Hello,
I'm a bit of a newbie to WM5 devices and although I've searched the manual that came with my TyTn, Google and this site I can't seem to find out how to select multiple items in a menu or multiple words of text using the stylus.
Is this possible and if so how?
Minestorm
PS: Sorry if this seems a stupid question
Minestorm said:
Hello,
I'm a bit of a newbie to WM5 devices and although I've searched the manual that came with my TyTn, Google and this site I can't seem to find out how to select multiple items in a menu or multiple words of text using the stylus.
Is this possible and if so how?
Minestorm
PS: Sorry if this seems a stupid question
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Yes, it is possible...
select with pad an item, press central button. Wait the contes menu and WHILE you are pressing, select with stylus the other items you want...
Note, that the wheel push can be used instead of the central button.
There is one more way: open the on-screen keyboard and tap Ctrl. Then (while the keyboard is still shown) you can tap items to select.
BTW it's a pity the manual does not contain the detailed description of UI possibilities. Only yesterday I found out that if I push Enter (wheel or the center button) for a long time, a context menu appears... in some places...
I have a similair problem with the Charmer running WM5. On my BA I can select contacts and using the stylus draw down the screen and select multiple contacts. then I can beam these to another device. But I can't appear to do this with the Charmer running WM5. I have tried the suggestions here but they don't appear to work. Can anyone tell me if this can be done? I have posted to the Magician forum but no replies. Thanks in advance John.
I have the 20 Key Touch Dual (nike) and XT9 works great, but depending on what program you are using some applications start in "abc" mode by default. This seems dependant on what feild you are in; Subject feilds like a new calendar item always starts in "abc" mode, where notes and message feilds start in XT9. If you change the settings it will default back next time you open that application. Is there a way to change the default keypress settings to always start in XT9 for all feilds or a way to remember your preference inside each feild.
Anyone have a suggestions/tweak/fix?
Thanks-
Jcostanza4
i also need to fix this it is really annoying
I think you are right and that it's determined by the field or the application. I've noticed that it defaults to "abc" in fields and applications where non-standard (unusual) language is often used; i.e. calendar entries, phone book, connections settings fields, etc.
There must be a workaround though...
Does anyone found a solution to this??
It's really annonying to have to change everytime for having the xt9 enable. I found a sort of shortcut: long press on the button "*/xt9" and then press "1" but you have to do it each time...
Don't we have a good programmer who knows how to make cab to get rid of this??
i tried this, you can change the keyboard to the normal one, non new htc, this it will be of.
Guys it's simple use file explorer and go to Window\xT9Settings and click to launch settings menu there you can check on/off the following:
-Spell Correction
-Next Word Prediction
-Auto Substitution
-Word Completion
-Multitap Word Completion
Don't know why HTC have hidden it in the windows directory!! it should have been placed in the systems menu in any case you can always create shortcut for it in the programs menu.
gfreek said:
Guys it's simple use file explorer and go to Window\xT9Settings and click to launch settings menu there you can check on/off the following:
-Spell Correction
-Next Word Prediction
-Auto Substitution
-Word Completion
-Multitap Word Completion
Don't know why HTC have hidden it in the windows directory!! it should have been placed in the systems menu in any case you can always create shortcut for it in the programs menu.
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But the is no option there to disable or enable xT9 in all applications.
I think this is the same issue as being discussed in this thread - maybe they should be merged.
Even though this thread is the 20-key version the way it reads to me we are all looking for the reg key(s) that set the behavior of xT9...
dabs said:
But the is no option there to disable or enable xT9 in all applications.
I think this is the same issue as being discussed in this thread - maybe they should be merged.
Even though this thread is the 20-key version the way it reads to me we are all looking for the reg key(s) that set the behavior of xT9...
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Im not looking to disable the XT9, but to enable it in every feild by default or ABC mode. Right now certain feilds default to ABC or XT9, so knowing which feild defaults to what is always a pain. If I get used to typing in one mode only everything would be smooth.
This is one of the biggest things that is bugging the hell out of me at the moment with this device. Everything else has been smooth, Really hope HTC fix this in the next version with either a user option to enable the mode you want to use. I am pretty sure that a registry edit could also do this.
gfreek said:
Guys it's simple use file explorer and go to Window\xT9Settings ...
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no xt9settings program on my traditional chinese version.
Try the link below...^^
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2098945&postcount=4
Thanks for the link. It works properly.
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Video demonstration of FingerKeyboard (WVGA)
Please note that the speed of typing in
this video is intentionally slightly slowed
down - this was done so that it is easier
to see what buttons are being typed
during the demonstration.
Also note that the VGA skins can differ from the WVGA ones=====================
CURRENT LANGUAGE LAYOUTS
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English
Greek
French
Italian
German
Spanish
Czech
Russian
Arabic
Romanian
Croatian
Danish
Norwegian
Bulgarian
Portuguese
Polish
Hungarian
Hebrew
Turkish
Swedish
Ukrainian (Thanx to olylak)
===============
VERSION NUMBERING
===============
Please note that ALL versions in this thread have Finger Keyboard 2.1 as a basis.
The constant updates are NOT related to updating the program itself.
It is for updating skins and layouts.
The last 3 numbers of the file name represent the date of uploading. So .408 represents 8 April!
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CHANGELOG
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April 08 - FingerKeyb-2.1.408
Added ś in Polish
Corrected k & l in Danish
Increased predefined TXT from 24 to 48 (Use Shift)
Added characters in digits layout (Use Shift)
Removed TXT from language button!April 07 - FingerKeyb-2.1.407 VGA Fixed "k" in Greek layout, added Ukrainian
April 07 - FingerKeyb-2.1.3 VGA (Arrows) Fixed Resolution error
April 07 - Added version with Arrows
April 06 - Version 2.1.1 VGA
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INSTALLATION
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Uninstall any version older than 2.1 before you proceed!
After removing old version, please restart the device and remove FingerKeyb folder before proceeding!
1. Run the CAB file from your device. Installation on device memory is recommended!
2. After installation, a Configuration utility will open. Here you can customize the layouts, choose color schemes and configure various options of FingerKeyboard 2.
3. Click on OK and soft-reset the device.
4. Select FingerKeyb from the SIP list (By clicking on the small arrow next to the keyboard icon. FingerKeyb should be listed under "Other input options")
Additional Notes
A. FingerKeyb will install into /Program files/FingerKeyb. There is also a link to Configuration tool in the Start > Programs.
B. If you wish to set FingerKeyb as default keyboard, even after restart of your device, use SIP change application. Remember to set the time-delay to 40-50 seconds!
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TO DO LIST
==============
- Improve some language layouts
- Add Additional Skins
- Add more languages (Feel free to help!)
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CREDITS
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Created and programmed by Exidler
Designed by Rozenthal
VGA Porting and Additional Designing Giannis86
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HELP AND FAQ - Frequently asked questions
Read this whole text before using the FingerKeyboard or asking for help! If your question is already answered in FAQ it will be ignored. Don't be lazy!
What version should I install on my XYZ device? / What is WVGA, WQVGA, VGA and QVGA?
To successfully install Fingerkeyboard on your device, you need to pick the correct version for your phone. For example, let's say you want to find out what resolution Samsung Omnia has. Type "Samsung Omnia review" into Google, and among the first few results usually you'll get the most popular review sites listed. Reviews always contain resolution information, so we easily find out that Samsung Omnia has a 400x240 pixels resolution. That means you should install FingerKeyboard WQVGA cab.
Here's the list of supported resolutions for FingerKeyboard, with their standard abbreviations:
WVGA - 800x480
WQVGA - 400x240
VGA - 640x480
QVGA - 320x240
Download these resolutions from here!
How can i uninstall FingerKeyboard?
Go to Settings > System > Remove programs.
It is listed as "Exidler's FingerKeyboard"
Why does FingerKeyboard look differently on my device then on the screenshots?
There can be some small differences between the screenshots and what you see on your screen. The reason for this is that different layouts can have different features, graphic elements or button layouts. We consider English layout to be the "standard" layout, with best combination of button size and positions.
How can I type those special characters that appear above normal characters?
Press and hold a key.
How to switch to full CAPS?
Press and hold the shift button.
Spacebar
If you press and hold spacebar button it will write a dot followed by a space.
How to use text selection?
Switch to full CAPS mode and then use arrow buttons to select text.
How to use cut / copy / paste / undo?
Switch to full CAPS mode, select the text you want to cut or copy, and press and hold ^c or ^x characters. Then press and hold ^v to paste. On some layouts these are named "cut", "copy" and "pst". Same thing with "undo" option - you can use "undo" at any moment, and it will take you back for unlimited number of steps.
Where is that Config tool you mention?
After you install FingerKeyboard, go to Start > Programs > Finger Keyboard.
How can I switch to numeric keyboard?
Press 123 button. If your layout does not have dedicated 123 button, press Shift and 123 will appear on your Language toggle button. Behavior of Language toggle button can be customized in Configuration tool.
How can I change a color scheme of the keyboard?
Config tool > Main > Color scheme: select which ever you like and press OK or Apply.
How can I select language layouts?
Config tool > Main: you will see a list of all language layouts you have in your FingerKeyboard folder. Put a tick next to the layouts you want to use and press OK or Apply. We also advise you to physically delete layouts you don't want to use from oyur device (Program files / FingerKeyb / Skins). This will make Config tool start up a little bit faster and use less memory.
What are all those Backspace options in Config tool?
Behavior of Backspace key can be customized to suit your needs. You can separately control what will Backspace do on short click and long press, as well as how it will behave in small caps or caps lock mode.
How to minimize or turn off the keyboard?
Short press the keyboard toggle button (the one with small keyboard or switch sign on it). Long press on this button will turn off FingerKeyboard and switch to default HTC keyboard.
How to disable click sound?
Run FingerKeyboard Config tool. Under "Options" tab you will find a "Press sound" box. Here you can select from several different click sounds, all of which have "quiet" and "loud" versions. This is useful if you want a subtle click sound, but don't want to lower the volume for the whole System. There is also a "no sound option".
How can I get vibration feedback?
Config tool > Options tab > Press vibrate. Here you can select how long you want the vibration feedback to last. Minimum of 20ms will get you a barely noticeable vibration effect, while 80ms will be very strong.
How can I control the key-press delay? / What is "Hold time" / Can I make the keys repeat on press+hold?
"Hold time" option in Config tool is a cool option you can use to control how long it will be needed for a key to be continuously pressed before it writes a letter or performs an action. This part of the "Hold time" function is controlled with numbers in the first box. The second box controls how long will it take for a key to be continuously pressed before it starts repeating itself. So, if you put 500ms in the first box, and 200ms in the second box, that means you will have to press a key for 500ms before it performs it's "long press" action, and 200ms more before it starts repeating that function. If you hold the key even longer, it will then gradually accelerate.
Can I hide / show Windows menu bars?
Yes, go to Config tool and under "Options" tab select how you want the keyboard to display in Portrait and Landscape mode. We suggest selecting "Show bar" for portrait, and "Hide bar" for landscape.
I want the pop-up images to stay longer on screen. How can I do this?
In Config tool, Options tab, there is a "Popup time" box. Here you can select how long will the pop-up image stay on screen after a key has been pressed. If you set pop-up time to 1500ms, this means the pop-up image will stay on screen for 1.5 seconds, or until next key is pressed. Pop-up image delay affects ONLY the normal character keys (A,B,C,D etc). Special action keys, such as Shift, Space, Backspace etc. have default short time and will not stay on your screen. This is done to avoid action keys images covering large areas of the screen with their larger pop-up images.
What are Smiles / Shortcuts?
This is a feature that no other keyboard has. It allows you to control what any of the several predefined actions keys will do when you press and hold them. Almost all layouts have these special actions included (between 7 and 11 actions on most of the layouts). You can control what will show up on a key when you open the keyboard, as well as what that key will write when you press+hold it. For example, you can type into "Key text" box "info" and into "Action text" you could type "John Smith, gsm:00123456789, e-mail: [email protected]". Or maybe your favorite web address. Or your signature. Or your wife's name. Or your lover's name for all we care The possibilities are endless! You can do the same thing for smiles - if you don't like the default ones, use your own, or something else!
A special key I need is missing / Can I customize smiles / Can I change shortcuts?
If there's a key missing in your language layout, you can easily add it yourself by using either Smiles or Shortcuts tab in Config tool. Simply type the missing key into two of the horizontal boxes and the key will appear when you long press a button that has that Smiles / Shortcut action.
Why does XYZ language layout have only a few smiles / shortcuts buttons?
Some language layouts have very high demands regarding the number of characters they need to occupy. Because of this there are a few language layouts that may have a smaller number of smiles / shortcuts spaces reserved. We have tried to include as many as possible, believe us!
How can I make FingerKeyboard a default keyboard? / How can I keep FingerKeyboard as default keyboard even after reset?
You can use a small program called SIP Change. Look it up on XDA-developers.com forum, and remember to set delay to 40-50 seconds.
"Where is XYZ language layout? Why is it not included!?"
If you want a certain language layout, first check FingerKeyboard2.1 thread on XDA-developers.com forum if someone maybe already made an additional layout and posted it there. If not, the best thing you can do is to make your own layout and share it with other people. If your layout is good, we'll probably include it in next version. Please do not spam us with "I WANT THIS LANGUAGE!!!" messages. All language layouts depend exclusively on the community to produce them. If no one can't be bothered to make your language layout, we can't really help you.
Editing instructions:
You can use the existing layouts to make it custom layouts! The easiest way is to open one of the layout skin txt files and replace the existing characters with your own. Experiment a bit, and you will soon get the hang of it. Same applies if you want to make your own skin - edit the included bitmaps, and change the appropriate lines in txt files. Everything you want to know about FingerKeyboard actions, layouts, colors and resolutions is explained in "doc-about-skin.txt" that is located in the root of the FingerKeyb folder. Read it first before asking for help!
XT9 & TEXT SUGGESTION:
This keyboard does not support T9. However, there is an option to enable standard Windows Mobile word suggestion, as well as SMS contact name suggestion. There are two ways to do this.
First way is to use the FingerKeyboard Config tool and select what you want to use (Word / SMS suggestion, or both). SMS suggestions will work normally, but for WinMo word suggestion to function, you will need to switch to HTC default keyboard and manually turn on XT9 on the little T9 switch. After that, you can reload FingerKeyboard and everything will work normally. This can be a good way for people who like to use T9 on other keyboards, but also want to use FingerKeyboard without T9. This approach also makes it possible to use new HTC style suggestion windows (the ones with small arrows on each side, where you can flip between names / words).
To avoid messing around with XT9 switch on HTC keyboard you can simply globally disable XT9 across the whole system. That means that T9 will not work even on system keyboards that have T9 support, but SMS / Word suggestions will both work. This will disable the HTC style suggestion windows, and use the default WinMo style (opens a simple white window with list of suggested words or names). The patch file which disables XT9 globally is attached in this post. This patch can be uninstalled. If you already have it installed, you do not have to remove it or reinstall it. Also, please note that when you install this patch, you will not be able to select SMS /Word options in FingerKeyb config tool - they will always be grayed out.
Click Here to Download this Patch
It might be best to install the FingerKeyb cab and test it first. You can always globally disable XT9 later on if you decide so.
There is a known bug with Word suggestion, that has been almost fully fixed in this version of FingerKeyboard. The bug manifests itself like this:
- if you have "Text word suggestion" turned on, and you type an SMS message, the "home" and "end" buttons will not work while the word suggestion window is open on the screen. If you select a word, those keys will work normally. Unfortunately, this isn't our fault - it's actually a bug in Word suggestion app.
Screenshots
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Looks very nice... installing it now! Thx!
edit: works very smooth and nice too!
Thats what im waiting for
You can customize nearly everything, thats awesome
Thank you very much Giannis
My thanks goes also to Exidler and Rozenthal
this is by far the best keyboard i have used!!
any chance of an oem package in the future?
excellent work! thank you thank you!
is it possible to get the up/down/left/right arrows on the bottom row of the keyboard?
thanks
Awesome job! Thank you
Looks fantastic- ill give feedback after testing. What i like so far, even without trying is that this is what im looking for in terms of apps for my WM fone. As Msoft has failed completely in this regard, it is up to us to create these type of apps and to make sure that they are usable and well documented. Unfortunately, many apps are half-assed (not an insult to their creators- it is simply not possible for an individual or a small group of people to do what the entire team at apple or HTC does) so often times, they can cause more problems then they solve as bugs upon bugs are discovered. What we need is comprehensive apps that are presented in an organized manner like this. An example is the FAQ section which is great (cuts down clutter- a thread does not need to be 200 pages long) because we all hate those who ask questions over and over again that have been already asked and most of the time- even answered. Way to go!
Edit: Works smoothly. Good customization options. Addresses major flaws in most other keyboards (example- .com and www. shortcuts). No bugs discovered yet. Would like to see directional arrows at bottom option in customization menu as we all hate the useless dpad on our Fuzes. So far...highly recommended!!
i currently have version 0.17 beta, and there's no uninstall option. how do i uninstall this before installing 2.1.1 ?
or should i just install 2.1.1 over the top?
thanks
this is awesome Thanks!
Great work.
omniwolf said:
i currently have version 0.17 beta, and there's no uninstall option. how do i uninstall this before installing 2.1.1 ?
or should i just install 2.1.1 over the top?
thanks
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I had no uninstall option either. I just installed the newest version, it would not work. So I uninstalled the new version, deleted the finger folder, soft reset, reinstalled, soft reset and it works fine. I have a Diamond as well.
Good luck.
Will there be a port of the Glossy version ??
predtxt
I see that there's predtxt in the language selection. May I know what is it? Is it a language or a special feature?
Thanks.
to answer some questions:
version with arrows will be uploaded today
unfortunately it cant be configured from the config tool
Predtxt is my special features..its predefined texting..try it...i will post some screenshots soon
to uninstall versions that were installed manually:
click on register, and then choose NO from the popup...after that delete the whole fingerkeyboard folder
whatever you do, do NOT install this over another...
edit:Glossy edition will be adjusted too..but it will take a while as i have to finish other stuff first
Great Work Giannis86 !!!
Ukrainian layout
Hi,
Here is Ukrainian layout. Can you put it into the installation?
Ok, by now you probably know HTC's nice text selection tool. To use it, write some words in a HTC application (like the text message composer), then tap-and-hold somewhere in the text. You get one handle to move around, or two if you want to select a precise part.
But there's more. Change "HKLM/Software/HTC/TextSelection/EnableMagnifier" from 0 to 1. Now activate the text selection tool again as described above and try moving the single handle around...
Nice catch. Can be helpful in tight selections. I've been looking through the reg. So much stuff disabled... Why does HTC do this? They could've placed it as an option on SMS menu...
Thanks. Added to tips thread.
Maybe they disable it so we at XDA have something to do until HSPL is released
Some other simple but cool things I discovered:
* You can use the album app to crop pictures. Just pinch-to-zoom until the part you want fills the screen, then tap the screen, tap the icon on the bottom right and choose the second option from the menu. In Dutch it's called 'Schermafbeelding opslaan'. It will save a cropped copy of your pic.
* Here's a registry entry I found: "HKLM/Software/HTC/Manila/InternetPush/EnablePushInternet". It's set to 0 by default. I'm not really interested in push internet, so I haven't experimented with this, but it seems you can enable it if you want.
* Sometimes touch scrolling gets in the way of selecting text. If you want to select text, the solution depends on the context, but to start you just tap-and-hold anywhere:
-- In Opera, you can switch text selection on/off in the context menu;
-- In some apps (like while reading an e-mail message) you get a pop-up menu where the first option is 'make selection' ('selectie maken' on my Dutch device);
-- In Word, just before the pop-up menu appears, you see this: '[T]'. As soon as it appears, move your finger and you'll be able to select text!
* If you like the Footprints app but prefer full size pictures to those square 'polaroids', there's an option to save a full sized copy whenever you create a 'Footprint' (Footprints tab -> Menu -> Settings).
* The 'me' entry in the People app stores your 'owner' info. I know this is widely known by now, partly because I've been posting it everywhere, but I still see so many people complaining they can't register their applications (Resco stuff, SKtools)... because the can't find the old owner info icon. I have registered both Resco Explorer and SKtools perfectly fine without ever bringing the owner info icon back.
I haven't ever been able to get the Text Selection sliders to work on a custom rom even after setting the registry value to 1.
This is an awesome feature and I can't understand why it doesn't work.
leepriestenator said:
I haven't ever been able to get the Text Selection sliders to work on a custom rom even after setting the registry value to 1.
This is an awesome feature and I can't understand why it doesn't work.
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you know it only works in text messaging, right? (well, some other htc apps too, apparently, but i couldn't name another one i've seen it in)
Yes of course... I'm aware that it only works in the realm of Sense specifically mail and text. I can do the standard selection thing but I just can't seem to get the sliders.
Any ideas?
hmm, well a common mistake I've come across a few times is people not pressing select the first time.
firstly go type some text into a new text message. (not sure where the idea it works in email came from, certainly doesn't on mine.)
ok, press and hold should bring up a cursor and the words "select|select all.
use the single sljder to set the start(or end, whichever) press 'select' nd now a second slider should join the first, enabling you to select.
Thanks for the responses guys, but as it turned out, I didn't realise that Energy ROMs are stripped of the HTC Messaging Module and that seems to be the only place where this 'feature' works.
It's a shame that's it's not available system-wide considering how easy it makes life.
I installed the HTC Messaging Client and voila, it was it there! but that excitement was short lived considering how bad HTC's messaging client is.
hah couldn't agree more. with the magnifier too its great ,, just never gets used.
I install the duck 6.5 lockscreen on my HD2 but there no effect after reboot.
I uninstall it however after reboot the default slidelock disappear.
Instead, the wm6.5 lockscreen reappeared.
How can I change back to the HTC slidelock?
Thanks a lot for any help!!
suggestion:
home screen - settings, click menu - advanced, select lock and and then the tab "screen". from the drop down menu, select the "windows standard" that is not selected (there are two in the list with identical names).
this at least works for me, changing from one lockscreen to another.
ps. these menu names and placements are translation from the norwegian ROM, so dont kill me if they are not identical
Thanks for your reply.
I've tried the two different items from the dropdown menu and both can't work. I think these setting is for the orignal screenlock for wm6.5 , not the HTC's own slidelock.
Anyway, thanks.
for me the lower one is htc's screen lock, and the upper one is the old MS one. i think i needed to soft reset to get the effect.
anyways, im sorry its not working for you