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Thought this was insane!
"sprint Android update! Upgrades to 2.1 for Hero/Moment now expected early 2Q10. Currently working through options for upgrades w/ HTC and Samsung. "
Sorry for another thread, but the others are so long...
So we are looking at April or May.. nice althought most probably by that time we'll be sick of having it for a couple of months already.
I read that. Meh, What they are saying is, "HTC, Samsung : DO we have all of the bugs patched" and HTC and Samsung going...****....did we patch asroot2? Haha.
They can patch whatever they want, Ill be waiting for the DEVs here to make custom ROMs based on that update.
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Thought this was insane!
"sprint Android update! Upgrades to 2.1 for Hero/Moment now expected early 2Q10. Currently working through options for upgrades w/ HTC and Samsung. "
Sorry for another thread, but the others are so long...
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This may be obvious, but what is Sprints Official Twitter username? I would like to follow them.
Darkshneider said:
They can patch whatever they want, Ill be waiting for the DEVs here to make custom ROMs based on that update.
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+1 Same here
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This may be obvious, but what is Sprints Official Twitter username? I would like to follow them.
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@Sprint
Kcarpenter got schooled by @Sprint!
Originally Posted by twitter.com/sprint
@Kcarpenter5407 Have always said 1H2010, now we're saying early Q2.
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1H2010 is business-speak for 2Q2010, but with false optimism for 1Q2010. Coming from Sprint's mouth, 1H2010 probably means 3Q2010. They're not known for making their release deadlines.
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Kcarpenter got schooled by @Sprint!
1H2010 is business-speak for 2Q2010, but with false optimism for 1Q2010. Coming from Sprint's mouth, 1H2010 probably means 3Q2010. They're not known for making their release deadlines.
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ROFL i hadn't checked back! That is true, they did say 1H.
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Who knew they actually read that crap.
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I knew I was going to feel special, but I asked anyway LOL
I wonder if they are going to be updating due to the fact that the Legend and Desire are both going to be release early next quarter? Hence, a new version of Sense will be on the market and they won't be able to use the 'it's not ready' yet excuse anymore.
if i were sprint, i would be PISSED after looking at forums like this. Not because people are modding the devices but because ppl who are doing this on their free time for next to nothing with none of the resources that the htc/sprint guys have are almost finished making this completely ready and stable, meanwhile the people they are PAYING to do this still arent done, with all the resources and source code in the world to work with
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if i were sprint, i would be PISSED after looking at forums like this. Not because people are modding the devices but because ppl who are doing this on their free time for next to nothing with none of the resources that the htc/sprint guys have are almost finished making this completely ready and stable, meanwhile the people they are PAYING to do this still arent done, with all the resources and source code in the world to work with
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No offense to the devs here, but what they do is really not in any way similar or comparable to what the HTC devs are doing.
Really? I thought the only difference was that guys at HTC have official kernels and the closed source part of the phone...
The "closed source part of the phone" is the vast majority of the code running on it, including most bundled apps and Sense UI. The bundled Google apps are also closed-source and non-distributable (and the new versions rock).
Exactly, DEVs over here still tinker with what they have and make amazing things with so little.
I'd imagine there's an UNGODLY big difference from editing code till it works or looks differently, icons, colors, bitmaps... and creating your own functioning code from scratch. This is what sprint is paying htc for.
I've been able to hack together programs to work a certain way I wanted, but if you told me... i want a program to do a new function... I would absolutely give the deer in the headlights look.
I'd imagine the majority of the DEV's here are able to fill the first type very nicely, only a select few are able to fill the second type, or are willing to code from scratch for free in their free time.
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I'd imagine there's an UNGODLY big difference from editing code till it works or looks differently, icons, colors, bitmaps... and creating your own functioning code from scratch. This is what sprint is paying htc for.
I've been able to hack together programs to work a certain way I wanted, but if you told me... i want a program to do a new function... I would absolutely give the deer in the headlights look.
I'd imagine the majority of the DEV's here are able to fill the first type very nicely, only a select few are able to fill the second type, or are willing to code from scratch for free in their free time.
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Sometimes writing from scratch is much easier that editing/fixing someone else's F*^ed code.
[rant]I worked as a Team lead and the company basically replaced most of my team with offshore (H1B's). I got stuck trying to support poorly written code. In my experience one good developer that writes well-documented code and properly tests his code is worth about 15-20 Offshore developers when you start factoring in bug fixing, code management, and support. The company saved $30,000 for each developer they replaced, but then had to hire 3 times the amount of personnel for support.
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Can anyone contest to the quality of htc's kernel source? is it poorly commented and hacky? My guess it would be pretty professional looking, could and probally am wrong, seeing how it's taking some time to twist the kernel into a fully functioning 2.1.
I haven't dove into htc's code just look around yet, I did with the palm pre a bit and saw some of their almost comical comments they made on some of their internal apps, very neatly commented just some of the stuff they said was kinda comical (talking bout sections of their code being rubish but working.. noting to clean it up later)... I liked the general mood the palm dev's had at the time of their first release (rushed but focused it seemed)
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Can anyone contest to the quality of htc's kernel source? is it poorly commented and hacky? My guess it would be pretty professional looking, could and probally am wrong, seeing how it's taking some time to twist the kernel into a fully functioning 2.1.
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see thats the thing, they have already shown off several phones running sense and 2.1
whats the holdup here?
"Sprint expects to launch Android 2.2 in the near future" (except Hero and Moment)
A bit misleading... Link goes to Sprint's BAW forum where the excitement quickly turned to anger about Sprint abandoning currently shipping phones and users stuck in contracts. Despite the headline, only the Evo will be getting the 2.2 upgrade from Sprint.
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Sprint expects to launch Android 2.2 in the near future - http://bit.ly/d0HRgj
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From Sprint link...
SprintEmployee JGatSprint says:
... 2.2 will not be available for HTC Hero or Samsung Moment
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I thought that when 2.2 was announced at the big Google press event, HTC's CEO was quoted as saying that all currently shipping HTC phones would be getting the upgrade...? I'll see if I can dig up that quote.
Ah, nevermind. I found the quote and it was regarding 2.1.
I just saw the tweet, and I don't think it includes the hero, but I did hear something on that about them getting 2.2..
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cool! good job for sprint!
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I just saw the tweet, and I don't think it includes the hero, but I did hear something on that about them getting 2.2..
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No, you heard that all currently available Android phones would be getting the 2.1 update. That was when all us Hero owners were clamoring for the 2.0 upgrade.
Oh, and the good news is that we don't need HTC or Sprint to do this for us. We're fortunate enough to have a community of developers that are working hard to put out a Froyo update compatible with the Hero. Remember to tip them well, kiddos, because Sprint just left you behind. Oh, and tell your Sprint rep that this is why you rooted your phone.
They're melting down over at the official sprint forums.
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They're melting down over at the official sprint forums.
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Drop a bomb that size, you better expect nuclear fallout. If darchstar, damageless and TrevE can get Froyo on the Hero, Sprint and HTC could as well. They just want people to keep upgrading. Good business sense; poor customer support.
All you need to do is have enough of publicity about this and they'll have to do something about it.
Imagine top tech headlines;
"Sprint drops support for currently shipping phones... refuses to update firmware", "Would you trust Sprint again...", "Angry Sprint Android owners demand a refund"
...and the last one "Sprint agrees to update older android phones’ software after many complaints from customers"
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All you need to do is have enough of publicity about this and they'll have to do something about it.
Imagine top tech headlines;
"Sprint drops support for currently shipping phones... refuses to update firmware", "Would you trust Sprint again...", "Angry Sprint Android owners demand a refund"
...and the last one "Sprint agrees to update older android phones’ software after many complaints from customers"
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Good luck with that. I'm not sure they care. It's business. Besides, like I said, just tell them these types of decisions are why *ahem* some dude you know *cough* rooted his phone and he knows some guys that are working on putting 2.2 on the Hero right now.
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Oh, and the good news is that we don't need HTC or Sprint to do this for us. We're fortunate enough to have a community of developers that are working hard to put out a Froyo update compatible with the Hero.
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Posts like this are a pet peeve of mine. Not to discredit the great work that the community dev's do, but community generated ROMs that are cobbled together from other devices are NOT the same as vendor-genuine ROMs from HTC/Sprint. While in MANY ways the community ROMs are far superior, they lack the hardware-specific code (kernel drivers, etc...) that only the OEM can provide. Consistently, the most stable and fully-functional community ROMs are those based off of hardware-accurate vendor ROMs (like Fresh, based off of the shipping RUU). The ROMs derived from other devices are far more likely to have caveats such as "fully-functional except for the camera, sensors, martini shaker, ..." (I don't know what part of the term "FULLY-functional" is unclear to some devs).
While it is inevitable that the community devs WILL create a 2.2 ROM, it will not be of the same caliber that would be possible with a genuine vendor ROM to use as a starting point.
i guess you havent run. darchdroid heh
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Posts like this are a pet peeve of mine. Not to discredit the great work that the community dev's do, but community generated ROMs that are cobbled together from other devices are NOT the same as vendor-genuine ROMs from HTC/Sprint. While in MANY ways the community ROMs are far superior, they lack the hardware-specific code (kernel drivers, etc...) that only the OEM can provide. Consistently, the most stable and fully-functional community ROMs are those based off of hardware-accurate vendor ROMs (like Fresh, based off of the shipping RUU). The ROMs derived from other devices are far more likely to have caveats such as "fully-functional except for the camera, sensors, martini shaker, ..." (I don't know what part of the term "FULLY-functional" is unclear to some devs).
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Darch Droid is fully functional now. Took some time to get things figured out but now that he knows how to get it working. It shouldn't be any issue on future releases...once we get kernel code.
Not to mention that, our drivers are there in these roms, just quirky.
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Posts like this are a pet peeve of mine. Not to discredit the great work that the community dev's do, but community generated ROMs that are cobbled together from other devices are NOT the same as vendor-genuine ROMs from HTC/Sprint. While in MANY ways the community ROMs are far superior, they lack the hardware-specific code (kernel drivers, etc...) that only the OEM can provide. Consistently, the most stable and fully-functional community ROMs are those based off of hardware-accurate vendor ROMs (like Fresh, based off of the shipping RUU). The ROMs derived from other devices are far more likely to have caveats such as "fully-functional except for the camera, sensors, martini shaker, ..." (I don't know what part of the term "FULLY-functional" is unclear to some devs).
While it is inevitable that the community devs WILL create a 2.2 ROM, it will not be of the same caliber that would be possible with a genuine vendor ROM to use as a starting point.
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Doth mine ears deceive me? Are you saying that just because an Android developer works for HTC and Sprint that he's better than the hobbyists that hang out here? I think you missed the whole point of open source.
And, yes, fully-functional may take some time, but it usually happens. Kernel and drivers always come out and are adjusted as needed. As gunnyman said, Darchdroid 2.7 is fully functional. My point is that they're doing what they're doing and doing it well. Sprint/HTC could do it, but they're choosing not to, forcing users to upgrade. Again, one of the benefits of open source.
So, why the pet peeve? I'm just curious. I'm not sure if you're serious or trolling. You're on these forums, so either you're into custom ROMs or you're some kind of troll. If you're into ROMs, why are you bashing devs, because whether you meant to or not, that's what you're doing with this post. You're basically saying, "Cool painting, Picasso, but you'll never be Monet." WTF?
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Good luck with that. I'm not sure they care. It's business. Besides, like I said, just tell them these types of decisions are why *ahem* some dude you know *cough* rooted his phone and he knows some guys that are working on putting 2.2 on the Hero right now.
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I gotta keep this phone until next March so I'm kinda stuck unless I wanna shell out 500 for another phone with this one is 2.5 months old. Well, I don't want to and I can't afford to play this game. So, when we get a 2.2 for the Hero that works like it's supposed to I can hopefully stick with Flipz FreshROM and i'm donating at least 50 to that guy. Between him, Damage and all the other guys with the time and skill to do this they've earned 100x that.
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And, yes, fully-functional may take some time, but it usually happens. Kernel and drivers always come out and are adjusted as needed. As gunnyman said, Darchdroid 2.7 is fully functional. My point is that they're doing what they're doing and doing it well. Sprint/HTC could do it, but they're choosing not to, forcing users to upgrade. Again, one of the benefits of open source.
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cmcraken has a point though, Darchdroid is only fully functional because it is based on the 2.1 RUU made specifically for the hero. Until that RUU hit the streets, every previous 2.1 ROM was handicapped in some form or other. If Sprint/HTC doesn't develop a 2.2 RUU specifically for the Hero, the best the devs will be able to do is get us as close as possible, but never spot on.
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Doth mine ears deceive me? Are you saying that just because an Android developer works for HTC and Sprint that he's better than the hobbyists that hang out here? I think you missed the whole point of open source.
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I'm saying that the community developers will never have access to the resources that the vendor devs do. They will never have access to the low-level engineering data that the vendors keep behind locked doors, nor the source code for things like SenseUI. Reverse engineering can only get you so far.
I understand full well what the point of open-source is. the problem is that these phones as a whole are definitively NOT open-source. Only a small portion of the total package is open-source, and even a major portion of that (the Linux kernel source code) is a colossal PITA to get our hands on. Despite the open-source sales pitch on Android phones, they aren't very open-source in implementation.
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I'm saying that the community developers will never have access to the resources that the vendor devs do. They will never have access to the low-level engineering data that the vendors keep behind locked doors, nor the source code for things like SenseUI. Reverse engineering can only get you so far.
I understand full well what the point of open-source is. the problem is that these phones as a whole are definitively NOT open-source. Only a small portion of the total package is open-source, and even a major portion of that (the Linux kernel source code) is a colossal PITA to get our hands on. Despite the open-source sales pitch on Android phones, they aren't very open-source in implementation.
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I see your point and concede to you on this. Well played, sir. I think, though, that given the status of what has come before, that we can expect great things from reverse engineering. Hopefully, with the things I've been reading about Google and Android specifically, that things will change with Froyo. I've heard rumblings about making Android one package, the things HTC wants to do another package and the things Sprint wants to do a third package, that way Android updates can continue and the other guys have to keep up if they want us using their stuff.
Longshot? Yes. The way it should be? Yes.
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Longshot? Yes. The way it should be? Yes.
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Ditto. The vendor support (or lack thereof) and OS fragmentation is absolutely killing Android. 1.5 million iPhone 4's sold so far despite it being inferior to the Evo on all fronts. The reason? Apple. They fix bugs for their devices and provide added functionality via regular software updates. iOS 4 is provided as an upgrade to the iPhone 3G, released July 2008. Sprint can't even provide updates for a phone that's less than a year old. These Android vendors have got to get on the same page and start playing by Apple's rules if they want to compete with Apple.
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Drop a bomb that size, you better expect nuclear fallout. If darchstar, damageless and TrevE can get Froyo on the Hero, Sprint and HTC could as well. They just want people to keep upgrading. Good business sense; poor customer support.
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100% agree
At least they never pulled this ****...
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/07/14/droid-x-actually-self-destructs-if-you-try-to-mod-it/
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...-locked-down-let-me-tell-you-what-i-know.html
Edit: As usual, the hype machine might have ran with this one and many (including myself) got sucked in. Likely not as bad as originally thought. Apparently these eFuse chips are in all omap3 devices (including the milestone and original droid) so they likely are not as scary as some fear, but with the hard line Motorola is taking with the DroidX, who knows for sure?
http://stevenbird.info/2010/07/15/droidx-today-is-the-day-more-security-info/
And who would have THOUGHT a techcrunch based site would be overly dramatic to drive traffic? lol
WOWWW... jaw dropping...
Haha HTC still on top.always knew Verizon is the cdma version of AT&T.I guess Motorola following crapple's footsteps.no wonder that evil red eye on the Droid x keep watching if u do something funny with ur device.lol
Thanx for posting
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Ahh, eFuse chips for hardware bricks....That sucks.
Really lame that they are doing everything possible to prevent rooting their phone/using ROM's. I guess I can't recommend a Motorola anymore.
Wow that's crazy... this kind of scares me. What if htc decides to follow in the footsteps of these manufacturers. Hopefully they remain just and fair. If u pay for the device, its ours. No longer does yur hand need to be involved.
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Wow that's crazy... this kind of scares me. What if htc decides to follow in the footsteps of these manufacturers. Hopefully they remain just and fair. If u pay for the device, its ours. No longer does yur hand need to be involved.
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I think HTC takes a different approach. Motorola is like Apple, HTC is like Google.
I'm sure HTC sees the benefit of a few people rooting their devices so they remain in the media, show how "cool" the phone can be and all the added features. Fewer still will take the plunge and root their phone. I wonder how many rooted EVO's there are, probably around 2-3% I would guess, if not less. Sure, HTC takes "token" steps to lock us out, but nothing that hasn't taken more than a few days to break into, and I think HTC knows that.
It's a good trade off that Motorola just doesn't understand, and I'm sure HTC's phones will continue to sell very well.
It could have been a stipulation from Verizon too...but I doubt it.
HOLY hell !! that's crazy !!
Thats brutal! i hope that HTC understands a similar move would KILL their handsets.
but i have a question. if it's a hardware security feature, whats to keep someone from simply desoldering the chip?
Heh,
between
w_ww.mobilecrunch.com/2010/07/14/nope-ios-4-1-doesnt-fix-the-death-grip-antenna-issue/
and this Apple's Fix:
discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2480165&tstart=0
Things looking up and up for htc / sprint!
sorry for the link -- cant post it, "new users are not permitted to post outside links..." hey mods, fix this please?
SilverStone641 said:
Thats brutal! i hope that HTC understands a similar move would KILL their handsets.
but i have a question. if it's a hardware security feature, whats to keep someone from simply desoldering the chip?
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My understanding is that the chip also holds the firmware, or part of it, so desoldering the chip would brick the phone. It may be possible to desolder the chip and replace it with a new one and copy over the firmware information. But how many would be able to do this? Very very few..probably only a handful.
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My understanding is that the chip also holds the firmware, or part of it, so desoldering the chip would brick the phone. It may be possible to desolder the chip and replace it with a new one and copy over the firmware information. But how many would be able to do this? Very very few..probably only a handful.
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Imagine how much you could fetch on ebay for one though.....*drool*
I might be mistaken about this, but doesn't the original Droid have an unlocked bootloader? I mean, from what I hear, it's regarded as the original developer phone, and I can't see it gaining that title with a locked bootloader AND eFuse.
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I might be mistaken about this, but doesn't the original Droid have an unlocked bootloader? I mean, from what I hear, it's regarded as the original developer phone, and I can't see it gaining that title with a locked bootloader AND eFuse.
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The original droid had unlocked bootloader cuz of moto's business dealings with google at the time, which was out of the norm for them. Apparently this efuse chip was in the droid, milestone, and droidx and does the the advertised capability to brick your phone, it just isn't being utilized by motorola apparently. or thats what I've gathered so far.
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I think HTC takes a different approach. Motorola is like Apple, HTC is like Google.
I'm sure HTC sees the benefit of a few people rooting their devices so they remain in the media, show how "cool" the phone can be and all the added features. Fewer still will take the plunge and root their phone. I wonder how many rooted EVO's there are, probably around 2-3% I would guess, if not less. Sure, HTC takes "token" steps to lock us out, but nothing that hasn't taken more than a few days to break into, and I think HTC knows that.
It's a good trade off that Motorola just doesn't understand, and I'm sure HTC's phones will continue to sell very well.
It could have been a stipulation from Verizon too...but I doubt it.
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i agree htc is like google but im going to go a step further amd say they "want" to let us customize it as much as possible. what i think is that HTC, to keep their sales ranks, tries to comply with cell companies because, from what i understand, they are the ones that dont want us rooting mainly because of the wifi situation. im guessing also because of the bricking going on by novices lol
what moto is doing with the droid x is just wrong. intentionally bricking a device for a owner trying to customize is pure sabotage! if this happens i dont doubt theyll know the owner tinkered with it and not honor a replacement. that just sucks
Hey guys,
I'm feeling rather enterprising at the moment. The question is, what would it take to get a clean/stock/aosp version of Gingerbread up and running for the Verizon Fascinate? Could an XPrize style reward work? If so how much would it need to be? $1000? less? A LOT MORE? Thoughts? PLEASE ANYBODY, THOUGHTS? I need replys from devs and non-devs... If there is enough interest we could easily setup a prize fund and have it auto-refund people if the prize was not attained within a given time frame...anybody?
/Andrew
UPDATE 1: I'm totally gonna set this up! See my latest post (pg.4) for more details and new questions.
UPDATE 2:
(1) Money is the strongest motivating force that we can use.
(2) Refunds will be available should you change your mind about supporting the XPRIZE.
(3) Waiting for an official release is futile. They are MONTHS behind on a Froyo release, and we will all likely have new phones with HoneyComb before we get gingerbread through official channels.
(4) The CDMA radio is understandable the biggest obstacle, money should at least get people to work more aggressively to fix this or pursue a leak.
(5) beg, borrow, steal, i want a true google experience with the ability to RULE THE AIR, on verizon.
"Can you hear me now?"
come on guys, i can tell this is getting a few views, just add a quick reply and say, that you think this a good or bad idea...please
Sounds appealing, but I don't think this is the ideal phone developers would want to spend time on. I'm using this phone simply as a bridge to the Nexus S.
i can understand the nexus S appeal, but i imagine there are many people who wouldn't want to leave Verizon. In fact i ditched my iphone not only because Steve Jobs is a prick, but more importantly because Verizon has a much better network...
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Sounds appealing, but I don't think this is the ideal phone developers would want to spend time on. I'm using this phone simply as a bridge to the Nexus S.
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Oh, and it looks like you may not even have a Sansung Fascinate...on verizon...which is the phone i am posting about. Most of the Galaxy S variants are GSM/HSPA phones, the fascinate is a CDMA/EVDO phone and seems to be not benefit as much from the development on the other variants because of its different modem/radio. This is why i think we (verizon facinate owners) need to put some incentives out there...
I like the idea, just not sure how viable it actually is.
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I like the idea, just not sure how viable it actually is.
+1
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Oh, and it looks like you may not even have a Sansung Fascinate...on verizon...which is the phone i am posting about. Most of the Galaxy S variants are GSM/HSPA phones, the fascinate is a CDMA/EVDO phone and seems to be not benefit as much from the development on the other variants because of its different modem/radio. This is why i think we (verizon facinate owners) need to put some incentives out there...
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i agree with this
Would gladly donate a few bucks for that sweet Gingerbread..
It's a nice idea but I don't think it'll go. We don't even have a working port of 2.2 yet, nor AOSP of 2.2 running on this device... Would I like to see some gingerbread goodness? Why heck yes, but do I think it's possible...? Nope. Best just to wait for OTA release and modify it I say...
...Yes I know with samsungs history we wont see that until android 5.1 but that's besides the point!
I would gladly donate sounds like a good idea if we can make it happen
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Good idea sure
Although I have not done any really really heavy dev work for the platform, I think this is more a question on feasibility. Would I kick in for it sure, breaking totally free of the VZW\Samsung cycle would be great. However without some support or "leaks" making everything work would be a monumental task. At least if I understand the methodology.
i'd give at least $30 towards this..
I'm not going to say its not possible....but more like its not probable. It might get some money hungry devs on the fascinate though (ultimatedroid), so it cant be too bad. Well talk is cheap as they say.... So start the xPrize and see what happens...the worse thing that could happen is probably nothing gets done.
And i apologize right now in advance.... but this doesnt belong in this forum.... lol... i had to. im sorry.
Being a dev, I have to say its more trouble than its worth.
First we'd have to hack up at LEAST the .32 kernel and get froyo running. Without the froyo kernel source, its more of a pain than anything. Getting the system running to be compatible is no where near as hard as Getting the kernel.. That's something different.
I don't know what would be involved in making something like this happen, but I'd throw $50 at it.
Considering we don't have a fully working build of AOSP 2.1, I can't see this happening. Maybe if there is better source released for 2.2 when it gets here it will be easier, but I feel like if that happens, then devs would work on it anyway.
I don't think people realize that we've had aosp froyo all along. What we don't have is our driver specific kernel. We'll have gingerbread the day it becomes available but that doesn't mean anything as we won't have kernel again at the release.
@op you want us build up from the ground like we did with milestone? NONE of us will go through that hell again ever. $1000? haha that amount is nothing considering what we would put in if we were to build it up from the ground again.
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i have seen a prize work
a little history
my first smart phone was the VZ 6900 aka the HTC vogue
a windows mobile 6 phone that never had an "official" Rom or Kernel for android and yet the dev were able to not only build a fully working android 2.2 including getting all drivers to work, and as we speak those same vogue dev are now working on 2.3 builds, mind you i am not a dev and but i know this took a lot of work but a prize is what got the team moving and i would give $20 or more if we could get this going
So among poll responders most non-dev USERS would be willing to contribute some money towards this. Good news, but with only two responders claiming to be developers it's hard to say whether we could really get the interest of developers...perhaps i should PM some people? who are the big shot developers in these parts?
Lol in my words I'll sum up the article from sammys pov...oh shyttt htc is pumping out 1.2 quick let's upgrade it so it won't fail...to me epic fail, stop copying if you want to do something different at least try to beat them, don't match em
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/06/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-dual-core-cpu-getting-bumped-up-to-1-2ghz/
Don't forget to thank him, guys.
conqu1stador said:
Don't forget to thank him, guys.
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Damn straight playa
It's likely that the 1.2 ghz chip has some benefits the 1ghz version didn't and that's why they're upgrading it.
Doesn't really matter to me...it's still a Samsung. I'll take HTC over Sammy any day of the week. I'd rather not have to wait until the next version of Android is released to be upgraded to the next newest version, which is what Samsung always seems to do.
mattykinsx said:
It's likely that the 1.2 ghz chip has some benefits the 1ghz version didn't and that's why they're upgrading it.
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Oh no doubt I was only speculating on the fact that they used 1.2, they could have done 1.1 for battery life or even 1.3 to "beat" the competition I just found it funny how they did this, it kind of utters what they did like a month ago or maybe weeks with the galaxy tab, once they saw the iPad 2 s pricing they delayed the release and then came out with cheaper pricing, IMO samsungs trying to change their somewhat poor reputation which I respect but at the same time do something that the competition hasn't already, you guys see what I'm saying
I'm with you HTC over Samsung any day!!!
blackroseMD1 said:
Doesn't really matter to me...it's still a Samsung. I'll take HTC over Sammy any day of the week. I'd rather not have to wait until the next version of Android is released to be upgraded to the next newest version, which is what Samsung always seems to do.
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There's evidence that they are going to be changing those ways, plus, with the fragmentation clause I don't think the issue is going to remain rampant.
Let's also remember, guys, that with Samsung we haven't seen encrypting bootloaders and such.
HTC, it's just starting.
Thanks for the feedback with posts and votes guys
mattykinsx said:
There's evidence that they are going to be changing those ways, plus, with the fragmentation clause I don't think the issue is going to remain rampant.
Let's also remember, guys, that with Samsung we haven't seen encrypting bootloaders and such.
HTC, it's just starting.
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i think you can find that same wish/thought/rumor/promise from sammy before each big release. hhhmmm.....
guess the saying is true.. and sammy is banking on it.
"there is a sucker born every minute"
Dan330 said:
i think you can find that same wish/thought/rumor/promise from sammy before each big release. hhhmmm.....
guess the saying is true.. and sammy is banking on it.
"there is a sucker born every minute"
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No really, Google is implementing a fragmentation clause which will encourage manufacturers to update their phones if they want the source code for the latest Android OS. Google is trying to "fix" this problem and Samsung will either follow suit or go back to their own proprietary OS which would probably put them out of the phone business.
housry23 said:
No really, Google is implementing a fragmentation clause which will encourage manufacturers to update their phones if they want the source code for the latest Android OS. Google is trying to "fix" this problem and Samsung will either follow suit or go back to their own proprietary OS which would probably put them out of the phone business.
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Ding ding
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Well it'd be nice to have all the phones updated that way it leads to more competition, thanks for voting everyone
housry23 said:
No really, Google is implementing a fragmentation clause which will encourage manufacturers to update their phones if they want the source code for the latest Android OS. Google is trying to "fix" this problem and Samsung will either follow suit or go back to their own proprietary OS which would probably put them out of the phone business.
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hhhmmm.... is this published by google.. or some more speculation and rumors? it would be nice.
but.. from what you wrote.. I see 2 big holes in this "clause".
1. this is an open source... anyone should be allow to access the info!
2. let me walk this through the end of a phone life cycle..
galaxy s phones will reach end-of-life in about a 1 yr....
but if sammy want the android 3.2 (or what ever dessert is out at the time);
sammy can not have it for their new phones... unless they keep upgrading the galaxy s lines...
what about 5 yrs from now? still they got to keep upgrading it??
these 2 things.. make me think doubt that "clause"
someone really had to be the dbag...smh, samsung lmao, whateverrrr
Dan330 said:
hhhmmm.... is this published by google.. or some more speculation and rumors? it would be nice.
but.. from what you wrote.. I see 2 big holes in this "clause".
1. this is an open source... anyone should be allow to access the info!
2. let me walk this through the end of a phone life cycle..
galaxy s phones will reach end-of-life in about a 1 yr....
but if sammy want the android 3.2 (or what ever dessert is out at the time);
sammy can not have it for their new phones... unless they keep upgrading the galaxy s lines...
what about 5 yrs from now? still they got to keep upgrading it??
these 2 things.. make me think doubt that "clause"
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Maybe you should pay some, or hell ANY, attention to android news before you make a post doubting something that we all know about.
ill post the link later as I'm currently mobile
HTC Evo 3d.
I played with a Vibrant when I was with T-Mobile and an Epic when I first started Sprint (I actually still have Odin and the software package to run to return to 2.1 unrooted in case my idiot friend bricks his phone again ). I just like HTC's hardware and software better. The phone feels faster, looks faster, feels more durable, looks more durable, performs better, looks prettier and seems more stable than touchwiz sammy phones. Even with their Nexus S, they still manage to screw a lot of things up. No expandable memory = a 16GB Android iPhone. Make entirely out of cheap plastic. Fail.
HTC > Samsung
mattykinsx said:
Maybe you should pay some, or hell ANY, attention to android news before you make a post doubting something that we all know about.
ill post the link later as I'm currently mobile
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cant wait to read it.
but did your read what i wrote?
according to what you wrote.. all phones will have to be upgraded forever!!
Dan330 said:
cant wait to read it.
but did your read what i wrote?
according to what you wrote.. all phones will have to be upgraded forever!!
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No its not what I said.
I said there is going to be a non fragmentation clause.
I'm sure there will be rules to it because at some point old phones really can't handle the new software improvements ...however....there iis NO EXCUSE BUT LAZINESS for practically all phones not running android 2.3.3.
Furthermore it does NOT violate the definition of open source.
Just as the GPL does not violate the idea of open source.
Its merely a condition...you use the software on your devices...you keep the software updated to protect your users.
Its just another stipulation.
how would that stipulation or clause be worded or enforced on an open source product?
i agree it would be great...
but i dont think it will work for this enviroment