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Why does this forum suck compared to the Elf's forum? That's a serious question.. no fooling around here
o and will stuff in that other forum work with the Vogue?

#1 because the GSM Touch has been out over a year, and now that the Vogue has come out, a lot of Cell Providers have decided to name it the Touch (ie Sprint Touch is actually HTC Vogue) which confuses a lot of people. If you go to ppcgeeks.com you will find that 95% of the people in the HTC Touch Forum are actually HTC Vogue users, but in the USA it's been called the Touch, so everybody is there. So that's why I spend most of my time over there.
#2 Most of it will not because the HTC Touch and the HTC Vogue are completely different devices. The Touch runs at around 200MHZ while the Vogue runs at 400MHZ. The Touch has something like 64MB or storage while the Vogue has 256MB. Different architecture, thus different ROMs, customizations, etc.

Thanks Musicman that was really helpful. Didn't realize there would be so much of a difference.

Nor did I. Good info to know!

how come the roms of x1i and x1a are compatible

sorry to ask such basic questions but im having truble locating the answers:
1-can someone explain why the cooked or stock roms (os or radio) work fine with both x1i and xia. they have differnt hardware after all (different radio frequency support, different cameras with different video recording capability)
also
2- how come the radio rom is the same while US and europian use different frequencies . and doent the cooked OS rom need to be aware of what frequency the phone is using
3-if i flash a cooked rom that is based on the US ROM do i lose the capability of recording 30FPS ? is the opposite true also?
4- if cross flashing (cooked OS) works for x1 how how come it does not work with touch pro or diamond (meaning that i cant flash htc touchPRO with a ATT FUSE?

Because the software is built to handle both sets of hardware.

There is nothing fundamentally different between the X1a and X1i. The only significant differences are the different radio chip and different Qualcomm CPU, but the OS itself does not need to be changed for those differences. When you flash a ROM, you are only flashing the OS; the radio component is not flashed. Slower video recording in the X1a is just a limit of the MSM7201A chip, again not controlled by the OS.
That should answer questions 1-3.
As for Touch Pro vs Fuze, you can actually flash a Touch Pro ROM onto a Fuze and vice-versa, but the Fuze does have some fundamental differences, such as an extra PTT button, a special AT&T keyboard, and no front camera -- all of which are controlled by the OS. As a result, "cross-flashing" ROMs may have unexpected results. Some Raphael chefs now offer two versions, Touch Pro and Fuze, which are essentially the same minus a few changes for those specific hardware differences. Fuze versions may also include original AT&T branding.
"Cross-flashing" is fully not possible between GSM/UMTS and CDMA phones (eg: between Fuze and Sprint Touch Pro).

This is not strictly on topic (though it is related), but would it be possible to come up with a process to port roms cooked for the Touch HD over to the X1 by updating the parts that would be affected by hardware differences?
I guess as all roms are different that this would not be easy, but if it were possible it'd open up more choices for users. Might it be feasible, or no chance?

DavidMc0 said:
This is not strictly on topic (though it is related), but would it be possible to come up with a process to port roms cooked for the Touch HD over to the X1 by updating the parts that would be affected by hardware differences?
I guess as all roms are different that this would not be easy, but if it were possible it'd open up more choices for users. Might it be feasible, or no chance?
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You can port the XIP (core os) across and various bits of the operating system, but it can get messy. T
here's no simple way to "port" roms from one device to another.
Have a look at Itjes roms for examples

Is X1a us or uk?

ratchetnclank said:
Is X1a us or uk?
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X1a is not US nor UK
X1a = "america" (US, Canada, Mexico, Purto Rico, Chile, Argetina, Boliiva, etc etc etc)

thanks people very educational
The only significant differences are the different radio chip and different Qualcomm CPU
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its funny that the x1i to me seems (hardware wise) to have more in common with the HD than the x1a. since both use the same radio and cpu

Right up until you get to the slide-action of the HD... oh wait.

Or the 3.8 inch screen on the x1, oh wait

Sprint's Hero: possible to flash?

I'm considering Sprint's version of the Hero when it comes out. Will it be possible to flash that one with the custom ROMs found here?

i wouldnt flash with any current roms that are out because that hero is built to run on donut(1.6) not cupcake(1.5)
when the new hero donut roms are avaliable we will see

herzzreh said:
I'm considering Sprint's version of the Hero when it comes out. Will it be possible to flash that one with the custom ROMs found here?
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It's a different device, but some marketingpoeple thought, it sell's better as 'Hero' If they would have given it another name, we would find it in a new section on the xda-forum ...

dbl post. sorry.

@immya - from what i have read so far the Sprint Hero will ship with cupcake. I also had the same question about flashing but I will just have to see if it ships with donut on Fri. morning.
If it doesn't ship with donut we could, theoretically, flash with the other ROMS available correct?

Yes, Sprint's Hero will be shipping with 1.5. http://androidandme.com/2009/10/carriers/more-info-on-the-sprint-ota-problem/
Personally, I think the biggest question is whether or not these ROMs include CDMA support. If they don't, they definitely won't work on Sprint's (or Cellular South's) Hero.

yeah thats what im saying, cupcake doesnt naturally support cdma but one of donuts main features is that it can support both cdma and gsm. so i doubt any sprint support then for the time being

Picking mine up tomorrow morning. I'll search on how to get a dump of the OS so that I can post it up somewhere. If anyone cares to point me to the right link it would be appreciated and get a modified ROM out quicker.
Cheers!

The Sprint Hero is a cupcake build with CDMA support added to it. I would not flash it with a European ROM because you might brick the radio.

OK, got it in hand and have the whole weekend to play
I'm not going to try to flash it, though, just extract for others tinkering, that I may then partake of. Just want to give SOMETHING back to this awesome community.

more then likely there will have to be a "tweaked version" or new roms developed for the sprint hero. usually, on most htc devices, things that are found to work on the gsm version will not work on the cdma i.e roms, radio upgrades etc...

I too just got my Sprint Hero today from Best Buy and would be more than happy to help the devs here by offering my phones data if you guys could just tell me how to dump the necessary info.

I'm betting that the same HTC tools will work to extract the rom from this device whether it's GSM or CDMA. We (CDMA users) use the same tools as the GSM guys in the WinMo world for building ROMs (buildOs, etc.), it's just some of the ROM packages are specific for GSM and some are specific for CDMA.

Difference between Android phones

Dear Community.
I've one question...
HTC has a lot of Android phones in their product line...
Magic, Hero, Tatoo
But what is the big difference between them?
I only know that Hero and Tatoo have little bit more Ram and an other UI.
But is it worth to buy a Tatoo in stead of an Magic?
thanks
Terrorhuhn

Terrorhuhn said:
Dear Community.
I've one question...
HTC has a lot of Android phones in their product line...
Magic, Hero, Tatoo
But what is the big difference between them?
I only know that Hero and Tatoo have little bit more Ram and an other UI.
But is it worth to buy a Tatoo in stead of an Magic?
thanks
Terrorhuhn
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I'm not an expert of testing different phones. But here's my short review anyway. There are no huge differences, though the Hero doesn't upgrade to OS 1.6 yet.
I'll start with the Magic.
The Magic has two version, the 32B and 32A.
To summarize that, the 32A is a little "faster" can load more apps and used OS 1.5 but now upgraded to 1.6. Big disadvantages are having no 3.5 mm jack for audio, bad camera and multimedia support.
The Hero has the nice Sense UI (Rosie) but might have little lag on homescreen once you put more applications on it etc.. One of the neat things is the fingerprint-resistant coating so you don't have to clean it over and over like the Magic.
The Tattoo runs 1.6 and is much like Hero because of the Sense UI and it is much faster with booting. The design fits better in one hand because it's more round shaped. Disadvantage is the smaller screen.
You can modify any of these phones to your taste. But I think HTC has done a great job with Tattoo. The Dream & Magic are also good phones, but if you plan not to mod the phone I'd say Tattoo.
Just my opinion with some facts. The choice is up to you.
All Android phones are cool.

i could live with the small screen as a pocket suitable phone but the screen of the tattoo is only a resistive screen instead of a capacitive screen. Which is a big disadvantage.

What about the TMobile MyTouch 3G?
Where does the TMobile MyTouch 3G fit in with all of that?
And why does the description on this board only say "also known as HTC Magic" but not "also known as TMobile MyTouch 3G"?

Thanks for reply.
I would flash roms to my phone, so the UI differences are not so importand for me...
But when I do a comparison between... Hero and Magic (Magic has a Rom with Sense ui)
Am I right if I say they are then very similar??
greets

Terrorhuhn said:
Thanks for reply.
I would flash roms to my phone, so the UI differences are not so importand for me...
But when I do a comparison between... Hero and Magic (Magic has a Rom with Sense ui)
Am I right if I say they are then very similar??
greets
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Well, if you get a T-Mobile MyTouch 3G or some models from Vodafone also means you'll get PVT32B version with 192MB ram. And that isn't really good enough for a HTC Hero Rom. It would eventually lag (slow down) even with swap. PVT32A has 288MB ram FYI. There are pretty good Roms for this one, but from my experience with using Android phones I've never had problems with android 1.6 donut and 2.0 eclair. You can modify them a lot to make it look like the Sense UI if you really want to. Or ofcourse just get the HTC Hero...

shoemeistah said:
The Hero has the nice Sense UI (Rosie) but might have little lag on homescreen once you put more applications on it etc.. One of the neat things is the fingerprint-resistant coating so you don't have to clean it over and over like the Magic.
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I thought HTC already released an update to fix any lag on the phone.

phil_white99 said:
Where does the TMobile MyTouch 3G fit in with all of that?
And why does the description on this board only say "also known as HTC Magic" but not "also known as TMobile MyTouch 3G"?
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The mt3g is the same
the reason it say also known as the magic is because that is the real name of htc's phone
they use sapphire because thats what its called in the coding
the mt3g is just what tmobile decided to call it because they seem to be the only one's with a contract to switch htc's names (htc now wants to brand themselves so we'll see how much longer that last)...
the difference in the names really doesnt matter... it come down to what type of board you have 32a/32b

Anartic said:
I thought HTC already released an update to fix any lag on the phone.
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Yes that might be.
I'm not that up to date with the Hero, I heard people have had problems with it and not sure if that's fixed by now, that's why I said 'might'.
Other than that what about the motorola droid, that looks good, all metal casing.

Radio differences
pack: Thanks for the reply!
I suppose there are radio differences too since there seems to be a lot of variation in how carriers handle 3G, at least in terms of frequencies used. TMobile and AT&T in the US do 3G differently and it seems that carriers in Europe and Asia have other ways. I don't know, though, if each 3G carrier's version of the Sapphire has an internal name at HTC for differentiation.
It would be great, though, if HTC started coming out with phones that had radios capable of being used on any GSM network, including data at 3G speeds, because everyone I know in the US with a 3G phone that was unlocked and moved from TMobile to AT&T, or vice versa, has to live with 2G data speeds on the other network. Is this the case in Europe too when switching between carriers or moving between countries? Or has 3G data been standardized there?

I would not recommend the Tattoo simply based on it's resistive screen.
The HTC Hero is the best Android offering so far from HTC. If you can get your hands on a HTC Magic 32A version it's just about identical hardware-wise to an HTC Hero.

HTC Touch/Vogue/Elf - GSM/CDMA Confusion

Hi
So I'm new to these forums and I have some questions.
I would like to run Android on my HTC Touch, but I'm not quite sure if it's possible. I started reading some threads but it's really confusing.
As far as I understand the HTC Touch and the Vogue are practically the same, except that the Touch is GSM, and the Vogue is CDMA. All of the tutorials that I find state that a CDMA Phone is needed, so I guess it's not possible to boot Android on a GSM?
So mine is a Regular HTC Touch, with a SIM Card, so it's a GSM Phone...
Is it possible to run Android on it, and how?
I hope you can help me.
Greets and thanks in advance.

The GSM version of the HTC Touch is known as the HTC Elf, while the CDMA version is known as the HTC Vogue
The Vogue has twice the ROM and RAM of the Elf (256mb ROM and 128mb RAM in the Vogue vs 128mb ROM and 64mb RAM in the Elf). The Vogue also has a 400mhz processor vs the 200mhz one in the Elf.
As for Android on your Elf, take a look at these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385129
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=554479

The poster above is absolutely right. In fact, the only similar thing between the Vogue and the Elf is the outer body... the internals are completely different.

Thanks for these quick answers.
So basically Android on a HTC Elf is possible, but it's not really a smart thing to do ...

Why not a smart thing to do. Even I was thinking to load an Android ROM on my Vogue.

puneet_july30 said:
Why not a smart thing to do. Even I was thinking to load an Android ROM on my Vogue.
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Vogue has no issues. Keep in mind that the build must match the device. HaReT basically is processor driven, which means that if you are not sending the right instructions to the right processor, it simply will not work. Why am I saying this? Processor for Vogue and Elf are different.