Has the Touch HD hardware ever changed? IOW, would a recent purchase be the exact same hardware as when they first came out with updates only being in soft/firmware?
AFAICT, the THD comes with TouchFlo3D 2.1, but there are now 2.5 and even 2.6 versions kicking around that offer good reasons to want to upgrade. But how?
I see new ROMS that include later versions, but is it necessary to install an entirely new ROM? What does TF3D include? There's manilla.exe, but are there any other actual files? Would it not be possible to simply install a later version of manilla without having to change everything else?
Will 2.5 and 2.6 run on WM6(.1) or do they require 6.5?
Just trying to get a handle on potential upgrades (once I actually get hold of a THD - still looking).
UKenGB said:
Has the Touch HD hardware ever changed? IOW, would a recent purchase be the exact same hardware as when they first came out with updates only being in soft/firmware?
AFAICT, the THD comes with TouchFlo3D 2.1, but there are now 2.5 and even 2.6 versions kicking around that offer good reasons to want to upgrade. But how?
I see new ROMS that include later versions, but is it necessary to install an entirely new ROM? What does TF3D include? There's manilla.exe, but are there any other actual files? Would it not be possible to simply install a later version of manilla without having to change everything else?
Will 2.5 and 2.6 run on WM6(.1) or do they require 6.5?
Just trying to get a handle on potential upgrades (once I actually get hold of a THD - still looking).
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There would be no hardware changes between first HD released and latest one. Only difference would be rom installed on device which would be an upgrade incorporating a few fixes. This would still be wm6.1.
Wm6.5 is only available through a cooked rom.
To upgrade to a new manila, you will need to flash a rom which has this available (generally a cooked rom). Only rom that I know of which has manila 2.5 on wm6.1 is Miri's. But it does appear to have some limitations due to incompatibilities between wm6.1 and manila 2.5.
Latest manila's are more touch friendly and also have landscape capabilities whereas earlier version did not.
Thanks for that, but why would you HAVE to install a new ROM just to update TouchFlo3D? If it IS just manilla.exe, then why not simply install that new file? OK, I guess there's a bit more to it, but why an entirely new ROM?
Manila isn't only manila.exe file: the UI has more then 1000 files... and it's stable if you flash ROMs.
D'rath
PS: Manila 2.5/6 is a beta version quite slow and sometime freeze (I tried Miri ROM)
OK, sounds reasonable. But how can 2.5 still be beta if there's 2.6?
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I want TF3D version 2.5 for my diamond with original ROM 2.03 WWE!!!!!!Thanks for your help!!!
Yappppp I want it too
..... and I want the euromillion...!
I want Eva Laskaris!!
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I want Eva Laskaris!!
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She is HOT! lol.
when the cab version of the TF2.5 will be available?
What??
Come on guys... the title of this thread states theme [THE]... this is not a theme at all, it's a request [REQ]
PS. While I'm here, I'll add my bit... I WANT IT ALL!!
I will add my voice to this request. While I appreciate the work that the various cooks on this site do (I'm currently using Yozgatg's Gen.Y D2 R4) I would like to have a stock ROM (either 2.03.401.3 or 2.03.405.3) with TF3D 2.1.
I am aware that Yozgatg also has an installation procedure to install TF3D 2.1, but the only problem I've found with it (at least when I do it) is that it takes a phenomenal amount of device RAM! You need to have 20Mb free just to install it, and when I have tried I have been left with about 6Mb free at the end of the procedure. I don't know if this is down to remnants of the original TF3D still being left on the device or what. Compare this to Yozgatg's Gen.Y D2 R4 cooked ROM which, after installing the other odds and sods that I use, still leaves me with about 42Mb free.
Great though the cooked ROMS are, the authors add or take away various components (which is their right, as they are cooking the ROMS to their own needs and then sharing them with the rest of us) e.g. I have flashed a 6.5 ROM before where all the games were missing.
I would really like a stock ROM with an updated TF3D.
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I will add my voice to this request. While I appreciate the work that the various cooks on this site do (I'm currently using Yozgatg's Gen.Y D2 R4) I would like to have a stock ROM (either 2.03.401.3 or 2.03.405.3) with TF3D 2.1.
I am aware that Yozgatg also has an installation procedure to install TF3D 2.1, but the only problem I've found with it (at least when I do it) is that it takes a phenomenal amount of device RAM! You need to have 20Mb free just to install it, and when I have tried I have been left with about 6Mb free at the end of the procedure. I don't know if this is down to remnants of the original TF3D still being left on the device or what. Compare this to Yozgatg's Gen.Y D2 R4 cooked ROM which, after installing the other odds and sods that I use, still leaves me with about 42Mb free.
Great though the cooked ROMS are, the authors add or take away various components (which is their right, as they are cooking the ROMS to their own needs and then sharing them with the rest of us) e.g. I have flashed a 6.5 ROM before where all the games were missing.
I would really like a stock ROM with an updated TF3D.
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I am trying A.Z.T.O.R. ROM final WM6.1 with GEN Y manila 2.1 R1.5..i can tell that i have never seen my Diamond sooo fast and stable (until now) i used mtty to flash i added BWtaskbar that makes also the X button bigger in some apps that helps a lot.The true thing is that i miss WM6.5.1. (Bsb rom i used),but the functionality of the tf3d 2.1 R1.5 is much better for everyday use than Titanium.That's my opinion!
What you're all asking for will never happen.
TF3D 2.5 will never be ported to VGA by HTC so you'll never see a stock ROM with it.
You might be able to install it via cab once XOR have finished porting it but chances are you'll at least need WM6.5 or build 21000 and above. I'd put my money on it that you guys running ROM version 2.03 are not running a build number high enough.
Do some searching before posting too. All these questions have been answered in the TF3D 2.5 VGA thread.
Manila 2.5 will never be availabe as a cab because , there are files which will not fit into 256mb rom (Diamond) , because manila 2.5 would not replace 2.1 , the files are entirely different so additional files need to be added.
I'm using - SUN Y 6.1 - Manila 2.5 Beta 3 by Kisja. Works almost PREFECT. fast and Stable.
Will be more stable with newer release.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=565078
Well, I searched the forum and checked my phone, so pardon me if this has been discussed before.
I'm using the T-Mobile WM 6.5 Stock ROM, version 1.91.531.3 (74508) WWE. Does anyone know how to determine which version of Sense is installed? I'm thinking it may be 2.1 rather than 2.5.
I"m asking because I'm considering installing some of the themes, and I want to download the correct ones.
**UPDATE**
I have found references that say it is 2.1, but I'd still like to know how to find out. The Settings menu "About" only brings up an HTML file in IE, and does not mention any sense version information.
stevedebi said:
Well, I searched the forum and checked my phone, so pardon me if this has been discussed before.
I'm using the T-Mobile WM 6.5 Stock ROM, version 1.91.531.3 (74508) WWE. Does anyone know how to determine which version of Sense is installed? I'm thinking it may be 2.1 rather than 2.5.
I"m asking because I'm considering installing some of the themes, and I want to download the correct ones.
**UPDATE**
I have found references that say it is 2.1, but I'd still like to know how to find out. The Settings menu "About" only brings up an HTML file in IE, and does not mention any sense version information.
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Have you looked at Settings>System>Device Information>Software Information? I'm on a custom rom, so I don't know how it looks on Stock, but it may list Manila version there.
But it is 2.1 -- for sure (on T-Mo USA).
I don't believe that the stock Tmo 6.5 ROM has anywhere that it flat out states "sense 2.x" (or if it does I can't find it anywhere).
However, in system settings you can just choose "about", and there it says that the build is 21881, which is a Sense 2.1 build.
EDIT: and since you're looking at installing some themes, etc, it actually helps to know which exact build you have, since even on 2.1 some of the themes and other visual elements actually work on some 2.1 builds but not others (I've run into this a few times since upgrading to 6.5 this past weekend). It's usually listed in the threads which builds are ok or aren't.
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Have you looked at Settings>System>Device Information>Software Information? I'm on a custom rom, so I don't know how it looks on Stock, but it may list Manila version there.
But it is 2.1 -- for sure (on T-Mo USA).
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There is no "Software Tab", only Hardware.
sirphunkee said:
I don't believe that the stock Tmo 6.5 ROM has anywhere that it flat out states "sense 2.x" (or if it does I can't find it anywhere).
However, in system settings you can just choose "about", and there it says that the build is 21881, which is a Sense 2.1 build.
EDIT: and since you're looking at installing some themes, etc, it actually helps to know which exact build you have, since even on 2.1 some of the themes and other visual elements actually work on some 2.1 builds but not others (I've run into this a few times since upgrading to 6.5 this past weekend). It's usually listed in the threads which builds are ok or aren't.
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Thanks for the information, it is 21881. I just noticed in the ROM thread that the ROM shipped in August of 2009 had a later version of WM than my "upgrade" OS dated 19 Dec 09. That is very strange. Also, that August version had a different type of Sense; evidently the settings tab actually showed the Sense version.
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Thanks for the information, it is 21881. I just noticed in the ROM thread that the ROM shipped in August of 2009 had a later version of WM than my "upgrade" OS dated 19 Dec 09. That is very strange. Also, that August version had a different type of Sense; evidently the settings tab actually showed the Sense version.
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If it's the T-mobile ROM you're talking about, the one "shipped" back in Aug was the originial WM 6.1 ROM that came on all T-mobile TP2's, before the 6.5 upgrade showed up. That 6.1 ROM didn't have sense on it at all actually, it had what was known as "TF3D 2.1"...which does cause a lot of confusion with sense 2.1. The version numbers assigned to the builds don't always increase over time the way you might suspect, so it could look like that previous version is a "later" build if you just look at the build numbers.
Oh, and yes, in that 6.1 ROM (which I was running up until this past weekend), the TF3D version was listed right on the "settings" tab....no idea why it's not there anymore.
Been trying to figure out my Sense version as I have had problems with HDWall and Facebook tab and others.
This thread has some of the information I need and now tells me that I do not have Sense 2.1.
I have a Touch Pro 2 running: TF3D: CE OS 5.2.21854 (21854.5.0.80).
If sense 2.1 = 21881 what is 21854?
And how can I upgrade it? is it possible to upgrade without using a ROM?
Cheers for your help
G
grymcent said:
Been trying to figure out my Sense version as I have had problems with HDWall and Facebook tab and others.
This thread has some of the information I need and now tells me that I do not have Sense 2.1.
I have a Touch Pro 2 running: TF3D: CE OS 5.2.21854 (21854.5.0.80).
If sense 2.1 = 21881 what is 21854?
And how can I upgrade it? is it possible to upgrade without using a ROM?
Cheers for your help
G
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No, the "21854" is the Windows build number, that is separate from sense. However I discovered that the easiest way to tell 2.1 from w.5 is that 2.5 has shortcuts on the home tab; boxes with a "+" mark, that you can assign to shortcuts.
If you are running US Tmobile, there is an upgrade to WM 6.5 and Sense 2.1. I'm not sure about other carriers. Or you can flash a ROM...
grymcent said:
Been trying to figure out my Sense version as I have had problems with HDWall and Facebook tab and others.
This thread has some of the information I need and now tells me that I do not have Sense 2.1.
I have a Touch Pro 2 running: TF3D: CE OS 5.2.21854 (21854.5.0.80).
If sense 2.1 = 21881 what is 21854?
And how can I upgrade it? is it possible to upgrade without using a ROM?
Cheers for your help
G
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According to the list of stock roms in the wiki, 21854 is a WM 6.5 build that was distributed by most every carrier in europe, so I would also presume that it already has sense 2.1. Is there Weather in your home clock? The last manila version prior to sense 2.1 was tf3d 2.1, which I don't think you have, and it's easy to spot due to it's lack of weather on the home tab.
sirphunkee said:
According to the list of stock roms in the wiki, 21854 is a WM 6.5 build that was distributed by most every carrier in europe, so I would also presume that it already has sense 2.1. Is there Weather in your home clock? The last manila version prior to sense 2.1 was tf3d 2.1, which I don't think you have, and it's easy to spot due to it's lack of weather on the home tab.
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I do not have weather on the Home Tab. it has a Tab on TF3D but the Home Tab just has the flip clock call history/calendar list.
So it sounds like I have a lower version of Sense? and the only way to change that is ROM upgrade right?
Cheers
G
grymcent said:
I do not have weather on the Home Tab. it has a Tab on TF3D but the Home Tab just has the flip clock call history/calendar list.
So it sounds like I have a lower version of Sense? and the only way to change that is ROM upgrade right?
Cheers
G
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yes, that's TouchFlo3D 2.1, the last thing that Manila was before it became sense, and there's nowhere near the options for it that exist with Sense 2.1 etc.
Generally the only way to upgrade your sense version is to flash a rom that has it on there. There is some experimentation going on with a cab version of Sense 2.5, you can read about it starting with post #9 in THIS thread...but they're trying to upgrade from Sense 2.1 to 2.5, I have no idea if it'll work at all going from TF3D to Sense 2.5.
i really like this app but i'm afraid it might mess up my flo3d or other stuff, has anyone tried this on there tilt2 yet?
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-co0kies-home-tab.html
thanks in advance...
I tried it on my Sense 2.5, its amazing! Must have! Off course, with Editor!
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i really like this app but i'm afraid it might mess up my flo3d or other stuff, has anyone tried this on there tilt2 yet?
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-co0kies-home-tab.html
thanks in advance...
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It only applies to Sense 2.5. Which ROM are you using, and which Sense version?
apax said:
i really like this app but i'm afraid it might mess up my flo3d or other stuff, has anyone tried this on there tilt2 yet?
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-co0kies-home-tab.html
thanks in advance...
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Its "home" is a thread about it here on XDA, in the HD2 forum:
Co0kie's Home Tab.
I've been using previous versions for a couple of months and luv it...this latest one is a huge feature-upgrade -- really great. I won't run my phone without it now.
But, yes, you have to be running Sense 2.5. I've experienced no downside, only benefit, using this.
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Its "home" is a thread about it here on XDA, in the HD2 forum:
Co0kie's Home Tab.
I've been using previous versions for a couple of months and luv it...this latest one is a huge feature-upgrade -- really great. I won't run my phone without it now.
But, yes, you have to be running Sense 2.5. I've experienced no downside, only benefit, using this.
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I've been tempted to flash my ROM, but it really doesn't make any difference. I like SPB Mobile Shell so much that I just don't think I'd like any Sense version. But the main reason I WOULD consider flashing is to get that Cookie version with 2.5. It is as close as it comes to Mobile Shell.
The other reason I don't flash is that everything on my phone is working, and I think that a stock ROM is more likely to be stable than a cooked ROM. If I have any problems I may well change my mind.
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It only applies to Sense 2.5. Which ROM are you using, and which Sense version?
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i have the stock rom 1.59.502.3 (67150) WWE and where do i find what version my sense is?
i looked under my setting>about>version = it says:
windows modbile 6.5 professional
CE OS 5.2.21849 (Build 21849.5.0.63)
im also installed iphonetoday and spb mobile shell 3.5.3 and have touchflo3D (that came with the phone)
apax said:
i have the stock rom 1.59.502.3 (67150) WWE and where do i find what version my sense is?
i looked under my setting>about>version = it says:
windows modbile 6.5 professional
CE OS 5.2.21849 (Build 21849.5.0.63)
im also installed iphonetoday and spb mobile shell 3.5.3 and have touchflo3D (that came with the phone)
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Find yourself a appropriate official stock rom for upgrade to Sense 2.5, rom 2.xxxxx (for your region), download, install, hard reset, install Cookie`s and you`re gonna rock! If you gonna flash custom rom, don`t forget HardSpl!
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Find yourself a appropriate official stock rom for upgrade to Sense 2.5, rom 2.xxxxx (for your region), download, install, hard reset, install Cookie`s and you`re gonna rock! If you gonna flash custom rom, don`t forget HardSpl!
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apax said:
i have the stock rom 1.59.502.3 (67150) WWE and where do i find what version my sense is?
i looked under my setting>about>version = it says:
windows modbile 6.5 professional
CE OS 5.2.21849 (Build 21849.5.0.63)
im also installed iphonetoday and spb mobile shell 3.5.3 and have touchflo3D (that came with the phone)
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okay, it seems like in order to get this app, i need to flash my rom, i looked at the (Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development section), i read a couple of pages in there, and it seems like this ROM are unstable....is it really worth it to get the cooke app or should i just keep the stock TF3D and iphonetoday and mobile shell 3.5.3? since my stock ROM is flawless...(afraid to flash...)
apax said:
okay, it seems like in order to get this app, i need to flash my rom, i looked at the (Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development section), i read a couple of pages in there, and it seems like this ROM are unstable....is it really worth it to get the cooke app or should i just keep the stock TF3D and iphonetoday and mobile shell 3.5.3? since my stock ROM is flawless...(afraid to flash...)
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I have found that most of the cooked ROMs with Sense 2.5 are actually more stable than stock ROMs. Doring a brief lapse in judgement I decided to flash the updated stock T-Mobile ROM and the speed and unstability almost made me want to smash my phone with a tack hammer. Then I remembered there was a saving grace- the awesome cooked ROMs here. The best advice is to try one...if you end up not liking it you can always go back to stock.
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I have found that most of the cooked ROMs with Sense 2.5 are actually more stable than stock ROMs. Doring a brief lapse in judgement I decided to flash the updated stock T-Mobile ROM and the speed and unstability almost made me want to smash my phone with a tack hammer. Then I remembered there was a saving grace- the awesome cooked ROMs here. The best advice is to try one...if you end up not liking it you can always go back to stock.
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I too flashed the (US) Tmobile ROM updated of Jan 2010. At first it was too slow, but after a lot of tweaking it is now fast and very stable. Actually I have had the same experience with all the HTC devices I've owned. I had a Magician that I flashed, a P3470 stock HTC, and now my TP 2 T-Mobile. In each case I had to massage the unit until it was just right, and in each case it was faster and more stable after about 3-4 weeks. I think that part of it was my tweaks, and part was my learning how the ROM operates.
I would recommend that anyone flashing a ROM consider keeping it for at least a couple of weeks before giving up on it.
apax said:
i have the stock rom 1.59.502.3 (67150) WWE and where do i find what version my sense is?
i looked under my setting>about>version = it says:
windows modbile 6.5 professional
CE OS 5.2.21849 (Build 21849.5.0.63)
im also installed iphonetoday and spb mobile shell 3.5.3 and have touchflo3D (that came with the phone)
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You need to go to the settings for the today screen and turn off all the plug-ins. One of them will be named sense. There is no point in having both Sense and mobile shell.
When running sense, you can tell the version by the home screen. If there are shortcuts under the weather icon, then you have 2.5; otherwise it is 2.1.
If you really want your TP2 to rock, I recommend Vostradamus add ons:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=574264
and there is a really cool Mobile Shell theme that looks and functions like the upcoming Windows 7 for Mobile:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649362
New to Tilt 2 - Want Co0kie's Home Tab
Hi guys,
I'm new to the Tilt 2, but not new to the forum. Recently, I had changed to the HTC PURE (courtesy of AT&T's free upgrade), but I couldn't get the Bluetooth to initiate calls from my car. After 2 weeks of struggling with stock and cooked ROMs, different radios and a plethora of other flashes, I finally went to my final option. (Hyundai told me that the Tilt phone was compatible with their Bluetooth.) I took a chance and after much pleading and negotiating, I was able to get a Tilt 2 for no charge in exchange for my new PURE. Right out of the box, it works perfectly with my Hyundai Genesis Coupe. But now, my next dilemna is what to do about the apps and functions on the phone. I have been a loyal follower of TAEL and NRG's ROMs. NRG recently built-in the Co0kie's Home Tab into his latest ROMs. I'm worried that if I flash a new cooked ROM, then the Bluetooth may no longer work. However, if I can at least get the Co0kie's Home Tab, I might be able to live with it all. However, I have noticed that the Co0kie's Home Tab works with Sense 2.5. I don't think that my out of the box Tilt 2 has that. Can anyone assist me in determining what I do and don't have access to? Also, if anyone else has had the Hyundai problem, I would be grateful to hear how they dealt with it.
Maraming salamat,
Miguel
I'm still running the stock AT&T rom on my tilt 2 and the version of touchflo 3d that I have is 2.1.19183217.0
anyways I would like to use cookies home tab mainly so i can customize the walpaper for all of the touch flo screens, and not just the home tab. but it requires version 2.5 and I haven't seen anything about updating the sense version. I'd rather not go through the trouble of flashing a new rom if i don't have to. or if there is another program that would work for version 2.1 that would be fine too.
To get Sense 2.5, you must have a rom flashed to your phone that has it preinstalled. There is no upgrading Manila without flashing a new rom.
Well not sure if you can "upgrade" manila to 2.5 or if you'd need to uninstall (?) it but here is a link to a cab that is manila 2.5.
http://www.freeza-inc.com/freezaROM/OEMCAB/fi. Sense - 2.5.2011.3030 for WM6.1 beta.cab
And here is a link to a lot of different files that you might find interesting.
http://www.freeza-inc.com/freezaROM/OEMCAB/
Use HDWalls, if all you want is to have the same background in all tabs. You don't need Sense 2.5/Co0kie's for that.
Hi!
Im using the rom Besfen released (the wm 6.5 one) which has manila TF2d 1.2
I wanted to upgrade to manila 2d 2.0 but dont know how to. So please help me out here!
there is no way to upgrade your manila unless the ROM has the required dependancies cooked in...but even then you would lose a lot of space on your phone memory while installing 2.0 and might even face inter-compatibility issues...
i suggest flashing a ROMs with manila 2.0 cooked in it...go through the ROM development section to find one that you like...
Hi thanks for the info......well actually i tried finding a good rom with manila 2.0 and was unsuccessful...then i thought, why not wait a little more for karanz new rom (the v8).
If you can suggest any good rom with the new manilla in it or if there is any way to get the flipping clock(the actual flipping one ) somehow because thats all i want from the new manila
i don't think karan's V8 is gonna have manila in it...last i read was that he was planning on releasing a clean ROM coz he wanted to focus on performance and not the looks...
if its a ROM you want then you could try karan's V7 or my own Psychocynicystic ROM coz i felt they performed fairly well...both have manila 2.0...nedalll's rom also has manila but i think it was 1.2...
(and now for a bit of shameless self-publicity)
or you could download my latest Dark Water ROM and install manila 2.0 with nice skin built in from pin12's thread (i've confirmed it to work myself)
and if its only the flipping clock you want...you could download a plugin for titanium but it still isn't as smooth and graphically well presented as having the actual manila flip clock...
ooooh didnt see that your rom also had manila 2.0 :3 gonna try it out now