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2gb sd ext?!

So, I recently received my replacement and immediately got it rooted. Since I have tons of apps, I rely on transfering some apps to my SD to get me by. I read that EXT3 would be more appropriate for Myn's 2.2, so I formatted my SD EXT with 0MB swap size and 2GB space with the EXT3 format. Everything seems to have worked fine. I use 'App 2 SD Pro' to notify me of apps that are capable of transferring over and it still shows that I have 22.7GB available on my SD Card. Shouldn't it limit it to the 2GB I dedicated?

There are different kinds of apps2sd. There's the old way, where you format part of your SD card to ext2/3/4 and you have symlinks from your /data/apps directory to that partition. Then there's the new way, where Google let's you put your apps on the FAT32 partition (normal) of your SD card in the .android_secure folder.
If you're doing it with Android's built-in apps2sd functionality, then you don't need to partition your card for ext2/3/4 to put your apps on your SD card.

I run a 500mb ext4 partition, I am using dark tremors a2sd. I use a2sd from the market and it also tells me how much free space is left on the whole SD instead of how much free space is left on the ext partition.
Here's what mine looks like.
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sultan.of.swing said:
I run a 500mb ext4 partition, I am using dark tremors a2sd. I use a2sd from the market and it also tells me how much free space is left on the whole SD instead of how much free space is left on the ext partition.
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In your first pic, you have a2sd+, 384 of 457 available... That's your ext partition, no???
Edit: Bold quoted text... Still confused...

gpz1100 said:
In your first pic, you have a2sd+, 384 of 457 available... That's your ext partition, no???
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Correct. That's the ext partition.

its just the space on the extened partion of the memory.

What's the difference between using Dark Tremor's and Google's built-in? I'm on Myn's 2.2 btw.

Also, how do I get the remaining A2SD+ ext space I have? Can't find it anywhere.

sultan.of.swing said:
Correct. That's the ext partition.
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I don't understand?? Edit, disregard. I think your pic is showing the contents of both partitions individually.
@akarol, a little searching goes A LONG way. All your questions are answered in the first post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715938

Well, ok... that clarifies things a bit. However, I seem to not even know which version I am currently using. I am running Myn's 2.2 RLS 5 atm which I think might just use Froyo's method. For example, App 2 SD Pro guides me to the Manage Application screen for that specific app to move to/from SD. Does this mean I am using Froyo's method? If I am, then I don't need any EXT on my SD card right? If so, how do I remove it in Amon RA's recovery and will I need to wipe my ROM and start from scratch?

akarol said:
Well, ok... that clarifies things a bit. However, I seem to not even know which version I am currently using. I am running Myn's 2.2 RLS 5 atm which I think might just use Froyo's method. For example, App 2 SD Pro guides me to the Manage Application screen for that specific app to move to/from SD. Does this mean I am using Froyo's method? If I am, then I don't need any EXT on my SD card right? If so, how do I remove it in Amon RA's recovery and will I need to wipe my ROM and start from scratch?
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I am not familiar with Myn's roms, but a quick look at the main thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=793471), seven bullets down from "Some of the features in RLS 5 (01-07-2011) include:", it clearly says, "Updated Darktremor Apps2SD (2.7.5.2)".
Then, in post #3 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8341836&postcount=3), in the FAQ section, there's a link to more info on the apps2sd function.
Personally, I think the write up in the DT thread is more than sufficient at explaining what it is, and how to set it up. What you are probably missing is that by having DT installed, your apps are automatically installed to the ext partition, transparent to the system. If, you now use the move2sd function in settings/applications, you are in essence, moving them from the ext3 partition (on the sd card) to the main partition (also on the sd card). I see little benefit to do this. Either use one method or the other.
This brings up the point, that with the DT method, even apps that traditionally can not reside on the SD card can do so (usually) without issue. I forget the criteria for being able to be moved, but suspect it has something to do with the fact that the main /sdcard partition can be unmounted from the system's view when connected via usb. DT's method secures the ext partition from such actions.

gpz1100 said:
I am not familiar with Myn's roms, but a quick look at the main thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=793471), seven bullets down from "Some of the features in RLS 5 (01-07-2011) include:", it clearly says, "Updated Darktremor Apps2SD (2.7.5.2)".
Then, in post #3 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8341836&postcount=3), in the FAQ section, there's a link to more info on the apps2sd function.
Personally, I think the write up in the DT thread is more than sufficient at explaining what it is, and how to set it up. What you are probably missing is that by having DT installed, your apps are automatically installed to the ext partition, transparent to the system. If, you now use the move2sd function in settings/applications, you are in essence, moving them from the ext3 partition (on the sd card) to the main partition (also on the sd card). I see little benefit to do this. Either use one method or the other.
This brings up the point, that with the DT method, even apps that traditionally can not reside on the SD card can do so (usually) without issue. I forget the criteria for being able to be moved, but suspect it has something to do with the fact that the main /sdcard partition can be unmounted from the system's view when connected via usb. DT's method secures the ext partition from such actions.
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Wow, thanks! I customized my a2sd settings as instructured in post #3. However, I still cannot verify that my apps are placed on the EXT partition or in the main partition of the SD card. Any way to do this?

[ANSWER] Safe Partitioning - How to confirm?

As we all know, most of our phones have at least a couple of bad blocks in the NAND memory. The biggest and most common problem because of this is that when you create a partition of 'x'MB, the actual partition will be 'x-something'MB. This is because partitioning does not account for bad blocks.
So if a ROM requires 150MB of /system partition (which you create - using HD2 Toolkit or cLK 1.5), you *might* end up with less than 150MB. ROM devs usually factor this in and give a room of at least 5 ~10 MB for installing additional stuff in /system as well as bad blocks. But you will have a problem if the 150 MB partition you create has enough bad blocks making it less than, in my example, 145 or 140 MB.
The most safest way I have seen to make sure you /system has enough space-
Extract you ROM's zip file, and check the size of the directory named system
Repartition your phone like you normally do
Boot to ClockWorkMod and format all partitions
Mount the /system partition in ClockWorkMod
Connect your phone to your computer, ensure you had ABD drivers installed
Head to QtADB and download the most appropriate version for you - there is one for Linux x86, Linux x64, Windows and Mac. Also download the required binary files for Linux, Windows or MacOS. Extract all QtADB zip as well as the binary zip to the same directory. Launch QtADB. On first launch, if it asks for the binaries, point it to the right directory
In QtADB, select the "Phone Info" icon. You will see something like this:
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As you can see from the image, my /system is 195.31 MB. I had partitioned my NAND for 200 MB system partition, but am losing 4.69MB to bad blocks
If I am installing a ROM, I need to make sure the system directory in its zip file does not exceed this size, or increase the partition size accordingly.
Also, when flashing a ROM, you can refresh QtADB to see the /system partitioning filling up. Make sure the actual space in the system partition is 10 or 15 MB larger than the ROM's system directory. The most common symptom of an inadequate system partition is bootlooping, and other weird/ uncommon behavior.
Hope this little guide helps at least some of us. Happy Flashing

ph03n!x said:
As we all know, most of our phones have at least a couple of bad blocks in the NAND memory. The biggest and most common problem because of this is that when you create a partition of 'x'MB, the actual partition will be 'x-something'MB. This is because partitioning does not account for bad blocks.
So if a ROM requires 150MB of /system partition (which you create - using HD2 Toolkit or cLK 1.5), you *might* end up with less than 150MB. ROM devs usually factor this in and give a room of at least 5 ~10 MB for installing additional stuff in /system as well as bad blocks. But you will have a problem if the 150 MB partition you create has enough bad blocks making it less than, in my example, 145 or 140 MB.
The most safest way I have seen to make sure you /system has enough space-
Extract you ROM's zip file, and check the size of the directory named system
Repartition your phone like you normally do
Boot to ClockWorkMod and format all partitions
Mount the /system partition in ClockWorkMod
Connect your phone to your computer, ensure you had ABD drivers installed
Head to QtADB and download the most appropriate version for you - there is one for Linux x86, Linux x64, Windows and Mac. Also download the required binary files for Linux, Windows or MacOS. Extract all QtADB zip as well as the binary zip to the same directory. Launch QtADB. On first launch, if it asks for the binaries, point it to the right directory
In QtADB, select the "Phone Info" icon. You will see something like this:
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As you can see from the image, my /system is 195.31 MB. I had partitioned my NAND for 200 MB system partition, but am losing 4.69MB to bad blocks
If I am installing a ROM, I need to make sure the system directory in its zip file does not exceed this size, or increase the partition size accordingly.
Also, when flashing a ROM, you can refresh QtADB to see the /system partitioning filling up. Make sure the actual space in the system partition is 10 or 15 MB larger than the ROM's system directory. The most common symptom of an inadequate system partition is bootlooping, and other weird/ uncommon behavior.
Hope this little guide helps at least some of us. Happy Flashing
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Thanks for this, I've been looking for a way to check something like this out. I don't have the time now though, but I might try it later depending again on time constraints. I feel that for now I'm OK since I've only had the phone since Jan 2011 and I used SD Android for quite a while before switching to NAND, but it never hurts to know things like this. Thus far though the recommended partition size has always worked for me and I've always seen 2-3Mb space free in the 'System ROM' setting in Titanium backup.
In fact, that gets me wondering can you literally just do step 1, then flash a partition size larger than needed (e.g. for a 150Mb ROM flash a 200Mb partition), calculate how much space you should have free (i.e. 50Mb in this case), check in Titanium Backup how much space you actually have free and subtract the latter from the first, giving you the free space? If this would work, it would save even more time.
Of course, I may be COMPLETELY misunderstanding what the 'System ROM' thing in Titanium Backup is, tbh I'm not into the technical side of things very much.

@Nigeldg- Titanium Backup is something I used to check the sizes earlier. But then, it's not quite accurate. My 200MB /system partition shows as 209MB in Titanium
I have never had any issues in using a bigger partition than required. I initially had a 445 MB as default when I was trying out a bunch of ROMs...
Swyped from my HTC HD2 (ICS 4.0.4)

ph03n!x said:
@Nigeldg- Titanium Backup is something I used to check the sizes earlier. But then, it's not quite accurate. My 200MB /system partition shows as 209MB in Titanium
I have never had any issues in using a bigger partition than required. I initially had a 445 MB as default when I was trying out a bunch of ROMs...
Swyped from my HTC HD2 (ICS 4.0.4)
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Actually I see you're right, my 165mb partition reads as 173mb. Still, perhaps it's consistently 8-9mb over? Just a guess, although I would obviously need someone with a different partition size to confirm this

Nigeldg said:
Actually I see you're right, my 165mb partition reads as 173mb. Still, perhaps it's consistently 8-9mb over? Just a guess, although I would obviously need someone with a different partition size to confirm this
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For a raw sizing, open terminal emulator (or ADB shell) and type df
Again, this wont count the bad blocks you have...

when you wantto flash a new rom, first resize the system partition with more 10M than the new rom needed... it is a simple method to solve the problem...

Good find ph03n!x !!! I just use root explorer to determine my partition sizes. Lucky, ive only had bad blocks in my userdata partition. (Knocks on wood) Hopefully i wont have anymore

ph03n!x said:
@Nigeldg- Titanium Backup is something I used to check the sizes earlier. But then, it's not quite accurate. My 200MB /system partition shows as 209MB in Titanium
I have never had any issues in using a bigger partition than required. I initially had a 445 MB as default when I was trying out a bunch of ROMs...
Swyped from my HTC HD2 (ICS 4.0.4)
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I know this thread is a bit old now and generally I don't bring up an old thread again, but in Tytungs CM9 there was a short discussion about this and I was given a solution by agbommarito:
agbommarito said:
Titanium Backup has an option under GUI Preferences to change its interpretation of memory. If it is set for binary units, a kilobyte = 1024 bytes and Titanium will display MiB. If it is set for decimal units, a kilobyte is 1000 bytes and Titanium will display MB (without the little "i').
165 MiB (where a MiB is 1024x1024) = 173 MB (where a MB is 1000x1000).
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So if anyone wanted to check their partition size, they CAN just use Titanium to do it

@nigeldg, I tried that and am getting 200MB, which is indeed my partition size- but it is not accounting for the bad block I have in my /system!
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Swyped from my HTC HD2 (ICS 4.0.4)

ph03n!x said:
@nigeldg, I tried that and am getting 200MB, which is indeed my partition size- but it is not accounting for the bad block I have in my /system!
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Swyped from my HTC HD2 (ICS 4.0.4)
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Alright I get it now. Perhaps flashing a larger partition size, then seeing how much free space you should have in /system versus seeing how much space you actually have in /system would do the trick (basically a combination of the first thing I suggested a while back and the new solution as well). Of course, this wouldn't tell you how many bad blocks you have but the amount of space which is taken up should be sufficient data. Again, I'm not sure whether or not this would work but in theory I think it should.

Well, my point is to check the partition size before flashing a ROM, making sure the actual size on /system is sufficient- by checking the size of the system directory in the ROM's zip
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Swyped from my HTC HD2 (ICS 4.0.4)

Using 16GB card for streak 5 internal SD

Hmm... this is quite interesting which i taught i want to show you guys this... screenshots taken from my streak 5 of course
When you guys see the red arrow pointing to what... you guys will know what i mean :victory:
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UPDATE:
While i was playing around today, i managed to get it like in the image below. See where the red arrow pointing at? Neat isnt it?
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p/s: Using 16GB Kingmax class 10 microSDHC for internal and external sd

Now you guys are curious how i managed to do that?
FIRST OF ALL:
You need to open the streak housing ... follow the link below and good luck.. be gentle and be careful .. just do it slow and steady and you will be ok ... no need to rush anything there ... :good:
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Dell-Streak-Teardown/3512/1
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NEXT - SELECT APPROPRIATE USER TYPE:-
LINUX USERS:
Just follow this link > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24799755&postcount=65
WINDOWS USERS:
first.. get this... http://www.alexpage.de/usb-image-tool/
make sure it is USB Image Tool 1.59 when you download...
next get gparted-live-0.13.1-2.iso
burn it to the CD...
- after you have extracted the usb image tool... open USB Image Tool.exe
- select the corresponding usb drive and click backup, save it something like streakinternal.img
- it will take some time to complete ( have instant noodle for the time being )
- once done... replace the sd card that you want to transfer the image to and click restore and select the earlier streakinternal.img
- again.. it will take some time to complete (you can have snack this time )
note: make sure the target sdcard is the same or bigger in size (obviously)...
- once completed...
- reboot your pc and insert the burned CD earlier... let it boot from it... just press enter to everything it ask until it fully loaded into linux environment
- gparted should already show your sdcard drive there... it should show /dev/sda1 and below it got two more partition /dev/sda5 (ext3) and /dev/sda6 (ext3)
- select /dev/sda1 and right click it and select move/resize
- there should be visual displaying the drive structure and on the right, there should be arrow, drag it to the most right, click ok
- now, select /dev/sda6 and right click it and select move/resize
- again, on it, there should be arrow on the right, drag it to the most right and click ok
- once all that done, click apply and it will start to do its work..
- let it completes it work and your sd card now should be able to be use as internal sd...
- your streak should be able to boot straight away.. no need to wipe cache or something like that...
- have fun having big internal sd
p/s: i wrote this based on my memory, i hope i dont messed it up
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POSSIBLE FAQ:
-- 01 --
Q - Will the method used gone if i do factory reset?
A - Nope. You can safely do it and the structure will be maintained.
-- 02 --
Q - Can i use more than 16gb card?
A - Theoretically, yes.
-- 03 --
Q - Can we use this as sd storage as well?
A - Sorry. We cant because it is formated in ext3, so windows see it as unformatted medium.
-- 04 --
Q - Cant we create shortcut in external sd to access it?
A - Sorry. We cant because symlink does not work on any windows formatted medium since external sd usually formatted in fat32
-- 05 --
Q - Cant we mount this at all?
A - Somebody has tried it before but since the internal sd never meant to be accessed externally, the support is pretty much impossible.
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Q - How can we access it and where is it located?
A - To access the space, you can use root explorer and wifi file explorer (anything similar will do) and it is located at /data from /
Therefore, you must be rooted to access it.
-- 07 --
Q - So, what the hell am i supposed to do with those huge extra GBs?
A - Well, you can brag bout it to your friends, saying it got this huge internal sd space and can install hundreds of applications or games and still got space left for more.
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MORE ADVANCED MODS.:
If you think having large innerSD is not enough, we could have larger /system dir and possible dual usb mount support by default (in the near future hopefully) for our streak 5.
Have a visit to the link below...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31643924&postcount=98
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Our streak 5 might be old but it is still competitive regardless
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Did u change internal storage?we can use that as sd storage or not?
Sent from my Dell Streak using Tapatalk 2

Which SD card is this? I mean make and class...
Sent from my Dell Streak using xda premium

details please..!!!
BEEN TRYING WITH 16GB CARD...REIMAGED THE CARD WITH EXT3 AND ALL BUT IT WOULD NOT ACCEPT 16GB CARD......PLEASE GIVE US MORE DETAIL ON HOW TOs....THANKS IN ADVANCED..

He just installed a 16gb card and formatted it properly.
You must use extended partitions and not primary ones, at least that's what the stock card is set up as

TheManii said:
He just installed a 16gb card and formatted it properly.
You must use extended partitions and not primary ones, at least that's what the stock card is set up as
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Does the benefit come from the class of the sd card or the size? or is it the format (ext3vs4 or some such thing)?

ellisna said:
Does the benefit come from the class of the sd card or the size?
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class for sd card means speed... so the higher the better..

Speed class determines it's actual read and write speed, FS is important as ext4 is the most efficient fs currently available.
It's supposed to be a good deal faster then yaffs2 and more efficient then ext3

TheManii said:
Speed class determines it's actual read and write speed, FS is important as ext4 is the most efficient fs currently available.
It's supposed to be a good deal faster then yaffs2 and more efficient then ext3
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i go on and make it ext4 both for cache and data for the internal sd.. boots up normally and yes... you can see something faster...
its a shame that the CWM 6 not supported ext4 and therefore nandroid backup is impossible for now...
i also tried and make both internal and external sd not in the slot... and see if streak manages to boot up or not.. well... it stuck at dell logo.. lol
so internal sd is a must so that phone can boot due to the needs of use cache and data dir...

I can easily make a build that supports it, it's just that the rom must also support it.
The rom could likely be modified to mount /firstboot as /data, but there's not enough partitions to also have /cache on the nand.

TheManii said:
I can easily make a build that supports it, it's just that the rom must also support it.
The rom could likely be modified to mount /firstboot as /data, but there's not enough partitions to also have /cache on the nand.
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i see...
well i am using longhorn 2.9.3...
CWM 6 cant read ext4 because how the script work? i really thought it could since it is newer and i know streakmod had issues with ext4...
but when i am thinking back.. it seems it have same baseworks...

It's turned off on the normal S5 build as ext4 requires additional modules, as it normally doesnt use ext4 I simply built it with them off.
I dont recall of CWM 1.8/2.5 (which streakmod is based off of) even supports ext4, the earliest one I can confirm it does is 4.0 as that was the 1st version built against the stock GB recovery. GB was the 1st rom that uses ext4 by default (on devices that launched with GB or newer)

Themanni.
Can we have a third partition on the inner sdcard??? To use as external storage. If so can you help/guide how to!
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I havnt actually tried it (but I plan to some day in the future): just manually make the partitions and add an extra one onto the end for /system.
At that point: unless you follow a standardized layout, you're going to need to manually build CWM as CWM needs to know ahead of time the layout and size of the partitions it's going to deal with. If it doesnt it could lead to corrupt filesystems on flashes/nandroids.
If I ever do build it, it'll either be for a 8 or 16 gb card with a defined set of partitions.
You'll also need to modify the rom to actually boot from innerSDx too.

TheManii said:
It's turned off on the normal S5 build as ext4 requires additional modules, as it normally doesnt use ext4 I simply built it with them off.
I dont recall of CWM 1.8/2.5 (which streakmod is based off of) even supports ext4, the earliest one I can confirm it does is 4.0 as that was the 1st version built against the stock GB recovery. GB was the 1st rom that uses ext4 by default (on devices that launched with GB or newer)
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well... i would appreciate if you could make it support by default of ext4... no harm to it right?
lol.. i really thought streakmod comes from 4.0 but it seems i missed that... man ... streakmod really so obselete..

TheManii said:
I havnt actually tried it (but I plan to some day in the future): just manually make the partitions and add an extra one onto the end for /system.
At that point: unless you follow a standardized layout, you're going to need to manually build CWM as CWM needs to know ahead of time the layout and size of the partitions it's going to deal with. If it doesnt it could lead to corrupt filesystems on flashes/nandroids.
If I ever do build it, it'll either be for a 8 or 16 gb card with a defined set of partitions.
You'll also need to modify the rom to actually boot from innerSDx too.
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although i really welcome additional 3rd partition.. dont it have issues with mounting? because how streak works and meant to be, it never have one such as sd-ext ... i mean... some have tried to make it appear on windows but failed miserably.. and thus gave up on it.. and since the fs is ext type, we do need to install driver for it such as Ext2Fsd to make it able to read and write on windows... also.. for media file, it may not detect it unless we explicitly want the third partition to be used only for storage .... but if we can make it able to detect media.. that would be even better...
currently that work wonder is by using wifi file browser for now... for storing file inside /data

sd-ext is/was rather redundant as the S5 has a very large (for it's time) /data.
If anything you'd be better off making a large partition to mount as /sdcard and chainmount the real sdcard as /sdcard/sdcard2 or just /sdcard2 on ICS.
I have no idea how easy/hard all this is, I havnt tried any of it.
It really depends on if the kernal can detect additional partitions beyond innerSD0p6
I've bugged n0p about adding MTP into the ICS kernal so you can simply have a very large /data + /data/media, but he's not interested.
(though like it sounds, it only works on ICS or newer, it was introduced in HC 3.2, but we dont have a rom for that)

TheManii said:
sd-ext is/was rather redundant as the S5 has a very large (for it's time) /data.
If anything you'd be better off making a large partition to mount as /sdcard and chainmount the real sdcard as /sdcard/sdcard2 or just /sdcard2 on ICS.
I have no idea how easy/hard all this is, I havnt tried any of it.
It really depends on if the kernal can detect additional partitions beyond innerSD0p6
I've bugged n0p about adding MTP into the ICS kernal so you can simply have a very large /data + /data/media, but he's not interested.
(though like it sounds, it only works on ICS or newer, it was introduced in HC 3.2, but we dont have a rom for that)
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thats what i have been trying to do this past weeks.. making it /sdcard and chainmount the real sdcard as /sdcard/sdcard2 but to no avail... as it has no real solution to it...
mtp support is a huge leap since many says it has better file handling protocol but if its get added to ics that we have here.. wow.. that one is a huge plus for us.. :good:

have you edited your vold.fstab?
You need to edit that and change the mounts in your ramdisk at the minimum to do so

[Q] How much space is actually usable on Nexus 10?

Google advertizes that I can get up to 32GB of internal memory on the Nexus 10.
I am thinking about getting this tablet, but it doesn't have a MicroSD card slot, so I need to know this:
How much of the internal 32GB can I actually use?
Does the ROM take up some of that space, and how much?

isaacwg said:
Google advertizes that I can get up to 32GB of internal memory on the Nexus 10.
I am thinking about getting this tablet, but it doesn't have a MicroSD card slot, so I need to know this:
How much of the internal 32GB can I actually use?
Does the ROM take up some of that space, and how much?
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29.71 GB of free space + you can get more via usb otg.

Not bad...
lKBZl said:
29.71 GB of free space + you can get more via usb otg.
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Well, that's not too bad. And USB OTG looks quite interesting.
Thanks for the quick reply.

isaacwg said:
Well, that's not too bad. And USB OTG looks quite interesting.
Thanks for the quick reply.
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I ordered a USB OTG from Amazon but it's coming from China is there a USA source?

This may help you...
ClutchKargo said:
I ordered a USB OTG from Amazon but it's coming from China is there a USA source?
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On Amazon's website, when looking at a product, under the "add to cart" box, there is another box labeled "More Buying Choices".
That is probably what you want.

So what about the ROM?
OK, here is one thing that is not quite clear to me.
lKBZl, you said that the Nexus 10 has 29.71 GB of free space, but where is the ROM stored?
Am I right in assuming the ROM is stored on a separate partition, and the usable partition is 32GB?
So wouldn't that make the internal memory's real capacity larger than 32GB?

16gig
What about 16gig version ?

Ashirmittal said:
What about 16gig version ?
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13.05gb on my 16gig, but I have an USB otg so no worries for me as I have plenty micro SD cards for storage.
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isaacwg said:
OK, here is one thing that is not quite clear to me.
lKBZl, you said that the Nexus 10 has 29.71 GB of free space, but where is the ROM stored?
Am I right in assuming the ROM is stored on a separate partition, and the usable partition is 32GB?
So wouldn't that make the internal memory's real capacity larger than 32GB?
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32 gb is the total size of the storage capacity.
29.71gb is what is left for you to use as you wish.
Of the 3 or so gb missing, part of that is the os partition (/system) that contains the rom, kernel, etc.
And a smaller portion of that is strictly from the format process, small files that allow the memory to work.

trickster2369 said:
32 gb is the total size of the storage capacity.
29.71gb is what is left for you to use as you wish.
Of the 3 or so gb missing, part of that is the os partition (/system) that contains the rom, kernel, etc.
And a smaller portion of that is strictly from the format process, small files that allow the memory to work.
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OK, thanks. That clears things up for me.

isaacwg said:
OK, thanks. That clears things up for me.
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Lol I though you'd have understood that with the space left from the 29,71 to 32, it means that there is rom and etc.
If you guys want to buy an otg adapter, I recommend not to buy a cable like this: http://www.amazon.com/T-Flash-Adapt..._2?ie=UTF8&qid=1357413912&sr=8-2&keywords=otg
since then you won't be able to use a pendrive and a headphones. Something like this is better (in my opinion):
http://www.amazon.com/SANOXY-Micro-...F8&qid=1357413953&sr=8-7&keywords=otg+adapter

I looked at afew of the otg cables when I ordered my case, but none of them get any really good reviews. Maybe I am to picky dunno I will look to see if I can find any around where I live.

Can someone with a Nexus 10 tell me how much total space is on the /system partition, how much on the /data partition and how much on the mnt/sdcard partition. Also of which how much of that is available on a clean phone on each partition. Thanks

Gizmotech said:
Can someone with a Nexus 10 tell me how much total space is on the /system partition, how much on the /data partition and how much on the mnt/sdcard partition. Also of which how much of that is available on a clean phone on each partition. Thanks
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Total values are what you're looking for.
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Thanks. And this is for a clean rom with nothing installed yet right?
It looks like /data and /sdcard are not separate partitions instead directories on the same partition unless you have binded the 2 directories Can someone confirm this please?

I'm a little late to the party but a 32GB once formated usually lose ~7% once formated as FAT/NTFS.
EXT4 should probavbly be no difference.
MB
->
300GB=279GB
320GB=297GB
400GB=372GB
500GB=465GB
1TB=0.931TB
2TB=1.86TB
3TB=279TB
->
PB
So the 32GB without any files* should have 29.7GB
*No OS or boot files etc.
It's not exactly 7% but it's close and easier to calculate than the "1024^1000=banana/shoe+cat=value".

Thank you but I was more concerned with the partition sizes as if /system partition is full, it doesn't matter how much space you have available in /data or /sdcard, it won't allow to install apps or games. I can't understand why they didn't have one partition with directories instead of partitions. That way we wouldn't have issues such as free space on one directory/partition and full up on another. I think in this sense, the iphone storage management is better.

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Thank you but I was more concerned with the partition sizes as if /system partition is full, it doesn't matter how much space you have available in /data or /sdcard, it won't allow to install apps or games. I can't understand why they didn't have one partition with directories instead of partitions. That way we wouldn't have issues such as free space on one directory/partition and full up on another. I think in this sense, the iphone storage management is better.
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Apps (end user installed) aren't stored in the /system partition the OS is. Apps go in /data.. It would be insanely hard, and nearly impossible to fill up the /system partition.
The only phone I know (probably more) that has ever ran out of useful /system space is the Nexus One which is the reason Google stopped upgrading it because ICS wouldn't fit on the /system partition. End users got crafty though and figured out a way around the limitation by crafty partitioning magic with the Micro SDCard slot.

Yes, but the Nexus 10 does not have an SD Card slot so there won't be any other way of expanding storage once the internal storage fills up. But I see what you mean about the /system partition.
Could never get my head around this Android partitions. So am I correct to say the APK and App data are stored in the /data partition? And Game that require additional download able content is stored in the /Sdcard partition?
Now my question is, is the /data partition and /sdcard partition two separate partitions or two directories on a single partition on the nexus 10? The reason why I am asking is because if you look at the storage info of my phone (screenshot below) /data partitiom and /sdcard partition are showing different storage capacity and usage whereas your nexus 10 shows those two to have identical capacity and usage.
My concern is if one partition is full up, and you may have useless space on the other partition where as if they were directories, either they will share the space on demand. Not sure if I am explaining it correctly but for example I have a Galaxy Ace 2 which if I was to fill up the /sdcard partition, and have a adequately free /data partition, then often that free space is useless for some apps as it requires available space on the /sdcard partition. Now if they weren't partitions and instead directories, which I think the configuration is on the nexus 10, it would still show available space as both directories combined would make one partition. Which would then leave me to wonder why didn't they do the same for my Galaxy Ace 2
Ignore sdcard 2nd part, this is created on removable sdcard for purposes of Link2SD app.

Gizmotech said:
Yes, but the Nexus 10 does not have an SD Card slot so there won't be any other way of expanding storage once the internal storage fills up. But I see what you mean about the /system partition.
Could never get my head around this Android partitions. So am I correct to say the APK and App data are stored in the /data partition? And Game that require additional download able content is stored in the /Sdcard partition?
Now my question is, is the /data partition and /sdcard partition two separate partitions or two directories on a single partition on the nexus 10? The reason why I am asking is if one partition is full up, and you may have useless space on the other partition where as if they were directories, either they will share the space on demand. Not sure if I am explaining it correctly but for example I have a Galaxy Ace 2 which if I was to fill up the /sdcard partition, and have a adequately free /data partition, then often that free space is useless for some apps as it requires available space on the /sdcard partition. Now if they weren't partitions and instead directories, it would still show available space as both directories combined would make one partition.
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They are essentially in the simplest terms exactly as you described. Two folders pointing to the same partition. That is why you can wipe your "sdcard" but all your apps remain intact in /data even though it's the same partition.
The reason your Galaxy Ace is like that is because you have a legit removable SDCard storage and it isn't part of the internal storage.. This complication in partitions w/ real sdcards is why Google refuses to put SDCard slots on any of their devices.

Why system take 8GB space ?

I have note 2 LTE 32 GB model and i have flashed CM 10.2 but it say 24 GB is available for user? Why system take such huge space of 8Gb as i dont think CM 10.2 ROM use all of it. Where the rest of the space go ? My question is : Are these system partitions fixed in size no matter what ROM you flash? It will be alaways 8GB reserve for ROM whether stock or AOSP ?
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go to adb shell,type "df "command,and you will see the usage of each diretory.

proxlwt said:
go to adb shell,type "df "command,and you will see the usage of each diretory.
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Thanks and I did that and this one is what i get..i see that sysyem is using 2.3 gb but what are these first four in /mnt taking 893 mb each
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Rajaasim1980 said:
Thanks and I did that and this one is what i get..i see that sysyem is using 2.3 gb but what are these first four in /mnt taking 893 mb each
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The first thing to note is that 32GB internal memory is in reality 29.4GB (32000000000 bytes translates into 29.4 real GB).
So to add up:
- 24.2GB of user data
- 2.3GB for /system
- 1.2GB for /cache
- 0.5GB for /tombstone /firmware and /efs
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- 28.2GB
/mnt/obb asec secure and fuse are all virtual mount points to various directories and their size is arbitrary
/dev is again virtual mount point for all hardware devices in your phone used to access various properties of devices - size arbitrary
All of them are temporary file systems created on every system start.
I don't know where is the 1GB of space that should be there and it's not only your problem. This is present on all systems that I have seen.
Look at this for example:
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mat9v said:
The first thing to note is that 32GB internal memory is in reality 29.4GB (32000000000 bytes translates into 29.4 real GB).
So to add up:
- 24.2GB of user data
- 2.3GB for /system
- 1.2GB for /cache
- 0.5GB for /tombstone /firmware and /efs
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- 28.2GB
/mnt/obb asec secure and fuse are all virtual mount points to various directories and their size is arbitrary
/dev is again virtual mount point for all hardware devices in your phone used to access various properties of devices - size arbitrary
All of them are temporary file systems created on every system start.
I don't know where is the 1GB of space that should be there and it's not only your problem. This is present on all systems that I have seen.
Look at this for example:
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Thanks for explaining it .I cannot see your attached screenshot because its too tiny. Its stupid for manufacture to advertise memory as 32 GB when its 28 GB in reality.
What i actually dont get is no matter you use custom CM or stock sammy rom (with bloatware) you will get same free space eventhough CM ROMs are less in size.
Do you see any unnecessary partition there which need to be deleted ? ..these partition within partition i.e ,0,Sd card 1, emulated, legacy etc are very confusing
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Rajaasim1980 said:
Thanks for explaining it .I cannot see your attached screenshot because its too tiny. Its stupid for manufacture to advertise memory as 32 GB when its 28 GB in reality.
What i actually dont get is no matter you use custom CM or stock sammy rom (with bloatware) you will get same free space eventhough CM ROMs are less in size.
Do you see any unnecessary partition there which need to be deleted ? ..these partition within partition i.e ,0,Sd card 1, emulated, legacy etc are very confusing
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Er... you did click on it? It opens in overlay to display full screen...
The advertisement...
It's like with hard disks in modern PC, manufacturers advertise the disk as having 1TB of space, but they are counting it as 1.000.000.000.000 of bytes while in reality we are using binary computers that do not count that way - they count 2^10 = 1024 so you have to divide this 1.000.000.000.000 bytes by 1024 to get kilobytes = 976562500 and again by 1024 to get megabytes = 953674 and again by 1024 to get gigabytes to arrive at 931GB of real disk size. From that you have to subtract partition overhead (the system needs place to store info about your files) but that is dependent on the number of files you plan to put on the partition.
If you are really advanced user and not planning to ever flash back to sammy rom, you could repartition your internal memory to say decrease /system size to say 750MB and earn almost 1.2GB of free space. But it's dangerous and will void your warranty 100%
There are no unnecessary partitions, /system /data and /cache are necessary to functioning of any rom, all others are virtual partitions created using mount points and FUSE file system - the are also needed to work and they don't take any space. I can't find the missing 1GB of space.
The command "mount" that you execute not only shows typical partitions but also some "shortcuts" used by system to access different places in the internal memory and is not normally visible to end user - they are there to make life easier for programmers and advanced users. Us common folks just gets confused - it's like dissecting how your car engine works - not for everyone

mat9v said:
Er... you did click on it? It opens in overlay to display full screen...
The advertisement...
It's like with hard disks in modern PC, manufacturers advertise the disk as having 1TB of space, but they are counting it as 1.000.000.000.000 of bytes while in reality we are using binary computers that do not count that way - they count 2^10 = 1024 so you have to divide this 1.000.000.000.000 bytes by 1024 to get kilobytes = 976562500 and again by 1024 to get megabytes = 953674 and again by 1024 to get gigabytes to arrive at 931GB of real disk size. From that you have to subtract partition overhead (the system needs place to store info about your files) but that is dependent on the number of files you plan to put on the partition.
If you are really advanced user and not planning to ever flash back to sammy rom, you could repartition your internal memory to say decrease /system size to say 750MB and earn almost 1.2GB of free space. But it's dangerous and will void your warranty 100%
There are no unnecessary partitions, /system /data and /cache are necessary to functioning of any rom, all others are virtual partitions created using mount points and FUSE file system - the are also needed to work and they don't take any space. I can't find the missing 1GB of space.
The command "mount" that you execute not only shows typical partitions but also some "shortcuts" used by system to access different places in the internal memory and is not normally visible to end user - they are there to make life easier for programmers and advanced users. Us common folks just gets confused - it's like dissecting how your car engine works - not for everyone
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Thanks for detail reply which make sense. These partitions were actually much simple in previous version of androids.
So no matter what ROM i would flash there will be same amount of free space available because there is fixed size partition in internal memory reserved for ROM/system irrespective of size of ROM. Right?
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Rajaasim1980 said:
Thanks for detail reply which make sense. These partitions were actually much simple in previous version of androids.
So no matter what ROM i would flash there will be same amount of free space available because there is fixed size partition in internal memory reserved for ROM/system irrespective of size of ROM. Right?
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Right. The only advantage of CM is speed, in this case "Size does not matter"