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So now that HTC have told HD owner to go **** themslves (with regard to WM 6.5)

... do you, the devs of xda developers think it is feisable to run a WM 6.5 ROM at optimum performance on a Touch HD? Okay so we dont have the dedicated Windows Key, but surely we have the spec to run things such as the honeycomb

why ? Where told HTC to not suppport HTC Touch HD any further ?
hans

Did they? how silly of them.

dontworry key mapping is trivial

So, any links to back up that HTC won't release a updated rom?

link #1 - MS statement
"no devices in the market today will receive official 6.5 updates"
link #2 - HTC statement
"customers of the Touch Pro2 and Touch Diamond2 will get 6.5 upgrades for free"
So forget about official upgrade for out Blackstone..

So that means no WM6.5 with right updates for us huh?

No. To be honest, why should they? It's a major upgrade, and would cost HTC money to implement.
Bug fixes we are entitled to, not a new OS.

sorry to say
this has always been the same with WM.....
GET USED TO IT

Well I can't say that I'm particulary bothered about missing out on a free official upgrade to 6.5. From what I've seen so far Microsoft have just done what we've all be doing for some time now, that is making the OS more 'finger friendly'. I'm quite content with my HD now after installing some apps and tweaks to achieve this. Most from the pages of this wonderful forum.
And as for the honeycomb style today page.....they can keep it. Ugly!

To be honest why bother with 6.5 !!! Like all recent upgrades from MS it is just eye candy and nothing more...... Nothing radical or new just a knock off of the eye phone... The HTC Touch screen is more novel than MS....... Be nice if they innovated.....

Im not so bothered on the today section its the better finger menus i think will be good.

I think WM 6.5 looks great and IS A MUST for the Touch HD.
I also think it is absolutely customer ... off giving not wm 6.5 as a update - its ok to take money for it.
As you XDAlers always complain about apple - look at them - they improve the OS every 3 month and give new features and bug fiexes.
We with our nice HTC gadgets don-t get updates or new features.
I have my htc touch hd and love it, but the software is a hell of sloe any you can write as much as you want - WinMo 6.1 ist fuc... slow.
Take the G1 and see what the hardware is capable

69reichertm said:
complain about apple - look at them - they improve the OS every 3 month and give new features and bug fiexes.
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They have to. OS X Mobile does not have proper Bluetooth support, multitasking support, MMS support, copy&paste support, etc., so most advanced user are really angry.
Windows Mobile, on the other hand, is mature OS. There is not much reason to upgrade from Win Mobile 6.1 to 6.5.

I've already talked with the manager of the distributor (father of a friend) here in my country before I bought the phone. They really said that they will not give updates to get the 6.5. but if xda-devs can make a rom out of it, it still wont be official. Hopefully MS solves the auto answer call when taking out the phone, i hate using s2u2 cuz there are sometimes delay and wastes a couple of rings (caller side)

Come on guys. 6.5 ? Honeycomb interface and that is about it, right ? Who cares since most of advanced users use 3rd-party UI anyway. It has FingerMenu version too and IE 6, but they are already here on HD
And since Diamond2/Pro2 will have 6.5 - HD will have it too. May be not officially, but ...
Listen ... I had HTC Wizard with WM5, which had never been officially upgraded. Did not stop me from have it with WM6.1 Pretty sure even Wizard will have 6.5, why not HD ? Dont worry about it.

is the ui all that 6.5 will bring? no additional backend features/settings?

Till yesterday i wanted WM6.5 in HD badly... actually, i still want it.
But now what i really really really want is the new TF3D

Jesus. Are only novice users writing here You want WinMo 6.5 Head over to the ROM section of THIS forum and you will get at least 2 WinMo 6.5 ROM's TODAY They are with early BETA versions of the OS, so you can see things others will MAYBE see in 7-8 months. That's the really cool thing about HTC devices. You always get the good stuff first
On the other hand...HTC actually offers WinMo ugrades for premium phones. Many WinMo 5 phones (including my old Artemis) got an official WinMo 6 upgrade and my Polaris recieved WinMo 6.1 as did the Kaiser, HTC Touch etc.
So stop complaining. The VERY first WimMo 6.5 ALPHA leaked for the...Blue Angel. For those not knowing this great device: The Blue Angel is shipped originaly with WinMo 2003 (not even SE) and is 5 years old.

Here see a Video people demonstrating WM 6.5
http://video.golem.de/handy/1860/windows-mobile-6.5-mobile-world-congress-2009.html
Its not so well performing, as I hoped, maybe it'll get better.

TouchFlo (Manila) will die ... "HTC Sense" is on the way!

Hi everybody,
i just found this http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?id=103534&lang=1033
If you scroll down a little bit you'll find:
HTC Sense
Built on a culture of innovation and a passion to enhance peoples lives, HTC shapes the mobile experience around the individual. Debuting on the HTC Hero and available on all new HTC devices moving forward, Sense delivers on three basic principles: Make it Mine, Stay Close and Discover the Unexpected.
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A nice Video can be watched here (ok ... it's Hero => Android, but should look similiar on WinMo-Devices ... except Multi-Finger-Gestures)
Watch how it works with Flash here
IMHO this looks very promising
@Developers:
What do you think ... will this be running on our belowed Blackstones?
@Mods:
If this is the wrong Forum, please move this Thread.
Thanks in advice.
kind regards
fwt
PS: I'm off for a short Holiday ... better said long Weekend. Having some recreation!

fwt said:
Hi everybody,
i just found this http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?id=103534&lang=1033
If you scroll down a little bit you'll find:
A nice Video can be watched here (ok ... it's Hero => Android, but should look similiar on WinMo-Devices ... except Multi-Finger-Gestures)
Watch how it works with Flash here
IMHO this looks very promising
@Developers:
What do you think ... will this be running on our belowed Blackstones?
@Mods:
If this is the wrong Forum, please move this Thread.
Thanks in advice.
kind regards
fwt
PS: I'm off for a short Holiday ... better said long Weekend. Having some recreation!
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Looks promising but I think it would be a while before you would see this on a WM device

I bet that 90% of the cooked HD-roms will contain that interface within the next 6 months
And it looks very promising
greetz

It is new UI for Android OS, HTC loves to make UI for different OS
Windows Mobile ==> Touch FLO 3D
Android ==> HTC Sense
I love it's analog clock
I want it

Fallen Spartan said:
Looks promising but I think it would be a while before you would see this on a WM device
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Not THAT long.. they (HTC) are already pretty close. Shhhhhhh

touch flo is old now, we want to see something new on wm.

NRGZ28 said:
Not THAT long.. they (HTC) are already pretty close. Shhhhhhh
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That sounds petty cool !
Did your preview ROM (released as a preview around the 16th june) is built using Manila or is it a WM version of HTC sense ?
I used it a few hours and was very nice

Yep
That would be also cool if htc would make a plugin system for manila (on futur htc sense) like on WM6.5 main interface to make it easy to develop new tabs (I want a twitter tab )

NRGZ28 said:
Not THAT long.. they (HTC) are already pretty close. Shhhhhhh
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looks like you have seen something???

it won't take long until my blackstone is found on ebay... i think i was just waiting for the "reason"... and here it is! amazing, amazing software. i feel pity of the current windows mobile when i look at iphone and android's OS... ah! not to mention the marvelous Palm Pre.

i thought it is for android? HTC Hero is an android rite?

citrix80 said:
touch flo is old now, we want to see something new on wm.
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i second that and i thought i read somewhere that it is coming to WM as well so keep fingers crossed

It's pretty much just a reshuffled Touch Flo with more fancy effects, I won't say no when it's availiable but nor am I going to desperate to get my hands on it.

Samsung Jet will play flash pages
Nokia N97 will play flash pages
Windows cannot dissappointed to find out after getting the first PPC

Fallen Spartan said:
Looks promising but I think it would be a while before you would see this on a WM device
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You wil see it soon on a Windows Mobile Phone with android running on it

hey, just ordered a blackstone a few days ago... and saw HTC sense today. I just want it! what do you think, will HTC sense be available for the blackstone too?
just read the posts above, maybe it will be available, maybe there will be a new WM touchflo version... in your opinion, should I leave my order, buy a blackstone and hope for HTC sense made available for it, or should I wait for more HTC sense devices like the hero?
a really really hard decision!
thx!

This is another reason why we need Android on the HD. HTC Sense is so much more fluid and finger friendly.

absolutely. this is a MUST HAVE. can't imagine better then HD with sense...

LOL - Talk about wishful thinking.
HTC no longer support the Touch HD, theres no way you're going to see such an update for it.

would be interesting where you've read/heard/got that info? I just read an article, John Wang: "HTC Sense will be available for Android AND Windows Mobile devices in the near future." (tecchannel.de, in german)

HTC Hero interface

any chance to get it working on rhodium??
see the video...
http://www.macitynet.it/macity/aA38603/htc_hero_arriva_il_terzo_android_con_nuova_interfaccia.shtml

Nice interface, but I think it's a very long way off any hope of being ported for the Rhodium, and thats if anyone sees it as a great advantage. It would be a massive project.
Seems to be largely based on TF3D, just remoulded, and probably re-engineered. Looks a lot smoother, but then again it's only a video and they can make it look as smooth as they like! Certainly has all the trademarks of a HTC interface though....like a cross between TF3D and PointUI.
When is this device out anyway? It would be typical of HTC to announce a new one, only weeks after we've all forked out for our Rhodiums!

here's hoping HTC bundle something similar with their 6.5 update for the rhodium!

We shouldn't need to port it.
In a press release HTC have stated that the Sense UI will be rolled out across all HTC handsets, regardless of OS.
Check front page of my site in my link for more details (don't want to spam this forum as I like it here )

jeah i think the will develope it for win mobile 6.5 and android. so we can hope this interface wil come to our TP2

lhwparis said:
jeah i think the will develope it for win mobile 6.5 and android. so we can hope this interface wil come to our TP2
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i hope so...but knowing htc i think the new interface will be available for new devices (devices released after the HTC Hero...)...i hope im wrong...

I don't think so, they have promised upgrades to 6.5 for diamond 2 and touch pro 2 owners (as part of the sales blurb) and i imagine this is their big push at doing something different, creating a consistent user interface throughout their range regardless of OS.
I think they really want to dominate and they're certainly doing a good job so far.
Now if only I could get flash working with the default browser...

dazkeirle said:
We shouldn't need to port it.
In a press release HTC have stated that the Sense UI will be rolled out across all HTC handsets, regardless of OS.
Check front page of my site in my link for more details (don't want to spam this forum as I like it here )
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yeah, I have checked it but it also say that it will be available on all new HTC devices moving forward this takes TP2 out of the loop as it is older. Unless they will plan it for the promised WM6.5 version ..

Either way if it's coming to newer devices I'm sure the geniuses here can work out a way to get it running on the TP2 without much effort

this Hero (HTC Sense) really really adorable
Tried android with Raphael, i love the new OS experience

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Either way if it's coming to newer devices I'm sure the geniuses here can work out a way to get it running on the TP2 without much effort
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Exactly – thx God for XDA developers :-D
sometimes I wonder whether any other platform has such a great support .. well who cares … we DO :-D

Mashe said:
yeah, I have checked it but it also say that it will be available on all new HTC devices moving forward this takes TP2 out of the loop as it is older. Unless they will plan it for the promised WM6.5 version ..
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...as i said...

thats waht i said. i think the new interface will come with new windows mobile 6.5 devices. if we have a little luck the TP2 win6.5 update will come with this interface too

lhwparis said:
thats waht i said. i think the new interface will come with new windows mobile 6.5 devices. if we have a little luck the TP2 win6.5 update will come with this interface too
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and if not that XDA will (hopefully)

Do want!
Looks like a big improvement over TF3D.
Hopefully we'll get this in the official 6.5 upgrade...

yes yes
Lightbulb HTC Hero TF3D Manila 2.1 V2.0 on TP2
it works on mine TP2
cab fils @ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538826

I believe this is called PointSense...
You can see more here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=542107
Apparently this works but it's slower than the TF3D

Windows Mobile on the Hero?

Call me old-fashioned, but I'm wondering if it is possible to have Windows Mobile on HTC Hero - not as a dual boot, but instead of Android?
Are there any chefs out there developing Windows Mobile ROMs for the Hero?
I currently have HC Diamond and have been a very happy user of Makevaral's BsB ROMs, but I am getting HTC Hero on upgrade so I'm wondering if I can get WM on it.
I didn't put this question in the "Android Development" forum because it's not the development of Android that I am asking about.
Thanks.

Not possible, there are other threads on it if you search.

meirionwyllt said:
Call me old-fashioned, but I'm wondering if it is possible to have Windows Mobile on HTC Hero - not as a dual boot, but instead of Android?
Are there any chefs out there developing Windows Mobile ROMs for the Hero?
I currently have HC Diamond and have been a very happy user of Makevaral's BsB ROMs, but I am getting HTC Hero on upgrade so I'm wondering if I can get WM on it.
I didn't put this question in the "Android Development" forum because it's not the development of Android that I am asking about.
Thanks.
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Hero may be a downgrade then, worse screen.

I had the diamond...
Hero with android is so much better
With 2.1 Rom.. it kills the HTC Diamond

i have had the Td2 and the hero and the hero wins easily!

meirionwyllt said:
Call me old-fashioned
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Old-Fashioned !

since there are (from the hardware specs point of view) great winmo phones, why would you want to go through the trouble of putting winmo on a hero? the hero is a great phone, but if you want winmo (god knows why...) just get a winmo phone, you'll save yourself a lot of trouble.
this is not bashing, this is asking why.

1. don't get the Hero if you're happy with windows mobile. no point.
2. get the Hero and forget about that crap.
ex owner of Diamond here
Sent from my Hero using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

winmo is immposible to install on hero becasue of hardware and kernel ..

Why would you want to spoil your Hero by installing an outdated clunky OS, that MS are soon abandoning? I used to have the TD - the Hero is just so much better for both hardware and software.
As others have said if you want to stick with WM there are plenty of HTC WM phones out there - get one of those instead of the Hero

buy a fake chinese hero which is identical to hero (I think - only saw it on a video) and has winmo 6.5 pro

Thanks for your answers.
The reason I was asking is because I've taken Orange up on an offer of a HTC Hero free as an upgrade. I was initially going to sell it because of my old-fashioned nature and wanting to stick with MS. But then I thought of asking about the ROM just in case.
"an outdated clunky OS, that MS are soon abandoning?" - I hope you are right, that MS are indeed abandoning it in favour of Windows Phone 7. I hope it's a complete re-write of the code, rather than what MS usually do and regenerate old code and put it into "new" OS's.
Thanks
I might have a play around with the Hero to see if I like it.

Windows mobile 7 is completely new, but will not work on any existing handsets.
back to android.
Android is great, fully customisable and there is no reason not to love it.

meirionwyllt said:
The reason I was asking is because I've taken Orange up on an offer of a HTC Hero free as an upgrade. I was initially going to sell it .
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Exactly what happened with me - it was going on Ebay and I was keeping the TD, until I made one mistake and did this
meirionwyllt said:
I might have a play around with the Hero to see if I like it.
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One little play and I was hooked.
In use the capacitive screen is so much better - do not believe those who say it is a worse screen because it has less resolution. In fact ease of use of the screen is the one thing that I always envied iphone users for when I watched them swipe easily between screens without ever accidently switching on an app.
And Android, especially with HTC's SenseUI, is much better than WM. Because of the WM interface (which HTC did their best to hide) I used my TD mainly as a phone and did not get the best out of it because of that. Now I use my Hero for a lot more. And I have not missed my old stylus one bit - I just let my fingers do the walking.
Let us know how you get on with your little play - try the market and see how easy it is to get all sorts of weird and wonderful apps that you never realised you needed, but you will find indispensible once you've got them. I bet you will be androided.

WIN PHONE 7 on Omnia 2

All who would like to request developers for Win Phone 7 on their omnia 2 plzz post a request it below

+1
Yes I would like

I would like too

Even though porting of WP7 has been successful on device such as HD2, however, Microsoft seems not planning to help the developers and hackers in realizing the dream of running WP7, so most likely even if the porting is successful, most or some features and applications are NOT likely to work.
Refer to: http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-comments-on-windows-phone-7-htc-hd2-port/

i would still like to have another OS on my phone just wna get rid of winmo 6.5

fusioncoast said:
i would still like to have another OS on my phone just wna get rid of winmo 6.5
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LOL...aren't you satisfied with Android?

Omnia II Runs winmo

lj27416 said:
Omnia II Runs winmo
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There's a Android porting over now and I'm talking to Fusioncoast btw.

sure I do too
bu i have read before it's not possible cause of the buttons and minimume requirements
i hope u can do it

Yes please, that would be nice to play with.

I want it too...

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I would like to play with wp7 on my omnia2

i would love to have wp7 too! i support your team, gurus!

who wouldn't want if possible?
Omnia2 isn't in the same league with HD2 in terms of hardware specs.even if it's possible, i guess it will be extremely slow

Microsoft has officiallly announced that no WM6.5 or WM6.1 operator can upgrade to Windows Phone 7....even by flashing......

count me in, i want winmo7 too...

7827505059 said:
Microsoft has officiallly announced that no WM6.5 or WM6.1 operator can upgrade to Windows Phone 7....even by flashing......
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This is the truth, sadly. And this thread is going nowhere.
Sorry guys.