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Bricked/Blind/Barely alive magic, no recovery screen (SPL ****up) any suggestions?

Hi
similar to an other thread here if tried to change my SPL
and never recovered.
I can still get the blue led going using TrackBall + EndCall buttons.
The orange led lights up when I connect the usb cable.
But I cannot see it from the pc in any way (adb/fastboot).
there is some life in it but not a lot, have not seen the screen light
up at all.
Would it be possible to get a new bootloader/spl on it? Perhaps using
some kind of automatic update mechanism that is build in using an
update.zip file on the sd card?
Any help is more than welcome.
abe

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hmm, post needs al least 10 chars... should be enough now...
Has everyone also drawn a blank on this?
abe

Try downloading the ruu from your phone's official reseller.

T-Mobile USA standard OS.
Assuming that you backed up using Nandroid or something to SAVE and STORE your originally packaged Android 1.5 (Cupcake) version from T-Mobile...you NEED to restore that properly using a recovery image. Amon_RA has a great one, so does Cyanogen, obviously by now I'm sure you're aware. But keep in mind, to get back to that state...you must be careful not to alter any necessary files on that standard OS.
Do some Google searching and try to track down a Cupcake 1.5 download from one of those sites that leaked it or something. That's your best bet. Right now you don't need to be worried about continuing on from where you are. You need to backtrack and begin anew.

Sorry to hear that. I was thinking of installing Haykuro Apps to SD ROM and it needs to change the SPL. But I think not worth taking a risk.
Can you tell a little bit more which ROM were you planning to install?
Which SPL did you update to?
Which ROM did you have at the time of SPL update?
Which thread or instructions did you follow if any?

Hi
@mrjunix
I have a google ion, and therefore cannot return it unfortunately to the
carrier, as there was none. I went to the Google IO conference but
I am back in Europe and there is not support here.
btw what do you mean by RRU??
@Reignzone
I do have a nandroid backup but I cannot get back into recovery mode,
or fastboot mode or anything... the pc does not recognize it either.
@technicolor
I installed the Cyanogen recovery image and was able to install
one of his rom's. It worked fine but then I wanted to install
a Hero rom and I wanted to update the SPL.
Used the cyanogen recovery to update the spl using an update.zip
file. the phone restarted the "android" update screen came on
briefly and it never came back on...
changing the recovery rom should not be an issue,
and normally I think you do not need to flash your spl at all any more.
you can do a lot with the fastboot mode and one of the recovery roms
mentioned by Reignzone
abe

Reignzone said:
Assuming that you backed up using Nandroid or something to SAVE and STORE your originally packaged Android 1.5 (Cupcake) version from T-Mobile...you NEED to restore that properly using a recovery image. Amon_RA has a great one, so does Cyanogen, obviously by now I'm sure you're aware. But keep in mind, to get back to that state...you must be careful not to alter any necessary files on that standard OS.
Do some Google searching and try to track down a Cupcake 1.5 download from one of those sites that leaked it or something. That's your best bet. Right now you don't need to be worried about continuing on from where you are. You need to backtrack and begin anew.
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This is the same advise you gave me yesterday on my bricked MT3G, but if you can't enter recovery mode, a nandroid backup ain't gonna help much, is it?
Also, any cupcake downloads are not going to help either, if you can't fastboot or enter recovery.
I appreciate you trying to help, but if you pay attention to the OP (and my own post), you'll see that your advise isn't going to solve anything.

For starters:
My advice to have those of you who are in need to take an approach that allows you to backtrack you work. Perhaps you left out various details of your issue or process taken in order to end up where you're at.
Your bitterness isn't appreciated for my having misread the problem.
YOU are the one with the F***** device, not me.
Anyway, all that aside; you might try to read-up on various threads that could be of some help. Google search, HTC support, ADB, etc.
There's always something to be done.
Good luck.

abeman said:
Hi
@mrjunix
I have a google ion, and therefore cannot return it unfortunately to the
carrier, as there was none. I went to the Google IO conference but
I am back in Europe and there is not support here.
btw what do you mean by RRU??
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forum puffering aside, RUU is ROM Upgrade Utility
Prepackaged programs that bypass the phone's software altogether to reflash the rom
My carrier is Rogers of Canada and I have their "HTC Magic" phone
Be warned that Rogers is intentionally altering their hboot to disable system changes, you may not be able to cook your os after using this rom update.
Their updates page
https://your.rogers.com/web_auth/techsupport.asp
has the update
http://downloads.rogers.com/wireless/products/htc/magic/RUU_Sapphire_Rogers_WWE_2.17.631.2_release_signed_NoDriver.exe

making a comlete backup copy of my phone

hey all, sorry if this has already been discussed but I searched and didnt find anything.
I'm new to the rooting stuff, had my mt3g for a month now, rooted and installed cyanogen 3 days ago and it looks like ive got ROM fever haha. I want to try out a hero rom but i want to make a complete backup image of my phone, apps and all, so if i dont like the Hero performance i can just flash back like nothing ever happened.
is this possible? or do i just have to reflash CM and reinstall all apps? thank you!
also, any tips or hints for a noob rooter before I flash a hero rom?
thank all you for your help!

I would like to know this as well... I did the one click root and have been running CM ever since. Even though I would like to try out new roms I'm too scared of messing up. I'm currently running CM 4.2.2. on MT3G and would love to try new roms just to explore even though I'm really happy with CM.
Is a nandroid back/restore enough if something goes wrong?

You need switchrom.sh - try searching in the dream forum for more details!
It is on Amon_RA's latest recovery image. Basically connect usb, boot into recovery, do an 'adb shell' and type switchrom in the shell, and follow the instructions. It uses nandroid AND backs up any ext partition, and gives an easy path back if you need to restore. Very handy if you hop between roms a lot!

Custom Rom Advice

I've been lurking in this forum for a while now, and given HTC's "We're not updating the Hero until we've milked the market for every last Desire/Legend upgrade" stance, I've decided to take the plunge and put a custom ROM on my unbranded GSM Hero.
There's just a few questions I wanted to ask before I go ahead, and was hoping some of you would be kind enough to help:
1) If I install a custom ROM, is it possible to go back to factory state? I know some of the FAQ's say its possible to go back to the stock ROM, but does that mean EVERYTHING returns to stock? I know this is apples and oranges but when I flashed a couple of PSP's you have a recovery mode at startup, is anything like this left behind when returning to stock?
2) Is it possible to brick my phone? If so, is it recoverable?
3) Can anyone recommend a fast, stable ROM? I was interested in Damage Control but obviously thats for CDMA Hero's not GSM.
4) I see a lot of people with quite complex issues like radio frequencies and battery problems, what are the odds of having something like that happen? Is it quite rare? Also are radio flashes undone by returning to stock?
Thanks for your time guys, I'll be updating here with my progress/Issues later this evening

Arceon said:
There's just a few questions I wanted to ask before I go ahead, and was hoping some of you would be kind enough to help,.....
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1) If I install a custom ROM, is it possible to go back to factory state? I know some of the FAQ's say its possible to go back to the stock ROM, but does that mean EVERYTHING returns to stock? I know this is apples and oranges but when I flashed a couple of PSP's you have a recovery mode at startup, is anything like this left behind when returning to stock?
- Yes, you can return back to stock state. You are correct, we do use a 'custom recovery console' to flash custom ROMs but this is easily removed by applying one of the official RUU .exe files found at Official HTC Hero RUU ROM Links. Connect phone to PC, run .exe, DONE!
2) Is it possible to brick my phone? If so, is it recoverable?
- I personally have only heard of people bricking handsets when, (1) Installing CDMA ROMs onto GSM handsets (you already know the difference so this shouldn't be a problem now), (2) Interrupting the radio update process (when applying update, phone may reboot a few times, do not touch untill you get the lockbar to pull down to unlock).
Iv had mine for about 3 months now and started as a complete noob but my phone is still living.
3) Can anyone recommend a fast, stable ROM? I was interested in Damage Control but obviously thats for CDMA Hero's not GSM.
- Im using MCR3.2 since day one, its fast and stable, what more could I ask for (apart from android 2.1).
4) I see a lot of people with quite complex issues like radio frequencies and battery problems, what are the odds of having something like that happen? Is it quite rare? Also are radio flashes undone by returning to stock?
- I assume its quite rare, again, Ive had no issues whatsoever. I dont know if running the RUU .exe will roll back to a previous radio or not but you can manually rollback, just use the radio update.zip first, then run the .exe if you need to.
One thing I would recomend,... Make sure you'v charged your battery 100% via the mains adapter (not usb through PC) when applying the custom ROM.

ruu contains a radio upgrade. or downgrade, depends on what you have installed and what ruu you are attempting to install.
you can brick your hero by flashing either a wrong radio or a wrong spl, or by flashing the correct ones of either and interrupt it during flashing.
if it was recoverable it wouldn't be bricked, the definition of "bricked" is that it serves the same purpose as a brick. however in most cases there is the possibility of reviving it via jtag, which is a highly complicated process that involves opening the phone and manipulating with the components directly (you could say "solder in a new processor" to express it in laymans' terms). so usually not worth the effort.

@ddotpatel
Thanks for clearing all that up for me
One thing though, with the official RUU files you linked, do you always just pick the latest one? Also do I need to worry about the "No Driver" description, or is it just run and done?
@kendong2
What would consitute a "wrong radio"? Are they not region-free? Or do you mean if I install a lower version than the one I already have? Also I guess seeing as I don't know what an SPL is I don't need to worry about it?
As for the Bricked term, yes your right. Its just coming from the PSP scene they use the term bricked to describe when the firmware will no longer boot, but the hacked in recovery console will. Bad habits and all that

I dont think the nodriver thing is anything to worry about.
Check the ROM your currently on through the settings menu so you know which one to go back to should you need to. I suppose it would look odd if you tried to return a handset for repair and it had an older ROM than the one it shipped with.
If you use this link HTC Hero Radio ROM Links you will be fine. They aren't region specific, I just used the latest one.
I think what Kendong meant was to make sure its for the GSM Hero not CDMA.
And SPL is the ROM I think, so again, as long as its GSM you're good to go!

Thanks ddotpatel
One last question, on the Recovery ROM thread linked to in the "Complete Newbie Guide" it says in rather large red writing "This recovery is NOT yet fully compatible with the new apps2sd method!".
Does this mean if I install A2SD as in the newb guide it will cause issues/break?

Arceon said:
Thanks ddotpatel
One last question, on the Recovery ROM thread linked to in the "Complete Newbie Guide" it says in rather large red writing "This recovery is NOT yet fully compatible with the new apps2sd method!".
Does this mean if I install A2SD as in the newb guide it will cause issues/break?
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No, no,... If you follow the instructions in BTDAG's guide to setup apps2sd all will be ok.
The warning is referring to CM5.0.7 which I think is a HTC Dream / G1 ROM so that doesn't affect us guys.

Oh good, bid red text has a tendancy to put me off somewhat!
I've plumped for SLIDEVILLAIN 1.1.0 RC, and have a shiny new 8GB class 6 card on the way, should help with the craving to upgrade to a new phone for a while
Thanks for all your help, I'm sure you'll see more threads from me in the not to idstant future

Arceon said:
Oh good, bid red text has a tendancy to put me off somewhat!
I've plumped for SLIDEVILLAIN 1.1.0 RC, and have a shiny new 8GB class 6 card on the way, should help with the craving to upgrade to a new phone for a while
Thanks for all your help, I'm sure you'll see more threads from me in the not to idstant future
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Don't suppose you could send me a link of the memory card you'v ordered,... I think I'm gona start researching prices, speeds etc and get a new one myself.
Best I found so far was an 8gig Class 6 Transcend for £14 off Amazon but it doesn't state read/write speeds so am a bit reluctant.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Transcend-m...USDHC6/dp/B001IAMME8/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
Yeah, Iv had mine 3 months, initially bought as a temp handset to replace my Nokia 5800. Was planning to sell it on again this month and get myself a Desire for my birthday. But you know what,... I'm still really really happy with it. I think I'll be keeping it for another 6 months or so, at least until we get something similar to the HTC Evo 4G or the HTC Incredible in the uk.

I ended up ordering the Samsung one:
Urgh I can't post links, search for "Samsung 8GB Micro SD PLUS memory card Class 6" on Amazon
The read write speeds are in the comments, but to be honest I didn't pay that much attention to them knowing that the class 4 was the recommended speed and that class 6 is 50% faster.
Pretty much the same here, I was happy with it until the boss ordered a Desire and I had to set it up for him. The screen size combined with 2.1 was seriously making me consider one, but I realised if I could just have 2.1 I could hold out another few months.
And yes the Evo is awesome, can't wait for something like that over here, If it doesn't come then I'll be holding out for Froyo instead

SPL is the secondary program loader. Think of it as the bootloader. You don't need to touch it unless you want to replace the initial static bootscreen image.

[Q] How to Restore factory for Aria?

I have looked for a weeks about how to root/update 2.2 rom for Aria here, that help a lot, thanks.
Now I got a question, and please correct me if I'm wrong. Once I "unrevoked", the boot part of the phone is already changed, so I cannot just flash back a original rom from recovery mode, is that right?
Second, I found that there is a Aria official rom for download, but my Aria is not AT&T one, so that one may not work for me - mine is an Asia version, no AT&T apps by default.
Any method that I can do something like "dd over usb" for backing up my Aria?

there is the old way of running clockwork without installing it. If you run a nandroid backup BEFORE you flash clockwork with reflash, then you will back up everything that is changed when you flash clockwork and root the original ROM, BEFORE any changes are made.
Once ONE person with this version ARIA does this and gets that nandroid backup to me (without the data image - I don't want that and you don't want me to have it) then I can work on a restore procedure for the Non-branded HTC Aria.
We are in the IRC channel in my signature line and have helped many people do this before unrevoked's reflash made it so much easier to root and flash custom recovery. I'd really like to do that once more so that we can put together a procedure to restore the Non-branded version.

Once ONE person with this version ARIA does this and gets that nandroid backup to me (without the data image - I don't want that and you don't want me to have it) then I can work on a restore procedure for the Non-branded HTC Aria.
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I'm not sure, but if I remember right, we talking some words, from this procedures in IRC channel. Till I can't connect the IRC channel (because corporate security ), but if you send a PM, we can talking from backup (I'm new in Android phones) and untouched asian ROM restore procedures...
I waiting your answer...
(sorry, english is not my native languages)

Questions Re: Android and Win Mo?

Gday all im a bit lost in the android forums so im just going to do a noob thing and ask for some assistance, thanks.
I just installed the "[30 DEC][DFT]LEO "Stock Desire" NAND Android ROM" rom over top of my last rom from WINMO, which was the Energy jan 6 rom.
I also installed the latest Radio "Radio_Leo_2.15.50.14" and HSPL3 along with "MAGLDR112" everything went sweet upon install, so i have no real questions regarding that but im wondering how i can boot back into WINMO if its possible?
If i reboot the phone it just auto loads into Android.
Also i would like to know what the best Android rom is for reliability and secondly how would i update the roms as new version are released?
I think thats about it for now, the rom in currently using feels smooth and great the apps work fine but it feels a little locked down compared to the WINMO but it hasnt crashed on me in the past day which WINMO would have by now, lol.

To flash back winmo, simply go into bootloader/tri color screen. This is done by holding vol down, then powering up.
I'm not going to answer which is the "best" android rom, as that has been asked many times, where there are many answers for, so, search it up.
Updating differs. If it uses daf.exe/install.exe, it's that same as how you flashed android for the first time, however sometimes you can't retain your settings. Clockwork mod flashing however, is unbeknown to me, haven't tried it yet, sorry.

Thanks for that, so what would i need to do to backup my settings and info on the Android just incase i reinstall it just say?
Also if i back to the bootloader would that mean ill have to reinstall a winmo rom?
Then if so would it only boot into WINMO and not android?
Secondly how would i be able to reboot into android again?
I guess im asking is there a way to dual boot and whats the best way about doing it?

gamecore said:
Thanks for that, so what would i need to do to backup my settings and info on the Android just incase i reinstall it just say?
Also if i back to the bootloader would that mean ill have to reinstall a winmo rom?
Then if so would it only boot into WINMO and not android?
Secondly how would i be able to reboot into android again?
I guess im asking is there a way to dual boot and whats the best way about doing it?
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r u being jackass?u have to flash stock wm rom first.ok then u can flash any custom rom.
ok use titenium backup to backup ur android settings abd appp..
ok and after winmo if u want dual boot u have to install sd android build to ur sd card

Why would i want to be a jackass?
Yeah i come on here to troll these forums to post noob questions for ****s and giggles, are you such a person who angers over someone who clearly doesnt know what he is doing and yet you think im being a jackass (god i hate that word, lol never used down here though).
I hope i clearly posted im the OP on how and what i installed but now im lost, i have android working fine but i dont know how to back any data up just incase i do an update or even flash back to stock rom and maybe come back to android later and hope to reuse the backed up data from the android rom.
It took me about a year to get used to WINMO and learning how to install a custom rom on it but now i thought i give android a go and i managed to follow the steps without any issues (yes there were a few more steps i needed to do than i did need to do for a custom rom for WINMO) but now that i have it running i just want to know what to do to get WINMO back on and preferably getting WINMO and android working side by side.
I know how to flash custom roms in WINMO but im just wondering if there was a way for me to be able to boot back into winmo while i have android installed, all i want is to be pointed into the right direction or shown a link to a walkthrough or just given a point form reply as to the process on what and what not ill be able to keep and the best way in doing so.
So from your reply i gather ill need to install android to my SDcard and not the phone memory in order to run WINMO and Android together am i correct?
If so then because i use the ENERGY ROMS i can boot to android from within the ENERGY ROM, am i correct? i think NRG did something with android in his roms.
I am really sorry if i have upset anyone (above) but i am really lost with this, yes i pretty much understood custom roms in WINMO but with this i just did it spontaneously VERY VERY late last night and i wasnt thinking straight i just gave it a shot, so i put myself in the deep end and now im very confused with getting it back to normal as such thats all.
Worst case would i just be able to reformat the SD and then boot to 4 colour screen and just do my custom WINMO install as per usual or would i have to install the stock rom back then install the custom rom?

First of all, ignore the "jackass" above. That was just plain rude and he made himself look like a total idiot.
Secondly, if you want to backup your current Android setup, get Titanium Backup from the market. There's a batch job (click menu, batch jobs) that backs up all your apps & data and system settings. It backs it up to your SD card though, so be aware of that if you're thinking of formatting it for any reason.
Next, get the WM6.5 ROM that you want to flash (doesn't have to be a stock one). Enter the bootloader (tri-colour screen) and flash your WM ROM as normal.
Finally, when you flash a ROM onto your phone, that becomes the only OS on there. You can't switch between Android NAND and WM without flashing. You can, however, run Android from your SD card. There's a forum dedicated to that here...
HD2 Android SD Development
There's lots of info in there on how to do it, but it's basically unzip a file, copy the contents to your SD card, run 2 apps. You'll probably want to go down the route of a bootloader (not really) that runs in Windows. It lets you select Windows or Android when you reboot. They too can be found in that same forum.
That's the only way you can switch between Windows and Android on a regular basis, without flashing a new ROM.
Hope this helps

Thank you very much it has cleared allot up for me, now i know that because i flashed android on the phone its the only OS i can use, i didnt know that TBH.
So yes thanks again and ill do it the SD way and try my luck with that.
One more small thing, how do i go with updating the current android rom im using (if it were to be updated), does it work in a similar process as WINMO custom roms and their updates?
Again i much appreciate the reply, it has helped already.

gamecore said:
Thank you very much it has cleared allot up for me, now i know that because i flashed android on the phone its the only OS i can use, i didnt know that TBH.
So yes thanks again and ill do it the SD way and try my luck with that.
One more small thing, how do i go with updating the current android rom im using (if it were to be updated), does it work in a similar process as WINMO custom roms and their updates?
Again i much appreciate the reply, it has helped already.
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Generally, you flash an updated ROM the same way you flash the original ROM. There are backup options like Titanium Backup or ClockWork Mod (if the ROM supports it), so you can get everything back up and running again.