamond NAM version with supposedly no fm because of some hardware deal and sure enough despite HTCs assurances that it could not be done the community got fm going after a time. I would bet there are other examples besides these.
Samsung Fascinate have Fm Radio, but I don't find app its. Can I set app for my Cell. thanks
Huh? Could you reword that question? Its hard to understand what you mean.
Although I think this is a General Forum Question, I think he is trying to say.... "The Fascinate has an FM radio, but I can not find the App.... Where can I find said app to use the FM radio..."
Answer: Doesn't exist..
there is an FM radio in it?
Don't you think thats something they would advertise?
Highly doubtful
If there is a FM capable chip on board, we currently don't have any apps for it.
I don't believe that we have a FM chip in this phone.
I found on gsmarena the specs of this phone and realize that the phone has "FM radio with RDS". ^^. lol.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_fascinate-3492.php
Could this be a feature that froyo will enable? I seem to remember this happening to a friend of mine when his incredible was updated to 2.2; he got the radio & the flashlight.
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it would be a nice little addition, however I think I would still prefer pandora or one of the many other internet radio apps.
The FM radio was listed on the first pre-release spec listings, but was removed from later listings. The prevailing theory is that the Fascinate was originally going to have an FM radio, but it was scrapped (like how we were supposed to have Media Hub like the other Galaxy S phones but are stuck with VCast). I wouldn't count on the hardware being there. The Incredible's FM tuner was functional with 2.1 (I can vouch for that firsthand).
FM radio stations are lobbying to make FM radio receivers mandatory in phones in the US (in exchange for paying higher fees).
Because of that, several phone manufacturers and chip makers have had the hardware put in their devices as a just in case measure. For instance you may find a Broadcom chip that controls the wifi and phone radio to have an fm receiver as well. In any case, these specifications sometimes fluctuate.
However, without actual drivers to run said unsupported tech, the issue is moot.
Swyped w/ XDA App. When in doubt, mumble.
Falcyn said:
The FM radio was listed on the first pre-release spec listings, but was removed from later listings. The prevailing theory is that the Fascinate was originally going to have an FM radio, but it was scrapped
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+1 on this... Exactly what happened
I use the FM radio on my SII. I am aware of various streaming radio apps, but a proper FM radio is a must-have for me.
The S4 doesn't have one and this is the only reason I still have my SII now.
The Note 3 looks great and - despite much searching and a post which got lost in general queries - I have no idea if it has an FM radio or not. If I buy, I'll probably get it from Expansys - link.
So, does anybody know? Does the Snapdragon-flavour Note 3 have an FM radio?
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I use the FM radio on my SII. I am aware of various streaming radio apps, but a proper FM radio is a must-have for me.
The S4 doesn't have one and this is the only reason I still have my SII now.
The Note 3 looks great and - despite much searching and a post which got lost in general queries - I have no idea if it has an FM radio or not. If I buy, I'll probably get it from Expansys - link.
So, does anybody know? Does the Snapdragon-flavour Note 3 have an FM radio?
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Historically the Qualcomm Snapdragon series has included an FM radio so here's to hoping at least the LTE variant has the FM radio.
From comments I have read it seems it's not included this time. But perhaps someone who was at IFA could actually comment if they got hands on time with it.
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Historically the Qualcomm Snapdragon series has included an FM radio so here's to hoping at least the LTE variant has the FM radio.
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The Qualcomm S4 doesn't have one, either.
Thanks for all the replies - appreciated!
I know this isn't a big deal for many, but FM radio is for me. I'm confused why - certainly in the case of the S4 - Samsung appear to have just not bothered; the chipsets used in these devices have FM available. I know why Apple phones don't have FM - potential threat to itunes - but why would Samsung do the same? I don't accept their previous argument "The flagship model of our products are focused on customers who use digital content" as it sounds weak and like something that was just made up.
Anyway.
It looks like I will have to wait a little longer so ...
I don't know about all details of the GNote3 and how easy or how soon its users will be able to root it.
But if it doesn't come with stock FM Radio , once you get root, you can get a FM radio app (no streaming) called Spirit FM, which works like a charm:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mikersmicros.fm_unlock&hl=eng
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I don't know about all details of the GNote3 and how easy or how soon its users will be able to root it.
But if it doesn't come with stock FM Radio , once you get root, you can get a FM radio app (no streaming) called Spirit FM, which works like a charm:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mikersmicros.fm_unlock&hl=eng
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I heard of that, but even Spirit FM needs some hardware to be there and it's not on the S4
On the mega all lte variants do not have fm but non lte do.
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On the mega all lte variants do not have fm but non lte do.
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The version I'd get would be the one like Expansys in the UK have on pre-order: link. And it's the LTE version
If what you say above applies to the Note 3 as well, then that's another sale lost :crying:
same here
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I use the FM radio on my SII. I am aware of various streaming radio apps, but a proper FM radio is a must-have for me.
The S4 doesn't have one and this is the only reason I still have my SII now.
The Note 3 looks great and - despite much searching and a post which got lost in general queries - I have no idea if it has an FM radio or not. If I buy, I'll probably get it from Expansys - link.
So, does anybody know? Does the Snapdragon-flavour Note 3 have an FM radio?
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Its like I wrote your post, I even have my S2, you are 100% right about FM, there are places like the subway, you cant have 3g reception for streaming, and also on roaming its not free!
Nonetheless I will dissapoint you, on IFA hands on reviews I noticed that there wasnt an fm radio app in the app drawer, or in any folder. Also on gsmarena.com in the specs they had added the stereo fm radio, but today I checked and instead they put TBC (to be configured)
Finaly as a solution you could get the note 2 (which has fm radio) much cheaper and miss out on the 3's new features.
Despite the lack of fm, I am thinking of getting the note 3 maybe in the 2014 (it will be about 250 € cheaper)
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Its like I wrote your post, I even have my S2, you are 100% right about FM, there are places like the subway, you cant have 3g reception for streaming, and also on roaming its not free!
Nonetheless I will dissapoint you, on IFA hands on reviews I noticed that there wasnt an fm radio app in the app drawer, or in any folder. Also on gsmarena.com in the specs they had added the stereo fm radio, but today I checked and instead they put TBC (to be configured)
Finaly as a solution you could get the note 2 (which has fm radio) much cheaper and miss out on the 3's new features.
Despite the lack of fm, I am thinking of getting the note 3 maybe in the 2014 (it will be about 250 € cheaper)
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I've also seen different answers on spec sheets for the Note 3 regarding FM radio. The Samsung micro site (link) simply doesn't mention it at all.
On the basis the the Note 3 could have FM radio, I think I'll still hold out some hope that it does.
In the meantime, my 2.5 years old S2 continues to work flawlessly. The thing is, I don't need a Note 3, but I do want one
Frankly I've just bought a 5 euro mini MP3 player. Added bonus: 5 hours more battery life on my phone.
That said my iPod (it was a gift! There are no Android mp3 players ) has an FM radio so I don't really need the mp3 player, but it makes a useful backup.
Easier solution than skipping every phone you really want because it doesn't have an FM radio.
Principle is fine and all, but the companies don't notice nor care if one person refuses to buy it over a missing FM radio (They're expecting to sell 5 million Note 3's. What's one person?), and the only person negatively affected by you refusing to buy it is you.
Att Note 2 didn't have an fm radio either. As thering1975 said with the Mega, only non LTE phones have it, and Att Note 2 was with LTE. With the international Note 2 it was the same, LTE version didn't have it while the 3G version did. I suppose the LTE radio takes up the space occupied by the fm radio. Sorry I would use it a lot too if it had it.
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According to this Dutch site (roughly translated) the Note 3 does have fm radio:
http://translate.googleusercontent....radio/&usg=ALkJrhjCQFUjbn-D-8qHmQ9xDQDtyCflbQ
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I changed my mobile 2 months ago. didn't buy s4 or note 2 LTE, purely because they don't have FM radio.
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According to this Dutch site (roughly translated) the Note 3 does have fm radio:
http://translate.googleusercontent....radio/&usg=ALkJrhjCQFUjbn-D-8qHmQ9xDQDtyCflbQ
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Looks like they were getting their information from GSMarena according to the update on the top of page. Does it have FM still remains to be seen I guess
I want to switch from SII.
but the "fm radio" does not exist, will not buy.
ShadowLea said:
Frankly I've just bought a 5 euro mini MP3 player. Added bonus: 5 hours more battery life on my phone.
That said my iPod (it was a gift! There are no Android mp3 players ) has an FM radio so I don't really need the mp3 player, but it makes a useful backup.
Easier solution than skipping every phone you really want because it doesn't have an FM radio.
Principle is fine and all, but the companies don't notice nor care if one person refuses to buy it over a missing FM radio (They're expecting to sell 5 million Note 3's. What's one person?), and the only person negatively affected by you refusing to buy it is you.
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My S2 works fine - and has FM, so I'm not really loosing out if I don't buy. I also have one of those tiny FM bluetooth headsets - Sony MW600 - which I could use. I just don't want to.
But you're right - I don't think Samsung will worry too much over it
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Looks like they were getting their information from GSMarena according to the update on the top of page. Does it have FM still remains to be seen I guess
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Yes I saw it..
And that pic is also of a GNote 2
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My S2 works fine - and has FM, so I'm not really loosing out if I don't buy. I also have one of those tiny FM bluetooth headsets - Sony MW600 - which I could use. I just don't want to.
But you're right - I don't think Samsung will worry too much over it
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I want to switch from SII.
but the "fm radio" does not exist, will not buy.
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Allow me to make a suggestion:
Galaxy Note2 (N7100) is a kickass phone and got FM radio.
Its price is going down (due launch of the newer S4 and Note3) meaning you will get a lot of phone for a much smaller price tag.
An excellent upgrade if you are coming from the S2.
You will be mesmerized with its sound quality (wolfson DAC), gorgeous screen , amazing GPS/GLONASS performance, and the best battery performance of them all
Did I mention the much lower price?
Definitely the best buy if you are new to the N series....
I am keeping mine for a while longer, not in a hurry at all to move on to the Note3
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After seeing a lots of hands on videos , the app drawer doesnt have FM radio app in snapdragon variant but I'm not sure of the Exynos variant. So its almost confirmed no FM radio on S800 version