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Hi There
Ive tried searching high and low for this type of feature and I cannot find anything. Let me explain..
What I want to do is on my Pocket PC with a GPS unit, is basically have a program running that grabs the Long/Lat data from the GPS at a specified time interval (say every 60 mins) and uploads that to a website or FTP via GPRS.
What I plan to do on the website side of things is to have the website read from that data and load Google Maps to show where the person is!
Anyone already know a program to do this kind of thing?
Thanks in advance
Gary
Hi
I have made a program that will get the gps pos of a device and send it back to a pc via SMS it can send it to a server over gprs.
pjcltd is there any chance of a copy of the program.
Darthgus, hers a laptop solution, I am sure there is a pocket pc solution somewhere.
http://conversationswithmyself.com/maps/tracker/gmapTracker.html
GPS
Try www.pocketpccreations.com
I have used it to get the location of an operator when tacking data. I have not tried to run a timer it get the data when a user clicks the button. You have to add the gps custom point.
Let me know if you need any further info.
pjcltd said:
Hi
I have made a program that will get the gps pos of a device and send it back to a pc via SMS it can send it to a server over gprs.
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Hey there
Any chance I could get a copy of this? Greatly Apprciated..
cruisin-thru said:
pjcltd is there any chance of a copy of the program.
Darthgus, hers a laptop solution, I am sure there is a pocket pc solution somewhere.
http://conversationswithmyself.com/maps/tracker/gmapTracker.html
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Heh, thats exactly the sort of thing but with Pocket PC. I wanted to get the POS to a website, then use the API of Google maps to show the position.
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classicxda said:
Try www.pocketpccreations.com
I have used it to get the location of an operator when tacking data. I have not tried to run a timer it get the data when a user clicks the button. You have to add the gps custom point.
Let me know if you need any further info.
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Yea, Im not really wanting to run a program like that to do it, basically I just want something sitting in the background dropping the GPS point every x mins or x hrs type thing to a website/ftp.
We use this for our workers on the road. They send back positions every 10 seconds via their XDA & we track them on maps in the office.
However, it's part of a larger 2-way data app.
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Yea, Im not really wanting to run a program like that to do it, basically I just want something sitting in the background dropping the GPS point every x mins or x hrs type thing to a website/ftp.
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But I do know of someone who has something simillar, I'll get in touch...
ok i will post a program on here that will run for 15 days
before i do you must know that the program will work with any gps
ie com1 - com9
and it will send the pos to any sms number that you want
ok
If you want any more info then let me know
it should be on by 2pm uk time
GPS
What's chance of posting some source code?
or it a commercial product?
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What's chance of posting some source code?
or it a commercial product?
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Well i can point you in the right direction for code but i have spent a lot of hours on this project as we use it with our loneworkers
is its more of what you can do realy
but i will post it today
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Puff The Magic Wagon! said:
darthgus said:
Yea, Im not really wanting to run a program like that to do it, basically I just want something sitting in the background dropping the GPS point every x mins or x hrs type thing to a website/ftp.
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But I do know of someone who has something simillar, I'll get in touch...
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Thanks, Look forward to hearing from ya...
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cgrillo said:
What's chance of posting some source code?
or it a commercial product?
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Well i can point you in the right direction for code but i have spent a lot of hours on this project as we use it with our loneworkers
is its more of what you can do realy
but i will post it today
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Cool will be good to have a look at, but not much use without some code or whatever as I dont want to send sms's but upload the data to a http/ftp site.
I look forward to testing this program. How do we get the unlimited version if we find it useful?
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I look forward to testing this program. How do we get the unlimited version if we find it useful?
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Very sory for the delay in posting the program i had to get the ok my Boss
i will be posting a 15 day trial
if you want a full version then we can sort that out later.
At the moment the program dose the foolowing
1 When you run the program it starts the GPS
You mush have a gps connected and working for this to work
See VidyaScreen005.JPG
2 If all is ok you will get the following screen
See VidyaScreen003.JPG
3 From this Screen you can Change the user status
See VidyaScreen006.JPG
4 You can change any of these messages.
See VidyaScreen013.JPG
GPS...
So it there any chance of the source code?????
Yes i think so if a donation is made to me to help me with the costs of the project.
darthgus said:
Hi There
Ive tried searching high and low for this type of feature and I cannot find anything. Let me explain..
What I want to do is on my Pocket PC with a GPS unit, is basically have a program running that grabs the Long/Lat data from the GPS at a specified time interval (say every 60 mins) and uploads that to a website or FTP via GPRS.
What I plan to do on the website side of things is to have the website read from that data and load Google Maps to show where the person is!
Anyone already know a program to do this kind of thing?
Thanks in advance
Gary
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Have a look at http://www.tvwebradio.com/findme2/forum
Has the program been posted :?:
For anyone who hasn't been watching the main development and hacking thread in XDA they've managed to get a working version of tomtom 7 off the new HTC Diamond and got it to work on other phones. This happend a few days ago I believe, maybe longer. That said, it hadnt worked on the Vogue untill now thanks to starbase64.
You can find the version of tomtom 7 that works with our phones here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/12398912...and_6.cab.html
http://www.megaupload.com/it/?d=6EF2ABE2
Also please find the direct link to the actual thread topic for this development here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401691
I had tomtom 6.03 installed with USA and Canada Maps ver. 6.75. I installed tomtom 7 which uninstalled tomtom 6 and installed 7 overtop.. booted up and my map worked fine. GPS actually connected way quicker then with 6.03.
(sidenote.... I use a bluetooth external GPS reciever as I am waiting for telus to get of their butts and release their rom update that will activate the internal gps)
The only thing I have noticed so far is that tomtom 7 is supposed to have the option of being able to change the navigation cursor.. ie an arrow to a car which it says it cant because theres no cursors so I'm sure a fix or something for this will come at some point. But all looks good. The fonts are a bit big as its for VGA but still great. The black colour bars are alot nicer then the blue.
It's been said before and I will say it again. Dont discuss anr warz or anything like that. No hacks or cracks or where to download maps from illegally. If you want a map. Go to tomtom's website!
Oh.. I have also had issues with this version of tomtom and tomtom home. It wont regonize that 7 is installed. Shows all my maps and voices and what not. This is a little frustrating as because it doesnt recognize in home you cant use the mapshare. One of the big perks of the upgrade. If anyone figures this out OR if its just me let me know!
I tried upgrading to tomtom home ver 2 but it wouldnt recognize it either.
Alright everyone... Here's the newest QVGA version of TomTom 7. Looks a little nicer on the Vogue. All the fonts are the appropriate size and what not.
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I have build a pachage (look in my 4Shared TomTom folder) "TomTom_Navigator_7.450.9028_QVGA_without_installation.rar".
Extract on your SD Card and start "TomTom Navigator.exe".
TomTom must never again be installed.
This pack is without voices, you can find voice in my 4Shared TomTom folder.
Thanks "minty1978" for the QVGA Pack, is faster on Hermes.
wfg
Starbase64
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Installation was fairly simple. I just copied the files over to my Touch and booted tomtom back up. Also check out the custom car icon files he has. What you have to do (took me a little research to figure it out) was where ever you installed your tomtom program. Mine was "\program files\Navigator" Make a folder called "art" and then a subfolder called "cars" Then put the car icon files you want inside that subfolder. When you boot up tomtom you can then change the icon of the direction arrow.
Edit: Here's some sites to download the car cursors as well
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/tomtom-custom-cursors.php
http://tomtom.gps-data-team.com/car_symbols.html
http://www.tomtomforums.com/forumdis...=67&order=desc
Is Google Navigator going to be a descent solution for us? Or is this going to be the best?
Of course I have no idea, as I'm waiting for Sprint US to get me my fancy new ROM update as well. So I haven't even had the opportunity to search around and play yet, using an external.
Hopefully today at 11:00am. Have to wait and see. Not holding my breath.
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well googl's free.. I dont believe it has 3d map views although it does have satelite.. which is a perk. I'd say tomtom is a little more advanced then googlemaps for sure. 3d driving view ... voice guidance... thousands and thouands of poi's, easy menus etc etc. If you havnt used tom tom before you'll be pleasantly suprised how easy it is to use. Then again Tom toms been making stand alone units (PNA's) for years and years so they sort of have been working at it a long while now where as google maps is new to the game. I use both Navigon and tom tom and find them to be the best for what I need. With google map you can triangulate your position with cell towers too.. tomtom... nope. you NEED GPS for it to work
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well googl's free.. I dont believe it has 3d map views although it does have satelite.. which is a perk. I'd say tomtom is a little more advanced then googlemaps for sure. 3d driving view ... voice guidance... thousands and thouands of poi's, easy menus etc etc. If you havnt used tom tom before you'll be pleasantly suprised how easy it is to use. Then again Tom toms been making stand alone units (PNA's) for years and years so they sort of have been working at it a long while now where as google maps is new to the game. I use both Navigon and tom tom and find them to be the best for what I need. With google map you can triangulate your position with cell towers too.. tomtom... nope. you NEED GPS for it to work
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Last time I looked Google Navigator was like $60 bucks.
http://www.pdafun.net/
And I thought it had all the 3D maps, Driving Directions, voice command turn by turns and all that jazz too...??
Google Maps isn't really a navigation package, nor is Live Search IMHO.
I think you may be replying about the wrong application...ALthough I do think it's really weird for someone to charge $60 for a front end using the free google database, but hey; whatcha gonna do...
It almost like a Google Earth for WM6 devices...No...
Very true... Duh.. I was thinking about google maps. I haven't tried google navigator. I think last time I went to go try they didnt have a trial and I wasnt about to pay for something without knowing how well it worked. This threads going to get off topic quick. Tomtom 7.. download and try and you will love it!
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Very true... Duh.. I was thinking about google maps. I haven't tried google navigator. I think last time I went to go try they didnt have a trial and I wasnt about to pay for something without knowing how well it worked. This threads going to get off topic quick. Tomtom 7.. download and try and you will love it!
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I just checked that pdafun link, and there is a free trial, although I have to agree...$60 for a front-end on a free set of maps is pretty expensive. Unless they have tts (haven't researched it yet).
How do you switch TomTom 7 over to english?
Ah yes... I forgot about that.. Here's what you have to do..
I should have remembered but yes, the QVGA version I posted is set to, well I dont remember what language actually...But its not english. There seems to be two ways to get it to english.
The first is simply to delete the file [navigator.cfg] which I'm fairly sure is in whatever directory you are installing tomtom 7 to. That said you can probably just NOT move it over into the directory. Before I discovered that deleting this file would make the english the default I did this.
Here's the method I figured out
Once the map screen has popped up tap the screen once, the bottomn left icon with a wrech is what you then have to press. A new page will pop up. Push the bottom right icon (a blue arrow) 5 times. On the last page you should see an icon with 3 flags.. it will be the top left icon. Press this once. Then you'll have the option of changing the language.
Change it to english or whatever you want it to be and you are set!
This brings up another possible issue I never thought about though untill now. If for whatever reason you cant boot up tomtom because its in some other language and you have to go through a set up in another launguge (I imagine if its the first time loading up it SHOULD give you the option of choosing the language before hand but if it doesnt) maybe install that VGA version and get the set up and what not, everything the way you want it THEN copy of the QVGA files. This may not even be an issie at all but if it should happen to someone its an idea on how to get it done!
Hope this helps!
Your trick for deleteing the navigator temp file worked great. Do you have any suggestions for getting TT7 to read my TT6 maps. It keeps saying maps not found.
Boss428man said:
Your trick for deleteing the navigator temp file worked great. Do you have any suggestions for getting TT7 to read my TT6 maps. It keeps saying maps not found.
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Dunno why, it saw my TT6 maps (NA 6.75)... I was able to use them right away...
Boss428man said:
Your trick for deleteing the navigator temp file worked great. Do you have any suggestions for getting TT7 to read my TT6 maps. It keeps saying maps not found.
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I too had it working with my version 6.75 maps. What version of maps do you have installed? If its older then the 6.75 perhaps they wont work. That said, if you have to upgrade then I would just upgrade to the latest ver 7 maps.
Weird, I have 6.75 also. My map folder is named "USA and Canada 675_1409". How does that compair with everyone?
I noticed that if you edit the Currentmap.dat file and redirect it to my map folder it still won't work.. Its weird TomTom 6 works fine.
I had problems with it not finding my maps. So I got some new ones and it worked fine instantly...
Just a question. Has anyone gotten Tomtom home 2.3 to work with their vogue yet? I've had no luck at all. I've been checking the main thread on this in the development area and alot of people are having issues getting their phones to connect.. While some connect just fine. I havnt read anything in there though from other Vogue users. In order to use the mapshare you need to be able to connect to tomtom home 2. So this would be great if we get it working OR if someone has it working maybe they could tell us what they did.
Thanks!
Anyone be able to download one free map from tomtom.com?
Boss428man said:
Your trick for deleteing the navigator temp file worked great. Do you have any suggestions for getting TT7 to read my TT6 maps. It keeps saying maps not found.
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6xx maps won't work, you have to get the new 7xx map.
Also, you need to activate the maps as well. Tomtom 7 increased the security.
does this file work w/the vogue internal gps? I'm using TomTom_Navigator_7.450.9028_repack2.cab that works with my maps, but doesn't pick up my GPS. (it works great on a friend's mogul)
Hi all
I'm running a legitimate copy of TTN7 on an HTC Touch Diamond. I'd like to add maps of North America, but the map store does not sell them for my version, only for Navigator 6. The map version available is 6.75. Does anybody know if this map will work OK with TTN7?
GarySN said:
Hi all
I'm running a legitimate copy of TTN7 on an HTC Touch Diamond. I'd like to add maps of North America, but the map store does not sell them for my version, only for Navigator 6. The map version available is 6.75. Does anybody know if this map will work OK with TTN7?
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Hey GarySN,
sorry, I have no solution for your problem. But maybe you are able to help me ? I've installed tomtom 6.5 but I'm not able to connect to the diamond's internal gps. Any advise ?
Many thanks !
compact22 said:
Hey GarySN,
sorry, I have no solution for your problem. But maybe you are able to help me ? I've installed tomtom 6.5 but I'm not able to connect to the diamond's internal gps. Any advise ?
Many thanks !
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You need to go outside on a fairly sunny day turn on the gps and let it sit on for about 5-10 minutes. First connection always takes a very long time. If thats not the problem, I cant imagine what is, as the connection to the internal gps is automatic.
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You need to go outside on a fairly sunny day turn on the gps and let it sit on for about 5-10 minutes. First connection always takes a very long time. If thats not the problem, I cant imagine what is, as the connection to the internal gps is automatic.
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you might also want to first use Quick GPS. It really helps in getting a fix faster.
GarySN said:
Hi all
I'm running a legitimate copy of TTN7 on an HTC Touch Diamond. I'd like to add maps of North America, but the map store does not sell them for my version, only for Navigator 6. The map version available is 6.75. Does anybody know if this map will work OK with TTN7?
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Having done few google searches i have found some people have had TT7 working with North America Maps - Version 720.1803.
Sorry I can't post any direct links as i will most probably get banned.
supersanj said:
Having done few google searches i have found some people have had TT7 working with North America Maps - Version 720.1803.
Sorry I can't post any direct links as i will most probably get banned.
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or getting a warning....have a good weekend all
Ok I've finally taken the plunge and just received my new HD2 from T-Mobile. Everthing works ok and even to a cynic like myself it is one impressive machine but with one issue. I can't install TomTom 7.
As soon as it tries to auto config it displays the message:
"Your device is not compatible with this version of TomTom NAVIGATOR!"
(Their message - not my typing...)
Any ideas? It worked ok my Touch HD running a 6.5 ROM from Miri and I've noticed others appear to have it working. The HD2 is running OS version 21864.5.0.81, ROM version 1.43.110.2 WWE and radio is 2.04.50.22_2 if that helps.
Any assistance greatly appreciated of course!
Is true!
If you go in tomtom device compatible web page you see that HD2 isn't copatible, I have sent an email ant tomtom said me that you must see this page when change you can download a new version compatible.
P.S: There is a version that work with Hd2 but you must delte 2 dll and in tomtomhome hd2 is not recognize
While it is true that Version 7 isn't supported, it dose still work well with a couple of exceptions.
1. It can be done by transfering the CAB file to the device and then installing it manualy, but not through the ActiveSync installer.
2. The version I had for my Orbit2 KILLED the bluetooth on the HD2. It's a fairly easy thing to rectify, just need to delete the file \Windows\BtSdkCE30.dll and then Reset the HD2, but it caused a few headaches.
3. I've read that some people reccomend the 7.91 version of tom tom, but that version 7.45 works well also.
Phoenix2n said:
While it is true that Version 7 isn't supported, it dose still work well with a couple of exceptions.
1. It can be done by transfering the CAB file to the device and then installing it manualy, but not through the ActiveSync installer.
2. The version I had for my Orbit2 KILLED the bluetooth on the HD2. It's a fairly easy thing to rectify, just need to delete the file \Windows\BtSdkCE30.dll and then Reset the HD2, but it caused a few headaches.
3. I've read that some people reccomend the 7.91 version of tom tom, but that version 7.45 works well also.
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Cheers but it didn't work.. Yes I tried running the cab file manually from the 2577 folder but still it came back with the same message. I am using version 7.91 as well.. Very frustrating as I use the Sat Nav a lot!
icematrix said:
Is true!
If you go in tomtom device compatible web page you see that HD2 isn't copatible, I have sent an email ant tomtom said me that you must see this page when change you can download a new version compatible.
P.S: There is a version that work with Hd2 but you must delte 2 dll and in tomtomhome hd2 is not recognize
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Thanks for the tip but I can't even get it to install let alone delete dll's!!!
See this post It may help you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530792
If not install using tt7 v7.915 cab file. It will not kill Bluetooth or fm it works great.
There are several threads about HD2 and TomTom 7 in here please read before you start another thread.
Good luck
sabes143 said:
See this post It may help you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530792
If not install using tt7 v7.915 cab file. It will not kill Bluetooth or fm it works great.
There are several threads about HD2 and TomTom 7 in here please read before you start another thread.
Good luck
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Actually just found that link as you posted. I've managed to get it installed but now it's asking for my map activation code which at the moment I can't find in my filing system....
Thanks for the help/link anyway!
I have Tomtom 7 working try doing a search for TomTom_Navigator_7.916.9189_VGA.
Tony, had the same problem, it's possible to get the software installed using a cab file but then you can't activate your purchased map files without hooking the device up to TomTom Home.
It's sadly a case of waiting for TomTom to officially support the HD2 at which point an update for TomTom Home should allow us to connect and install.
I tried emailing them again today for an update but they just said keep watching -> http://www.tomtom.com/products/section.php?ID=898&Section=709&Lid=1&Category=2
Im using ttn7.915.9196.vga_black.cab which is working fine for me on mine.
Currently using 7.916-9189 vga-black.cab with ukroi 835-2421
had to rename the 2 bt.dll's by adding old to the end of them using resco file explorer and then used BsB Tweaks to get it to auto rotate..
some dudes report issues with the radio using this method but as I dont use headphones (only bluetooth) I haven't even checked to see if the radio works. Now researching/downloading other sat nav applications and waiting for my 16gb card to come so I can try some others out...rapidly running out of room on the stock 2gb card
@EssexboyRacer.
Are you able to connect to TomTom Home?
If not, how did you activate your map file(s) please?
Lei Chat said:
Tony, had the same problem, it's possible to get the software installed using a cab file but then you can't activate your purchased map files without hooking the device up to TomTom Home.
It's sadly a case of waiting for TomTom to officially support the HD2 at which point an update for TomTom Home should allow us to connect and install.
I tried emailing them again today for an update but they just said keep watching -> http://www.tomtom.com/products/section.php?ID=898&Section=709&Lid=1&Category=2
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Thanks for all your input and help guys.
I too had the same response from TomTom as Lei Chat and will keep an eye on the page specified but it is a bit of a pain in the a*** when you have shelled out good money and then can't use it!
As a stop gap I spent ages trying to get the "ttn7.915.9196.vga_black.cab" route working but I've finally cracked it tonight. At least I now have it up and running until the "official" way is available...
TonyJ999 said:
Thanks for all your input and help guys.
I too had the same response from TomTom as Lei Chat and will keep an eye on the page specified but it is a bit of a pain in the a*** when you have shelled out good money and then can't use it!
As a stop gap I spent ages trying to get the "ttn7.915.9196.vga_black.cab" route working but I've finally cracked it tonight. At least I now have it up and running until the "official" way is available...
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Hi, Can you share how you cracked it because I've tried as much I can but still not up and running. I manage to get "ttn7.915.9196.vga_black.cab" installed but when trying to run it's says it isn't a valid device or something. So there I am with a full TT7 Western Europe and no go!
Cheers
1stPeregrine said:
Hi, Can you share how you cracked it because I've tried as much I can but still not up and running. I manage to get "ttn7.915.9196.vga_black.cab" installed but when trying to run it's says it isn't a valid device or something. So there I am with a full TT7 Western Europe and no go!
Cheers
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I have sent you a PM.....
TonyJ999 said:
I have sent you a PM.....
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Hello,
can you send me the same informations.
Thank you.
TonyJ999 said:
I have sent you a PM.....
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Hi,
Could you please send me as well.
Thanks for the help.
TonyJ999 said:
I have sent you a PM.....
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Would you mind PM'ing me too please
Merry Christmas!
Cheers
Can you send PM too?
Hi,
I also have HD2 and have tomtom v7.916...
I managed to install Tomtom but the program can't find the map.
Can you send me a PM how to cracked the program.
Thanks in advance,
D
Donnyponny said:
Hi,
I also have HD2 and have tomtom v7.916...
I managed to install Tomtom but the program can't find the map.
Can you send me a PM how to cracked the program.
Thanks in advance,
D
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first post in this forum to ask for cracked software....
Hi all, I have installed TomTom 7.916.9189 on my TP2 unbranded and stock rom. It seems to work fine so far. I had a few issues like the BTrace.exe error and an uinable to start not enough memory error however I have fixed those.
My problem is that I have downloaded a voice to put on and I copied the relevent files to the relevent place but the voice either doesn't show up on the voices list or it does and when I select it; it tells me that I have not selected a valid voice (or something along those lines). I dont understand what the problem is.
Has anyone else encountered this? Does anyone know how to fix it?
Thanks in advance all help is appreciated.
hi IllusiaX,
well you have to keep the voices in "VOICES" folder in storage card...
every voices has 2 files: 1 DATA0X.CHK 2 DATA0X.VIF
if you lose one of them the voice doesn't works...
Tom Tom 7 Voice Help
Would you please post instructions on how to install Tom Tom 7 on tp2? Thanks.
Run the cab - easy to find - and then buy the maps.
Thanks for the reply, I have the voice files in the right folder. It's just odd that it doesn't show up and when it does tom tom says its not a valid voice. I'll keep trying
Am I the only one who has really bad lag on Tomtom on a TP2 ?
I had probs wth my TT7 on TP2 but solution was so simple but I find it jus after few weeks of trying lots of diferent files fro here.Thanks to everyone who puting soft here
My TT is 7.450
DavidinCT said:
Am I the only one who has really bad lag on Tomtom on a TP2 ?
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you mean TT showing you about 250 feet behind where you really are on the road? Nope. My unit is constantly telling me to turn left or turn right about 50 feet past an intersection.
I've tried following some of the regedits and other tips people have posted in various forums, but it's never quite resolved it for me.
I've just gotten accustomed to it and try to read the next direction ahead instead of relying on the voice and image.