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Has anyone tried fitting the Diamond battery and battery cover onto the Raphael? If so how much size did you save, and could you post some pics showing off the slimmer width?
the camera part of the phone is as wide as it is. A new battery or cover wont reduce that. The TP cant be made smaller.
Haha yeah, the North American casing of the Diamond is all that's thicker because of the battery cover, you can slim down with that and a smaller battery if you want. As for the Touch Pro, it has something that makes it a tad bit thicker than the Diamond... A full keyboard. :O
Jiggs1337 said:
the camera part of the phone is as wide as it is. A new battery or cover wont reduce that. The TP cant be made smaller.
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That's too bad, I was really hopiing the smaller diamond battery and battery cover could shave some of the Touch Pro's fat.
I'm up for an upgrade on my ATT account, and I really can't figure out whether to upgrade to the Touch Pro and sell my Touch Chruise for a small profit or to just sell the Touch Pro for a huge profit. Clearly the TP is the better device, but it isn't a leaps and bounds upgrade, with the keyboard being the only real substantiative upgrade. If the Touch Pro had a larger screen like the X1 or was as slim or slimmer than my Touch Crusie, this would be such an easier decision...
Why not sell both and get a Diamond? It does most of what the Pro does, and it's smaller than the Cruise.
Smaniac said:
Why not sell both and get a Diamond? It does most of what the Pro does, and it's smaller than the Cruise.
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Because the Diamond doesn't have an SD slot. I use my phone as my mp3 player, and I honestly need over 16GB to be able to fit everything I want. I get annoyed at the limited storage on my 8GB card as it is.
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Because the Diamond doesn't have an SD slot. I use my phone as my mp3 player, and I honestly need over 16GB to be able to fit everything I want. I get annoyed at the limited storage on my 8GB card as it is.
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I see, for some people 4 GB just isn't enough, and I'm also one of them, the lack of a card slot is a very serious drawback.
How is the screen sensitivity on the Magic.. Is it like the HTC Diamond or the Iphone?
I'm guessing it's the same as the G1/Dream, which is similar to the iPhone. The Diamond uses a resistive touch screen as opposed to the capacitive ones of Magic/Dream/iPhone. Capacitive is much more sensitive and responsive.
I would assume that as well, but would REALLY like to know for sure from someone who has used it as soon as anyone can comment on it.
just like iPhone mate.
I got a HTC magic from Vodafone in the UK yesterday and I've been playing with it pretty much non stop since
I previously had a HTC Kaiser (running a version of Android ported by dzo on this forum) and the screen on the Magic is considerably more sensitive. In fact at first I found it a bit difficult to use as I was applying way too much pressure (you use a lot less on a capacitive screen than on a resistive screen like most win mo phones).
I've compared it with my housemates HTC G1 and the screen does seem a tad more responsive to lighter touches. My only complaint is that I find swiping motions can sometimes be a bit difficult as there can be a bit of friction between my finger and the screen surface. Not that bad, it just feels a little uncomfortable at first.
My iphone was much more reponsive. Found myself missing letters on the magic keyboard due to not pressing hard enough.
I've got HTC Kaiser and Blackberry Storm (the latter goes back to store tomorrow for being crap phone). The screen on Magic is much more sensitive than on Kaiser and similar to the one on Storm (apart from that dreadful 'clicky' thing). Overall I am very pleased by it.
I have the iPhone 3G and the magic.
And the Sony X1.
The magic screen is not very responsive.
Many letters are not recognized.
The iPhone ones is much better.
I think the config has to be changed.
All in all I am disappointed. I hat the G1 and the whole system was much faster than the magic ones.
I sende it home to vodafone.
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I have the iPhone 3G and the magic.
And the Sony X1.
The magic screen is not very responsive.
Many letters are not recognized.
The iPhone ones is much better.
I think the config has to be changed.
All in all I am disappointed. I hat the G1 and the whole system was much faster than the magic ones.
I sende it home to vodafone.
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That DOES sound like a faulty unit, as all other reviews I've seen say it is more responsive than the G1.
disclaimer: I don't have my hands on the Magic yet.
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no, I tested another in the shop and it is the same.
I guess you only realize it when you have the other device too for testing
69reichertm said:
I have the iPhone 3G and the magic.
I hat the G1 and the whole system was much faster than the magic ones.
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So Android in general is running faster on the HTC Dream than on the Magic? The Magic has the same processor as the Dream and more RAM - then the difference in performance must be due to the Magic sporting Android 1.5 Cupcake?
I'm running a cupcake rom on my g1 and its faster than befor. So I don't think that's it. I don't have nor have seen a real magic. But the would not be becase of cupcake
M in total confusion which one to buy
I liked d bigger screen of htc pro 2 and 5 row keypad over 4 rows of x1...
But I really really miss the 3.5 mm jack on touch pro2
I have heard there is a-gps lag inX1 ?? is it true??
Tp2 n X1 both are sexy... Awesome mobiles but x1s made of metal which is really cool..
Hardware specs are almost same except these two differences...
Which would you ppl prefer ?????
I prefer dat dere X1
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I prefer dat dere X1
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Xperia I would suggest. But once the Touch Pro 3 comes out... for sure you have to get Touch Pro 3.
To me, Touch Pro 2 is nothing more than a variation, rather than a big improvement. Then again, I have never Touched a Pro 2.
two words for Ya: form factor. my previous pda was kaiser and before that I had hermes. I always thought that they are both quite small for pda, but then I took my friends xperia into my hands. boy, now that was a difference. not to mention metal housing, I finally don't look like I am holding a huge brick by my ear while on the phone. other specs are also ok, the only thing I miss is tv out, but I can live without it.
to be completely fair, read a lot before choosing xperia. some are getting nasty cracks on plastic parts (replacable under warranty) and phone needs to be tweaked a bit to become a real rocket.
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two words for Ya: form factor. my previous pda was kaiser and before that I had hermes. I always thought that they are both quite small for pda, but then I took my friends xperia into my hands. boy, now that was a difference. not to mention metal housing, I finally don't look like I am holding a huge brick by my ear while on the phone. other specs are also ok, the only thing I miss is tv out, but I can live without it.
to be completely fair, read a lot before choosing xperia. some are getting nasty cracks on plastic parts (replacable under warranty) and phone needs to be tweaked a bit to become a real rocket.
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Most of the Xperia is plastic housing inside and out. The metal is mostly the battery cover and the thin area that surrounds the screen.
I'd say try both. I've got an Xperia, and I'm going to get a Pro2 and see what suits me best.
The advantages I see for the TP2 are:
- Significantly bigger screen
- Probably much better keyboard
- Tilting screen (loved it on my kaiser!)
- Quality speakerphone & conference calls could be useful sometimes
Advantages of X1:
- Smaller size & weight
- D-pad and optical joystick
- 3.5mm headphone jack
- If you don't have one yet, it's much cheaper than TP2 if bought 2nd hand (£250 ish on ebay)
I'll give the TP2 a go then sell the one I don't want to keep, but I'd recommend you try both out and see what you like, as in terms of overall capabilities they'll do almost exacrtly the same things.
which better HTC Touch Pro or HTC Touch Diamond2 ?
now i have HTC Touch Pro, can buy HTC Touch Diamond2, which better
and why?
2 is always better than 1, right?
Strictly in terms of specs, the TD2 outclasses the TP, but there is a Touch Pro 2 available, which just ever so slightly outclasses the TD2. However, it is heavier, larger, and more expensive. From there, it depends on how badly you need a 'real' keyboard.
The only advantage of the Touch Diamond 2 is the slim size (and longer WVGA screen vs. TP). I prefer the more solid feel of the Touch Pro, and after seeing the Tilt 2 (TP2) today, it's definitely a better phone than the Pure (TD2).
Interestingly, the Pure demo phone at the AT&T store had an unresponsive screen. They said it was the second one that had failed. It could have been from their security controls, since I haven't heard of the TD2 having a bad screen.
i was trying to figure that out myself. td2 or tilt2. i havent played with the tilt 2 yet. i bought the pure and love it. like everyone else says is the keyboard and the more cost worth it. to me it wasnt. i bought the fuze when it first came out. i rarely used the keyboard. so a keyboard wasnt that important to me. either way i think there both good phones and you'll be happy with either one.
The TP is not equal to D2. TP is the equal to Diamond1.
So it's D2 of course.
For me, the absence of a real keyboard was offset by the Diamond 2 being slimmer, lighter, and narrower, and therefore fits easily in your pocket with a silicone cover protecting the case.
I rarely wear a jacket to work, so I can't put it in any larger pocket, and since dropping my Himalaya about 4 years ago and smashing the screen, I've not trusted belt clips (fastening broke).
I had the original tilt, got it when it first came out. I really liked the phone. I loved the tilt up screen for video viewing. Im a pocket carrier so the only complaint I had was the size. It was a bit bulky in the front pocket. This time around I got the pure and am loving it so far as well. Definitely feels better in the pocket. Love the 5mp cam. Not sure what the tilt 2 is equipped with. Have deleted many unwanted programs to free up space and helps immensely with lag as others have complained about. Was majorly disappointed that it doesnt support all flash as I was under the impression from the pre-release descriptions. So far thats my only complaint.
I used to face question as same as yours when i decided to buy a new phone to instead of my old hurricane. Between TD2 and TP, finally i choose the first one.
guys. it was pure JOY to be an owner of SE Xperia, but enough is enough. I just got another cracks so I've decided to let it go and got myself new htc hd2.
seriously, typing in landscape on it is not that bad and comparable speed/accuracy wise with that not so perfect x1 physical qwerty. btw... speed. snapdragon. do I need to say more?
anyway... I guess no x2 for me after what I've seen on videos. no n900 either, even if I was considering getting one. x2 is daaaamn tooo slooooooww (seems to stutter even more than x1) and n900 unfortunately is a one big bug and shortcoming.
wish me luck...
see You on other parts of the forum. bye...
BTW: anyone knows what've happened with orelsi?? I almost miss that crazy bugger always knowing better... maybe his xperia finally cracked and he commited seppuku?? lol
lol good luck with your hd2, im thinking of buying one myself as a second device
btw, i too was wondering what happened to orelsi lol, havent seen him around here for a while, let's hope he aint clocked out
Well always good luck with the device you wish beeing the best for you.
Capactive screen is like seppuku for me,
As for HD2.
Actually I wonder more and more often what will I do in the future.
Even considering that I'll get my X2, I assume capactive will become
a ****ing tendency soon.
In this case I don't imagine using TouchScreen anymore!
well there will be two of us ... i hate so much capacitive ... but there might be some explanation for this ... my hands get really wet often and touching with the sensitive part of my fingers and swaping around gives me the nerves so i always touch the screen with the nails or top finger ... and not to mention the stylus problem ... I hope there are more people who dislike this thing... Ive heard there are also screens hybrid ... capacitive and resistive screens around.
And what the hell ... I dont get it this finger typing is by default non precise how can you make objects so big that you can use only your finger in such a small screen ... Web pages are not so big and with buttons there are also links ...
This is all Iphone fault
the snapdragon really makes a big difference in the speed and performace compared to slow x1 doesnt it??
i too dumped my x1 for a snapdragon phone. the lower-profile acer s200. lol. (hd2 a tad too big for me).
now i can watch hq wmv videos with no stutter at all.
i was looking at that phone as a replacement but just cant afford a new one when the x1a is still fullfilling my needs.
good luck with that phone, looking forward to reading your xperience (pun intended) with the hd2. hopefully next year i will replace my x1a with the hd2 or maybe an hd2 pro in the future.
well... still here. waiting for hd2 (delivery on monday, great deal with o2).
do not get me wrong, as I am not trying to convert anyone to hd2, but this whole need for resistive screen and real qwerty is becoming less and less obvious for me.
capacitive screen, read - toughened glass, hard to scratch, forces companies like ms to improve ui on their systems. see... the only good uses for styli are handwriting (are You handwriting with Your mouse on a pc?) and drawing (again, are You so much better with drawing using mouse on a pc comparing to sketches made with finger on a capacitive touch screen??). imho multitouch is more important than stylus.
qwerty... well... again - do some tests as I did. spb keyboard 4.1.1 trial, landscape fullscreen with clicking sound for better typing feel. I couldn't believe my eyes, as it wasn't much slower (if it was at all) or less accurate.
all I'm going to miss is xperia's still shot quality. some pictures shot in daylight are comparable quality with real cameras, and not those ****ty ones.
... but hey. I won't have to convert videos anymore.
anyway... I will keep my x1 as a backup device and I'll come back in here to share my hd2perience from ex x1 user point of view.
btw, I am not beeing paid for it.
bronx said:
well... still here. waiting for hd2 (delivery on monday, great deal with o2).
do not get me wrong, as I am not trying to convert anyone to hd2, but this whole need for resistive screen and real qwerty is becoming less and less obvious for me.
capacitive screen, read - toughened glass, hard to scratch, forces companies like ms to improve ui on their systems. see... the only good uses for styli are handwriting (are You handwriting with Your mouse on a pc?) and drawing (again, are You so much better with drawing using mouse on a pc comparing to sketches made with finger on a capacitive touch screen??). imho multitouch is more important than stylus.
qwerty... well... again - do some tests as I did. spb keyboard 4.1.1 trial, landscape fullscreen with clicking sound for better typing feel. I couldn't believe my eyes, as it wasn't much slower (if it was at all) or less accurate.
all I'm going to miss is xperia's still shot quality. some pictures shot in daylight are comparable quality with real cameras, and not those ****ty ones.
... but hey. I won't have to convert videos anymore.
anyway... I will keep my x1 as a backup device and I'll come back in here to share my hd2perience from ex x1 user point of view.
btw, I am not beeing paid for it.
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i am torn between the HD2 and the X2
X2 = slow and keyboard
HD2 = Fast and no keybard
But i am so tempted to get the HD2 - to be honest i cant ever see my self using like the tilewave etc on x2 >.<
yeah... spb ms 3.5.x and manila are mos def better option than panels. have You tried that test with onscreen keys that I mentioned above? this and a visit in local o2 shop to get the feel of it convinced me to give it a go.
the last thing I was worried about was the lack of d-pad, but... honestly I do not play games much. other thing is that with recently hacked multitouch api apps like fpsece could use it in the future for virtual onscreen pad.
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BTW: anyone knows what've happened with orelsi?? I almost miss that crazy bugger always knowing better... maybe his xperia finally cracked and he commited seppuku?? lol
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I think he bought a 3GS and is ashamed to show his face around here.
lol... You actually may be right
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I think he bought a 3GS and is ashamed to show his face around here.
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that would be really funny if it were true.
I think I might upgrade to a N900 after I save enough money - the X1's reception issue is a nightmare, even after testing 8 radio versions. At least with Nokia there is assurance of reception quality - what use is a smartphone if I can't even access 3G?! Or any thing except for WiFi, for that matter. Reception is sporadic at best, and at worse it doesn't even pick up a signal but my Nokia does display full signal strength...
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BTW: anyone knows what've happened with orelsi?? I almost miss that crazy bugger always knowing better... maybe his xperia finally cracked and he commited seppuku?? lol
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I think he got 3 crack,
informatico said:
well there will be two of us ... i hate so much capacitive ... but there might be some explanation for this ... my hands get really wet often and touching with the sensitive part of my fingers and swaping around gives me the nerves so i always touch the screen with the nails or top finger ... and not to mention the stylus problem ... I hope there are more people who dislike this thing... Ive heard there are also screens hybrid ... capacitive and resistive screens around.
And what the hell ... I dont get it this finger typing is by default non precise how can you make objects so big that you can use only your finger in such a small screen ... Web pages are not so big and with buttons there are also links ...
This is all Iphone fault
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Well exactly my points.
I am not sure why everyone so upset with X1, except for kinda wimpy 7200 chip.
I like keyboard, and don't really care about resistive or capacitive touchscreen. I am fine with either.
The one thing I don't use that much, but I am certain I would greatly miss is the physical keyboard. I don't think I am going to switch until there is a full keyboard on a snapdragon.
The cracks that everyone complains about are really just a cosmetic issue, and I don't really care too much about it (although I did re-shell my phone to make it black).
It is always kind of interesting to me the various types of devices that people decide to get and why. For the most part I understand each individuals reasoning, but I am yet to be swayed that there is a better device for me.
If anyone knows of a full QWERTY hardware keyboard unit with a snapdragon that is on the horizon PLEASE let me know.
Also, I miss Orelsi in a weird way. I suppose it was just his belligerent insistence on his perspective. I bet he got an iPhone too,
EDIT: I forgot about one thing that greatly aggravated me (although I had same problem on Kaiser) was that the keyboard goes bad and needs cleaning. Because of that I reshelled because I figured if I am gonna tear it apart anyway I might as well make it look like new.
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If anyone knows of a full QWERTY hardware keyboard unit with a snapdragon that is on the horizon PLEASE let me know.
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actually there's one announced quite recently,LG eXpo GW820, 1 Ghz+qwerty,plus finger print security and a detachable projector as an optional accessory. it was initially announced for the american market and didnt mention european market,so we shall wait n see.
you might also want to keep an eye on toshiba n Acer as well,since they both got on the 1 Ghz ladder pretty early but havent make it go with qwerty yet.
btw,I am on the same boat with you, just want a decent processor with qwerty win mobile, not fussy about how advanced the bloody touch screen is going to be whatsoever...
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BTW: anyone knows what've happened with orelsi?? I almost miss that crazy bugger always knowing better... maybe his xperia finally cracked and he commited seppuku?? lol
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he said he was using his phone to get on the net as his pc broke, i bet his x1 broke (cracked) so he cant get on the net anymore lol
ok guys. I just got it.
wow... that's all I can say. all You nonbelievers go to Your local mobile phone stores to have a look. bit too large, but I'll get used to it. speed... omg, I never knew that winmo can be that snappy. it's so iphone 3gs fast and smooth that I think I'll jizz in my pants. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4)
one last thing, try it, and forget about anything other than snapdragon. seriously.
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actually there's one announced quite recently,LG eXpo GW820, 1 Ghz+qwerty,plus finger print security and a detachable projector as an optional accessory. it was initially announced for the american market and didnt mention european market,so we shall wait n see.
you might also want to keep an eye on toshiba n Acer as well,since they both got on the 1 Ghz ladder pretty early but havent make it go with qwerty yet.
btw,I am on the same boat with you, just want a decent processor with qwerty win mobile, not fussy about how advanced the bloody touch screen is going to be whatsoever...
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Yeah, actually I knew of that, but I am afraid of leaving XDA, so I guess I meant an HTC-based device with physical QWERTY and snapdragon
Nothing in particular against LG, but I am not sure I want to deal with their ugly iPhone-like interface.