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Proof of the pudding

Well ... 8 months of anticipation with highs and lows as we heard new stuff and I finally got to play with an X1 at a Vodafone store.
First thoughts .... very narrow ... obviously the 3" wide screen feels smaller than the equivalent 2.8" normal aspect ratio.
The build ... well ... although I'm sure the front is metal ... but the black one at least looks like a brush plastic ... it didn't have the standout quality feel I was led to believe. The chrome / polished metal or metal look plastic around it's waist and the edges of the keyboard definitely looks a little bling to me ... again ... doesn't look / feel like expensive kit.
You open the keyboard ... and as I'd noticed in pictures, there is a much larger gap around the waist than a TyTN or TyTN II. This looks a little odd. There is also far more play on the front edge of the mechanism that the TyTNs. Clearly a different type of mechanism ... but to me ... the open close and solidity is not as solid as either my TyTN or TyTNII. It feels more like my 8GB N95 before I had the slide replaced.
So ... in short ... for me at least ... the 'quality' of finish is not evident. Where as in practise it maybe as good or better than the TyTN II... as the TyTN II has no pretence to being made of metal etc ... it gives a more honest quality feel about it. This was a huge surprise to me ... particularly given my wife's T650i with mineral glass really does feel kind of special.
Anyway ... for me the talk of massive quality over the HTC devices is a myth.
Looking into the device ... The panels ... I kind of liked and the basic ones that come out of the box seemed to work well and perform fine. The delays only seemed to be graphical transition ... i.e. synthetically imposed. I'm sure the delays others mentioned maybe there ... when playing harder ... but there was nothing I noticed in the 15 minutes I played.
Memory has been confirmed by others now ... I just saw what had already been shown in screen shots.
Opera fails to open ... but on this one apparently just because there was no comms (no SIM or active wireless) .... I think when you use the panel browser that launched PIE without error ... again .. not Opera as others mentioned.
The keyboard ... initial feeling was ... very positive. I found the keys nicely spaced and noted there was a definite tactile feedback ... you knew you'd successfully hit the key. When trying to type ... I kept missing keys ... so it was a lot slower and less predictable than the TyTNII. I'm not sure ... this may just be experience with something different .. if so ... aside from the missing arrows and for me .. the CTRL key that no device has ... I'd very more than happy. It certainly felt more solid and reliable than the TyTNII keyboard which on occasion made me think one or two keys may pop off (they never did).
The Dpad ... for me ... it seemed fine. I had no problems with the up press at all ... possibly slightly less movement than the other directions but plenty nevertheless. The optical ... I agree ... it is too recessed to be useful. If there was a mouse pointer like you get with the BT Stowaway mouse ... or the 4700 touchpad ... then it may get more use.
Other buttons ... ok ... but to be honest ... not as good quality feel as I got with my TyTNII ... the V1615 variant (people complained about movement of the buttons ... but I never really had that issue).
The camera ... well stills seemed ok (at least with the zoom available on the screen) ... the video on the other hand was worse than rubbish. It may well have had the VGA resolution ... but it's response / refresh was so poor that anything that moved ghosted. This makes little sense because on paper it should have been as good as the N95 ... aside from the optics of course (i.e. the movement should have been crisp). This really means that it is no more useful than the TyTNII camera .... it doesn't offer you a viable carry anywhere camcorder which the N95 did. What a waste.
My general feel was that it didn't feel like a poor PDA (slow ... tatty) ... but it didn't really feel (even with the WVGA which felt too small) like a real improvement over the TyTNII. Massive disappointment.
I guess I will try the HD ... but without a soft dpad (which I'm told by Clove who had a near finished one in the other day ... is almost definitely not there). They also said there was no evidence of TV-Out - although the HTC guy suggested it maybe different with the final version ... I think that is unlikely .. things don't change that quickly.
So ... I probably won't invest in that either.
My only hope now is that the Galxy7 does actually get released. Given the rumours were for end October announcement ... I'm not feeling confident there.
Just to summarise ... the X1 is a good device when compared to what is currently out there ... what it isn't is the standout device - quality or performance wise - that 8 months of marketing and rumour as well as the massive price suggested.
Paul.

Nice review, its good to hear some honest opinions!

I used to have N95 as well and I agree that none of these new PDAs can beat its camera quality and speakers. Camera as mentioned above. Speakers are loud and clear with wider frequency response. Not to mention it's stereo too! I missed these two.

Got to disagree with you on your comparison to the TyTn II.
I've had the Xperia a week now and the TyTn II looks and feels like a fisher price toy next to it.
The build quality and screen quality are in a different league and the resolution increase makes such a difference.
You're right about part of the back being made of plastic. The top and bottom sections are, but if they weren't the cell and GPS radios would struggle for the reception. The rest of the phone is definitely all metal as in the morning it is cold to the touch. It certainly doesn't look bling to me or anyone who's seen it and I am the world's most anti bling person.
For me one of it's greatest improvements over the TyTn II, is the speed in which the screen rotates - it's pretty much instant, which is how it should be.
The panels aren't what I expected and I don't use them a huge amount. I tend to stick to the MS Today Screen or the Fishes. I might just be a little weird though - I've tried TF3D and think it is gimmicky (but pretty) and on my TyTn II I've tried pretty much every homescreen replacement from Ultimatelauncher through WAD to Todaylife and none of them have lasted.
ETA: The d-pad is pretty annoying actually, but I get on fine with optical pad, so I'm not too bothered about that. A ctrl key on the keyboard would be very useful though.

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the video on the other hand was worse than rubbish. It may well have had the VGA resolution ... but it's response / refresh was so poor that anything that moved ghosted. This makes little sense because on paper it should have been as good as the N95 ... aside from the optics of course (i.e. the movement should have been crisp). This really means that it is no more useful than the TyTNII camera .... it doesn't offer you a viable carry anywhere camcorder which the N95 did. What a waste.
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That's odd, the captures that have been posted on this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=434409) look pretty fine, no ghosting is evident at all.
What country are you in? could this be the difference between eu/us versions of the xperia, the x1i and x1a?

Stills are ok ... it is the Video that is awful. I'm in the UK so it is the 640x480 at 30fps.
If you shoot video of a still scene ... fine (ish) but if anything moves it is awful.
Re the materials .. I wasn't questioning the metal ... what I was saying is that it didn't look particularly like metal ... two different things ... my feeling is that it didn't look and feel like a jump in quality over the TyTNII. I'm not saying it isn't ... it just doesn't give the impression that is when held close up.
I so wanted to love this device as my previous postings show ... it just doesn't live up to it.
I'm also not questioning the WVGA ... all I'm saying is that seeing a 3" WVGA for the first time since the G900 ... some time ago ... it seems really small ... so small infact, for me, I think I'd rather have the 3.5" Galxy7 or the 3.8" HD (although I'm discounting that because of really really poor camera / video, no tv-out (apparently) and no soft or hard dpad.
The comparison with the TyTNII for me really centres around relative practical differences ... I know there are many extras like the radio and vga video and WVGA but if they aren't well executed or have other issues, it isn't worth the upgrade to me.
Very subjective though.

I think a phone should be small (screen size max. 3-3.5"), a pda should be middle-sized with larger screen (4"), and then comes the UMPC/netbook category. The Xperia (Diamond, Touch Pro, etc) fits fine in the first category as a phone, no need for larger screen. Touch HD is already between the phone and pda category, it is a bit too large to be a convenient phone. I know that nowadays everything is about iPhone and touch-screens, but we don't need to have "brick" or "portable" phones again

yes .. I agree ... it is this cross over need that makes it difficult.
for QVGA ... 2.8" is fine.
As you move to VGA and WVGA ... I think you are looking at a more media cross over device ... which requires a slightly bigger screen ... at least so the short length is the same as the short length of a QVGA device ... this is about 3.5".
The Galxy7 ... which will probably never come out ... seems the perfect compromise ...

Just a reflection on the ghosted video.
Did you look at the video in the phone or did you transfer it to a PC ?
I noticed that the phone can't handle the VGA resolution in 3gp when played back. And even when recording actually .
When you look at the recording on a PC it still has 30fps without ghosting.

I've got mine this morning, and I must say I disagree completely with the OP opinion on video. There's very little ghosting (I haven't owned a TyTN or TyTN II) in comparison to a Touch Pro.
When viewing a VGA video on the phone there's some occasional stuttering, but when transferred to a PC it looks, well, quite amazing for a phone video to be honest.
I haven't seen a video shot by an N95 for comparison either, but it's certainly not "rubbish".
for reference mine is an x1i, in the UK, from Vodafone (and branded as such).
edit: After playing with the phone in different light conditions there is a fair bit of ghosting, I think it depends on what you're filming.

Is X1 screen really better than Diamond??

From the Spec of X1, it should be better than Diamond.
I tried a X1 on yesterday, the screen was sharp and the color looked a little bit milky. Is the problem of screen protector or the intrinsic problem?
I want to buy it but I am not sure if the screen is really good.
Any idea??

I have both of them right next to each other. If you turn both to max brightness, they're about the same. The X1 wins in terms of sharpness and obviously pixels. For color, I think the diamond is a TINY bit more vibrant, but not really noticeable.
Returning my Diamond tomorrow =)

it is better, and the fact that the screen is wider/longer portrait makes it better at reading mail etc

Thanks.
This solved my problem.
But did any of you notice any hanging in the 9 panels?
Besides does coremediaplayer work well on it??

Coming from a Touch Pro I can tell you the extra pixels are worth it. Browsing is so nice with the entire width of web pages rendered within one viewing pane...

another thing that is good compared to the diamond is that the x1 screen is more sensitive.maybe thats the reason that the screen is a little recessed on the x1.

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The Xperia has 60000 more pixels on the screen than the Diamond/Pro.
Do you agree The xperia can show more detail and a lot sharper?
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The Xperia has 60000 more pixels on the screen than the Diamond/Pro.
Do you agree The xperia can show more detail and a lot sharper?
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yea of course, the dots per inch on the x1 is allot more, its better how ever you turn it.
the problem on the x1 is ,,,, can your eyes see the change in the higher resolution?, mine can =)

The X1 is a joy to own and I have had all the Winmo phones including Touch Diamond and Pro. The pro was pretty good but the X1 is amazing. The screen is clear enough to do general browsing on sat on your sofa. The Touch Pro wasnt IMO.

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The X1 is a joy to own and I have had all the Winmo phones including Touch Diamond and Pro. The pro was pretty good but the X1 is amazing. The screen is clear enough to do general browsing on sat on your sofa. The Touch Pro wasnt IMO.
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Yes, you are right as the response for X1 is better than Touch Pro and that should be the way for WM device.
Touch Pro is really slow in response and a pain to own.

Yes I agree. I regularly had to press the screen more than once on the TP for something to happen. The X1 is far more sensitive.

My verdict
I currently own both the Touch Pro and the X1, my findings are:
The X1 screen is more responsive definitely but I don't think it is as sharp as the TP. Maybe it's because everything is a lot smaller and my eyesight aint what it used to be!
The real pain of the X1 screen is the fact that not all my favourite apps are compatible. Some make a bad attempt at fitting the screen, others appear as incredibly tiny graphics in the corner of the screen.
The X1 has niggles, like a soft reset button that can only be used once the battery cover is removed. The battery cover is also a bit of a pain to snap on/off sometimes.
You only get 9 panels (most of which are pretty useless), Touch Flo would have been great on the X1, and although you can get this 'working' on the X1 it's a bit hit and miss. Finally, the keyboard is nowhere near as good as the Touch Pro.
The Touch Pro is probably the most unreliable HTC device I have ever owned (I have owned many) It badly needs a ROM upgrade. Shame as I really like the screen and the keyboard is simply the best ever.
As I have only just bought the X1 I need a bit more time to judge its reliability. But I do think it has potential.

apprentice said:
I currently own both the Touch Pro and the X1, my findings are:
The X1 screen is more responsive definitely but I don't think it is as sharp as the TP. Maybe it's because everything is a lot smaller and my eyesight aint what it used to be!
The real pain of the X1 screen is the fact that not all my favourite apps are compatible. Some make a bad attempt at fitting the screen, others appear as incredibly tiny graphics in the corner of the screen.
The X1 has niggles, like a soft reset button that can only be used once the battery cover is removed. The battery cover is also a bit of a pain to snap on/off sometimes.
You only get 9 panels (most of which are pretty useless), Touch Flo would have been great on the X1, and although you can get this 'working' on the X1 it's a bit hit and miss. Finally, the keyboard is nowhere near as good as the Touch Pro.
The Touch Pro is probably the most unreliable HTC device I have ever owned (I have owned many) It badly needs a ROM upgrade. Shame as I really like the screen and the keyboard is simply the best ever.
As I have only just bought the X1 I need a bit more time to judge its reliability. But I do think it has potential.
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I don't own a X1...but hope to shortly with the X1a...there was one point you made that is really irking me about my new upcoming device.
Your mention of the reset hole being under the battery cover, I agree, is a really piss off. Although you never want to have to use that pin/hole, it is bound to happen at some point. Making it a multistep process of turning over the device, popping off the battery cover and then hitting the button is rather annoying..especially if you have the device in a case (for example the upcoming Noreve case)
I like my Prophet on the other hand (and the style it has). That is the reset hole is at the bottom of the device, done and done...

hofo_mofo said:
I don't own a X1...but hope to shortly with the X1a...there was one point you made that is really irking me about my new upcoming device.
Your mention of the reset hole being under the battery cover, I agree, is a really piss off. Although you never want to have to use that pin/hole, it is bound to happen at some point. Making it a multistep process of turning over the device, popping off the battery cover and then hitting the button is rather annoying..especially if you have the device in a case (for example the upcoming Noreve case)
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It is a pain, the manual suggests the alternative reset method... hold down the power button to switch off the device completely and then turn on again. OK, this 'works' but is still not as quick as the reset hole. I also use a software 'soft-reset' (available on many shell utilities) which is ok but then useless if the screen has locked up of course!
I don't think we'll ever get complete satisfaction with our devices. Each new model brings with it better features but often drops features that were useful in previous models. All I can say is the X1 is a very good smartphone overall.

The reset button is stupid but I reset mine nowhere near as much as my Touch Pro etc.
The Xperia is awesome and I dont agree the screen is less sharp. It is the first device I can truly sit on the sofa and broswe the web on. Way better than the Touch Pro. The only thing is the the Touch Pro screen is a little brighter, but only a tiny amount.
The Xperia is awesome hardware. I would have preferred a flusger screen or perhaps totally flush like the Pro and so far the panels are a waste of time but that doesnt mean they will always be and you dont need them anyway.
I absolutely love it!

The xperia screen is better no question about.
size, reolution and pixel density is superior to ANY mobile phone.
soft reset is not a big deal.
removing the cover to insert the stylus is nothing.
You don't plan to do this all the time.
Once your Xperia is personalized and all your foreign apps
and ports are stabled, you will reset almost never or very rarely.
I just went to AT&T store to play with the Fuze (the Pro) and
after an hour of playing with it in he store. It was a total let down.
Unresponsive, small screen hard to read and fuzzy, limited zooming,
the flush screen is a mess with fingerprints, I rather have the recessed
screen is more responsive.
When flipping to landscape the screen changes to a different display.
A lot of black and white displays.
But I liked the bounce in the keyboard keys despite that are very small.
Not bias here, because at $299 I wanted to see if it was a good alternative for the Xperia.

I agree. I rarely have to reset mine so the button is not a big deal and if I do I can usually do it by holding own the power button to turn it on and off.
The xperia is miles more stable than the buggy Touch Pro and the screen is wonderful. I scratched my Touch Pro and Diamond screen really easily and they were both very unresponsive compared to the Xperia (in fact compared to any touch screen phone I have had)

My plan is to get a drill and a file and make a hole and groove in the back case to allow access to microsd and reset hole. Should be an easy solution to the problem.

[Q] What are shortcomings on DHD ?

What are the main shortcomings on DHD ?
Battery life - it can least for 24h - enough for me
Sound quality - "call trick" made things up
Camera lens and blur ?
Is it now fixed ( I'm planning to buy a phone in 2 weeks ( in this Shop where i want to buy it came before 2-3 weeks ago) ?
This is my main concern, so if u now good news it will be good :/
Greetings from Sarajevo

Higher pixel resolution, coating on the screen against fingerprints&better protection in sunlight, better build quilty (The battery/simcard plastic thingy's) frontcamera, multicoloured LED notification lights.
That would be it. I am happy with the battery life.

I would say is the battery issue only..

As far as build quality goes, you're better of getting a plastic phone.
The metal is great, but those covers just make me wanna die.

I got a cheapo tpu silicon case off eBay for my dhd and its the best case I've ever had for a phone, it adds a bit to the thickness of the phone but its not obtrusive. I can get a day of heavy usage using cm7 and mm's battery fix. Call quality is great, although speaker volume is on the low side.

Others ?

I don't have any issues with my DHD anymore. The sound problem and battery life was fixed with a custom rom, sim & battery covers fit perfect and the camera lens/blur issue was fixed with a warranty repair (this problem is found only in the first batch of phones?). The screen is everything i need (yes i've used iphone 4 and galaxy s), a higher resolution wouldn't make such a big difference and I like the colors more than the amoled screen colors.
mesut19 said:
Higher pixel resolution, coating on the screen against fingerprints&better protection in sunlight, better build quilty (The battery/simcard plastic thingy's) frontcamera, multicoloured LED notification lights.
That would be it. I am happy with the battery life.
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What phone doesn't get fingerprints on it's screen?

I just want a higher resolution display it makes world difference. Look at iPhone 4 the icons looks like beautiful painting.. and need a front camera video calling becomes useless in DHD
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So, problem with camera is solved on new models after January 2011 ?

Hawks556 said:
I don't have any issues with my DHD anymore. The sound problem and battery life was fixed with a custom rom, sim & battery covers fit perfect and the camera lens/blur issue was fixed with a warranty repair (this problem is found only in the first batch of phones?). The screen is everything i need (yes i've used iphone 4 and galaxy s), a higher resolution wouldn't make such a big difference and I like the colors more than the amoled screen colors.
What phone doesn't get fingerprints on it's screen?
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Well before this I had a 3GS. That had a coating which was really nice because the fingerprints weren't getting visible. The Ipad has a special kind of coating to.
You could probably buy some kind of spray for it but for a crown-jewel product of a manufacture like HTC it should be a 'must'

How would you want the One+ to be?

If HTC is gonna release a One+ version in the coming months,what are the specs you want to add compared to the One?
For me:
-weather sensors like on the S4 (temp and humidity)
-Larger screen with same body dimensions.
-6 ultrapixel camera
-plastic borders instead of metal for less chips annoyances.(like One Mini)

For me i dont want one+ , and i think they would only release the one max because releasing a new edition of one is useless as after it with a couple of months in 2014 a new flagship will be released
I Didnt bought s4 for this thing sasmsung is overreleasing different variants of its device and this is ****

So far the One+ is not happening for the following reasons:
- HTC views the M7 as perfect, they already have universal praise and the title of the best smartphone, 6 months after launch, in other words unlike the One X there is nothing to fix in terms of hardware
- Internally HTC is trying to commit to a one year brand flagship, they are already running survies for the next 2014 flagship and all the news from Taiwan hints only at a single upcoming M7 variation which is the One Max
- If such a device exist we would have seen leaks so far as the usual, in fact our trusty leaker LlabTooFeR even confirmed no such device is under works
as for the sensors, seems to me you really want a galaxy S4 so go for it, its dead cheap :laugh:

hamdir said:
So far the One+ is not happening for the following reasons:
- HTC views the M7 as perfect, they already have universal praise and the title of the best smartphone, 6 months after launch, in other words unlike the One X there is nothing to fix in terms of hardware
- Internally HTC is trying to commit to a one year brand flagship, they are already running survies for the next 2014 flagship and all the news from Taiwan hints only at a single upcoming M7 variation which is the One Max
- If such a device exist we would have seen leaks so far as the usual, in fact our trusty leaker LlabTooFeR even confirmed no such device is under works
ps: you must be kidding about plastic right? the One brand will remain focused on premium, actually if this is your wish such a device is already there, the butterfly S which is the HTC brand using plastic, bigger screen in the same frame and massively bigger battery, higher clocked processor
as for the sensors, seems to me you really want a galaxy S4 so go for it, its dead cheap :laugh:
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If you want to keep your phone in a fully closed case then it's ok to keep metal borders,I think HTC saw this problem and made the borders plastic on the Mini (perhaps the max too).
As I am not a case lover,specially when the One is a beauty,I prefer plastic borders that will resist most of the small everyday bits to protect the aluminum body

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If you want to keep your phone in a fully closed case then it's ok to keep metal borders,I think HTC saw this problem and made the borders plastic on the Mini (perhaps the max too).
As I am not a case lover,specially when the One is a beauty,I prefer plastic borders that will resist most of the small everyday bits to protect the aluminum body
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oops sorry i thought you want it full plastic, i read it wrong my apologies
The Max has those borders as well but I feel it cheapens the whole thing, also HTC did a sad thing on the mini, the front speaker covers are fake metal, lets hope its not on the Max
i am still against the sensors or any of the bloat the S4 is carrying

hamdir said:
oops sorry i thought you want it full plastic, i read it wrong my apologies
The Max has those borders as well but I feel it cheapens the whole thing, also HTC did a sad thing on the mini, the front speaker covers are fake metal, lets hope its not on the Max
i am still against the sensors or any of the bloat the S4 is carrying
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I am in love with weather conditions,it's one of the thing that pushed me toward HTC before (full screen weather animations), so having an onboard sensor that reads humidity and temp is very cool for me,the pedometer thingy though is totally useless compared to GPS based sports apps.
Let's see what the Max and note 3 will give us,too bad they will be both heavy,also XDA devs don't like phablets

I would say:
- Bigger screen by replacing capacitive buttons with Nav bar (customizable, so no more double taps and swipe ups)
- Tighter QC. What the hell is this? There are so many threads in this forum dedicated to defects. I'm a victim of two.
- Ditch the Ultra pixel crap. 4 Mp don't do anything. There is always noise in my pictures regardless of the lighting. The Nokia 1020 has a 41 Mp sensor but beats the One at low light photography. Ultrapixel was always a gimmick and the red and blue tint is the final nail in the coffin.
- wider volume range. The quiets are too loud and the louds are too quiet. I know the speakers are physically capable of a wider range. HTC just didn't implement it.
- Micro SD. I know I sound like an old man grumbling, but if you're going to be taking a lot of HD video, then you need extra space. Especially to make up for the around 7 gigs "other" takes up.
That's really it. It's a long list, but some of them aren't features. They're things that should have been done with the m7.

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I would say:
- Bigger screen by replacing capacitive buttons with Nav bar (customizable, so no more double taps and swipe ups)
- Tighter QC. What the hell is this? There are so many threads in this forum dedicated to defects. I'm a victim of two.
- Ditch the Ultra pixel crap. 4 Mp don't do anything. There is always noise in my pictures regardless of the lighting. The Nokia 1020 has a 41 Mp sensor but beats the One at low light photography. Ultrapixel was always a gimmick and the red and blue tint is the final nail in the coffin.
- wider volume range. The quiets are too loud and the louds are too quiet. I know the speakers are physically capable of a wider range. HTC just didn't implement it.
- Micro SD. I know I sound like an old man grumbling, but if you're going to be taking a lot of HD video, then you need extra space. Especially to make up for the around 7 gigs "other" takes up.
That's really it. It's a long list, but some of them aren't features. They're things that should have been done with the m7.
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i don't agree about ultrapixel, we need more of them and wider dynamic range thats all, the Lumia 1020 is bad example since it trades the smartphone design and size for the camera sensor, the tint you speak is not global like you guys wish to believe, many of us don't have it, it's just a defect or damage to your sensor
as for QC you are right but i believe HTC already did amends on this part, they newly created a special team dedicated to deal with factory QC issues, also the HTC One mini had design changes to deal with this as well

I really hope and think they will pursue the ultra pixel camera..if not it's just going to be a mp race to see who has the highest mp on their camera...this has a lot of potential..bump it up to 6 or 8 mp and I think it will completely blow everything out of the park

I for one LOVE the metal border.
All of my old phones with plastic or plastic painted to look metal have NOT stood the test of time. HTC Touch, Desire, IPhone 3gs (Wife.....not me), have chips that look awful.
My older metal phones (One V, IPhone 4 (Wife again) still look fantastic.
Our "new" phones, my One, and my Wifes S3 (free on a 2 year with Telus.....ashamed I couldn't talk her into a One X but proud I got her away from IOS) you can guess the result. I have had my One since launch, caseless, it is still pristine. My Wife's S3 has a small chip in the faux metal (plastic) ring.......and looks aweful.
Metal for me......thanks!
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4

The desire was metal except back cover.
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Moderator update,
We have decided to close this thread as it is not about the HTC One phone. All off topic threads should go into the off topic section in XDA. This specific forum is for threads regarding the HTC One only.
Many thanks,
Ghost

U8: Is it a clone or no?

I got one of these cheap smart watches in a goodie bag at a presentation I went to today and I am honestly not sure if it's the real deal or not.
I have done a decent bit of research on how to tell if it's legit or not and it really has a fair mix of qualities from both columns.
The aspects from the Fake side:
-The watch is white, but the bezel around the screen is black
-The watch band is not textured and has the seam appearance as those in the images including the raised edges and has a slight smell
-I cannot locate the About screen
-The wake/sleep/power button is plastic white and not silver
-It has Welcome/Boot and Byebye/shutdown with what appears to be the Nexus multi colored X instead of the plain background
The aspects from the legit side:
-The bezel of the glass is tight around the edges
-The colors of the apps appear to be similar and bright
-It has the alarm, stopwatch, and power saving mode
-It comes with a dozen or more languages built in instead of just Chinese and English
Here are some that are in the grey:
-Packaging comes with the analog watch face, but only says "Smart Watch Bluetooth Watchinternational" and a blank backing
-The back plate of the watch has no markings what so ever aside from a single dot that I conclude to be a speaker
What it's feeling like to me is that I might have a somewhat legit Frankenstein referb. But there's just enough janky elements of the UI to leave me suspicious. That and I am not sure if it's normal, but the touch responsiveness isn't really all that great. Ideally I'd like to get this guy flashed with something better. But I need to figure out what I am dealing with first.
Aside from the forum posts I'd read through, here are some references to the real/fake comparisons that I mention above.
http://www.radioddity.com/us/blog/u8/
http://image1.geekbuying.com/content_pic/201408/20140825150231327.jpg

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U8 Clone or no
Sacrifusion said:
I got one of these cheap smart watches in a goodie bag at a presentation I went to today and I am honestly not sure if it's the real deal or not.
I have done a decent bit of research on how to tell if it's legit or not and it really has a fair mix of qualities from both columns.
The aspects from the Fake side:
-The watch is white, but the bezel around the screen is black
-The watch band is not textured and has the seam appearance as those in the images including the raised edges and has a slight smell
-I cannot locate the About screen
-The wake/sleep/power button is plastic white and not silver
-It has Welcome/Boot and Byebye/shutdown with what appears to be the Nexus multi colored X instead of the plain background
The aspects from the legit side:
-The bezel of the glass is tight around the edges
-The colors of the apps appear to be similar and bright
-It has the alarm, stopwatch, and power saving mode
-It comes with a dozen or more languages built in instead of just Chinese and English
Here are some that are in the grey:
-Packaging comes with the analog watch face, but only says "Smart Watch Bluetooth Watchinternational" and a blank backing
-The back plate of the watch has no markings what so ever aside from a single dot that I conclude to be a speaker
What it's feeling like to me is that I might have a somewhat legit Frankenstein referb. But there's just enough janky elements of the UI to leave me suspicious. That and I am not sure if it's normal, but the touch responsiveness isn't really all that great. Ideally I'd like to get this guy flashed with something better. But I need to figure out what I am dealing with first.
Aside from the forum posts I'd read through, here are some references to the real/fake comparisons that I mention above.
I am in the same boat as you except my touch seems to work fine. I am assuming I have a clone just by the fact mine has no writing on the back. I do have all the functions of the U8 (Four Screens and so on) and the quality seems good. The only reason I was looking to flash mine was some of the functions did not work with BT Notifications. I have now corrected this after looking through a very lengthy thread on upgrading the firmware and found this,
"Go to Play Store and search for Mediatek Smartdevice, install it and pair your phone to your U8 again. Now notification pushed to your U8 should have full message appear instead of telling you how many messages you have."
Now my watch even pushes information to Google fit on my phone. I have had this watch for over a year due to the BT Notification issues I stopped wearing it and now with the Mediatek app I am back to wearing it full time.
I hope this is of some use to you.
Have a great day !
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