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whos pissed about the telus price for hero!?

well, when the hero came out, i did not know that teles was getting a gsm network, so i convinced myself that i would switch to rogers. I found the hero for $580, originally, and it came to around $605 with shipping, +taxes..
when it got to the door i had a $140 COD! that pissed me off, but it was still the cheapest i could have gotn the phone it came to around 800 canadian..
well now telus has launched the gsm network, and there selling the hero for 500$ canadian! urghh! i could have saved like $200!
is there any fault on my part?
or do you think this was just very un lucky?
ps will i be able to go prepaid on a telus sim card?
** edit, how much do unlocked phones go up in price by? mine is unlocked..and i dont think we will have a way of unlocking telus phones for a while??

For electronic equipment, you cannot compare the price 3-4 months ago to the price today. You did get to enjoy using the Hero for the last couple of months, didn't you?

I think I heard my tortoise yesterday moaning about the telus price... so he is...

uhh
Unfortunately, I borowed the money from my rents so the deal was once I get a job to start paying them back I could get set up on a carrier... never got job :l although the hero works as an amazing ipod touch replacement! Lol

Apparently my tortoise, after going on a major rage spree, has calmed down and doesn't care about this any more. But tell that to the 94 people that are missing arms and legs now.

xsirhc6x said:
well, when the hero came out, i did not know that teles was getting a gsm network, so i convinced myself that i would switch to rogers. I found the hero for $580, originally, and it came to around $605 with shipping, +taxes..
when it got to the door i had a $140 COD! that pissed me off, but it was still the cheapest i could have gotn the phone it came to around 800 canadian..
well now telus has launched the gsm network, and there selling the hero for 500$ canadian! urghh! i could have saved like $200!
is there any fault on my part?
or do you think this was just very un lucky?
ps will i be able to go prepaid on a telus sim card?
** edit, how much do unlocked phones go up in price by? mine is unlocked..and i dont think we will have a way of unlocking telus phones for a while??
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You can get pay-as-you-go on Telus hspa. First you have to buy a Telus sim and an activation kit, then you can activate on line. I would change to Telus, their new network destroys rogers. Sell your european Hero on ebay, you should get like $500 USD or so...

cant i just use my european hero on telus? im getting pre paid auto top up and dont care about 3g

ya u can use ur euro hero i'm sure it's quad band...

xsirhc6x said:
Unfortunately, I borowed the money from my rents so the deal was once I get a job to start paying them back I could get set up on a carrier... never got job :l although the hero works as an amazing ipod touch replacement! Lol
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why would you borrow 600 dollars for a smartphone when you have no job? expensive toy...

It's not too difficult to see why the credit crunch happened.

T9193 Economics Class - Your thoughts?

I was watching with interest to see what effect the T-Mobile introduction would have on the price position of the T9193. New/sealed prices the last few weeks have been in the 750 to 1000 US$ range with shipping from outside US. Yesterday two sold on Ebay for under 600 US$ with shipping from within the US (no warranty mentioned). These were "official" AU T9193's according to the seller.
The price pressure of the T-Mobile unit at 100 to 200 US$ is considerable. Anyone have any thought on where this is going? Economically speaking.

My only thing is this. You get the 200 dollar deal at Tmobile US with contract only right? To get one without contract is closer to $500 i believe it is $475 or something.
I purchased a 9193 off ebay for 400 w/ broken digi.
Just some more input for the class.
The tradeoffs of 9193 vs Tmobile US version
9193 Pros
- It's going to already be unlocked to any GSM
- Get 3G unlike 8525 euro model
- A little more rom in comparison to 8525 euro model
9193 Cons
- 3G only on 850 band
T-Mobile USA Pros
- Twice the rom capacity as 9193 and 8525
- Usually found at least $100 cheaper than 9193
- 3G Forreal!
T-Mobile USA Cons
- T-Mobile bloatware, most download new ROM, this is a risk for some
- Locked to T-Mobile network/carrier, stuck with their slow ass
- To get for $200 you must buy T-Mo contract, booo
I tend to lean to the 9193, but that extra ROM in the tmo + full 3g makes tmobile usa version look good. But I gotta get the thing unlocked somehow if I get one, I can't be on that nasty network!
Another thing to consider is that you are going to have a hard time getting manufacture repairs if you live in US and own a Telestra 9193. Something to consider. I order parts, but most don't.

Wow, Class just got a lot smarter with that reply!
Throwing the Amazon and Wirefly 100 $US price in there adds to the T-Mobile side of he equation.
The under 600 $US price has me baffled. They are more than that on the street in AU. Was it a dump by a hoarder in anticipation of the price falling further? Are there some coming into the US from somewhere else that are less expensive than in AU?
Where are the AU models actually made? Could someone be shipping from there and skipping the middle man? This is an open class. Speculation and rumors accepted.

Another thought for the Economics Class
Another thing to consider is that you are going to have a hard time getting manufacture repairs if you live in US and own a Telestra 9193. Something to consider. I order parts, but most don't.
I would guess that HD2 repair will become more easily obtained because of thousands of units hitting the streets this week. T9193 warranty repair will still be an issue, but out of warranty repair and parts hopefully will see a price decrease because they are usually volume driven.

Very low price in Florida?????????????
Just found a sale on them in a Florida website. $385.00 Probably a "if it looks too good to be true it probably is" thing. A web store called mobile2cellstore.com. A human did answer the phone though. Maybe there is another pipeline into the US.

Very low price in Florida?????????????
johnboatcat said:
Just found a sale on them in a Florida website. $385.00 Probably a "if it looks too good to be true it probably is" thing. A web store called mobile2cellstore.com. A human did answer the phone though. Maybe there is another pipeline into the US.
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Although the mobile2cellstore.com website states its the T9193 if you look under the specs it says 3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100.
Doesn't it need to say 850 / 2100 to worrk on AT&T?

johnboatcat said:
I was watching with interest to see what effect the T-Mobile introduction would have on the price position of the T9193. New/sealed prices the last few weeks have been in the 750 to 1000 US$ range with shipping from outside US. Yesterday two sold on Ebay for under 600 US$ with shipping from within the US (no warranty mentioned). These were "official" AU T9193's according to the seller.
The price pressure of the T-Mobile unit at 100 to 200 US$ is considerable. Anyone have any thought on where this is going? Economically speaking.
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I am anticipating a larger T9193 price drop as well. I got a Nokia N900 instead for work and will get a T9193 for play, when the price point hits $500 US.

Doesn't it need to say 850 / 2100 to worrk on AT&T?
Yes. I missed that.

After a while, the price should settle to around 600-650.
Back when I was considering selling my HD2 - thankfully I didn't - I noticed an auction where a 9193 was around $700-750 until ~4hrs before close, where it shot up well past $800. This was just before the USTM HD2 came out, so not terribly long ago.
Now, looking at the three most recently closed auctions, we see they all finished above above $775, with one passing $810.
Looking further back in history, I see a few auctions that were very low, below t8585 even, but generally the bidder was untrustworthy or the auction was poorly created.
This phone should hold its value decently well.

mobile2cellstore.com website
Taco Hoodlum said:
Although the mobile2cellstore.com website states its the T9193 if you look under the specs it says 3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100.
Doesn't it need to say 850 / 2100 to worrk on AT&T?
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Alright So I called them this morning and asked if they truly have the T9193 as the 3g specs on their website are not correct. He asked me what I needed and I said I needed the T9193 which has the 3g bands of 850 / 2100. He confirmed that they have that phone in stock and the price for that version would be $400. He asked if I was ready to place an order and I said I was concerned that with that kind of money I wanted to see proof that the phone was indeed the T9193. He got upset with me and he was hard to understand but in summary he said that if they send me the wrong phone that I can clearly see on their website that their return policy is 90 days. When asked if this was an original HTC phone he said that they do not sell or offer cloned phones. Has anyone ordered from here? Anyone in Florida that can stop by and confirm this is a legit business and phone?
Business address: 826 N Miramar Ave, Indialantic, FL
Email: [email protected]
Phone #: +1-412-564-0534
Yahoo Chat: [email protected] for general inquiries.
Office hours:
Monday-Friday 11:00 AM - 7:00 PM
Sunday 12:00 PM - 6:00 PM
Is this to good to be true??

I am about an hour or so away
and so I asked on saturday if I could drive down and pick up the phone. He said they only deal through the mail and I could not come and get a phone. If it smells like fish?

johnboatcat said:
and so I asked on saturday if I could drive down and pick up the phone. He said they only deal through the mail and I could not come and get a phone. If it smells like fish?
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Well that confirms that I will have to hold out and look elsewhere. Thanks for the feedback.

More news for the class
I asked the Australian T9193 sellers where their phones are manufactured. All said in Taiwan, were all HTC's are made. I found two companies by Google in China that say they make T9193's. I have also found four sellers on Google that are selling them in the $300.00 range. One, at least, is using PayPal for payment. Just wondering if these are knock-off's. I have seen statements like "this is not the cheap Chinese model", but have seen no direct evidence of one.

Great thread! Keep us posted, if you please? I dearly want one of these to replace my iPhone but I'm locked to AT&T for the future.
I need that 850 3G...

johnstevens said:
Great thread! Keep us posted, if you please? I dearly want one of these to replace my iPhone but I'm locked to AT&T for the future.
I need that 850 3G...
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samething with me
looking for a replacement for my iphone and htc hd

I called them too. It was hard to understand what he was saying but it sounded like $400 for t9193. Have anyone tried to order from them?

slavany said:
I called them too. It was hard to understand what he was saying but it sounded like $400 for t9193. Have anyone tried to order from them?
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Sounds to good to be true! if you decide to try them out please let us know.

what i wanna know how much its the device to built and how much profit its t-mobile making at a 200 price range? i guess t-mobile making profit on the voice & data rather than making money on the device unless its sold at a full price.

here i another scenario for you guys .... what if you buy it on contract for say $99.99 from wire-fly and then a few weeks later just pay the ETF ( I am not positive but should not be higher then Verizon's ridiculous $300) and you are still only at $400 investment.

josemedina1983 said:
what i wanna know how much its the device to built and how much profit its t-mobile making at a 200 price range? i guess t-mobile making profit on the voice & data rather than making money on the device unless its sold at a full price.
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If they sell it cheaper they sell the device at a loss to hook you into the 2 year contract in which they will make their money back. If you buy the device outright they make money on the sale and off the plan package but they have nothing to recoup so its all profit.

[Q] Where to buy the Desire Z Unlocked

I have been looking for sites where I can buy the North American version of this phone unlocked. Any recommendations for trust worthy sites with good prices?
I prefer to get it unlocked rather than just off contract because of the problems G2 users have been having sim unlocking some of their phones.
Figured I would list the sources here for anyone else who is looking:
Bell (you need to sign up for a plan)
negrielectronics.com
sntradersonline.com
Best Buy Canada (need to pick up in store, but only $499)
If any more are posted I will update the OP.

Anomaly said:
I have been looking for sites where I can buy the North American version of this phone unlocked. Any recommendations for trust worthy sites with good prices?
I prefer to get it unlocked rather than just off contract because of the problems G2 users have been having sim unlocking some of their phones.
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HTCUnlockShop.com i unlocked mine this afternoon took about 2hrs for them to respond with the code but it worked and now im using my fido sim and getting 3g after i setup apn
cost $15CAN

Yeah it took merely minutes to get the code for my Z from cellunlock.net - highly recommend them. Working fine now with Telus.

I mean places to buy the physical phone, already unlocked preferably.

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I mean places to buy the physical phone, already unlocked preferably.
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I just picked one up and its unlocked. Its not my cup of tea. If you interested shoot me a PM

Sntradersonline.com

I got mine from phones4u and its totally unlocked

vinokirk said:
I got mine from phones4u and its totally unlocked
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They're talking about buying an unlocked version of the Bell DZ though, as far as I'm aware.

Hi Anomaly,
check this thread for a lot of user-experiences with several online stores:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=799064
your pick of buying from Bell and then unlocking or some factory unlocked options

Thanks for the replies. I am indeed looking for the NA version and I need the phone shipped to New York.
Bell won't let me order it from them without getting a plan sadly.
negri has it cheaper than SN Traders but it is still $100 more than a G2. We don't have any 3G in Barbados, where I live, but I was hoping to get a Desire Z since I am fairly confident that when we do, it will be on AT&T bands. I don't think that speculation + being able to make the phone brand free are worth the extra $100 though, unless I can find a price closer to Bell's I will just buy the G2.

Anomaly said:
Thanks for the replies. I am indeed looking for the NA version and I need the phone shipped to New York.
Bell won't let me order it from them without getting a plan sadly.
negri has it cheaper than SN Traders but it is still $100 more than a G2. We don't have any 3G in Barbados, where I live, but I was hoping to get a Desire Z since I am fairly confident that when we do, it will be on AT&T bands. I don't think that speculation + being able to make the phone brand free are worth the extra $100 though, unless I can find a price closer to Bell's I will just buy the G2.
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Try Best Buy or wireless wave, they sell the phones outright with a warranty plan

Wow! Best Buy canada has it for $499.
Can only be picked up in store though.

[Q] How easy is to buy a Focus without a contract?

I will be traveling to the US in about a week, I want to buy a Focus and was wondering if I will be able to do it without having a contract with At&t..
I'm willing to pay the "No Commitment Pricing" of $500+taxes but I don't know what kind of requirements they impose to the actual purchase of a device in the store.
Anybody has info on this?

idloco said:
I will be traveling to the US in about a week, I want to buy a Focus and was wondering if I will be able to do it without having a contract with At&t..
I'm willing to pay the "No Commitment Pricing" of $500+taxes but I don't know what kind of requirements they impose to the actual purchase of a device in the store.
Anybody has info on this?
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Your best bet is Best Buy if/when they get the phone, I think.
When I bought my Focus today in an official AT&T store, they mentioned I would have to purchase some sort of contract to "get the phone today". I didn't mind since I was planning to, but it felt to me like it was a necessity...

Anyone else have problems buying off contract? I used my upgrade on an iPhone 4 and wanted to buy this for the full retail price today.... Hopefully I don't run into any problems =/

I bought mine no contract with no hassle. I'm already an ATT customer and just asked to buy the phone without a contract.

chizzwhizz said:
I bought mine no contract with no hassle. I'm already an ATT customer and just asked to buy the phone without a contract.
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Same here, I was in and out in about 5 minutes.

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Same here, I was in and out in about 5 minutes.
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phew... load off my mind. now i can sell off my samsung captivate without worrying the whole day if i did it for nothing. THANKS

I got the phone when the stores open in Columbus, OH on the 8th. There were 4 of us in line there. The other 3 were Microsoft employees. Two bought the focus, one the HTC. All bought them with NO contract. Infact I think one guy paid for all three of them lol. I'm pretty sure since you can order them online with no contract for $499.99 at ATT.com that a contract is not needed.

I walked in and out of a official att store with a focus.

Buy it @ at&t stores should be no problem at all. The biggest problem is to get it unlocked.
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You can't buy the Samsung Focus off contract currently. AT&T will sell it outright ($499 + tax), but they will only sell it to you if your an existing on-contract customer or you sign up (with a minimum term). I've already been to AT&T and tried, apparantly my money is not good enough there. I'm not sure how people in the US put up with this rubbish. Either way, the only way to get a Samsung Focus in the US at the moment is to sign up at AT&T.
I've also been to Best Buy, but they only stock the HTC Surround, which I won't buy due to it not having a microSD slot.

I'm currently an AT&T customer who just renewed my contract for another 2 years for the iphone 4. So they'll be able to sell me one full retail price, right?

www.expansys-usa.com

What about Amazon Wireless, I think you can buy there without a plan...
EDIT: I just confirm this, you can buy without a plan!

Most online site still need to verify your status with AT&T (at least that's the policy with Letstalk.com). Stores don't like to sell phones without contract because there is no money to be made (monthly service charges).

jaraya13 said:
What about Amazon Wireless, I think you can buy there without a plan...
EDIT: I just confirm this, you can buy without a plan!
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You can go elsewhere on the net as well. The problem is AT&T has the best price right now. Everyone else is a good 50-80 more expensive. I'd rather save the extra cash and grab a branded one...

bmstrong said:
You can go elsewhere on the net as well. The problem is AT&T has the best price right now. Everyone else is a good 50-80 more expensive. I'd rather save the extra cash and grab a branded one...
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Dude I meant the branded ones (AT&T), for example the HTC SURROUND AT&T BRANDED price is $460 or something like that. And I was able to go through all the checkout process, just that I didn't want to pay, hehehe

OK cool.. I hope there are Focus left when I´m there!

Amazon.com doesn't have Focus in stock. In fact, it only briefly showed up in like 10 seconds before it was sold out @ 11/8.

You go to Dell online and buy any phone on any carrier in the US and some unlocked Nokia's without a contract and in some cases the prices are pretty good...I have a Streak AND a Nokia N8 on the way lol. The Nokia (ugly pea green one) was actually only $450 compared to $550 most other places. If I don't like either one I may be joining the Focus owners club in a few weeks.

craiglist.. thats how i got mine// 400 bucks.. a week old

[Q] How much for a mytouch 4g?

Ok so here is whats going on..
I live in Toronto and is using mobilicity(same frequency as T-mobile)
I currently have the mytouch 3g slide, i got it off the flee market.
I loved the phone so much and i have been reading about the mytouch 4g that i want to upgrade.
Now my question is where is the cheapest place to get a Brand New mytouch 4g unlocked?
I know T-mobile sometimes unlocks their phones for free but my question with them is that on their site i cant get the phone without a contract.
I am willing to drive to buffalo to an actual T-mobile store but what is their price on the phone with no contract?
Thanks in advance

Well that depends if you want new then I recommend buying from TMobile as you will have remorse and warranty without contract for 450+tax total 480 or so. Using website you can't order it as you have to call it in and order it via phone or go in to the local store. Now if you want to buy new or mint like conditions for cheaper price then try Craigslist or eBay which is selling for $350-400. You have higher chance of getting washed out display which you will have issues now if you don't care about it then just buy it. Far as unlocking goes you can do radio s=off yourself and sim unlock it.

I got mine on craigslist 290
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Used? everything works?

pbedard said:
I got mine on craigslist 290
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I got mine for 350 on cl new in case right after I returned the Nexus S to Best Buy.
Best phone yet hands down.

Well 350 is the avg price but the thing is what will you do when you get bad display?

Thanks a lot guys for clearing that up a bit for me.
I think i might go with buying a brand new one,
I'm the kind of guy who likes to have things from the start and since i don't see myself getting another phone for a while i think it will be better off to get it new

Cl for $250 new from a tmobile rep, was unopened when I purchased it. May try a costco or sams, im looking into a two year contract and can get another mytouch 4g, or g2 for 99
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I've had a couple of chances to buy them off CL in barely used condition for $250ish, but average price seems to be about $300.

Ive looked in Craiglist around my area and the cheapest I've found was 400, i dont want to order from ebay because my visa is currently over due
for 400 i think id rather just buy it from T-mobile.
But once again thanks for tips and your thoughts

rodriguez27 said:
Ive looked in Craiglist around my area and the cheapest I've found was 400, i dont want to order from ebay because my visa is currently over due
for 400 i think id rather just buy it from T-mobile.
But once again thanks for tips and your thoughts
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Shop more carefully. Post a WANT AD instead and you'll get lower prices. Worked for me. But then again I live in the SF Bay Area where CL was born, so there's a lot of action.
Check this one out - this one is within driving distance of me.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/mob/2148760594.html

The best thing I like about CL is the false advertisement to lure folks in each threads by the seller. How they claim its new then when you go inside you see its used lol it can't be new (NIB) but its used morons. Don't waste your time with CL with 1st batch still out in large go pay the full price if money is not object for you or get it via EIP though tmobile I am guessing they have like 30-35 smaller payments.
Now I wouldn't mind buying it of CL year later but not even at that price as most idiots do want 350 for device that should be 150 due to time but they want the price they bought it for lol you have to love people who has 0 to no experience in sale department.

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The best thing I like about CL is the false advertisement to lure folks in each threads by the seller. How they claim its new then when you go inside you see its used lol it can't be new (NIB) but its used morons. Don't waste your time with CL with 1st batch still out in large go pay the full price if money is not object for you or get it via EIP though tmobile I am guessing they have like 30-35 smaller payments.
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If you do your due diligence as a buyer and inspect the product it's fine. Just like buying a used car.
I bought a mt3g on CL for $200 and sold it on CL 9 months later with accessories for $200. Then a couple weeks later I picked up my gf's Captivate for $200 and in a year I'll probably sell it for $250.
I'm a perfectly straightforward and honest buyer and seller. Post a want ad to buy then post a sale ad to sell. This isn't rocket science.
Now I wouldn't mind buying it of CL year later but not even at that price as most idiots do want 350 for device that should be 150 due to time but they want the price they bought it for lol you have to love people who has 0 to no experience in sale department.
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lol I actually completely agree with this. Just two months ago I wanted to buy a N1 and people wanted $350-$400 for them. I even had to prove to one guy that they were $529 at full retail not even a year ago. SMH...

Phateless said:
Shop more carefully. Post a WANT AD instead and you'll get lower prices. Worked for me. But then again I live in the SF Bay Area where CL was born, so there's a lot of action.
Check this one out - this one is within driving distance of me.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/mob/2148760594.html
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Its not that i dont shop carfully.
I live in Toronto, theres probably only a few people selling around here and they want 400+ especially since "It's not out in Canada".
When i check buffalo and that area there are only a few low priced phone which are used and when i tried contacting them they where already sold.

rodriguez27 said:
It's not that i don't shop carefully.
I live in Toronto, there's probably only a few people selling around here and they want 400+ especially since "It's not out in Canada".
When i check buffalo and that area there are only a few low priced phones which are used and when i tried contacting them they were already sold.
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Ahh, that makes sense. Bummer.