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streaming video from PC + 802.11b or 802.11g to wizard

guys,
i've got a really straight question which probably gets complicated by specific scenarios but i'm hoping to collect in this thread all your feedback and experience so that i can make my final decision whether to buy or not...
...can you STREAM videos from your computer / router ( mine is 802.11b but i can buy a 802.11g if needed ) to the K-JAM without experiencing saccades ?
...i'm talking about .avi ( divx,xvid, mostly, some .mpg too ) files NOT CONVERTED to low rez or specific PDA bitrates usually around 700MB long ( yeah, movie rips ) I DO NOT want to recode for PDA viewing.
is there a difference in playback performance with videos of "weird" resolution ( 99% of my videos are NOT 640x480 precisely or 320 x 240 either ) ?
...if it's hard to playback for the WIZARD, do you think it's possible ( better ? ) to run TERMINAL SERVICES and have the PC perform the playback while the WIZARD only receives the image stream ?
THANKS A LOT for your feedback on this matter; this is really the one "to buy or not to buy" feature i'm looking for in the WIZARD.
=)
PS - on a side note, how would you judge viewing a movie on your WIZARD screen ?
is it too small for you ?
THANKS !

croquette said:
...if it's hard to playback for the WIZARD, do you think it's possible ( better ? ) to run TERMINAL SERVICES and have the PC perform the playback while the WIZARD only receives the image stream ?
PS - on a side note, how would you judge viewing a movie on your WIZARD screen ?
is it too small for you ?
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Not sure about the other questions but I can answer these.
You can't use Terminal Services to view video. It is far too slow, and only 16 colours so it would not work.
I am upgrading from the XDA Mini to the K-JAM, both of which have 2.8" QVGA screens, and viewing video on the 2.8" screen is fine. It looks better than my previous 3.5" QVGA screen because of the higher density of the pixels. You can't really see the black between the pixels. Its great!!
If you haven't purchased by Wednesday next week, I may be able to try it for you. I should get my K-JAM then

Without trying it, I would have to say that it's probably not possible to run full-size divx/avi/wmv from your wizard over wifi. It has a hard time just playing PDA-size videos off local storage.
It would be interesting for someone to confirm it with empirical evidence though.

I have only read good reports of video playback on the K-JAM.

Ive streamed many video files to my xd2i and now my exec...........occasionally it can slow up or re-buffer, but thats part of the the fun lol
You might need a different player to WM10 though, something like the Core player (TCPMP) does the job

Did anyone try to Stream Beyond TV to the Wizard ?????

can you see shared folders on your network? or do you just put in the URL/address manually to stream those videos?

i use www.orb.com
but i'd love to work out how the hell i can browse network shares via wireless on my wizard

you can see network folders if you have Resco File Explorer and then click on the file to play it. I don't think this works on WM file explorer and its a pain to enter a network address into the file field (to long). I haven't tried it with DIVX or MPG yet. but when I tried streaming with WMV I get an error. something about parameters. any ideas?

use pocketlan.
(or resco)
I can stream full size divx (movies from bittorrent) ok on my jam with wifi card but it does buffer quite a bit
the g might make a difference on the k-jam...

I have the same problem. Resco and Total commander can open shared "drive" but if I try to open *.wmv or *.wma by using WM10 I got an "error" from WM10.
But if I associate the wma mp3 avi to TPMC(Betaplayer) i will run!
Like if built in app will never open networked version...

adebilloez said:
I have the same problem. Resco and Total commander can open shared "drive" but if I try to open *.wmv or *.wma by using WM10 I got an "error" from WM10.
But if I associate the wma mp3 avi to TPMC(Betaplayer) i will run!
Like if built in app will never open networked version...
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sounds like you get further than me then.. i just get a nasty error when i try to even open a share thats got full access to anyone

I have the same problem. Resco and Total commander can open shared "drive" but if I try to open *.wmv or *.wma by using WM10 I got an "error" from WM10.
But if I associate the wma mp3 avi to TPMC(Betaplayer) i will run!
Like if built in app will never open networked version...

Well guys let me tell you that you can stream videos or music from your pc to your pocket pc via wifi anyway you have to install Windows media encoder to do this process and you will be watching the videos or listening to music from the Media player on your pocket pc ;D

Hello,
Already tried with WMEncoder 9 always get this "error" I guess that it's something with DRM but it's not...
When I use other device (WM2003 with wifi) Pocket WM works well...with my brodcasting PC
I think it's something with WM5 (not able to do wifi with my 3th device 2020 with Buzz1.6c czuz I don't have Wifi SD...) or 9100 ROM..
If anybody can test "built in" (ROM) app using shared resource
it will be great ...

guys,
have anyone among you lucky owners of a K-JAM finally managed to stream an .avi movie ( 700Mb and not 640x480 or 320x240 ) from the PC to your smartphone through an 802.11b or 802.11g wifi connection without saccades yet ?
i still fail to find confirmation of this online, and i'm hurting everytime i talk on my dying cell unable to upgrade just yet because i couldn't find the answer to this question to make up my mind...
=P
...i'm hoping you have some good news.
THANKS !=)

no and even 320*240...

ok, a month and a half has gone by since my first post, and i was wondering if you guys have had enough time to play with your new cell to give feedback about this specific topic... :roll:
i'm stuck with an almost useless phone until i upgrade, and i would REALLY join the WIZARD group...
PLEASE HELP ME !!!

adebilloez said:
no and even 320*240...
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Nope video stream is poor via my mda vario approx 50 %
Vario has only b wifi not g
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Just tried it with a 640*360 DivX file and its no good, but then having said that its prettymuch the same when i run the same file from the SD card. doesn't seem to like the decoding on the fly

TCMP Wifi playback.

Has anyone managed to get a standard divx type format playing without having to buffer over wifi ?
Playing like a 700mb divx, avi or whatever it will stop to buffer every minute or so. Is there any way to play with any of the buffer settings to get it to play a file back without any buffering ?
I know I can convert the files to ppc and they would play fine but I was just wondering if there was a way to avoid this.

+1 Yeah, I would love to know this one. Is there any way to get a player to load a sufficient amount into memory (SD, storage) to play smoothly? I am using Resco Explorer 2005 and TCPMP.

No answer here, but I'd like to know this too! I tried to watch something over WiFi and it was shocking. Damn... that... spinning... pie... chart... thing! :lol:

I'm kinda surprise..certain wmv files I've played does not have any buffer..
But i've compared 2 video in Mpeg and Wmv format. the Wmv format (320X240 pixel, bit rate 234kbps,16bit,2(stereo) audi sample rate 32Khz) can play the movie smoothly.Perhaps we should look into the size and format or the bitrate?Sorry I'm not a pro in this..

Spooling via VLC (Macintosh) to TCPMP over WiFi works smoothly without buffering on all the files i have tried. For those formats not supported you can transcode the video and audio and set the bit-rate at whatever you want.

Been playing with the settings, and while the video only is a little choppy on higher bitrate stuff with fast movement, I'm no longer experiencing the dreaded piechart for most stuff.
Could not tell you which of my settings are affecting it though, but theoretically, how can the wifi network be the weak link? Even the slower version of wifi should be able to stream this amount of data....?
Of whats in my vid folder right now, I'm experiencing the following:
Surface - not full 24fps via wireless, but extremely watchable, no piechart
xvid - 624x352 - 1104kb/s, 128kb/s audio
Sleeper Cell - not full fps but again extremely watchable, no piechart
xvid - 624x352 - 865kb/s, 131kb/s audio
Powaqqatsi - awful jerky quality. No piechart, but the video freezes every couple of secs, while audio continues. Unwatchable
divx5 - 592x320 - 1654kb/s, 448kb/s audio
Hidden Fortress - Works perfectly due to low bitrate/screensize, either in 100% mode or fit-screen mode - tcpmp doesn't do subtitles though, argh!!
xvid - 416x176 - 509kb/s, 192kb/s audio
Intoxicated - Works well enough in 100% or fit-screen mode - got one piechart though
xvid - 512x288 - 946kb/s, 115kb/s audio
Used GSpot to find out bitrate etc, highly recommend it.

Indeed, 802.11b at feeble rate SHOULD be able to handle it. It can make a difference if the hard-disk on the network PC is fragmented.
I would defragment mine, but they are too full so it'd take hours... doh!

Melty said:
Indeed, 802.11b at feeble rate SHOULD be able to handle it. It can make a difference if the hard-disk on the network PC is fragmented.
I would defragment mine, but they are too full so it'd take hours... doh!
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Good tip - mine WILL be highly fragmented, I let it get near full a few times.
Will run it overnight, see if it improves matters.

Still found it had to buffer even when switching the audio to mono and reducing the video quality to low.
There is obviously a bottle neck somewhere on the universal. I had this problem on the wizard but the impression I got was it was down to the cpu. I thought the Uni may have been okay but its just the same.
Im assuming maybe the cpu is doing so much in tcmp to decode the file, there isnt enough time left to actually get the wifi running smooth enough.
Has anyone tried to run a file of large divx size from a memory card to see if its even an issue from there ?

knowsleyroader said:
Has anyone tried to run a file of large divx size from a memory card to see if its even an issue from there ?
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Will do that right now with powaqqatsi, the highest bitrate one from my list above.
EDIT: Works perfectly at 100% and fit-screen mode. Smooth as a babys bum, even fast moving stuff.
Processor ain't the bottleneck as such...

belfast-biker said:
knowsleyroader said:
Has anyone tried to run a file of large divx size from a memory card to see if its even an issue from there ?
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Will do that right now with powaqqatsi, the highest bitrate one from my list above.
EDIT: Works perfectly at 100% and fit-screen mode. Smooth as a babys bum, even fast moving stuff.
Processor ain't the bottleneck as such...
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Yup agree with you,I've tried a large divx size movie and it play the move smoothly on SD card

So maybe the answer is the tcmp streaming ? Having said that its the same with webpages. They dont load anywhere near as quick as on a desktop so for me even b wifi isnt getting anywhere near to capacity never mind bringing g into the mix.

Hello all first post on forum.
I need some feedback on this:-
I have changed the TCPMP Player settings as follows
Normal Buffer size 49984KB
Preload at underrun 200%
I still get the video to stop with pie chart appearing but its less frequent but the stop is a bit longer. It’s a bit better but not perfect maybe someone can try some other numbers and combinations. For me these are the best I could get.

Could someone give me some tips as to how i can stream video's on my PC to my jasjar.
I have a Linksys WAG54G router.
Appreciate it.

Doc:
You have to make the files on the host pc 'shared' (right click> properties > sharing.. on windows xp). Once youve done that, use a file explorer program such as Resco File Explorer to access the host PC from your phone via your wifi network. Browse to the file you want, then tell it to play!

Hi Richard,
Thanks for the quick reply.
I have already done what you have said. But when i try to map a drive through resco explorer,i get an error saying "No computer found in the network. Check your network card or modify settings to specify your network subsets"
What do you suppose i am doing wrong?
Thanks.

Itll be an issue with the way windows manages networks... check settings such as the workgroup/domain you are on (My computer > Computer name)
Just fiddle around until it works

Ummm, sorry if i am sounding thick Richard.
I haven't setup any workgroup or domain. This is my home wireless network and i am the only one using it. My computer name is "Universal". When i try to map a network drive through resco explorer, it doesn't even see a computer with that name.
What do you think?

Dont worry :-D
The only reason I know a lot about wireless networks is that mine is always breaking ;p
Workgroups and domains are silly little things the Microsoft likes you to organise your computers on a network into. Regardless of the fact that you only have one, that one PC still needs to be grouped, so old Bill is happy. I havent the foggiest what the practical differences are between workgroups and domains, but I know you may only be in one of the two at once. Check on the My computer page I mentioned, see if anything looks awry. Failing that, tick/untick boxes until it works....

Hi again Richard,
Well, i finally got my jasjar to see my computer through resco file explorer.
NEW PROBLEM!!!
When i click on the share button, i get the following error:
"Cannot map network path. Network resource cannot be found or you do not have a permission to access the network. Contact your network administrator".
All firewalls are off. I dont know what is blocking it. Suggestions?

iplayer downloads?? Can't get them to work.

Sorry for the noobish question but my problem is as follows....
I know the BBC Iplayer site states the HD2 is not compatable and either way I thought I'd put some downloaded programmes on my phone to watch.
So I downloaded them as 'portable device download' from the iplayer site to my PC and then tried to drop them onto the card to watch. They're WMV files. But I get an error message stating "the device has either stopped responding or has been disconected".....not sure what I'm doing wrong and would be glad of some advice. All I'm trying to do is copy and paste them over to the phone card.

Anyone?

Can't explain that I'm afraid but I did read a while back that the files need to be synched through Windows Media Player and in the past that the file needs to pass a drm check before it will play - someone wrote even longer back that starting to play the fie on the PC so it checks drm, then moving it worked.
Do you get that message when moving anything else to your sd card?

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This is a problem to do with transferring large files rather than the HD2's ability to play the WMV files. Try connecting the HD2 in Disk Drive mode - it worked for me.

You might want to try searching this site for an application called myplayer - it makes accessing iPlayer a lot less painful and allows higher-quality downloads.

Dark Fire said:
This is a problem to do with transferring large files rather than the HD2's ability to play the WMV files. Try connecting the HD2 in Disk Drive mode - it worked for me.
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And has just worked for me as well. Many thanks

Shasarak said:
You might want to try searching this site for an application called myplayer - it makes accessing iPlayer a lot less painful and allows higher-quality downloads.
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mPlayer download high quality videos in .mov format, for some strange reason it didn't want to play with my latest coreplayer. It was bit let down like

hassan said:
mPlayer download high quality videos in .mov format, for some strange reason it didn't want to play with my latest coreplayer. It was bit let down like
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Really? Odd. Have you tried playing them in TCPMP?

Shasarak said:
Really? Odd. Have you tried playing them in TCPMP?
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I've tried that, and it just crashes my device when I try to play stuff.

Shasarak said:
Really? Odd. Have you tried playing them in TCPMP?
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No i didn't really as i hate the UI, but if you thing it may work I'll install it tonight.
After downloading very long episode of East Enders other night and couldn't play it, it made me bit scared of trying again. I'll give it an other go any way.

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I've tried that, and it just crashes my device when I try to play stuff.
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Did you set the video renderer to GDI?

Shasarak said:
Did you set the video renderer to GDI?
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I didn't - do I need to? I've just reinstalled TCPMP and now it won't run at all...

This may not solve your problem but you can use the BBC iPlayer on the HD2 with a simple change of settings. See point number 36 in the *Leo Hints & Tips* - Things you may not have known.

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I didn't - do I need to? I've just reinstalled TCPMP and now it won't run at all...
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TCPMP is more likely to be stable (i.e. not crash or lock up the phone) in GDI or Raw Framebuffer mode. So is CorePlayer, come to that.
If TCPMP is crashing before it even lets get you into the menu, that may be because it's trying to display the opening frame of the video that you previously told it to play, and doing that in DirectDraw mode. You can get around that by temporarily moving or renaming whichever file it's trying to display.

I have myPlayer and Coreplayer.
With myPlayer you get the latest viewable content ... but can search for anything. If you have the iPlayer website open that may be easier to search.
Once you've found what you want, just use myPlayer to download over wireless to your device (you can also stream for instant playback (even over 3g).
myPlayer has a view downloads screen with all the programmes you've downloaded. You select one, say view now ... it launches Coreplayer ... and it plays perfectly.
Never had a problem. This is infact one of the most amazingly together capabilities of the HD2 with this huge screen. In the evening I choose something to watch on the train on the way to the city the next day ... love it.
Paul.

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This may not solve your problem but you can use the BBC iPlayer on the HD2 with a simple change of settings. See point number 36 in the *Leo Hints & Tips* - Things you may not have known.
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I'd rather download the videos than stream them, so I don't have to worry about signal strength while I'm watching stuff...
Shasarak said:
TCPMP is more likely to be stable (i.e. not crash or lock up the phone) in GDI or Raw Framebuffer mode. So is CorePlayer, come to that.
If TCPMP is crashing before it even lets get you into the menu, that may be because it's trying to display the opening frame of the video that you previously told it to play, and doing that in DirectDraw mode. You can get around that by temporarily moving or renaming whichever file it's trying to display.
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OK. I tried moving the file, but it's still crashing. I'll uninstall it again, later, and delete any settings that are left behind in the registry. And when I get TCPMP working again, I'll give those other modes a go.

Having got iplayer downloads to play on my HD2 having put them on the sd card I'm now having some playback problems.
Basically the quality of the picture and the sound is fine in principal but upon playback on WMP the programme pauses or sticks every second or so. The pause is only for a fraction of a second, just enough for the picture to momentarily catch or stick before continuing. I could live with this but at the same time the sound is also distorted making programmes unwatchable. If downloaded to my PC the same programmes are fine, it's not the download itself it's just once on the phone thats the problem.
Tried various programmes, all the same. Tried downloading direct from iplayer site to the card, still occurs.
Could this be a card problem. It's a sandisk 8Gb SDHC card. Any ideas?

I configured Opera to try direct streaming from iPlayer ... and it worked fine althought he picture was a little pixelated.
I know CorePlayer is a cost ... but if iPlayer is important to you, the combination of myPlayer and Coreplayer for iPlayer (and other channels) is incredibly simply ... live streaming is better quality ... and the download manager is completely seemless. Quality of downloaded video is genuinely perfect ... as good as anything at high bit rates I have on my Archos AV5100.
All I can say is that if you can stretch to Coreplayer ... I'd go with myPlayer.
Going through the website for either streaming or download (even on a PC) is so much more clunky.
Paul.

pgamble said:
All I can say is that if you can stretch to Coreplayer ... I'd go with myPlayer.
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I haven't tried this on an HD2, but on my TP2 you can quite good results from myplayer without having to buy CorePlayer; I use Streaming Media Player for streaming, and TCPMP to play the .mov downloads.

is it normal for iplayer to be blurry???

I just got me a hd2, and really want BBC iplayer to be better... I have changed the opera config so I allows it to play, but most programs are blurry and low qaulity. I have played the same tv program(top gear) through YouTube and the quality is great.. is this the same for everyone??? is it low quality due to iplayer thinking its the HD not HD2 and sending lower grade files??? I also saw in properties its 300x175, is it just a case of waiting for the BBC to upgrade it for the hd2??? any info or help would be great thanks.

bumpty... is there nobody who watches iplayer????

its been 12 hours since you posted the topic does it really need a bump already?
have you tried the myplayer application instead?

mine is blurry as well. would be great if someone can point out what settings are needed to make it download media with higher resolutions

I have tried myplayer and it's also 300x175, not exactly great, especially compared to what it looks like on the Iphone.
Anyone got this working with higher resolution on the HD2?

It's fairly blurry, yes. The standard iPlayer resolution for mobile devices is something like 320x176. The HD2 almost certainly isn't powerful enough to play back iPlayer material intended to be played on desktop PCs. You may find that downloading the "mobile" wmv file using a desktop PC gives slightly better quality - the resolution is the same, but the bit-rate is probably higher. The best option is probably to use the myplayer application - it offers .mov downloads on some (not all) programmes which are 480x270 resolution, and with a much higher bit-rate. That should look as good as the iPhone does, at least. Note that download quality and streaming quality are very different using myplayer.

Richy99 said:
its been 12 hours since you posted the topic does it really need a bump already?
have you tried the myplayer application instead?
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yes.
was there a need for you to reply, especially as u don't know anything about it..?

any way, thx to the peeps for the info.. looks like we will have to wait for BBC to upgrade for hd2 just strange that YouTube qaulity is so much better!

beyondthought said:
any way, thx to the peeps for the info.. looks like we will have to wait for BBC to upgrade for hd2 just strange that YouTube qaulity is so much better!
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You'll have a long wait. Phones like the Touch Pro2 and Touch Diamond2 still aren't officially supported despite having been out since last April. If you expect to get better playback quality out of iPlayer on any mobile device than you can get using myplayer's download facility (which gives much better quality than streaming) then you'll have an even longer wait.
It's probably partly a rights management thing. YouTube tends to play rather fast and loose with copyright violations: stuff gets put up there and then, if someone feels that it violates their copyright, they ask YouTube to take it down. iPlayer, on the other hand, has to be much more careful: anything you download and play is supposed to expire and become unplayable within 7 days, and anything you download and don't play expires within 30 days. Enforcing this sets some limits on the video formats that iPlayer can use.

You also have to consider the iPhone's smaller resolution and physical screen size will make iPlayer content look sharper even if the HD2 was running exactly the same video, especially if you're running it in full screen on the HTC. It's one of the few drawbacks of the HD2's 480x800 display.

its better quality over wifi

I found a way to play iplayer videos on the HD2 with the same quality like being found on the Iphone (actually looks better because of the big screen), it's an off-line solution though and requires a PC.
Go here and download the application:
http://po-ru.com/projects/iplayer-downloader/
Run the application (no install needed) and open the iplayer site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer
Search for the desired show and paste the link to the programme ID field of the application.
Click Download and browse to the folder you want the file to be saved to, hit Save and the video will be saved as a .mov file with H.264 video and mp3 audio(no DRM).
To be able to play it on the HD2 simple rename the file extension from .mov to mp4, save it to your HD2 microSD card and enjoy the DRM free video in its 480x272 glory with either the HTC Video player or WMP.
Keep in mind you need to be in the UK to access the streams or at least use a server in the UK (like UKiVPN or something similar).

razorblader said:
I found a way to play iplayer videos on the HD2 with the same quality like being found on the Iphone (actually looks better because of the big screen), it's an off-line solution though and requires a PC.
Go here and download the application:
http://po-ru.com/projects/iplayer-downloader/
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That's doing exactly the same thing as myplayer, I think - although I've never tried renaming the .mov downloads from myplayer to give them a .mp4 file extension. I'll have to give that a try.

Probably but with this solution you can download pretty much every video, not just the ones offered for download by the myplayer application.
In addition, myplayer doesn't display streamed content in 480x270, at least it doesn't for me.

Shasarak said:
renaming the .mov downloads from myplayer to give them a .mp4 file extension. I'll have to give that a try.
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It's a bit of a crude hack but it works. One could extract the streams from the .mov file with e.g. Yamb and remux them as .mp4 to do it properly.

razorblader said:
I have tried myplayer and it's also 300x175, not exactly great, especially compared to what it looks like on the Iphone.
Anyone got this working with higher resolution on the HD2?
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Hi - going slightly OT here but.. - could you explain how you managed to get the iPayer feeds to work via myPlayer and Coreplayer on the HD2? I just can't get it to work - latest version everything (ROM 1.48, myPlayer 6th Dec, CorePlayer v1.3.6).
In fact I can't get Coreplayer to view any RSTS feeds??
(thanks)

SimonW500 said:
Hi - going slightly OT here but.. - could you explain how you managed to get the iPayer feeds to work via myPlayer and Coreplayer on the HD2? I just can't get it to work - latest version everything (ROM 1.48, myPlayer 6th Dec, CorePlayer v1.3.6).
In fact I can't get Coreplayer to view any RSTS feeds??
(thanks)
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That's strange, I am using Coreplayer with mostly standard settings, Video is set to GDI with smooth zoom always on, works without a hitch.
Do you get an error message, does CP start at all? Have you checked if the path to CP has been set properly in the Myplayer application?
If you haven't try streaming via the myplayer server and see if that makes a difference.

razorblader said:
That's strange, I am using Coreplayer with mostly standard settings, Video is set to GDI with smooth zoom always on, works without a hitch.
Do you get an error message, does CP start at all? Have you checked if the path to CP has been set properly in the Myplayer application?
If you haven't try streaming via the myplayer server and see if that makes a difference.
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Through some trial & error this evening (ie. some time to kill on a train!) I solved the problem: you need to go into CorePlayer > Menu > Tools > Settings > Select Page > Network (obvious so far!) > then UNTICK "Prefer UDP streaming" = bingo.. BBC iPlayer links now work (as do RTSP streams in general)!
Now - this takes us back to the original question which I'm suspecting will be harder if not impossible to solve, at least in the short term - the poor quality of the blocky feed!

Glad to hear you got it to work. The 'prefer UDP streaming' selected doesn't really cause any trouble in my case, so go figure.
I read that Myplayer selects the lower quality stream available as it was intended to be used with older/less powerful phones in the first place.
The Wifi setting doesn't really make a difference in quality in my case.
Would be great, if the higher quality stream could be selected from within the application.

razorblader said:
Probably but with this solution you can download pretty much every video, not just the ones offered for download by the myplayer application.
In addition, myplayer doesn't display streamed content in 480x270, at least it doesn't for me.
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You can't stream 480x270 content using iplayer-downloader either. The 480x270 stuff is for downloads only, regardless of method.
As for "pretty much every video" if you read the small-print for iplayer-downloader you'll see this:
It won’t download every programme that’s on the iPlayer website, because they’re not always available. Sometimes, this is by design (as in the case of expensive US series like Heroes); sometimes it’s due to omission or transient problems. In addition, it can’t currently download the embedded videos that are not part of the main iPlayer offering.
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I'm fairly sure it's doing exactly the same thing - impersonating an iPhone.
The two complement each other - myplayer lets you get hold of the download directly onto your phone over wifi (or, in principle, over 3G, although you'd use up your data allowance pretty fast that way!) while iplayer-downloader lets you download over your domestic ADSL connection and copy to the phone - both are potentially useful.
Oh and the renaming trick does work for stuff downloaded using myplayer as well. Thanks for that tip: playback in HTCAlbum is hugely much better than in TCPMP and noticeably better than in Coreplayer.

[Q] Are you able to watch 1080p movies with Nexus 10?

Hi,
When I bought the Nexus 10, my original thought was to use it to watch movies. Meaning, stream video from my pc using the wifi LAN (I also thought to use it as a streamer by connecting it to my TV via HDMI, but that's another story).
However, this doesn't work right. There are many movies that appear laggy/jumpy/buggy on the Nexus 10 itself (even without connecting it to a TV via HDMI).
Especially when I try to play high quality 1080p mkv files (about 10GB-15GB per movie). I don't have issues with lower quality 720p movies/series, but half the 1080p movies I just can't play right.
I have tried the following players: MX player, BS player, VLC beta, XMBC for android.
My benchmark is Avatar (exteneded) mkv 1080p, a 15GB size file. The only player that was able to play it is BS player, and only when I set it to use the "experimental HW decoding". But even that way, the fps seems to be a bit low. All other players play this movie like a powerpoint presentation, slide by slide...
I thought that the Nexus 10 hardware is strong enough to play 1080p movies. But now I'm not sure. Is it hardware limitation? is it the players fault that doesn't use properly the N10 hardware?
I a bit frustrated here, any help is appreciated!

did you try to put the file on your N10 instead of streaming it? That will rule out any potential WIFI bottleneck which may occur with files that size. Just to be sure. I cannot offer any other advice unfortunately.

Animor said:
Hi,
When I bought the Nexus 10, my original thought was to use it to watch movies. Meaning, stream video from my pc using the wifi LAN (I also thought to use it as a streamer by connecting it to my TV via HDMI, but that's another story).
However, this doesn't work right. There are many movies that appear laggy/jumpy/buggy on the Nexus 10 itself (even without connecting it to a TV via HDMI).
Especially when I try to play high quality 1080p mkv files (about 10GB-15GB per movie). I don't have issues with lower quality 720p movies/series, but half the 1080p movies I just can't play right.
I have tried the following players: MX player, BS player, VLC beta, XMBC for android.
My benchmark is Avatar (exteneded) mkv 1080p, a 15GB size file. The only player that was able to play it is BS player, and only when I set it to use the "experimental HW decoding". But even that way, the fps seems to be a bit low. All other players play this movie like a powerpoint presentation, slide by slide...
I thought that the Nexus 10 hardware is strong enough to play 1080p movies. But now I'm not sure. Is it hardware limitation? is it the players fault that doesn't use properly the N10 hardware?
I a bit frustrated here, any help is appreciated!
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Have you tried MX player's hw+ mode? Also try dice player. I have tried a higher resolution than 1080 and it worked fine in MX but it was mp4!

As I have no bluray remuxes or space on my tablet to try them, I have downloaded the test video called "Birds" from here, 40 mbps bluray remux and with MX player I can play it using HW codec with no stutter or lag. With SW Codec it has stutter and through network stream from PC with SW codec it stutters as well, and HW codec doesn't seem to work at all through network stream
I hope this helps.

Thank you all for your help!
I have made several trials according to your advices. The problem is indeed the wifi.
I have copied a movie that didn't run well through wifi to my N10 ("The Host" - 12GB), and it ran just fine with both BS and MX!
I have also tried "birds" from the post above me. When I tried to run it through wifi:
- MX player with hw+ was completely stuck on the first picture.
- BS player with experimental decoding was very bad, but a bit better than MX.
I have tried it with the N10 very close to the router, so it's not bad wifi reception.
When I copied "birds" file to my N10, it ran just fine with both MX and BS. Since it's 40mps bluray, it's much heavier than any of my 10-15GB movies in terms of mpbs.
Anyway, the problem is indeed caused by the wifi, which is a major bottleneck. Now the question is where is exactly the problem: the router (I have N type router)? N10 wifi? my computer wired Ethernet connection to the router?
How do regular streamers work with 1080p content?
Can I do anything to fix this bottleneck? Perhaps a better router?
What if I use usb OTG and connect USB DOK directly to the N10, do you think it may work?
Thanks again for your help!

Ah glad you got it to work finally. Yes the router can play a part in it, however if you are happy with your wifi setup otherwise (stability, range etc) I would not change the router just for this. There is no guarantee that a different router may indeed play your file without hiccups. It may also be that the tablet wifi is not up to the task of streaming the movies, but this is just an assumption on my part.
The cheapest solution, while not the most comfortable one, would be to use an OTG cable and a nice 64GB USB stick and just fill that with movies when you want to watch them. Maybe you can find more info on the net regarding streaming and wifi issues and solutions, but be ready to drop some cash for those routers.
EDIT: there is some good info in this thread http://forums.smallnetbuilder.com/showthread.php?t=7761
EDIT2: and here http://forums.smallnetbuilder.com/showthread.php?t=2755

I have the same router type N, cheap one that came free from my ISP, talktalk, and exactly the same issues when trying to play through network. I know that when trying to copy something through LAN from my PC to my tablet via ES File Explorer, it only downloads at 300KB/s, which is slower then when I download something off the internet at 1.8MB/s (which is the maximum I get from my ISP) so this leads me to believe that the problem isn't the router, because it can download fast enough for 1080p (maybe not fast enough for that "birds" test at 40mbps, though) this leaves the protocol that android uses to talk to windows PC, the Samba share or something like that.
Do you use windows as well? I'm thinking of trying to stream through a linux share, see how that goes.

I also use Windows - I've defined a user with password on windows and I connect to the workgroup on my pc with it. Perhaps you are right and this is the issue. Please update if you find a faster way to stream.
What if we use an external hdd which will connect to the router? You think it might help?
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Animor said:
I also use Windows - I've defined a user with password on windows and I connect to the workgroup on my pc with it. Perhaps you are right and this is the issue. Please update if you find a faster way to stream.
What if we use an external hdd which will connect to the router? You think it might help?
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 4
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Hey, I've made some good progress.
I downloaded an app called MediaHouse UPnP / DLNA Browser from app store and a uPnP server (I used XBMC - all I had to do to set it up after installing it was to add my movies folder under videos and then go into system>settings>services>uPnP and select share video and libraries trough UPnP) and that's it. Then I just open MediaHouse on my Nexus 10 (leave xbmc in background on pc) and browse my files... It works much better then the normal share: I can play movies that I couldn't play before with MX Player and play them using HW+ decoder. The "Birds" demo isn't great but it's much better, I had the best results using bs player, but still a bit laggy, but since you say your videos aren't quite that high in bitrate, maybe you'll get lucky.
I hope this helps. Bye

bv90andy said:
Hey, I've made some good progress.
I downloaded an app called MediaHouse UPnP / DLNA Browser from app store and a uPnP server (I used XBMC - all I had to do to set it up after installing it was to add my movies folder under videos and then go into system>settings>services>uPnP and select share video and libraries trough UPnP) and that's it. Then I just open MediaHouse on my Nexus 10 (leave xbmc in background on pc) and browse my files... It works much better then the normal share: I can play movies that I couldn't play before with MX Player and play them using HW+ decoder. The "Birds" demo isn't great but it's much better, I had the best results using bs player, but still a bit laggy, but since you say your videos aren't quite that high in bitrate, maybe you'll get lucky.
I hope this helps. Bye
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Thank you, this is indeed a very good progress. I was able to play 1080p movies!
Only problem is I can't stream .srt subtitles files along with the movie. The srt file is at the same directory of the movie. XMBC on my pc plays the subtitles, but on my N10 using MediaHouse, it's just being ignored.
Any advice?

Animor said:
Thank you, this is indeed a very good progress. I was able to play 1080p movies!
Only problem is I can't stream .srt subtitles files along with the movie. The srt file is at the same directory of the movie. XMBC on my pc plays the subtitles, but on my N10 using MediaHouse, it's just being ignored.
Any advice?
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OK, apparently uPnP doesn't support subtitles, but I have been able to copy the sub file over, normally, using ES file explorer and then, after you load the movie via mediahouse, in mx player you can click on menu>subtitles>open and select the file from your local storage where you saved it.
I hope this works.
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Thank you. This is not so comfortable, but I guess it should work.
I have posted a question to the author of mediaHouse, perhaps there is a more elegant solution...

Animor said:
Thank you all for your help!
I have made several trials according to your advices. The problem is indeed the wifi.
I have copied a movie that didn't run well through wifi to my N10 ("The Host" - 12GB), and it ran just fine with both BS and MX!
I have also tried "birds" from the post above me. When I tried to run it through wifi:
- MX player with hw+ was completely stuck on the first picture.
- BS player with experimental decoding was very bad, but a bit better than MX.
I have tried it with the N10 very close to the router, so it's not bad wifi reception.
When I copied "birds" file to my N10, it ran just fine with both MX and BS. Since it's 40mps bluray, it's much heavier than any of my 10-15GB movies in terms of mpbs.
Anyway, the problem is indeed caused by the wifi, which is a major bottleneck. Now the question is where is exactly the problem: the router (I have N type router)? N10 wifi? my computer wired Ethernet connection to the router?
How do regular streamers work with 1080p content?
Can I do anything to fix this bottleneck? Perhaps a better router?
What if I use usb OTG and connect USB DOK directly to the N10, do you think it may work?
Thanks again for your help!
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Here is an alternate OTG solution that I use for HD content of all types.(OTG USB Gigabit Ethernet adapter). Just a thought. Note that the drivers for this adapter are in the stock ROM.
http://goo.gl/v2nwLa

I've found another solution:
Using MKVmerge, you can easily merge mkv and srt file. It takes only 2-3 minutes for a movie. Output file is mkv file with embedded subtitles. I've checked it and MX player shows the subtitles just fine via MediaHouse.
Download from here.

Hi!
It took a while but I read the whole thread! I'm happy that you mostly solved your issue, about the Wi-Fi issue it's caused by your LAN speed, I use my old Xoom as media server here, sometimes it becomes really laggy, I solved this problem connecting both the devices (Nexus 10 and Xoom) on my S4 hotspot, believe this is FAST! Using SuperBeam app I usually get from 35-40Mbps. I think most of the android phones with hotspot functionality may have good speeds.
I use Bubble UPnP BTW! Also, if you think too uncomfortable having to manually select your subtitle, I believe BS Player still downloads it automatically and put on auto too. It used to do this with me, I don't know if it still downloads .
Well, those are just some more alternatives you may want to try . As there are some good solutions over there!
All the best,
~Lord

Great news, people!
 @bv90andy
I have found a way to stream external srt subtitles along with the movie, using uPnP.
Apparently, only some uPnP media servers and clients support it. In addition, only some movie players can extract this information when streamed through uPnP. I've found several such uPnP media servers, but most of them require payment after a trial period. However, I've managed to find one that doesn't!
So, in order to stream videos with external srt, you need the following:
1. Serviio on you PC.
2. BubbleUPnP on your android device.
3. MX player on your android device.
4. The srt file should have the same name of the movie file, and they have to reside both at the same directory in your PC.
Enjoy!
ps:
XxLordxX said:
about the Wi-Fi issue it's caused by your LAN speed
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You are mistaken - read again the thread. The bottleneck is not the LAN speed or the router, it's smb/cisf protocol, which is too slow to stream 1080p videos. Using uPnP protocol instead of smb/cisf, over the same LAN and with the same router, we have managed to solves the issue.

Animor said:
Great news, people!
@bv90andy
I have found a way to stream external srt subtitles along with the movie, using uPnP.
Apparently, only some uPnP media servers and clients support it. In addition, only some movie players can extract this information when streamed through uPnP. I've found several such uPnP media servers, but most of them require payment after a trial period. However, I've managed to find one that doesn't!
So, in order to stream videos with external srt, you need the following:
1. Serviio on you PC.
2. BubbleUPnP on your android device.
3. MX player on your android device.
4. The srt file should have the same name of the movie file, and they have to reside both at the same directory in your PC.
Enjoy!
ps:You are mistaken - read again the thread. The bottleneck is not the LAN speed or the router, it's smb/cisf protocol, which is too slow to stream 1080p videos. Using uPnP protocol instead of smb/cisf, over the same LAN and with the same router, we have managed to solves the issue.
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Thanks for sharing that.