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Another bad impression?

Is anyone else completely unsure as to whether this device is going to be any good? For every positive post about it I see several negative ones, like this from a bloggers hands-on at the London Fashion Show Xperia event
"After playing with the phone for about 2 hours, the overriding impression is lack of polish. This is especially apparent when compared with HTC’s Touch Pro, which exudes a wow factor which the Xperia X1 seems to lack. The Panels interface seems disjointed, without any overriding theme or integration, and also seemingly a lot of duplication. The device included the Opera browser, but all the internet links still pointed to PIE. One of the panels was SPB Mobile Shell, and of course this worked differently from all the panels UI-wise. The colour scheme was different for each panel, and the graphics appeared low resolution and again, unfortunately, unpolished.
The hardware also did not impress, feeling on on the flimsy side, especially compared to the extremely solid HTC Touch Pro. The device itself felt much lighter than the Touch Pro, but not necessarily in a good way. The keyboard was not as bad as feared, but still pretty soft and squishy, and depressing one key seemed to depress the whole membrane around it. Despite having a 3 inch screen, the screen actually appeared smaller due to being more narrow. Recessed screens are also very 2007."
The most concerning thing here is the commentary on build quality - worse than the Touch Pro? I like my Touch Pro, but the build quality is only acceptable, its not like its fantastic. At least the keyboard seems better than others have had us believe, he also said the Panels interface was smooth, which is a relief to hear.
At this point I've seen so many conflicting reports I really don't know what to make of the phone at all - what do you guys think? Bottom line: I'm really looking forward to hearing from some actual users in a few weeks.

NZtechfreak said:
I'm really looking forward to hearing from some actual users in a few weeks.
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So do I, though I'm pretty sure that I'll buy it right from the start.
I do not care if the color scheme is out of sync with other panels and stuff like this.
I want a very good screen, a usable slide out keyboard, good reception quality, good data connection capabilities.
I'm focusing more on functionality then on beautification - I currently have a HTC TyTN and still using the default HTC green Scheme with original background. It's quite ugly but I don't care.

Hmmm...
He didn't give much details about the hardware other than the keyboard. He says that the device is light but might not be in a good way, is something that i'd like to understand. As for the screen seeming small, from what i can tell - it is only slightly smaller in width from the Touch Pro and larger in height...
Anyways... to each his own opinion, but after his first statements the following statement: "The screen was very good, touch focusing in the camera application worked well, the Handango Inhand client looked good, and appeared very easy to use, and the Panels interface was pretty smooth." is the golden statement and gives me hope.
The set he was using - as shown in the screen-shots - was Silver... to compare a black set with a silver set and then say that the silver doesn't deliver the wow factor is injustice. Silver might look cool and smooth, black is the ultimate color and i'm sure Xperia will deliver with that. Also, i'm sure there would be a much polished look on the final set...
Let's wait an see...
Best Regards.

After reading the on site review, I got an unbias feeling about the author. I might be wrong but it looks he was looking to reconfirm his own bad feelings, oing back and forth and even saying that will wait to have to review it again.

Screen comparison

Hi all,
I have read a lot about the G1. Some reviewers say that the screen is the same as the iPhone 3G, just 3.2" instead of 3.5" and others say that the iPhone 3G has a better quality screen that produces an overall better quality image. Also, the iPhone is said to have a more sensitive touch response than the G1.
I have also read somewhere in this forum that somebody said the screen of the G1 is much better than the Touch Diamond based on personal experience and opinion.
Since the screen plays a big part in the functionality and appearance of touch phones, I would really like to know how the screens of the following phones compare to each other and why one is better than the other:
HTC Touch Pro
HTC Touch Diamond
HTC Dream (G1)
iPhone 3G
Thanx!

I am not the best person to answer your question since I only have limited experience with the iPhone and I have never used the Touch Pro or Diamond, but I do have a small amount of insight to share.
#1) The G1's screen is absolutely beautiful, it is practically impossible for you to be disappointed upon looking at it. It is nicer than an iPod or PSP screen for sure.
#2) The Diamond and Pro use Resistive Touch Screens, which are the old fashioned touch screens with a film over the top that bends when you touch it. Designed for styluses. The iPhone and G1 use Capacitive screens, which means there is no loose layer on top, but it will only work with your finger. If you try to touch it with a regular plastic stylus nothing will happen.
#3) The G1's screen is very responsive, the only problems that I have ever had is when the software's UI doesn't make the button big enough for a fingertip. One unfortunate example is the slider on media apps, it is occasionally difficult to grab and move but it has nothing to do with the screen itself.

I can confirm the screen is amazing.
The default brightness came set down, I cranked it up and it is bright and super sharp. The resolution of the screen is the same as the iPhone but is just a little smaller, the size to me is perfect and I have no complaints about it at all, even when its sitting next to an iPhone. I find it far superior in quality and resolution than Resistive screens. I don't miss VGA resolutions since this looks so beautiful with the help of the OS. I would say the Screen is as good or better than the iPhone in terms of quality and brightness.
The sensitivity is super sensative in a good way. you dont have to apply any presure, and it will sense even your skin floating above the screen if you can get it that close. The UI takes advantage of the screen and is super responsive like the iPhone when you use it. There is some stutter here and there but less often noticed. I beleive its because the G1 runs programs in the background and sometimes the memory management hangs for a split sec. IMHO the touch response is the same as the iphone, just the UI has to catch up some times creating a jitter/snag.
Short Generalization:
Better than diamond/touch pro because size, brightness and Capacitive touch response.
same as iphone except size. UI is what stutters not screens fault, this also happens in the iphone, but is less often than G1; but G1 can run other applications in the background.
Good Bye WM! See you in a couple of years.
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Hi,
Thanks for the responses, it seems that the general opinion of the screen is good. Most people say that it looks and works (with finger touch) better than the diamond series phones and that it can compare to the iPhone.
I think most likely, a side by side comparison would show that the iPhone has slightly better image quality simply because the screen has 16M colors as opposed to the 65K colors of the G1 but that is not going to stop me from buying a G1 over an iPhone.
Enjoy the phone everyone, it sounds awesome so far!

Sony Ericsson X1 or HTC Touch HD?

which would you guys pick...BUT DISREGARD THE KEYBOARD PART...just simply everything else other than the hardware keyboard....which would you guys choose

The Touch HD, bigger screen, no cracks in case, g-sensor etc.

Indeed. Generalized a lot, the Touch HD is an X1 with a bigger screen and without keyboard.

I chose the xperia because of looks keyboard and I what really made the difference that I found a really cheap 2nd hand phone still in the box.
My friend has the Touch hd and it's also very nice but I really like the keyboard.
If that doesnt matter to you, you should choose the HD.

which one has better battery life?thanks.

tornado000013 said:
which one has better battery life?thanks.
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Definately the Xperia, so far at least. I think it´s partly due to the HD screen taking much more power and that the bttery is smaller in the HD. I love them both though...

Touch HD: Big screen, accelerometer
Xperia: Hardware keyboard

xperia for me.
they keyboard, the metal case, the extra buttons (optical pad, d-pad and probably teh OK button (acts as close and so on ...)
the HD has by far the better/ bigger screen, but it doesnt feel liek a cellphone after all. its a little bit to big for my taste. xperia fits my hand better.
having a gyro is fun but its not like u realy need it. i abrley used gyro features in my old phones. defacto i disabled them cause they rotated my screen when i didnt want to.
if u realy dont want a keyboard, gor for the HD.

For me the Xperia is the choice for me
1. Smaller
2. Opital pad is awesome for browsing & emails and means the screen stays clean
3. battery life is brilliant
4. Screen res is better, just smaller
5. Camera is much better. Proves pixels aren't everything. Has a light too!
6. Build quality and being all metal is nice (but heavier)
My bro loves his HD as he watches heaps of movies, so the bigger screen is a clear winner if this is your need.
Listen, both are great devices and it really depends on your needs.
Good luck.
Dev

So I wasn't the only one who had this dilemma, I was thinking exactly the same, like all previous replies, they are basically the same in terms of specs. I really like the big screen on the HD but I went for the X1 only because O2 doesn't bloody sell the HD directly and it means I would have to pay GBP15 extra a month for the line rental if I went for the HD... so the decision for me was I love my money more than a bigger screen. Also, the keyboard on the X1 is really good, although I think the virtual keyboard would probably be as good. I would say if you don't have any loyalty waiting for you from your network provider, then go for the HD, but I would guess the battery might not be as good. My X1 can last up to 3 whole days with normal usage (couple of calls, good few texts, messing about, and some internet).
Sure whichever you go for, you will have loads of fun.

Its really unfair to disregard the keyboard, because the X1 relies on this aspect of its design so firmly. Most would choose the HD over the Xperia if the keyboards are disregarded, but i don't think its fair to leave out one phone's strong point in a comparison. The X1 has a keyboard and one has to consider this when making a purchase choice, there is no changing that. Either way, i would go with the Xperia, its screen is more sensitive, it has at least one US 3G band either model, it has that awesome metal finish and really beautiful design, and is just so smooth and stylish overall, as well as having that huge battery.

when the THD was announced i did consider it along with the X1. but the size of the thing just puts me off..
its so wide across and taller than the X1. ive held the iphone and it didnt feel good in my palm. and the THD is slightly wider...

I was unsure of which to take from those 2, but i got the xperia and now after nearly 2 weeks i am satisfied with my decision, i wanted a bigger display for video but opted for a hardware keyboard and a light flash (HD no flash at all).
Now i find myself happy with it, the hardware keyboard is useful when i want to type more than 2-3 words, lot easier than onscreen keyboard.

so how about the web surfing?i saw video shows that x1's opera won't reflow text when zoom,does that cause any inconvenience?

i would go for the hd.. bigger screen. i do like the x1 for being small but if the x1 screen was 3.2 or 3.5 than it would almost be perfect for me.

in my eyes right now, the most ideal phone for me would be
the Xperia with a 3.2-3.8" screen
8-10mp camera with Xenon Flash
and
hadware keyboard lol
i know..i know..i can only keep dreaming

elite-fusion said:
in my eyes right now, the most ideal phone for me would be
the Xperia with a 3.2-3.8" screen
8-10mp camera with Xenon Flash
and
hadware keyboard lol
i know..i know..i can only keep dreaming
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haha, I would love that, size has never been a problem for me when it comes to phones, although I was forced to have the horrible C092 (insurance replacement after having lost my W960) but based on your requirements, the phone would probably be the size of a netbook, but the price of a proper computer...
Does anyone else here think having a bigger phones nowadays is more stylish than having those tiny mobile phones?
Also I agree being a woman with slightly smaller hands, I think the X1 is probably the biggest I can handle with pleasure, I have always liked the iphone (being a Mac user) but the size is a bit of an issue...
After all, I am bitter coz I didn't even have a chance to choose the HD coz O2 doesn't do it... I think it's fair to say it all depends on if you like coffee to tea, both tasty and keep you awake...

Xperia for me cos...
1.Optical pad etc buttons, better handle music in -5° with u gloves on +Faster to handle
2.Better sound? Dont know never heard HD's sound quality, but in X1 it's just awesome.
3.Better battery.
4.qwerty-keyboard.
5.Looks better, imo, metal case etc.
6.Smaller.
But HD is great also.

Any Neotouch owners previously owned Touch HD

How would you rate the screen sensitivity compared to the HD, the HD and diamond 1 have the most insensitive screens I've used yet along with an acer F900, it seems to be something with flush screens, my older stuff with sunk in screens is far better.
Looking at the early videos of the F1 it looked like it was quite soft and sensitive, which is more to my preference than the harder HD/diamond/f900 ones.
Anybody?

Ok, in case anybody else is wondering, the answer is yes the screen is a lot more sensitive, takes around half the pressure to register, especially in the corners.

It s one of the best sensitive touch i ve ever tried.Maybe the iphone it s a little better

I previously owned a Touch HD, actually, i have a S200 and a HD2.
The touch feeling is much more better on the S200, compare to the Touch HD.... Specially with fingers only. There is not so much difference with stylus.
But it"s far far away from HD2 capacitive screen....Despite of stylus sometime missing...

Indeed it is one of the most sensitive resistive screens i have ever used.
Tip : Make sure when calibrating the screen to use very little pressure,that makes it even more responsive.

I mainly use the stylus, massive improvement over HD, as well as doing most things five times faster, excellent replacement for people who like the size and style of the HD with a decent cpu and responsive resistive screen.
Am using Kubino's clean 6.1 rom, even better for me

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 2, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 2 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Hi as the devices are out in the German speaking countries, some initial comments from my side. I am coming from different devices including Fold 1, N20U and the one with the i, just as a background. My main daily driver in the last 12 months was the Fold 1 which I absolutely loved, that's why I ordered the Fold 2 on the first day.
- Overall a real 2.0 version of a 1.0 product I loved. A lot of improvements
- The small screen is a lot better, I was using the small Fold 1 screen quite often and liked also typing on it, as I swype heavily, and the short distances make it really quick. That advantadge is still there, but smaller, on the other side typing of words which you can't swype like passwords is easier now due to the additional screen real estate.
- The quality of the small screen has significantly improved from my point of view in terms of brightness and clarity
- I hated the small screen for only being able to arrange three apps in the permanent row at the bottom, and it is 5 now! Big improvement
- Audio is incredible, I also had the Mi10 which was the king in that category from my point of view, Fold2 equal or better. Incredible loud. Don't forget to turn Atmos on.
- I treated the Fold 1 very carefully for a couple of weeks, until I found out that nothing happens - actually my 1 year old Fold 1 is in best condition although handled like any other phone. I am in the same phase now with the Fold 2 - I am worried
- I have the Aramid standing cover and I don't like it. It looks cheap and covers only a part of the device, additionally it is more instable on a desk than without it. I am planning to switch to the leather cover
- Training the face recognition is so incredibly fast (1-2 seconds) that I think this cannot be save....
- You have to switch the large display to tablet mode in order to get tabs in the browser or multi window in outlook, this setting is only visible if you have the display open. Took me time to find it. Only then the large inner display makes real sense
- I am a heavy user of the small display and mainly use the large one for media consumption, which results in something like 60/40 usage small/big. With this setup, the battery seems to be fantastic, although to early to provide any detail. The German magazine CHIP made exactly that test and came to incredible runtime with the small display.
- The haptic of the whole thing made a big step forward compared to fold 1, especially the hinge. Real great feeling.
- Not really a dealbreaker, but strange: The flashlight is the weakest I had on a phone for years
- I am everything but an expert for smartphone cameras, more the point and shoot average user. Photo quality seems great to me, but look for better experts to talk about that. The usability is great, fast and responsive
- Generally, same comment applies to N20U and S20U, I think the OneUI made big steps forward in the last two years. Especially looking at the whole eco system with watch and earbuds, the whole user experience is now really great and close to an other phone (can' remember the name, someting with an i as far as I remember)
This are my initial impressions. I am happy with my purchase up to now.

Digging the Samsung Notes app on the big screen. Obviously doesn't support S-Pen but finger writing works surprisingly well.
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So after 5 days, thoughts...
First of all, the delivery was surprisingly on time, (never bought directly from Samsung Germany before) so that was a good start with the experience.
I wasn't overly impressed with the unboxing though. But still, unwrapping the warnings of was a good feeling. Then closing the device for the first time was a "wooow" moment. Coming from the Fold, that hinge feels so sturdy and worthy. I guess I played around, opened , closed the device for a minute or 2 before booting up the device.
It's screen protector in and outside are perfectly fine for the moment. The inside feels a bit "rubbery" and cheapish if I may say so, but it does the job fine.
The big screen is bright enough and clear enough for the everyday use. Regarding the flex mode, I do not give much about it. It's not mature enough yet to use it fully IMHO.
The outer screen, geez I use it a lot. I already used it quit often on the original Fold, but this upgrade is an enlightening. One hand usage, swiping my messages away. A quick look at social media is lovely, reading quickly any article is OK.
The build in general is sturdy, mature and a joy. I have the Mystic Black version. No need to tell anyone it's a fingerprint magnet. It's slippery as well.
And that's what annoys me a bit. I don't care they didn't put any extras in it this time. I mean, you just spend 2000 euro/dollar on a device. Then 60 Euro shouldn't be that big of a problem either. But they should've had it available in shops, online etc to get a case, cause you want to protect it, and this Mystic Black version is slippery as an eel.
I need a case or skin for this version.
But the conclusion is, samsung nailed it, to give us a 2000 euro experience, that feels like a 2000 euro device.
Did I need they phone? No, do I wanted the phone? Yes. But can I go back to a "normal" phone after 2 generations of foldable phones? Probably, but difficult it'll be...

After heavily utilizing my Mystic Black Fold 2 for a weekend, here are some of my thoughts below. I'll try not to repeat common things that I've read here or seen in reviews, but overall, I'm loving this device and having a pocketable large screen!
- The narrower front screen is surprisingly easy to type on, even without swiping. I have nubs for thumbs and I was shocked that I wasn't producing typos left and right.
- The visibility outside for both screens is pretty good, though the inside screen suffers from high reflectivity when outside in the sun. It doesn't affect you as much if you're looking straight on and slightly closing the hinge to angle the display helps.
- This device is so slippery it continually falls out of my pocket when I get in my car or sit at an angle. Where are you Fold 2 cases?! So far no damage but there have been a couple close calls.
- I have tried to be extra careful with this device but the inside screen protector is scratched up. I only notice it at certain angles under bright light but it makes me sad. I'm tempted to remove the inside screen protector but I'm not sure the ultra thin glass would hold up any better.
- The power button is a bit awkwardly placed for my hands and I found that I was constantly swiping up/down on it by accident which opened/closed the notification shade so I turned off that gesture.
- Speaking of that power button, it's tough to feel the button when attempting to scan my fingerprint but that could be due to me being used to face unlock with my iPhone 11 Pro and Pixel 4XL. I'm sure this will become more natural over time and the fingerprint scanner is mighty quick.
- I haven't found many widgets I like as they're not yet optimized for the screens (this includes some of the Samsung apps which surprised me). Many take up a lot of room on my homepages but then have small/compressed text/images. Hope this improves over time.
- I love the ability to be able to have multiple apps open but I initially got confused (and frustrated) with the Android split screen multi-tasking. I hope to be able to take advantage of this more as I use the phone.
- Very minor gripe but I wish there were more stock live wallpapers like how Google provides with their Pixels.
- Not sure if anyone else is encountering this but when I open to the bigger screen, there's a click that happens if I press down on the hinge on a bit. I found that opening to the larger screen by applying more pressure with the tips of both thumbs prevents this.
- Sometimes I get "disoriented" over which screen orientation I'm on when using the larger screen (i.e. is it currently in portrait or landscape?).
- When I have the device open in landscape, I like to keep the speakers on top both to project the sound a bit better and b/c the back half with the camera is a bit more grippy compared with the front screen (I took off the front screen protector).
- Haven't had any issues using Samsung Pay with this device.
- This device is amazing when you're out shopping with a significant other and need to keep the kids entertained with the large screen and loud-ish speakers!

Needs a TOTAL makeover!

I love it yeahhh!
My absolutely favorite phone is ... Nokia e90 Comunicator. I had this 3 times ln the past. Still have one Nokia e7 in perfect condition. I had also Htc Z . My first Android. I love foldables because... I love it, just love this Wow effect and of course more functionality. Bar phones looking like soaps. Even bigger and bigger Soaps!

propov8 said:
I love it yeahhh!
My absolutely favorite phone is ... Nokia e90 Comunicator. I had this 3 times ln the past. Still have one Nokia e7 in perfect condition. I had also Htc Z . My first Android. I love foldables because... I love it, just love this Wow effect and of course more functionality. Bar phones looking like soaps. Even bigger and bigger Soaps
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Love the Nokia Communicator. And even flashbacks to the Psion Organiser that I still have in a drawer somewhere.