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Any questions for microsoft

Any questions for microsoft
Hi all,
On Monday week - ie 11th July I will be meeting with microsoft and hopefully looking at the HTC Universal in detail. I will take my camcorder along so hopefully they will let me take some footage.
Does anyone have any questions they want asked?
Also I will try to take a "origami size pattern" of the universal as many prople are worried about the size. ie you can print, fold and glue to get an accurate feel of its volume.
Any other suggestions on information that can be gained from this meeting?
Jayman
Edit: I will also try to get a couple of sample photos/video from the cameras

Ask about WM5 for other HTC devices. That would be cool to know what MS says about it.

Do you mean upgrades for existing HTC models (this is a carrier decision not m$) or do you mean new models yet to be announced such as the galaxy/wizard?

Jayman said:
or do you mean new models yet to be announced such as the galaxy/wizard?
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... which is also a question to ask manufacturers and not Microsoft.

Stateside
I wouldn't expect them to have any information on this either, but it's worth a shot. Ask if they have any information when we might be able to see this device in the US. Even ballpark figures will do. I need something to keep me away from the Samsung i730.
Also, if it is a working device, I'd be interested to know how it performs as a phone (without headset/speakerphone) in both the open and closed screen position. (i.e. are the speaker and microphone positioned to work well in both configurations?). Check out the memory configuration as well, see how much ROM is left for storage.
One more thing...WM5 seems to lend itself to easier one handed usage. I'm not sure it will be possible with the Universal, but I'd be interested in your interpretation.
It sounds like a great opportunity, have fun!
Shawn

1)
Will there be a HotFix system for the WM2005, or is there any plans for it.
2)
Will M$ Relase Rom, Radio etc. upgrades/Fixes directly in the future for WM 2005.
3)
What is M$ doing about the fact that installed programs can make the device general unstable. Are you looking into this problem and plan to solve this issue.
I'm no programmer and don't know why this happends, but i guess it the same story as Windows for desktops in earlier years?

Good luck fella.
Ask them when they are finally going to solve the microphone support issues with the phone application, why the same mic works perfectly well with speakerphone, voice recorder ect but is far too low on phone.
Maybe they could add a volume slider for the Mic in the phone app (and here's another tip, if they do, they current level should be the bottom setting!!)

Take the invisible Rom-Grabber with you and ask for a Blue Angel with WM 5.0...

USB Host
Can you find out if they have any plans to include USB host drivers so that we can use our windows mobile devices with portable hard drives. The form factor of the Universal can only be justified (by me) if I can get rid of my pc on many trips. To do that, I need access to files on my portable hard drive. Would be nice if they supported this functionality.
Ray

USB Host
Can you find out if they have any plans to include USB host drivers so that we can use our windows mobile devices with portable hard drives. The form factor of the Universal can only be justified (by me) if I can get rid of my pc on many trips. To do that, I need access to files on my portable hard drive. Would be nice if they supported this functionality.
Ray

did the meeting happen?
hi friends,
did someone actually meet ms people!
:twisted: :shock: :idea:

it's not software which limit devices from being masters and using external harddisks or the like

It's all gone very quiet, surely the rumours about the Redmond mafia's business dealings can't be true ...... can they?
Maybe we should have just suggested questions like "Is it true Bill Gates gives lots of money to charity?", or maybe "Tell me more about Microsoft's work in the third world". Poor old Jayman!

Rudegar said:
it's not software which limit devices from being masters and using external harddisks or the like
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Oh, yes it is software: they're called 'drivers', because the programs 'steer' the data to the correct controlling program.
The Universal has a USB port, so it should have a driver on it somewhere. The question would be, is the divice loaded with a driver to allow it to 'master' other devices, or is it just the syncing point?

Maybe he meant it's more likely to be HTC that can answer that question?
Of far more importance to me is does the device have a suitable method of connecting to an LCD projector? IMHO, this is the absolute killer app for a "laptop replacement" & it's pretty much the only thing I miss from the Xda II.

its more likely that ms and htc is the same, if you know what i mean. and its very likely that there is no company called htc in reallity. maybe a post box hanging in taiwan is called htc and a website hosted (???) in taiwan. but noone is working for a company called htc. i can assure you in that point. and even if there is a hand full of people claiming them selfe working for a company called htc - they are not located in taiwan. need more info about that? go to china and find out yourself, best to start your research is at a company called dopod!
cheers, lutz

lutzh said:
its more likely that ms and htc is the same, if you know what i mean. and its very likely that there is no company called htc in reallity. maybe a post box hanging in taiwan is called htc and a website hosted (???) in taiwan. but noone is working for a company called htc. i can assure you in that point. and even if there is a hand full of people claiming them selfe working for a company called htc - they are not located in taiwan. need more info about that? go to china and find out yourself, best to start your research is at a company called dopod!
cheers, lutz
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Please tell me more about this, lutz. I don't have the means to go to China and research it, but I always like to hear a good conspiracy theory.

Oh, yes it is software: they're called 'drivers', because the programs 'steer' the data to the correct controlling program.
The Universal has a USB port, so it should have a driver on it somewhere. The question would be, is the divice loaded with a driver to allow it to 'master' other devices, or is it just the syncing point?
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if you found a way to make a usb peripheral a master using software
then contact www.usb.org i'm sure they will be impressed
the universal if it have usb support contain a usb chip which can act as master
much like my gf's old acer pda which also have such a chip
htc would have gotten a better usb interface had they used the usb interface from the ati chip insted of the nativ xcale usb interface

Please tell them
F*******************KING SOLVE BLUETOOTH PROBLEMS, AT LEAST MAKE IT WORKING PROPERLY...........
regards
Gugi
-- sorry for swearing but ......

@gugi_sat: The meeting is over!
It happened on the 11th..

USB Host disconnected pin?

hello,
i've heard that the universal WOULD support USB host drivers if an unconnected pin inside the universal was connected... could anyone tell me;
- if i manage to get the pin connected, would i get usb host features like on any other usb host phone with proper drivers?
- how hard is it to do?
- WHAT to do?

Oh man,really really nice interesting idea,hope it's true and possible,i hope someone knows all about that and soon writes here how that is possible maaan,would be really awesome to play with that

PalDragan said:
Oh man,really really nice interesting idea,hope it's true and possible,i hope someone knows all about that and soon writes here how that is possible maaan,would be really awesome to play with that
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nice to hear someone else would like to get it to work too
EDIT: just found this on another thread on another forum about a PXA270 phone, someone was trying to get it to work, seems like all we need is
- switch the pin to host mode
- a driver (maybe zenos latest ones?)
After about 6 months of not touching this project, I decided to take another quickie look at the PXA270 docs and programmers reference. What I now see is very interesting.
Originally, I was looking at bringing out the USB Host 1 interface pins to the outside world as they were only terminated internally on the motherboard. Only about 1% of users might be able to do that.
I then started to look at the USB OTG (On The Go) interface that this chip supports. The USB OTG interface can be used as both a client and host. It shares the same pins as the Axim's serial port. Unfortuately, there are two serial control lines pins that are not brought out to the connector, so I scrubbed that idea.
This past weekend I picked up the programmer's design reference book to look at how the various USB interfaces are programmed and I saw something that I missed before as this was in the USB Client section. It appears (to me anyways) that the USB Client pins can also be programmed to act as a USB Host when in the USB OTG low power operation mode. The manual discusses how the additional control registers are used along with an output mux and charge-pump circuit (to provide the +5v). Refer to the PXA27x Processor Family Developer's Manual - dated Jan 2006, sections 12.5.2 and 20.
I will be looking at this more closely to see if a simple driver can be written (Afarre, where are you...) to switch the USB client pins into Host mode. In addition to this, the USB device drivers would be needed. Please remember, an additional IO interface circuit will be needed to connect between any USB device and the Axim as the proper voltages are not on the sync connector.
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the_fish said:
nice to hear someone else would like to get it to work too
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Suuuuuuuuuure,every crazy idea to abuse my PPC and i'm in for the quest

PalDragan said:
Suuuuuuuuuure,every crazy idea to abuse my PPC and i'm in for the quest
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haha same, btw thats the link to the topic:
http://www.mobilitysite.com/boards/x50-x51-forums/140071-hacking-pxa270-internal-usb-host-24.html
Unfortunately, this means it's not for 99% of users as it requires a delicate hardware mod/addition to the motherboard (see my earlier posts & photos in this thread).
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seems like they were still working on the driver (which we already have(?)) so we only need the hardware mod.... i guess...

the_fish said:
haha same, btw thats the link to the topic:
http://www.mobilitysite.com/boards/x50-x51-forums/140071-hacking-pxa270-internal-usb-host-24.html
seems like they were still working on the driver (which we already have(?)) so we only need the hardware mod.... i guess...
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Ummm it's definately a crazy idea. We were discussing with mamaich (our guru) last year. Unfortunately it's not that simple to provide the power in sync connector, which is acting as a usb client (connector) at the moment.

tomal said:
Ummm it's definately a crazy idea. We were discussing with mamaich (our guru) last year. Unfortunately it's not that simple to provide the power in sync connector, which is acting as a usb client (connector) at the moment.
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did you read in the thread i posted a link to? they had the same problem, but also found out that it maybe is possible to provide the nessecary +5v too, they were not sure tho, and i thought maybe zenos drivers contain the code to do that.

the_fish said:
did you read in the thread i posted a link to? they had the same problem, but also found out that it maybe is possible to provide the nessecary +5v too, they were not sure tho, and i thought maybe zenos drivers contain the code to do that.
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Ok, seems there is a new idea of power injection from outside.
Anybody tried it...?

Couple of months ago, I was trying with outside +5v power but nothing happens

Win_XP said:
Couple of months ago, I was trying with outside +5v power but nothing happens
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did you use one of those special USB cables that have two female USB-A, one for power and the other for the device to plug in?

http://htc-tytn-ii.handster.com/software.php?id=3339&for=HTC+TyTN+II
i don't know anything about this.. i'm actually looking to hook up something that normally has a rs-232 port.. but is also made in usb.. It draws power from another source
with something like that program doesn't that suggest usb host is possible..

http://gnalpgnarf.handster.com/software.php?id=3339&for=gnalpgnarf

hmmm....am I right or am I wrong?
Theoretically speaking the idea with a pin is supposed to redirect power from intake to output, however, not only Uni is incapable of supporting the output (you are essentially attempting to piggyback another device), the external support will not be possible due to pin configuration, regardless of the cable used.
Another thing, other than sheer experimentation, what would be the real point of such USB host?
STOP TORTURING YOUR UNIs, GUYS!!!!

I am pretty sure, that the Universal doesn't support USB Host.
It did not, it does not, it will not.
Sorry guys!
To be honest:
Yes, the PXA270 chip supports USB Host, but in most HTC devices they use this feature already for something else, like: WLAN or 3G connection.
DOMy

seen this?:
http://hhtinker.blogspot.com/2008/10/usb-host-on-treo-650.html

do you know what USB Host already busy?
it used as data call transfer radio <-> CE.
USB hub will not solve this problem easy.
also if you want attach it to miniUSB connector, you need additional OTG chip.
=> Host on universal is very hard to do, ...impossible.

Meaning behind various COM# in Odin?

Hey everyone-
I've been curious about what specifically the different COM modes mean in Odin while flashing roms onto the vibrant? I know that COM6 is generally what u wanna work when using Odin with the vibrant, but I've flashed numerous roms when Odin has shown other COM# messages. Anyways, I was just curious if anyone actually knew exactly what each one meant, just wondering? Thanks in advance.
-regards, bobofosho123

I think that is what port you are using. Try plugging into a different usb port and it should change. Ive mever too much worried with the numbering and have never had any problems.
You should be able to turn on and off whether a certain port is set to high or low power via your computer settings, that is the only thing I can think of that would make a difference. I have also heard that the usb cord you use can make a difference. I know when I first got my phone odin was impossible and I do think that was due to the cord as it had a hard time making a connection and ended up corroding the micro usb port on my phone. After I cleaned it and switched to a cord that fit the phone better all of my problems went away. I also know someone else who got a cord like that from samsung and it had trouble connecting so he sent it back and and his new one has not had any trouble. So if you have a particular usb port you use whether its 5 or 6 etc. if its been working fine it should be ok. If your using windows it will usually tell you whether or not the usb you are using is high speed or not, which is what you want as that translates to better flashing, charging, and everything else. Sorry for my rambling, hope that helps bobofosho.
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Most operations that involved firmware mockery are performed via serial connectivity, since you have a USB interface, there are OS calls made to perform USB to serial conversion - and in essence turning the USB interface into emulated serial interface COM port (communication port).
Did I bore you with details? You asked for it, I hope I answered it.

lqaddict said:
Most operations that involved firmware mockery are performed via serial connectivity, since you have a USB interface, there are OS calls made to perform USB to serial conversion - and in essence turning the USB interface into emulated serial interface COM port (communication port).
Did I bore you with details? You asked for it, I hope I answered it.
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you sure did, thanks for the reply.

USB host

Does any know if is possibile to connect a pen USB to HD2?
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leo usb host (sponsored by google) gives THIS xda thread from feb last year,
(not very easily, is the actual answer)

i wanna bring this up again. would it be possible to port the usb host kernel patch from the nexus one or desire hd to the hd2 kernel?

+1 bump, i would be interested in this as well. The wiki states current kernel is the problem
http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leo/Status
Code:
USB
Android Debug (ADB) works
Normal USB Ethernet works with patch from mobile-linux-discuss Mailing List - see Contact
USB Host is broken in current kernel (due to battery driver detection not working). see mailing list Contact
but i'm not sure which branch it refers to, .32 should have no problem with this. Should be portable from the N1, since it's the same SoC. We would also need an app for switching between Host and Slave mode

+1 for this feature, would love to copy the camera HQ snaps and upload to flickr while on the move. ALso keeping a backup pendrive with songs/videos will be wonderful too. The possibilities are actually endless

USB OTG / Host thread bump
I would like to bump the thread.
I recall USB host funcionality was successfully implemented to ubuntu distros kernel...
It was ported to android distros with loosing the USB gadjet funcionality (desire and nexus)
... but now there is a new light...
It is fully working on SGS2! this means no more: "android is not built for this"
are there any kernel devs interested in USB OTG for leo?
Is there anyone familiar how it's done in SGS2 kernel and android build so that it just works?

I thought it was the case that Leo does not supply any power to the USB port = tough to power devices :-(
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smeddy said:
I thought it was the case that Leo does not supply any power to the USB port = tough to power devices :-(
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Available information says it does not.
Possibly there are some microp commands to trigger some power when OTG is supposed to be active...
After all, power could be injected from an external source (this is how it works under linux distros: Ubuntu on Leo, Debian) so i think this would be the smallest problem

Today I saw that DFT has made the USB host working on WM6.5, so it is only a software limitation , and it is in the current kernel.
I've used an USBHost mode onmy DHD (with a patched kernel for USB host). Actually it can''t provide enough power to other devices, but with some power injection cable the Mass Storage works fine.
Also i saw in the EVO forum a guy who ported a DirectLink Display Drivers, so this will give us a TV-Out option.
So is there anyone working for solution?

Leo usb host development
Although I have not much experience in kernel development I will put all my efforts on figuring out a solution on this issue.
I have a question to ported Host mode to your DHD.
I have heard that when host mode is implemented to the kernel, one must sacrifice USB gadget (on this kernel only). Did you try ADB or multimount to connect to pc?
Host mode was successfully implemented into linux distro kernel and I may be wrong but I recall Dan1j3l mentioned somewhere that he was able to port the Sven Killig's host mode to Leo android kernel as well.
Besides, in the 2.6.37 kernel (CM) for Leo developent tree there are all of the files included, but the problem is that the kernel does not boot yet :/

ogonzuhnina said:
Although I have not much experience in kernel development I will put all my efforts on figuring out a solution on this issue.
I have a question to ported Host mode to your DHD.
I have heard that when host mode is implemented to the kernel, one must sacrifice USB gadget (on this kernel only). Did you try ADB or multimount to connect to pc?
Host mode was successfully implemented into linux distro kernel and I may be wrong but I recall Dan1j3l mentioned somewhere that he was able to port the Sven Killig's host mode to Leo android kernel as well.
Besides, in the 2.6.37 kernel (CM) for Leo developent tree there are all of the files included, but the problem is that the kernel does not boot yet :/
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Since there are many (including myself) who are interested in this, maybe we should open a thread for DEVs (tag it with [DEV]) to see who can help with this. Hope that you will be successful with this.

separate [DEV] thread
sure, why not.
One thing I would suggest though
As i hate endless talks in threads (making them hard to get condenced info on the subject) maybe it would make sense to have a pair of threads: one with babbling, second with pure technical info and conclusions.
in case of my progress I am at the stage of reading, pulling trees, setting up environments, reading, reading, reading...
since there is a number of trees with host included I am planning to setup some sort of code visualisation tools to look for similarities and system solutions - will try to implement it further into our Leo kernel
... dont know where it will lead me, but with a little luck...

Just a little update (for those interested)
I managed to succesfully compile and boot a kernel with host patch roughly integrated.
I did not test if the host features worked or not, but at least the process is somehow working, and the source code is not totally messed up.
The symptoms observed within android are USB connection not recognized and no charging (effect of usb gadget functions being cut off; battery/charging driver dependent on usb connection state).
It is obvious that the way is still long, but at least there is some minor progress
I am not going to give up...yet
Whish me luck ;-)
(It's time to setup some gear and read lots more...)
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Thanks for your efforts I am definitely following this closely. Having USB Host would up the usability of this device hundred folds!!!!!
All the best!!!!!!!
ogonzuhnina said:
Just a little update (for those interested)
I managed to succesfully compile and boot a kernel with host patch roughly integrated.
I did not test if the host features worked or not, but at least the process is somehow working, and the source code is not totally messed up.
The symptoms observed within android are USB connection not recognized and no charging (effect of usb gadget functions being cut off; battery/charging driver dependent on usb connection state).
It is obvious that the way is still long, but at least there is some minor progress
I am not going to give up...yet
Whish me luck ;-)
(It's time to setup some gear and read lots more...)
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no major updates yet :/
for anyone following...
Sorry for not giving any major update.
I did setup all required hardware, tested, but (as suspected) it didn't work yet.
I had to suspend host related activities due to uni stuff.
I expect to close my remaining issues within a week and get back to getting this bastard to work
cheers

ogonzuhnina said:
for anyone following...
Sorry for not giving any major update.
I did setup all required hardware, tested, but (as suspected) it didn't work yet.
I had to suspend host related activities due to uni stuff.
I expect to close my remaining issues within a week and get back to getting this bastard to work
cheers
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Well, you have one person here faithfully following the progress All the best!

ogonzuhnina said:
for anyone following...
Sorry for not giving any major update.
I did setup all required hardware, tested, but (as suspected) it didn't work yet.
I had to suspend host related activities due to uni stuff.
I expect to close my remaining issues within a week and get back to getting this bastard to work
cheers
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Hey, how are things coming along? I, for one, am very interested to see the results of your experimentation

why wont devs help u?
erlern said:
Hey, how are things coming along? I, for one, am very interested to see the results of your experimentation
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+1 here too but i cant understand y devs are helping him with getting usb working especially with so many brilliant devs on here!!
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+1 here too but i cant understand y devs are not helping him with getting usb working especially with so many brilliant devs on here!![/really meant y devs are not elping him me bad
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Hi guys,
Thanks for the support.
Unfortunately I had no time to move anywhere forwards due to tough times at work :/
Comming week is (hopefuly) the last one, as next weekend I am planning to be a master in engineering
To explain the other devs:
the host capabilities of our android device seams a minor benefit, esspecially in comparison to 2.6.35 or .37 ongoing developments.
Let them do these serious stuff and left these /fairly/ simple ports to greenhorns
cheers

ogonzuhnina said:
Hi guys,
Thanks for the support.
Unfortunately I had no time to move anywhere forwards due to tough times at work :/
Comming week is (hopefuly) the last one, as next weekend I am planning to be a master in engineering
To explain the other devs:
the host capabilities of our android device seams a minor benefit, esspecially in comparison to 2.6.35 or .37 ongoing developments.
Let them do these serious stuff and left these /fairly/ simple ports to greenhorns
cheers
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Thanks for updating us Take your time then... you are starting your Masters or you are graduating?
Btw, I believe that the devs are not 'helping' because they do not know about this thread in the Q&A... would be nice if you can start a thread with a [DEV] tag. That would really get their attention. Just my 2 cents. I could gladly come up with one if you don't have the time.
Thanks.

crazy testers needed

ok so I'm thinking of trying to get usb host mode working on x10
problem 1, the usb port in x10 does not provide power.to external devices...
i want some crazy tester to set.up a jig as mentioned here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24618556
(just make the jig....do not.think about that kernel...that's a totally different phone)
next, the kernel.you have to.use.is this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24217211
or, one.of.the two.kernels here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24026342
(as per your ROM, select kernel)
next we.need a usb host controller app (sztupy has made.one)
so get that
if someone is ready to go through this.... please contact me
maybe we can get usb otg up and running on x10
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Hey champ, just curious what the purpose of the jig is? If my understanding of a jig is correct, isn't it simply a 301ohm resistor between pins 4 and 5 in a USB connector? Usually used to put Samsung phones into download mode, I believe. I can see how I would need a usb OTG cable and a powered hub, but why the jig?
I hope that you're on to something here, USB host on the x10 would be incredible!
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;24732035 said:
Hey champ, just curious what the purpose of the jig is? If my understanding of a jig is correct, isn't it simply a 301ohm resistor between pins 4 and 5 in a USB connector? Usually used to put Samsung phones into download mode, I believe. I can see how I would need a usb OTG cable and a powered hub, but why the jig?
I hope that you're on to something here, USB host on the x10 would be incredible!
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actually yes....
we just need the otg cable and some way to provide power to the usb device....
rest my kernels i linked.to...I've complied them with host mode drivers enabled...
at the moment (for next 4-5 weeks) i do not have the time/energy/money/resources to set this hardware monkeying business....for that i need a volunteer.....
rest the kernel is up, and once device is connected, i can guide the person into mounting it too....
we just MIGHT do a big thing here
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Hey champ, I did have a usb 4 port hub that used a power supply. Will something like this work?
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ToledoJab said:
Hey champ, I did have a usb 4 port hub that used a power supply. Will something like this work?
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yes maybe... see my fxp mod kernels have usb mode enabled...we have to try and see if it works
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championswimmer said:
yes maybe... see my fxp mod kernels have usb mode enabled...we have to try and see if it works
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I have not used fxp yet. Whats a good kernel & rom to test with.
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The circuit/adapter needed is rather simple:
It will let data pass through, and from an external source provide power to both the phone and the device.
I might be up to test this, but I have to gather some leftover parts from broken USB gadgets I have lying around.
Now where did I place that 5 volt power supply? * looks around*
I'll be back...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=923864
^^^ build your own hub.

get the hardware up guys, (I'm currently shifting homes, and all hardware related stuff cannot be found easily...lol)
I'll see what can be done about kernel and about mounting it..we might *just* be able to pull this off....
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OmegaRED^ said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=923864
^^^ build your own hub.
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Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper just to buy a powered one? But it does remind me of how pissed off I was as a kid when I ordered a Sinclair ZX81 kit to build and the bloody idiots sent me an assembled unit instead at no additional charge. Useless.

TAL333 said:
Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper just to buy a powered one? But it does remind me of how pissed off I was as a kid when I ordered a Sinclair ZX81 kit to build and the bloody idiots sent me an assembled unit instead at no additional charge. Useless.
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Usb connection needs to be modded to micro usb either way.
I had ZX81.. such a awesome toy and tool.

Hey all,
I have all the nessesary hardware - DIY battery powered hub module with PWM power.Works fine on some other devices, not on X10.
It is because I was making a lot of developing and experiments with otg mode on X10 (X10 schematics helped). I have also built kernel modules, loaded them succesfully, but nothing else - logcat or dmesg didnt see anything and no errors returned (stick,HDD,mouse,keyboard...).
So, i could be volunteer, because I am interested of it, and slso have hardware and software skills
BTW.: I am also very curious about new ideas in otg X10

HeliumX10 said:
Hey all,
I have all the nessesary hardware - DIY battery powered hub module with PWM power.Works fine on some other devices, not on X10.
It is because I was making a lot of developing and experiments with otg mode on X10 (X10 schematics helped). I have also built kernel modules, loaded them succesfully, but nothing else - logcat or dmesg didnt see anything and no errors returned (stick,HDD,mouse,keyboard...).
So, i could be volunteer, because I am interested of it, and slso have hardware and software skills
BTW.: I am also very curious about new ideas in otg X10
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try using my v5 kCernel
(you'll have to use fxp cm7 rom along with it )
it has usb otg enabled in kernel
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Ou... see that it requires unlocked bootloader
Sorry, is there any other solution how to get this kernel working? I. e. source code which can allow me to build locked bootloader kernel image?
And for your information, in kernel page (from your signature) version 5, link for wifi modules is dead , says file not found.

HeliumX10 said:
Ou... see that it requires unlocked bootloader
Sorry, is there any other solution how to get this kernel working? I. e. source code which can allow me to build locked bootloader kernel image?
And for your information, in kernel page (from your signature) version 5, link for wifi modules is dead , says file not found.
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will try to build locked bl kernel for you...
for file download see my signature, there is dev host mirror and direct link both... (look inside x10 folder inside kernels)
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championswimmer said:
will try to build locked bl kernel for you...
for file download see my signature, there is dev host mirror and direct link both... (look inside x10 folder inside kernels)
Sent from my X10S using xda premium
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Anyway thanks for even try ! Good luck
(TX pressed )

I've been experminetning hoping i'd get anything to show up in the kernel logs when attempting to connect something to the port.
However, even if the chip itself does support this, I start to believe the circuit board simply isn't wired up to function in this way.
Now think about it: Why would SE put the extra circuitry in (even if themselves are rather primitive), if they never planned to include it in the first place?
What I've done so far:
Made a simple adapter based on a experiment board with two USB connectors, and a DC in jack that supplies both connectors with 5 volts, that charges the phone, provides the common ground and supplies the gadget one connects (In my case a simple USB flash memory)
I tested this adapter on another device that does support USB on the Go, or what it's called. It works.
Even if a kernel doesn't support the device itself, the log will show signs that an unknown device is connected, which is good enough for me, as confirms the hardware works.
Now onto the X10:
Tried the ROM FreeXperia FXP117, with the kernel from FXP115, as is. dmesg gives no result at all. Also tried flipping around the data + and -, no result. Device is charging, bu nothing else.
Tried the kCernels, from the link provided by the OP in the first post.
While I had trouble booting the device up completely (My own fault, has nothing tod with this thread), at least I was able to boot the kernel and was able to access the device from the debug bridge (adb shell).
Yet again no result. Nothing from dmesg, nothing on the flash memory that indicates kernel accessing it. (It flashes a few times initially when detected otherwise)
Questions:
Are we talking about a separate modified kernel module here?
If so I might have missed it.
Have I missed any importants steps? (loading the external modules for instance?)
EDIT:
Are now "screwing" around with some USB hubs, connectors and are also looking int othis S3C USB Host thing. I suspect that one is aspecial thing for samsung, and are not the same as other devices uses.
We might need another way to control the USB-mode in the X10 chipset, which I suspect is not a S3C based one.
I also suspect the device need a special chip in order to switch between host and device mode, and that chip also provides the "root hub" in question. I suspect the X10 lacks all those things, even if the chipset itself proviced support for it.
EDIT 2:
No success at all. I even tried to detect if there where any data exchange between the X10 and the hubs I've tried (Both straight and crossover on the data leads)
Nothing. There is no whatsoever activity at all going on between the devices.
With that. I'm pretty sure one need a special chip that wakes up the USB host mode in the chipset when certain circumstances are fulfilled. (Normally a chip integrated in the device itself, which the X10 lacks)
I'll place this little project of mine, on the shelf for the time being.
At least until someone can provide us with additional tips that can lead into forcing the X10 chipset into USB host mode.
To put this in simpler terms:
One cannot simply connect to devices to eachother. Nothing will happen.
Both devices will sit there, waiting for the other one to start speaking so either one can respond to the other.
That is how USB device and host mode works:
When a device is connected, the host will detect it and start speaking to it, asking questions the device have to respond to. The device itself will never start speaking, it will only listen, and only respond when asked.
Once this has happened, the data exchange between the device and the operating system can take its course.
The X10 is a device, it listens.
If we try to connect a device/gadget to it, that is not a host itself, it will also sit there listening.
In this situation, we have two or more devices that refuses to speak, as there are no host around to start the conversation.
What we nee to do here, is encourage the X10 to start speaking, by forcing it into host mode BEFORE we connect anything.

for SysGhost:
Same as I did before on doomlord kernels with same (no) results
If you want, i have X10i block diagram schemes. I have already researched them for many many days, but maybe you will find something else...
And one thing - have you loaded usb host kernel modules? Even if hardware supports it, but doesnt have its module, nothing will show up in kernel or system message bus Maybe you know it, maybe not....

HeliumX10 said:
for SysGhost:
Same as I did before on doomlord kernels with same (no) results
If you want, i have X10i block diagram schemes. I have already researched them for many many days, but maybe you will find something else...
And one thing - have you loaded usb host kernel modules? Even if hardware supports it, but doesnt have its module, nothing will show up in kernel or system message bus Maybe you know it, maybe not....
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Any documents on the X10 would be helpful. If you got any, I'd gladly have a look.

SysGhost said:
Any documents on the X10 would be helpful. If you got any, I'd gladly have a look.
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here there are
As I am uploading them here, i remember that I had found, that USB host cables are located (as in diagram) on the right side of the JTAG pins (under battery stick), because there is located an usb switcher (page 15).
But not sure about it - time to brainstorm