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Dear all, is that possible to activesync mini and pc without USB? Whenever using usb to sync, mini will be charged. Can i prevent this auto charging problem coz lets say the battery in my mini is always full, will it do any harm when it keep charging whenever we activesync? If we can activesync using BT, what is the procedure?
Just go to bluetooth settings and do activesync setup. you will need to re pair your PC. works really well.
rmg, what do u mean by repair the pc, can u provide me with more details and step on doing this, appreciate your help thanks
rmg, i did what u told me, but when i click start button on the "bluetooth activesync setup:" the message box come out "please start bounding with other bluetooth device which support serial port or activesync profile as your activesync partner". i cannot get it done, can u help
how i do is it
1) bond PC and Phone in Bluetooth Settings in windows
2) on phone go to Activesync - tools - Options - Options - Dropdown box
Eather Bluetooth or 19200 default
3)Open active sync pc
4) Active Sync on Phone - Tools - Connect Via Bluetooth
and that is how i connect
In the advanced settings for your BT dongle you will need to check what Bluetooth Serial port number is being used. I found mine under local services. Once you have that go into the proerties for AS and where it lists the serial port to use put the COM Port number of your BT Serial port in that box. Now when you hit the AS button they should be able to connect with each other. Hope that helps.
One of the requirements is for you to have a ActiveSync 3.8.
Once you have that installed a new port will also be installed with the Windows BT stack. When the BT stack is detected a new port will also be available.
Now the next step is to go to the PPC. Hit Start go to Settings, System and then Blue Tooth Settings. Hit the Start button and it should bring you to the BT activation where you turn it on. Have everything checked. Once this is done, start pairing the laptop by having it detect the PPC and set a passkey for protection. Once they are paired, launch ActiveSync in the PC and go to File and Connection Settings. Once in this screen pit a check mark on the Allow Serial... Set it to the new port set by your BT Stack.
Once this is done, on the PPC, hit Start and go to Programs select ActiveSync. Hit Tools and then Connect via Bluetooth. This should then start working.
One bug I did find is that once you connect your device to your charger and initialize the ActiveSync over BT everything will work well. BUt once you remove it from the power conenction, your device will soft reset.
ok i will try, thanks to all of you
Stupid Q. If you're using BT for Activesync, the PC will still act like a pass-thru internet gateway, right? And you can now surf the net via BT (the same way you do it with wifi)?
Thanks.
@MC_Oliver
The answer is yes. If you are doing ActiveSync over Bluetooth it is the same as ActiveSync with a cable. You should have the same icon on the top of your screen. You can even browsse the files in your PPC.
Thanks dre.
Btw, curious if you have the same problem as I do in this thread? Thanks again.
mc_oliver said:
Stupid Q. If you're using BT for Activesync, the PC will still act like a pass-thru internet gateway, right? And you can now surf the net via BT (the same way you do it with wifi)?
Thanks.
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Is my question stupid? sorry about that coz i am new
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Is my question stupid? sorry about that coz i am new
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No, not at all. I cut my sentence short and it should have read; I have a stupid question. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Hi,
A few days ago i bought an Orange SPV M2000 (the big PDA sized phone by Orange in the UK). It was £150 ($250) more than the M500 (also know as the Magician), so when i managed to sucessfully create a bluetooth LAN connection on the M2000 and run Skype over it, i decided the extra £150 spent for the Wifi feature was a waste of money so i took it back and got a M500 / Magician instead.
However the M500 doesn't seem to have all the standard bluetooth features. Most noticably the Bluetooth Connection wizard needed to create a bluetooth LAN Connection. The wizard is part of the Bluetooth Manager software.
Does the M500 have a cut down version of the M2000's Windows Mobile software?
Is the M500's bluetooth not capable of a LAN connection?
If I install the latest BigStorage ROM, will it give me the Bluetooth Manager software?
I've attached 2 images of the M2000's Bluetooth Manager software which seems to be missing from my M500.
Any help would be much appreciated?
Neil
the magician uses microsoft's bluetooth stack which is not as good as the widcomm/broadcomm stack found on your other phone, i think there is still a way to connect to a bluetooth lan but you will have to do some searching on the forum.
or
you could by the cheap wifi card from ebuyer like many magician users have and use wifi.
good luck
Rob
Thanks Rob for the suggestion of using Wifi, but if i use the SD slot for a Wifi card, it won't be free for an extra Memory card.
I've had a look around on the forums and haven't been able to find a solution for this yet. Can the widcomm / broadcomm stack be installed into the magician?
If anyone has any other solutions please let me know. Is the M500 / Magician cut down in any other ways? My M500 is still within its 14 day return period so if its not capable of running most Windows Mobile 2003 software i'd rather get my money back.
Bluetooth:
You don't need to create a bluetooth lan connection.
You need to create a virtual serial (com) port with your bluetooth dongle on your PC. Eg Port 7.
Get that set up, then set activesync settings to search the serial port as a connection.
Then on your Magician go to Start > Settings > System > Bluetooth settings.
Click the bottom two boxes, and then click the middle button "start button to setup".
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth.
Here click on Turn on blueooth, make device discoverable, then tab "Devices", search for a new device (ie your pc), create a bond, set up a passcode (0000 etc), your pc should then show a balloon to say your phone is trying to make a connection and requires a pin. Set that Pin to 0000. Your phone should now bond with the PC.
Next open up Activesync on your PPC, and click Tools menu, Connect via bluetooth.
Hopefully, all being well, you should now connect to your pc via bluetooth.
You should be able to browse the internet, and if you can do that (if on your PC you've got internet pass thru on your activesync), you can use skype.
WIFI:
Bigstorage rom will not change your PPC stack; its exactly the same rom as your original, but with more "Storage" memory. However, I use this, copy any Net only apps to my "storage" and can then pop out my SD Card, put in my wifi, and still have access to all my net apps + wifi. I don't use storage for anything else. Wifi is faster than Bluetooth, but both methods work.
Options:
Have a look for the Blue Soleil threads - this is the Bluetooth stack i use on my PC, but you don't need it. It doesn't do much more than you can do now, and certainly not to apply the above info.
V
Thanks for the reply vijay555,
i too am using the IVT BlueSoleil bluetooth software. Downloaded the latest eval version from their site.
After following your instructions its still not working, but it appears to be almost there. I'll explain what i've done.
In BlueSoleil bluetooth propertiesi've turned Serial Port A (port 6) off and left SerialPort B (port 7) on. All the other services are on their defaults.
I right click the tray icon and exit it. then restart t make sure the services take on the new settings. (must be an easier way to reset services).
I open ActiveSyncs "Connection Settings" and if i select Com7 the Status reads: Com port is not available.
All your PPC side instructions seem to work, but of course it fails to sync with ActiveSync.
Any idea why the virtual port isn't being seen as working? I'm using Active Sync 3.8 & BlueSoleil 1.6.1.4
Thanks Neil
i have nothing to say that helps you further, but just wanted to say that i've had such a hard time doing anything via bluetooth on this phone that its extremely disappointing. after a slew of ipaqs, this is so counter-intuitive and i can't get nothing working via bluetooth, most notably GPRS with a laptop.
sucks....and i feel for ya
futurity- I think for some reason I decided to use the WIDCOMM bluetooth software on my PC. It was a LOT of work, so many reboots and required a safe-mode hack, but supposedly better. From memory, the bluesoleil looked much nicer. There's no reason why a simple serial port shouldn't work.
Try on your PC checking My computer > (right click) properties > device manager > com ports to ensure either Com port 7 is on, activated, or being used by something else.
Try changing to com port 6?
If you double click on the serial port in bluesoleil I presume you get properties showing it's available and ready for use?
Bluetooth does work, and for me: I live in a block of flats and I've got the wifi card, which is painless (although it had problems, described elsewhere on the board!). However, I've got 3 wifi signals inteferring from neighbours and I can't get online from one room away from my router. But the bluetooth signal works for about 10m, through walls and doors, so for me it's a cheap and easy solution. The hardest bit was setting up WIDCOMM, so I only recommend it if you like going to the dentist.
Reply if you sorted it/having troubles.
V
Got it working using Windows XP im built Bluetooth drivers
Hi chaps,
Got it working using Windows XP im built Bluetooth drivers. My setup procedure is still flaky though so I aim to sort it out on a clean machine until i perfect it. Only draw back is that you have to log into a user accout in order to use the Bluetooth / Activesync internet access option.
I'll most likely make the next postin gon Tuesday.
Regards
Neil
Ok, I've finally had time to get the sequence perfected after setting this up about 10 times (most of them failures).
Here is the working procedure, based heavily on the previous posted procedure with some more detailed instructions that worked for me.
PC Bluetooth:
First off you don't need to create a bluetooth lan connection in order to get LAN or Internet access. We're setting up Internet access via the ActiveSync Proxy.
Install your Bluetooth interface into your PC (for me i just plugged in my Bluetooth USB dongle and it installed using XP drivers, but you may need to install specific software).
On your PC task bar (bottom right next to the time) click on the blue Bluetooth icon (called Bluetooth devices on my PC)
Select "COM Ports", then add, then select "Incoming (device initiates the connection)" then OK. This creates an inbound connection that the Magician can use to talk to the ActiveSync Program.
Note the COM port number of the newly created COM port.
PC ActiveSync:
Open ActiveSync
Select File->Connection Settings
Select the "Allow serial cable or infrared connection to this COM port:" and select the port number that you just created.
Magician Bluetooth:
Select Start > Settings > System > Bluetooth settings.
Select the "Inbound COM port:" box.
Then Select the "Outbound COM port:" box. If it asks you to select a device providing a serial interface, click ok,
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth. but for now close this window by clicking the top right "ok" to close the window. i.e. don't select a new device quite yet.
The Bluetooth settings page should now reappear.
Now press the "Start" button in the middle of the page. Press ok to accept the prompt to select a device providing a serial activesync interface.
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth again.
Here click on Turn on blueooth, make device discoverable, then tab "Devices", search for a new device (ie your pc), create a bond, set up a passcode (0000 etc), your pc should then show a balloon to say your phone is trying to make a connection and requires a pin. Set that Pin to 0000. Your phone should now bond with the PC.
Magician Active Sync:
Next open up ActiveSync on your PPC, and click Tools menu, Connect via bluetooth.
Hopefully, all being well, you should now connect to your pc via bluetooth.
You should be able to browse the internet, or use MSN Messenger, and if you can do that (if on your PC you've got internet pass thru on your ActiveSync), you can use skype, X-ten Softphone, PocketIRC, etc.
If you have any problems, send me a private message and i'll try and talk you trough it.
Thanks futurity!
It was so satisfying when I got it working finally, and then I still went back to wifi
Very useful info, keep a copy on my PDA.
V
If you have bluetooth LAN connection doesn't that mean you can also access network shares? I don't think that is possible through active sync...
Just curious
Si
Yepp, that's amost the only difference, besides that you need ActiveSync for Internet access and not only a standard bluetooth stack capable of doing it.
One remark on the detailed setup list from futurity: If the device is already paired with the PC you want to sync with, you have to (after pressing the start button in the bluetooth settings) re-pair the devices. I'm also always deleting an existing partnership with the PC but I'm not sure wether this is neccessary or not. This procedure ist very annoying when you often switch between PCs. I was told that the Freeware PocketMultiPartnershipSync helps for that but it didn't quite work for me.
What is concerning using the GPRS modem over the Magician, I was writing some detailed walkthroughs for that in the forum. You basically need to set up AT strings in your Modem settings to set up the APN of your provider. I also experienced that it sometimes didn't work, maybe due to the installed radio version on my device. I was successful with the Radio 1.13 installed, so try that.
Mudstuffin said:
If you have bluetooth LAN connection doesn't that mean you can also access network shares? I don't think that is possible through active sync...
Just curious
Si
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The Orange M500 has the Microsoft (M$) Bluetooth stack so making a LAN connection isn't an option for me.
This is what i did:
If you have any COM port used by your other stuffs, I suggest delete them, and change to other port. Basically, Windows mobile use this port as their default:
Incoming Port : COM4
Outgoing Port: COM5
therefore make this on your computer:
Bluetooth Port COM3
Communication Port COM4
Communication Port COM5
and then set your Activesync to detect COM3
Now you can use Activesync + other thing you may need for LAN
futurity said:
Ok, I've finally had time to get the sequence perfected after setting this up about 10 times (most of them failures).
Here is the working procedure, based heavily on the previous posted procedure with some more detailed instructions that worked for me.
PC Bluetooth:
First off you don't need to create a bluetooth lan connection in order to get LAN or Internet access. We're setting up Internet access via the ActiveSync Proxy.
Install your Bluetooth interface into your PC (for me i just plugged in my Bluetooth USB dongle and it installed using XP drivers, but you may need to install specific software).
On your PC task bar (bottom right next to the time) click on the blue Bluetooth icon (called Bluetooth devices on my PC)
Select "COM Ports", then add, then select "Incoming (device initiates the connection)" then OK. This creates an inbound connection that the Magician can use to talk to the ActiveSync Program.
Note the COM port number of the newly created COM port.
PC ActiveSync:
Open ActiveSync
Select File->Connection Settings
Select the "Allow serial cable or infrared connection to this COM port:" and select the port number that you just created.
Magician Bluetooth:
Select Start > Settings > System > Bluetooth settings.
Select the "Inbound COM port:" box.
Then Select the "Outbound COM port:" box. If it asks you to select a device providing a serial interface, click ok,
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth. but for now close this window by clicking the top right "ok" to close the window. i.e. don't select a new device quite yet.
The Bluetooth settings page should now reappear.
Now press the "Start" button in the middle of the page. Press ok to accept the prompt to select a device providing a serial activesync interface.
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth again.
Here click on Turn on blueooth, make device discoverable, then tab "Devices", search for a new device (ie your pc), create a bond, set up a passcode (0000 etc), your pc should then show a balloon to say your phone is trying to make a connection and requires a pin. Set that Pin to 0000. Your phone should now bond with the PC.
Magician Active Sync:
Next open up ActiveSync on your PPC, and click Tools menu, Connect via bluetooth.
Hopefully, all being well, you should now connect to your pc via bluetooth.
You should be able to browse the internet, or use MSN Messenger, and if you can do that (if on your PC you've got internet pass thru on your ActiveSync), you can use skype, X-ten Softphone, PocketIRC, etc.
If you have any problems, send me a private message and i'll try and talk you trough it.
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worked perfectly
Hi all,
I have a toshiba portege r200 and I'm simply not able to set up ActiveSync to work through bluetooth. The darn computer only sees my phone as a modem.
I have no clue how to do this.
I really cant' see why this has to be so hard. Both units are running stupid microsoft software. Whey the can't microsoft think that people migh want to connect their ppc's to their laptops via bt and just make it work easily?
Please, someone help.
thanks
zsizsi said:
Hi all,
I have a toshiba portege r200 and I'm simply not able to set up ActiveSync to work through bluetooth. The darn computer only sees my phone as a modem.
I have no clue how to do this.
I really cant' see why this has to be so hard. Both units are running stupid microsoft software. Whey the can't microsoft think that people migh want to connect their ppc's to their laptops via bt and just make it work easily?
Please, someone help.
thanks
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I agree 100% that this should be easier. But I think ActiveSync is actually a service that the laptop offers, not the phone. So on the phone, go to your BT manager, select your laptop, and then select services. ActiveSync should be one of the choices. After that, you should be able to connect to ActiveSync via BT, but I think you need to initiate the connection from your phone.
Activesync via Bluetooth
1. Install Active sync
2. Connect phone to USB cable and computer and let active Sync run once.
3. Disconnect USB cable.
4. On your Computers Bluetooth software (add a com port) before you detect the phone (very important).
5. On Active Sync on Computer click "connection Settings" and make sure it is using your com port from step 4.
6. Turn on discovery on your computer.
7. On your Phone go to Bluetooth / devices / New and select your computer enter pin on phone and PC.
8. Go to Active Sync on your phone and click "Connect via Bluetooth."
Hope this helps.
thank you all for your input.
i tried everything you guys suggested and it's still not working. my comp only offers a serial connection. is that ok? it has this toshiba bluetooth software on it not the original windows kind.
when i choose connect via bluetooth on my ppc's activesync it sais there's no computer that supports bt.
any ideas?
thanks again
I have Toshiba Bluetooth control software as well. I am certain it's the incorrect or incomplete BT COM port setting on your PC. A few findings (on my notebook) to share, hope this helps.
1. I have a "Bluetooth Local COM" applet on Control Panel
2. By opening "Bluetooth Local COM" applet I have a list of PORTS
3. The CORRECT port I HAVE TO use IS
"COM7 Toshiba BT Port (COM7) LocalCOM-Server[SerialPort(TOSHIBA LOcalCOM)]
NOT
"COM6 Toshiba BT Port (COM6) LocalCOM-Client"
4. If you don't find the Server COM port, do "create a Bluetooth virtual COM port for a Server"
5. Of course enable by checking the "Connection Settings" "allows connections to one of the following COM#" (7 in my case)
After this, try the steps I suggested. Initiate BT Activesyn from your PDA phone.
Good luck.
Hi,
Thanks for all your effort.
I did what you said and it's still not working.
When I'm trying to connect from my phone via bluetooth it satill sais it cannot find existing blueooth partnership with a pc that supports activesync.
what am i doing wrong?
Thanks
IceGoal said:
I have Toshiba Bluetooth control software as well. I am certain it's the incorrect or incomplete BT COM port setting on your PC. A few findings (on my notebook) to share, hope this helps.
1. I have a "Bluetooth Local COM" applet on Control Panel
2. By opening "Bluetooth Local COM" applet I have a list of PORTS
3. The CORRECT port I HAVE TO use IS
"COM7 Toshiba BT Port (COM7) LocalCOM-Server[SerialPort(TOSHIBA LOcalCOM)]
NOT
"COM6 Toshiba BT Port (COM6) LocalCOM-Client"
4. If you don't find the Server COM port, do "create a Bluetooth virtual COM port for a Server"
5. Of course enable by checking the "Connection Settings" "allows connections to one of the following COM#" (7 in my case)
After this, try the steps I suggested. Initiate BT Activesyn from your PDA phone.
Good luck.
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Phat!! This works for me with my Acer laptop and Bluetooth connection, thanks man!
Sweet, took a few tries, but works like a charm.
Thanks
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I just wanted to bump this to say thanks for posting the bit about using the LocalCOM-Server[SerialPort(TOSHIBA LOcalCOM)] port instead of the client port. Trying to get AS working using the Toshiba stack was driving me around the bend!
My pleasure
I've learned a lot from this wonderful board from a lot of wonderful people. Glad to be part of it!
You're the MAN
Thanks. This also worked for my Cingualr 8125. Many hours wasted. Glad I found this post. Thanks for your help.
this worked on my cingular 8125 as well, zsizsi i think you may have to delete all partnerships that were previously created with handheld on your pc and handheld. if that dosent work then in bluetooth settings go to options and under general tab check box "PAN networking service" that is just something i did while creating partnership not sure if it helps
The only thing that worked for me after 4 days of messing with it was to do a cold boot.
The first thing I did after the boot was to follow the instructions. Voila! ActiveSync magically appeared.
Hi all,
I have exactly the same problem with my qtek9100 and my IBM T43 Laptop.
I tried many times but....still not working!
As zsizsi if I try to make a relationship via PDA, it asks me the pairing key, and I'm blocked.
If I go through PC, I can do pairing, in the services I flag activesync, I configure the same com port that I have on AS (com 8) and when I0'm in the bluetooth wizard on the PDA, related to the PC I can only see 3 services:
hands free
remote connection
serial port
no activesync service to flag.
If I try then with the PDA Menu>BT connection it aswer that there is no relationship with PC supporting AS!!!!What the hell!
The only thing I see is that in my BT config in the local server the BT wizard creates a serial port named My activesync......
I have tried also your suggestion but.....
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this worked on my cingular 8125 as well, zsizsi i think you may have to delete all partnerships that were previously created with handheld on your pc and handheld. if that dosent work then in bluetooth settings go to options and under general tab check box "PAN networking service" that is just something i did while creating partnership not sure if it helps
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thank you soo much for that info...enabling the "PAN networking service" finally allowed me to connect with my toshiba qosmio laptop
If the devices are paired... You have to select a service for the pda BT connection
Only when you manage to select the servive Activesync (a comport has to be valid assingd) then a connectin can be astablished.
In active sync you must assign a com port.
See the manual in activesync BT
Yes, I can guess it.
The rpoblem is that the devices are paired, the activesync service is flagged in the PC (while I do the automatic pairing devices withn a wizard).
But I can't still see the service in my PDA.
I can only find:
Hands free
Serial port
remote connection
No activesync service on the PDA relation wizard...
Any other suggestion?
Another issue.
When I look in my BT services, I can't find an activesync service, but only an icon (com plug) called My activesync.
Look at the properties of this icon I can only flag automatic/manual and Secure/unsecure connection, and there is the window manu to select the com port (that is the same selected in Activesync settings).
Is that correct, or I should find a specific activesync icon (like PIM syncronizing ....)
Blinks....
SKID
Re: Activesync via Bluetooth
IceGoal said:
1. Install Active sync
2. Connect phone to USB cable and computer and let active Sync run once.
3. Disconnect USB cable.
4. On your Computers Bluetooth software (add a com port) before you detect the phone (very important).
5. On Active Sync on Computer click "connection Settings" and make sure it is using your com port from step 4.
6. Turn on discovery on your computer.
7. On your Phone go to Bluetooth / devices / New and select your computer enter pin on phone and PC.
8. Go to Active Sync on your phone and click "Connect via Bluetooth."
Hope this helps.
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FOLLOW THIS STEP BY STEP.... I HAVE DONE IT 3 TIMES FOR MYSELF AND FRIENDS ON DIFFERENT LAPTOPS AND IT WORKED FIRST TIME - EVERYTIME!!!
PS. Delete all existing pairings, relationships, COM ports etc, START FRESH!
THANKS MAN!
Re: Activesync via Bluetooth
IceGoal said:
1. Install Active sync
2. Connect phone to USB cable and computer and let active Sync run once.
3. Disconnect USB cable.
4. On your Computers Bluetooth software (add a com port) before you detect the phone (very important).
5. On Active Sync on Computer click "connection Settings" and make sure it is using your com port from step 4.
6. Turn on discovery on your computer.
7. On your Phone go to Bluetooth / devices / New and select your computer enter pin on phone and PC.
8. Go to Active Sync on your phone and click "Connect via Bluetooth."
Hope this helps.
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Thanks IceGoal, on my HP laptop it works superb.
But I have to say that those people that work on our mobile network provider company are uncapale, because they said that this is impossible to connect.
Thanks again folks.
Hi All,
I've been trying to get my TyTN to sync with my PC with ActiveSync 4.2 (and 4.5 beta) over bluetooth but I can't get it to work. Everytime I try to sync, I get a message saying the service doesn't exist on the device.
Has anyone managed to get it to work???
Advice please...
Dan.
Hey, I did manage to make it work. First of all you need to configure virtual serial port on your desktop/laptop machine, and make Active Sync use this port for synchronization.
Then pair your TyTN with your PC, when you're done pairing devices you should see "Active Sync" service available on your PC. Make TyTN use this service.
Go to ActiveSync (at PDA) and click Menu->Connect with BT... wiat a few moments, allow your PDA use the serial port (if necessary) and you are done
I use BT ActiveSync all the time (AS 4.2) with no issues.
Make sure you've done the following:
- paired both devices
- in AS Connection Settings, enable connections over the BT COM Port from your PC (check in Device Manager if you don't know which one it is).
- in BT Settings on the TyTN, be sure to select the ActiveSync profile on your paired device
I tried to create the virtual (bluetooth) serial port and, although it shows up in Device Manager, it doesn't show up in the list of ports in AS (4.2 or 4.5 beta). Any ideas why?
Thanks,
Dan.
COM 7
In Activesync on the desktop open connection settings and set it up to allow AS to use COM 7. The go to the TYTN and from the AS menu, select connect with Bluetooth. Message will say there is no existing connection and will get you to set one up. When the two devices have paired you should be able to select Activesync as one of the available services. Once that is done, go back to the AS menu on the TYTN, select connect via Bluetooth and bingo you are away. - or so it worked for me.
you should be able to select ActiveSync as one of the available services.
This is my problem, flash. There is no Activesync service on the device to be able to select. Just serial and wireless stereo.
Kevin
kevinnugent said:
you should be able to select ActiveSync as one of the available services.
This is my problem, flash. There is no Activesync service on the device to be able to select. Just serial and wireless stereo.
Kevin
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Same issue here :?
Ditto here.
Dan.
CmptrDan said:
I tried to create the virtual (bluetooth) serial port and, although it shows up in Device Manager, it doesn't show up in the list of ports in AS (4.2 or 4.5 beta). Any ideas why?
Thanks,
Dan.
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It probably won't show up until you go to ActiveSync on the PPC, and choose Menu... Connect via Bluetooth...
It should reopen the Paired Device menu, where you'll find your desktop, and a new option for ActiveSync.
Consider this the final step after the previously described Pairing process.
I understand but, in my case, AS on my PC won't show the new BT serial port in the list of available ports (COM1, COM3, IrDa). Is there something I need to do after I create the BT serial port on my PC so that AS becomes aware of it?
Dan.
In Control Panel... System... Hardware... Device Manager, look under Ports. Do you see the BT COM Port? If not, you probably need to do some work on your desktop's BT setup...
Yes, I do see the BT Serial port in Device Manager but it doesn't show up in Connection Settings in AS.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Dan.
Is the BT Serial Port service "enabled?" If that doesn't help, sorry, I can't think of anything else!
After a lot of strugle with using Wireless Headsets, Serial Ports, Activesync over BT and Sideshow... i managed to have them all work.. on VISTA and XP.
So i decided to write a fully detailed tutorial for whoever needs it.
1. Know your Stack.
if your stack is the toshiba one, when you right click on the bt trayicon you should see OPTIONS..
if your stack is the microsoft one, ... well.. you will not see OPTIONS
2. before starting to deal with services i suggest you download one of the stacks below, according to your demand, and install them. also install Windows Mobile Device Center (from now on WMDC).
This is WMDC6.1 x86...
http://rapidshare.com/files/120340376/MobileDeviceCenter6.1-x86.exe.html
These are both the LATEST versions of both stacks: (up until the day of posting this message of course )
TOSHIBA STACK:
http://rapidshare.com/files/120186967/TOSHIBA_BTSTACK.zip
MS STACK:
http://rapidshare.com/files/120187911/MS_BTSTACK.exe
i strongly suggest you keep both files on your comp as a cover for any services one might provide while the other doesn't.
to save you the trouble. (after a correction from Jadel):
MS Stack works with both Activesync AND sideshow.
TOSHIBA Stack is problematic although more userfriendly AND provides some different options which might come handy. i had to go thru a ****load of trouble to sync it with Vista... and syncing it with XP isn't a teaparty either.
3. after finding out which one you have we can begin.
AS - ActiveSync.
this will probably be the most problematic service to have working since a lot of times it DOESNT APPEAR AS A SERVICE. when you try to sync with the comp it tells you you have to pair it.. even tho the device is already paired with the comp.
XP might be more flexible with this but the solution is for both XP and VISTA.
To Async using TOSHIBA Stack do the following:
a. open Control Panel and open the BT Ports editor..
b. add a port and choose it as a Server.. (usually it rounds up to ports 6 or 7 but you may have to try others..)
c. go to WMDC/Connection Settings and mark "Allow connections to one of the following.." and choose the port you created.
d. on your device go to Bluetooth Settings and add a new device... put the desired passkey... and you should see a list of the services the computer provides the PDA.
e. now this is a bit tricky to deal with. sometimes ActiveSync might not appear there. if it doesn't, go to COM Ports (in bluetooth settings on your device) and add the COM port you added on your comp..
go back to Devices and choose your comp and click Refresh. if ActiveSync appears there, mark it. if it doesn't, you should delete your comp from your device and this time add the port BEFORE finding your comp. it that doesn't work, you should follow the links i will provide soon.
f. on your device, open ActiveSync and under Menu choose Connect Via Bluetooth.
To Async using MICROSOFT Stack do the following:
a. open Control Panel and open Bluetooth Devices
b. click Add and add your device. go to Options and mark "Allow Bluetooth devices to find this computer" and "Allow Bluetooth Devices to connec to this computer". you can also mark other options as desired.
c. go to COM ports and add an INCOMING port. it will choose a port for you automatically.
d. go to WMDC/Connection Settings and mark "Allow connections to one of the following.." and choose the port you created.
e. go back to Devices and choose your PDA. choose Properties and go to Services. there you should see all services your PDA provides. one of them should be Active Sync Bluetooth Service. mark it and click OK. your comp and PDA should connect and disconnect a few secs later.
f. on your device, open ActiveSync and under Menu choose Connect Via Bluetooth.
(if these methods don't work you should follow the reference links in the below post).
SP - Serial Port.
some services demand a serial port. for instance, if you're using the Desktop iGO8 and would like to connect a BT GPS receiver to your comp the serial port service must be enabled. i found TOSHIBA's stack to be much more flexible concerning port usage. in Control panel you have a BT Ports icon somewhere.. if you double click on it.. it will let you play with the ports and change them to help you adjust various devices as well as use the ports as Clients or as Servers. this is important for ActiveSync as well (depending on the device).
An example:
Ipaq's Desktop iGO8 supports a Bluetooth GPS receiver. to use it, you have to define a COM port (just as we did for activesync, depending on your stack)...
you will have to define a port for the receiver and make sure the Serial Port service is marked or the program will not identify the PDA. some programs might NOT need this service at all.
(of course, this is only for people who want to use their PDA's GPS receiver. people who have a seperate GPS receiver might get the port number automatically when pairing it with the computer or have to find the correct port themselves (in older receivers).
also, to use the Networking feature you have to use the Serial port service. (i will post links for this as well).
WH - I would prefer leaving this for later as i play with it a little further.
SS - Sideshow. (Vista Users)
i tried using sideshow on 3 different devices. Wizard, Polaris and Titan.
all 3 came out with nothing when i used the TOSHIBA stack. the devices didn't discover the SideShow service even tho it was installed on my comp and my device was paired with the comp.
now if you're using the MICROSOFT stack.. it's a whole different area.
Alright. so a little batch of detailed insturctions about using this:
(during the process make sure your device is DISCOVERABLE)
IMPORTANT! you should make sure the Sideshow software is active on your device while doing this. i tried syncing the service once with it on and once off and it sorta confused me. so we'll just agree on having it ON.
To use sideshow using TOSHIBA Stack do the following:
a. on your device, go to Bluetooth Settings
b. add your device.
c. look for the Sideshow service in the list. if it's there, Mark it, (on your comp) go to control panel, go to sideshow, and you should be able to mark V on the gadgets you'd like to use.
d. if it's not there, you should add a port on both your device and your computer. the ports should match.
e. go back to devices and refresh the Services list.
f. to my knowledge, if it doesn't work up to this point, give it up
To use sideshow using MICROSOFT Stack do the following:
a. open Control Panel and open Bluetooth Devices
b. click Add and add your device. go to Options and mark "Allow Bluetooth devices to find this computer" and "Allow Bluetooth Devices to connect to this computer". you can also mark other options as desired.
c. go to COM ports and add an INCOMING port. it will choose a port for you automatically.
d. go to Devices and choose your PDA. choose Properties and go to Services. there you should see all services your PDA provides. one of them should be Windows Sideshow. mark it and click OK. your comp and PDA should connect and disconnect a few secs later.
e. go to control panel, go to sideshow, and you should be able to mark V on the gadgets you'd like to use.
after syncing the service and choosing the gadgets you'd like to use from Control Panel/Windows Sideshow you can go back to your device and go back to the sideshow software and click Connect....... ................. ........
TP - Technical Port (this concerns only people who use ASUS's GXP Factory PDA so if you're not, just ignore this).
for the GXP to control Wireless devices such as ELTO's waterpipe controller and Applied Materials' connectors you HAVE to have a Technical port enabled as a service. other than Serial port this is the only service the GXP provides, so you won't have much trouble enabling it as it's part of the software.. it will always appear. MAKE SURE you DO NOT create another bluetooth port as it will use it instead of the default one and you will not be able to control ANY of the wireless devices around you.
i will update this post further on with detailed instructions for the use of every service and some howtos.
Hope it helps.
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hi!
please check your links, they don´t work!
regards
chuckbert
sorry.. i will fix it when i get home.
links are now working and there is a more detailed explenation of.. it all.
if anyone has any additions, good links to other types of instructions or other types of bluetooth stacks.. please post them so i can add them to the guide.
thanks
hi,
first, thanks for this guide. i hope its helping others, but me wasnt successfull : (
here whats up:
dualcore notebook with toshiba bt stack, running Win XP (sp2+ new sp3)
htc polaris, custom rom
what ive done:
a. open Control Panel and open the BT Ports editor..
b. add a port and choose it as a Server.. (usually it rounds up to ports 6 or 7 but you may have to try others..)
heres my configuration:
Port Description Owner
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COM1 Toshiba BT Port (COM1) LocalCOM-Server[SerialPort(Toshiba LocalCOM1)]
COM2 Toshiba BT Port (COM1) LocalCOM-Server[SerialPort(Toshiba LocalCOM2)]
COM3 Motorola SM Speakerphone System
COM4 System
COM5 System
COM6 System
COM7 System
COM8 System
COM9 System
COM10 Toshiba BT Port (COM10) LocalCOM-Server[SerialPort(Toshiba LocalCOM10)]
c. go to WMDC/Connection Settings and mark "Allow connections to one of the following.." and choose the port you created.
-in my case COM1 and COM2
d. on your device go to Bluetooth Settings and add a new device... put the desired passkey... and you should see a list of the services the computer provides the PDA.
-yes, Bluetooth headset and SerialPort
e. now this is a bit tricky to deal with. sometimes ActiveSync might not appear there. if it doesn't, go to COM Ports (in bluetooth settings on your device) and add the COM port you added on your comp..
- not appearing, added the COM1 in the device, same as on notebook
go back to Devices and choose your comp and click Refresh. if ActiveSync appears there, mark it. if it doesn't, you should delete your comp from your device and this time add the port BEFORE finding your comp. it that doesn't work, you should follow the links i will provide soon.
- still not appearing, deleted my Notebook on the devices list. I tried to add the port before it found my notebook, but thats impossible because i cannot change the view when its searching bluetooth devices.
f. on your device, open ActiveSync and under Menu choose Connect Via Bluetooth.
- a dream
im fking sad its not working, i tried other tutorials, but alsways same result, been reinstalling AS, the BT stack.. the only thing i made no hardreset yet on my polaris.
to analyse:
choosing COM4 and COM7 on my device, it runs an error: The COM Port couldnt be done. Check the Settings und retry.
On my notebook i cannot delete COM4 till COM9, because they are used by the system.
I can only choose from COM0 (Zero) to COM9 in my device.
I have no problem to send/receive files from my notebook to pda and reverse.
if you have any suggestions to go further, really appreciated.
would be nice if you hit me a pm or start a convo on msn : )
thanbks so far
manaaa
**edit**
i attached the ports configuration after a fresh toschiba BT stack install
(POST EDITED)
Hi Nir36, awesome post! I had planned on doing this myself at some stage, but your details are far more inclusive than mine would have been. Good work!!
Here are a few additions:
In relation to Activesync and Bluetooth, the only way I personally (using a HTC Himalaya, WM6.1) was able to connect was by partnering the two devices from the mobile device side, not the PC side. I could only do this using Windows Xp’s built in Bluetooth drivers, and my device’s built-in Bluetooth drivers. Other drivers did not work for me. I suspect that whatever drivers you use on your mobile device should be used by the PC as well.
The information provided below is from me, the Windows Forum and Treo Central Forum, cobbled together and edited to suit this site. So cheers to those folk over there. It is for users of Windows XP.
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1. First of all, open up “Control Panel” and open “Bluetooth Devices”.
2. Under the “Options” tab, tick the boxes in “Allow Bluetooth devices to connect to this computer” and “Alert me when a new Bluetooth device want to” and “Show the Bluetooth icon in the notification area” and “Turn discovery on”.
3. Under the “COM Ports” tab, click add. Add an incoming COM port below 9 (it appears numbers higher than that are not recognized). Click the “OK” button.
Now for the next part:
1. Ensure Bluetooth is turned on, on both your PC and Mobile Device, and each is in Discover Mode.
2. In Bluetooth setup on your Mobile Device, DELETE any existing partnership with the PC.
3. In Activesync on the Mobile Device, choose Connect via Bluetooth. Activesync will say it cannot, but will ask if you want to set up a new partnership. Choose yes.
4. When the Mobile Device Bluetooth application comes up and presents the Devices tab, click “Add New Device”. Go through the normal pairing process when it finds your PC (entering passcode on Mobile Device, accepting connection on PC, entering passcode on PC, etc.). It will probably not show "Activesync" as a service on the PC yet (you may have to tap on the “Advanced” tab to see the list of services provided from your PC).
NOTE: Sometimes the Bluetooth icon on your PC will not let you know that a Mobile Device is trying to connect until you double-click on it.
5. In ActiveSync on the PC, go to Connection Settings. Verify that it allowing connections via com ports (combo box) is checked and you can see a list of available com ports.
6. Here's the trial and error part. Start by selecting the same COM port in the list as what you selected under Bluetooth Devices on the PC, clicking OK. If Activesysnc gives you an error, start Step 5 over again and choose the next COM port on the list (change the one under Bluetooth Devices in Control Panel first) until you get one that does not produce an ActiveSync error (cannot connect to COM port). NOTE: DO NOT select "Bluetooth" from the drop down list. Don't forget to click OK each time and to close the Connection Settings dialog box.
7. On the Mobile Device click refresh. If "Activesync" shows up as a service from the PC, check it and you should be OK to select "Connect via Bluetooth" on the Mobile Device and start synchronizing. If "Activesync" still does not show up as a service, go back to Step 5 and just keep moving on to the next COM port in the list. One of them should work eventually.
NOTE: Others suggest that you need to make a connection with the PC first using the cradle and Activesync. Using the above steps, this was not the case in my case. I connected straight away with Bluetooth without ever first having to connect my device using the cradle and USB.
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Connecting external Bluetooth GPS receivers to your Mobile Device for use with navigation software ie TomTom, Garmin etc
(by Jadel)
1. Switch your Bluetooth GPS device on (this example is with an early model Navman external GPS device).
2. Pair your Bluetooth GPS device with your Mobile Device first using your device Bluetooth manager (Go to the devices tab and “Add new device”, click on the name corresponding to your external Bluetooth device, entering passcode on Mobile Device which should come with GPS device’s documentation).
3. After this, make sure to choose the “Advanced” option which will give you the choice of choosing a serial connection. Select it and click “save”.
4. Go to the tab down the bottom that says “COM Ports” a new “Outgoing Connection” and then which port you want to use. I always choose COM5 as this seems to work fastest, most stable etc (on a HTC Himalaya and HTC Hermes).
5. Then, leave your Mobile Devices bluetooth on and in discoverable mode.
6. After this, load up your software (TomTom/Garmin etc).
7. The correct COM port should then appear in the list of possible COM ports for you to choose from in your software’s External Bluetooth GPS device section (the correct COM port should be the same as the outgoing COM port ie COM5). After that, all should be well with the world.
Note: Sometimes your mobile device may reset when it is scanning the COM port in your navigation software if the incorrect COM port is chosen.
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Go online with Activesync: Skype over Bluetooth Activesync
(by Jadel)
If you managed to get your device to sync over Bluetooth using the above guide, then most of this should work automatically. If you connect correctly, you should be able to use most internet related applications on your device such as MSN Messenger, Windows Live, Pocket Internet Explorer (PIE) and Opera. Email should also work.
But you can also use Skype! Even though it says you need WiFi or 3G, it can also work over Bluetooth ActiveSync.
This means that if someone else is using the computer (family members etc) you can still call people and send messages to them over Skype.
1. Install the SkypeforPocketPC.cab file on your phone.
2. After it installs, log in, and make sure it remembers your login details, by ticking the “remember me” box.
3. When it asks how you plan to connect, make sure to chose “Wifi and 3G”.
4. If you choose just Wifi, it won’t work.
That should be all you need! You may need to restart your device or re-establish the Activesync to get it to work. The first time I tried this, I was able to do the echo test and pass, but my messages did not send. The second time I connected, everything worked.
And having tested Skype over Bluetooth Activesync many times, I can tell you that the sound was perfect/crystal clear. I think the minimum you need for Skype is about 54Mbps, whereas Bluetooth 1.1 (older Bluetooth) transfers at about 750Mbps if I am not mistaken.
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Cheers Nir36.
PS Good work!
Jadel, this is great. i don't want to add it to my post.. but to leave it like this.. it's much better having a whole thread concucted by different people with different solutions than having one guide.
i would be happy if other people added more posts like this one.. so we can collect a whole thread for others to look at when they need to solve their bluetooth issues.
i will be developing it more.. adding links and such.. but it'll take time as i'm in the middle of my final exams.
and in reference to manaa's problem.
from what i've read around in different websites, no one was able to have the ActiveSync service show when using ports other than 5-9 (only when using TOSHIBA's Stack. when using MS Stack you can use any port to my knowledge). if anyone made it thru other ports, please post the solution here. i suggest you try and check if you can switch some system ports to other ports and then move one of your BT server ports to 5,6,7,8 or 9... and then try again.
hope it works.
i hope that with time we will be able to build up a pack of solutions for anyone who wishes to use AS with TOSHIBA's stack.. so that we won't have to go thru all that trial and error **** everytime.
Sounds like a good idea Nir36. Have edited my post down slightly so as to leave it as is. Will try add to it when I get the chance as well.
PS did you have a look at this section of your post below?
Under your description for “Async using Microsoft bluetooth stack”, part D mentions Windows Mobile Device Centre. Are you sure this shouldn’t be Activesync? Just checking.
Cheers!
well.. XP AND Vista can both work with WMDC. i'm assuming that people would upgade from ActiveSync to WMDC. the MICROSOFT Stack has nothing to do with either WMDC or ActiveSync... they are both PC clients, not drivers.
to be clear. WMDC and ActiveSync can both work with MICROSOFT Stack and TOSHIBA Stack.
WMDC6.1 x86... Got that in Vista64 flavour?
What version Toshiba stack is this?
Also, why do you even need the MS stack? I have everything from activesync to A2DP, to PAN (basically, you name it and it works) functioning with just the toshiba stack.
I'm running XP.
sonus said:
What version Toshiba stack is this?
Also, why do you even need the MS stack? I have everything from activesync to A2DP, to PAN (basically, you name it and it works) functioning with just the toshiba stack.
I'm running XP.
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well, it depends on your device rather than on your stack (sometimes).
i have a Polaris and when i try to get an ActiveSync service using the toshiba stack i .. well.. can't. so i have to use MS stack which works wonderfully.
it's less GUI'd but it's working.
desolateone said:
WMDC6.1 x86... Got that in Vista64 flavour?
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i'll add a link to x64 soon.
nir36 said:
well, it depends on your device rather than on your stack (sometimes).
i have a Polaris and when i try to get an ActiveSync service using the toshiba stack i .. well.. can't. so i have to use MS stack which works wonderfully.
it's less GUI'd but it's working.
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That's odd, I also have a Polaris...ActiveSync works without any issues on my Toshiba stack. What version of the Toshiba stack did you post?