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Bluetooth has a theoretical limit of 720kbps, which should not be a limiting factor with any MP3's using bluetooth headphones....
But I just tested a file transfer between EXEC and PC, and got a transfer rate of 160kbps. Or is PAN the limiting factor here, nand we get full rate on connection to headphones?
The bluetooth dongle was close enough to the exec... why the difference?
And how would this affect higher quality MP3's, say those at around 320kbps?
And is there any hacks I can do to correct things if there is a problem?
So what? theoretical rate is usually measured in R&D within protected screens to ensure there no radio interference and possible blocking materials, also provided the chips are fully compliant wit standard. Now as in real life we dont have vacuum, even sya radio vacuum around us, do we? and also the chips manufacturers're using are cheaper, and i can go on with the list.
As for mp3's there's nothing to worry 'bout, cause ur 320 kbps is actually how much data is the MP3's standard' function using to store the audio data. Now in bluetooh audio elivery there's an internal subcodec used whic delivers the audio already DECODED by PPC to the device, producing the actual sounds. And the codec used there has nothing to do with mp3's at all, so u're just a vctim of a long story of misinformation of mass-media, which like to measure the qualit by something which is easy to explain as in numbers with mp3's. Don't worry, the bluetooth compression is not at its best with the current tech level, but it'll improve when we all get ourselves to Bluetooth 2 EDR.
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so u're just a vctim of a long story of misinformation of mass-media
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Um, I'm not really, the question just came up on other boards when someone stated that bluetooth hit a ceiling of 20KB/Sec, or 160kbps, which I tested with a file transfer and found to be absolutely correct.
Which is FAR below 720kbps.
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Don't worry, the bluetooth compression is not at its best with the current tech level, but it'll improve when we all get ourselves to Bluetooth 2 EDR.
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To be fair, saying don't worry is useless to me and everyone else as it would mean changing both my PDA and my headphones.
Thanks anyhow for the reply.
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Um, I'm not really, the question just came up on other boards when someone stated that bluetooth hit a ceiling of 20KB/Sec, or 160kbps, which I tested with a file transfer and found to be absolutely correct.
Which is FAR below 720kbps.
To be fair, saying don't worry is useless to me and everyone else as it would mean changing both my PDA and my headphones.
Thanks anyhow for the reply.
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The theory for GPRS lies around 128 kbps, and for EDGE it does at 384. You'll never get this even if standing under the cell antenna.
And as for changing PDA and headphones.. well, u didnt use this one 10 years ago? so probably you won't after 10 more years
The real bandwith you can obtain from a wireless source is ever a lot less than the theoretical one. If you misure a 1/4 bandwith in real condition, it can be realistic, or ever good, for blueooth.
The mp3 bit rating is tied with campionature system, so it is something that misure the quality of audio at the moment of the mp3 creation.
When the codec on your cell convert the mp3 data in sound data, it will be done at the quality of the codec itself, and after it will trasmitted at the quality of the media it will be reproduced.
The compression over 160 for mp3 are unavvertible unless you have a big HIFI system in your house, with perfect acustic and, believe me, ever some faith that the sound "WILL BE EXTRAORDINARY"...
With some earphones, wire or wireless, and a cell, you will never reach a quality of sound as good as you can appreciate differences of superior mp3 bandwith.
So, if you have a lot of money, you can change your cell and your bluetooth earphones and try yourself; but if you want a suggest, the mp3 bandwith don't really matter for 99.9999% of tech media.
Also with bluetooth headphones, your 320 kb/sec mp3 gets decompressed, then recompressed to another lossy compressed version, often ATRAC, SBC, MPEG or AAC. For middle quality the bit rate is maximum 237 kb/sec, for high quality maximum 345 kb/sec.
Check out chapter 4 of the A2DP specification here.
http://www.bluetooth.com/NR/rdonlyres/800D10CD-DE3D-4D51-ABC0-726C8DF26151/921/A2DPspecv10.pdf
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http://pic.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/htc-hero/gsmarena_a001.png - this frequency responce graph doesn't look promising. I know that there are ways to correct it a bit on the Dream (where it is a little bit better to start off), but how about the Hero? I'm really considering of buying this phone, and the sound quality stuff could be a real deal breaker for me.
So I would appreciate any feedback on this, thanks.
honestly, ive never really noticed anything bad about the but ill check against a mates iphone 3g and report on the results, but i may not see him till next week
If you are not an audiophile like me, you could miss the points. What I am interested in, is the highs - close to 20KHz.
I would like to believe that the frequency responce graph I mentioned earlier does not represent how Heroes sound like. It's so choppy and lacks highs - they cut of at like 15KHz or so. Also, why is that graph so choppy? iPhones are just invincible in this aspect..
So I was just wondering if someone had managed to fix this with software modifications, especially after seeing threads like this.
Connected my hero to a decent separates system and it sounded great. It blew my friend's N95 away comparing the same tracks!
1. Check out the vertical axis on that graph. Considering that 3dB is about the smallest increment/decrement in intensity that the human ear can readily distinguish, that frequency response is actually impressively flat for a consumer device.
2. Check out the frequency response of your earphones. Or, if you hook it up to your expensive hi-fi sound system, your speakers. Your frequency response is NOT going to be limited by this device but by the speakers/headphones. To see what I mean, compare that graph, which for the most part stays within +/- 0.5 dB, with this one of a pair of good quality earphones, or this one of some excellent speakers. Note the peaks and troughs in excess of +/- 7dB in the earphones, and +/- 3dB or so in the speakers.
3. From the look of the graphs, I doubt they've used the same method to test both. I don't think you'd find them that different. Maybe one is a manufacturer's stated frequency response and the other isn't, or they were tested with different types of equipment.
Although not an audiophile myself I am pretty keen on getting the best sound quality I possibly can. Before I purchased the Hero I plugged in my own cans to check frequency response. I was actually pleasantly suprised how much depth was in the music.
Not immediately noticable however was a strange noise audible at the start and end of tracks, and in quiet sections - kind of like a hiss. Although this would probably only be audible in a decent set of cans (with a wide frequency response), as an audiophile where only the best sound will do this would surely annoy the hell out of you.
The other point to note is the lack of EQ on the Hero's music player, but as an audiophile I'm sure you would frown upon using EQ anyway.
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Not immediately noticable however was a strange noise audible at the start and end of tracks, and in quiet sections - kind of like a hiss. Although this would probably only be audible in a decent set of cans (with a wide frequency response), as an audiophile where only the best sound will do this would surely annoy the hell out of you.
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I noticed that on my previous S60 Nokia but don't notice it on my new Hero. It's possible that differences in impedance or sensitivity between headphones might make this affect more noticeable on some headphones than others.
The other point to note is the lack of EQ on the Hero's music player, but as an audiophile I'm sure you would frown upon using EQ anyway.
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Absolutely right!
I wouldn't call myself an audiophile (who would?) but I do have a keen interest in the technical aspects of audio and equipment.
this is the only phone where i can say the audio is really bad. i have yet to try more than one set of wired headphones but the bt headphones i have make it sound much worse. i have had a few htc phones and this is the worst by far. mono actually sounds better than stereo. Maybe im just used to my e71's sound quality.
Oh Lol.
Audiophiles listening to music on their phones. There's absolutely no way anyone who genuinely has a critical ear would expect anything like high end (as in quality) reproduction of audio on a phone.
Either way, the Hero's got a crappy signal to noise ratio so best you move on before you get offended.
I wonder how accurate the test was for the 3GS because I have never seen a frequency response graph that flat (even my HiFi tube amp has more variations).
And if you examine the hero graph more closely, you can notice that it's really very good. It has minimal gain loss in low freq. and it spans almost linearly up to 16kHz. And that's like very good. I noticed myself that the sound quality was far better then on the iPhone. But that is just my subjective opinion. But you can take in consideration that I used some HiQuality AKG headphones to test them both.
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this is the only phone where i can say the audio is really bad. i have yet to try more than one set of wired headphones but the bt headphones i have make it sound much worse. i have had a few htc phones and this is the worst by far. mono actually sounds better than stereo. Maybe im just used to my e71's sound quality.
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Any audio quality problems with bluetooth headphones/headsets have nothing to do with the hero, because the Hero is not actually producing the sound you hear, it's just following the Bluetooth spec, so it's not relevant to the graphs posted at the top of this thread.
Just so we're clear. You may already have known this.
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And if you examine the hero graph more closely, you can notice that it's really very good.
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Just as I said above. I think the 3GS graph there is bogus; there's no way that was measured using the same equipment. Most likely it is the 'theoretical' frequency response and the Hero's is 'measured'. And when you look at the Hero graph and pay attention to the Y axis, it is actually a very good, flat frequency response.
I really enjoy almost everything about the Focus. I bought it because I was so happy with my Zune HD.
I was underwhelmed when I plugged in my Grado headphones tho. Perhaps the Zune is just very high caliber, but It seems like I am missing some lows and the soundstage seems flat. Does anyone know what sort of Hardware went into this phone? If the hardware is good, is there anything I can do software or backend to make it sound better?
I have a second complaint. When I stick a headphone jack in the mic turns off, it probably is expecting an inline mic with the headphones. My problem is when I then go to pull out my headphones the phone doesn't notice and will continue to not hear. It takes two or three times reinserting and pulling out the headphones to remidy this. Is anyone else haveing this issue.
this is a known issue and will probably be addressed in the first or second update January-February. As of now the only thing you can do is adjust the default volume to be louder...there might be other things you can tweak regarding the root menu of the device. Check out the diagnosic codes thread.
Regarding the hardware i'm pretty sure its good hardware, I think that new apps will inhance the audio experience in our beloved phones.
Welcome to the forum, please do not start two of the same threads since it will clutter the forum.
Okay thanks. I saw the diagnostic thread. It was difficult to see what the values correlate with. How do you delete a thread? The double post was not intentional
The Zune HD uses a Wolfson Microelectronics audio chip, so that's top-tier level of audio quality.
The Focus uses the built-in Snapdragon audio codec, which just isn't as good, and unfortunately, it shows.
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I have a second complaint. When I stick a headphone jack in the mic turns off, it probably is expecting an inline mic with the headphones. My problem is when I then go to pull out my headphones the phone doesn't notice and will continue to not hear. It takes two or three times reinserting and pulling out the headphones to remidy this. Is anyone else haveing this issue.
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Same problem here. But is worst, I connect the Focus to my Car Auxiliary jack to use it as a mega speaker, I mean, when someone calls I can hear them, but they can not hear me. The microphone is dead when I plug it in. Someone knows a fix for this?
After doing some comparison with my high-end DAPs, my Focus is being relegated to movie watching only...lol. It has low quality sound. I did have about 8GB of music on it and have deleted it all. There just is no need to use my Focus for music when it sounds the way it does. It isn't horrible...erm...in a sense, that is. Before I compared it I thought it was quite good...lol. Now, however, I just can't stand it.
The Focus is a nice phone and does a lot of good things and those are things it will continue to do.
I'm using Samsung Focus as MP3 player replacement, which is perfectly fine. No different from Samsung Captivate with Wolfson chip, at least to my ears.
I decided to give music on my Focus another go after the NoDo/Firmware update. It seems to have improved the sound quality...unless it's just a placebo effect. I think I can live with the SQ now and am putting my music back on it.
I'm wondering which ear phones those guys use that complain about audio issues.
I think without this additional information the comlaints are rather useless.
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I'm wondering which ear phones those guys use that complain about audio issues.
I think without this additional information the comlaints are rather useless.
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In my case, I use high-end canalphones. Shure SE530, Klipsch Image X10/X5, Sleek Audio SA6, UE Triple fi-10 and so forth.
Yeah, that's really high end. With my Westone Um1 i'm satisfied with the overall audio performance, even when there is some hissing and and whirring with low volume. I'm interested if the sound improves with the firmware update, just have to wait a few more days.
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Yeah, that's really high end. With my Westone Um1 i'm satisfied with the overall audio performance, even when there is some hissing and and whirring with low volume. I'm interested if the sound improves with the firmware update, just have to wait a few more days.
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I believe it does improve with the update. Before the update, the sound was undefined and muddy. After the update, it seems a lot less muddy and more defined.
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I believe it does improve with the update. Before the update, the sound was undefined and muddy. After the update, it seems a lot less muddy and more defined.
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Interesting, I'll have to do a little testing.
I often use my Focus at work to demo PA gear and typically use a Proco iFace for connection. I've never A/B'd my Focus and Zune30, though.
It is so hard to do AB testing because even a half decibel difference in level balance can be taken as an improvement.
The best way is to do sweeps plugged into a soundcard and graph the differences. even then some distortions can be pleasurable. But at least you can test its reproduction faithfulness comparing the wave to the original song.
It would be really interesting for somebody to run sweeps before and after nodo and see if the are identical or not.
It is possible that its improved. Sadly my zune was stolen so I can no longer compare. I can tell it still lacks some depth and can get get overwhelmed in complex passages those could be powering issues tho. I'm guessing thats what you are describing as muddy Marty.
its a worse than my work machine and i know that was a little worse than my zune which is a little worse than my home marantz. But for anyone reading this, the focus's sound is probably good enough for most people and at least comparable to most phones I think if not a bit better (never heard an I phone tho).
I will say about the HD, it had a much higher then average sound output.
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I run an open jam, and last night got to test my V20 for the first time. I was recording from right up front, probably between 10 and 15 feet from the drums and amps. I should have been more scientific, I have an SPL meter but didn't think to check it (I also dropped the phone in front of people a few times to show off its toughness, because beer), but it's definitely pretty loud up there - from the back of the room I've seen 100-110dB, iirc. I also have a Zoom H4n which I should have A/B'd with, so I'll probably do that next week. So, without further ado, here's three short clips:
lgv20_recordings.zip
It does sound pretty good! I record on the Zoom a lot and I'm pretty familiar with how it sounds, even though I didn't actually record last night. The bass response is legitimately surprising. The only real problem I hear i the cymbal hits on the loud recordings - the limiter keeps them from clipping, but man, do they get smashed. Which is of course what a limiter does, but I thought this thing is supposed to "record up to 132dB". The peak lights were definitely solid red when I shut the limiter off, and red a lot of the time with it on. I thought it I thought they meant that the phone could handle up to 132dB without clipping. Am I misunderstanding what they mean? Do they just mean the mics themselves or something?
Would love to hear anyone's thoughts and any tips or ideas you might have to get better recordings out of this thing. Just to be clear, I'm in no way disappointed or feeling gypped or anything, under the right circumstances this phone's giving a ~$200 dedicated audio recorder a run for its money! I just want to see what this thing can really do.
You're way ahead of me. I'm still trying to figure out the audio part. Visual stuff I've got a handle on but the sliders leave me scratching my head. Look forward to see what all you come up with. As for the decibels part, I think I remember people pushing that it is the mics but I have no idea how credible those people are. (Tech bloggers.)
made some guitar videos. just some quick improv jams. sounds so good.
https://youtu.be/v9Rhj_fGPQw
https://youtu.be/poVn9TKJL0Q
https://youtu.be/2sUhk2i2yDo
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You're way ahead of me. I'm still trying to figure out the audio part. Visual stuff I've got a handle on but the sliders leave me scratching my head. Look forward to see what all you come up with. As for the decibels part, I think I remember people pushing that it is the mics but I have no idea how credible those people are. (Tech bloggers.)
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Thanks for the reply! Here's a quick rundown on the faders:
GAIN: This will boost or cut the input signal. I had this set all the way down for these, which is a -20dB "pad". Haven't tested how effective this is yet. Downside to something like this is that it'll affect all the sound in a recording, so if you're trying to record a quiet sound at a bar or something by turning up the gain, you'll be turning up all the noises in the bar.
LCF: Low Cut Filter, which is more properly called a high-pass filter - guess the devs/designers weren't audio people lol. This sets the cutoff. The way these actually work is there'll be a pretty steep roll-off below the set frequency, not sure exactly by how much on this or if it's shelving or a real filter curve, but I'll definitely be playing with it to find out. These get used a lot on guitars and vocals, because you know the instrument isn't going to put out anything that low, so any freq that low is the mic picking up something else around it. For reference, I think I've seen my macbook speakers go down to about 150hz (might've been 170 though), which is the top level on the recording software. Low freqs also have a lot of energy and it's easier to damage speakers by pumping them too much if the speaker can't handle it (we've all blown car speakers, right?) so I could see in some situations using this to save a future listener from themselves, but I'd never record like that - you can always take stuff out later, but you can't put anything back.
LMT: Limiter. Basically, this takes any sound louder than a certain level and turns it down to whatever level it's set at. There's also a less extreme version of this called compression, which you might see on a home theater or TV. The downside to both is with extreme gain reduction the signal will start to sound unnatural and "squashed" - you can hear it really clearly in the loud recordings I posted.
Hope that helps, and glad to answer any audio questions if I can!
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made some guitar videos. just some quick improv jams. sounds so good.
https://youtu.be/v9Rhj_fGPQw
https://youtu.be/poVn9TKJL0Q
https://youtu.be/2sUhk2i2yDo
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Dude that's awesome! I play bass too and was actually thinking of getting a G&L soon. I see you're in central NJ, my open jam's actually at a bar called Blvd Bar and Grill in Elmwood Park, Bergen County, every Wednesday from 9-close. Come by some time!
nice! you should look at an L2000. they're great. mine is an '87 L2000 Leo fender signature model. it plays great for being 30 years old, just needs a new jack!
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Seems no one has yet made note of this Handsets audio capabilities...at least ive seen yet but I was very surprised to see listed 32bit audio :
Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes
3.5mm jack Yes
- 32-bit/384kHz audio
- Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic
Ive had galaxies in the past but none listed had hi-res capabilities till now and i was gonna get the V20 but figured i can go without the quad-DAC maybe on this since both use 32bit audio 192khz or above and get a handset that has all the hardware newest on the market instead hehe.
Lookin forward to hearing how it is...couldnt find reference to the specific DAC used.....not even sure how others are able to haha but would like to see how the V20 and S8 compare there.....the G6 also has 32bit audio but at 192khz FYI
where did you see that? My understanding was that even the NA G6 didn't get the quad DAC that was included with the Asian version.
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where did you see that? My understanding was that even the NA G6 didn't get the quad DAC that was included with the Asian version.
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No sir u misread my post =) the G6 and S8 both have only listed 32bit audio. S8 has 32bit/384khz and G6 has 32bit/192khz. Check gsmarena http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s8-8161.php
http://m.gsmarena.com/lg_g6-8466.php
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demos are much clearer in sound and quality s8s
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Not quite sure what you mean there..... Are u saying the results given during a demo review won't be the actual given on a retail version? I admit hardware capabilities can be bogged down due to other factors like bloatware etc etc but that and most other issues conflicting can be rectified typically so... If thats what u were getting at above.... Then it's no problem really.
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Not quite sure what you mean there..... Are u saying the results given during a demo review won't be the actual given on a retail version? I admit hardware capabilities can be bogged down due to other factors like bloatware etc etc but that and most other issues conflicting can be rectified typically so... If thats what u were getting at above.... Then it's no problem really.
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I believe he was trying to say that he tried the S8, listened to something pre-installed aka a demo and it sounds better than what he has heard before, presumably on the previous model. I would hope/expect that the sound quality has improved, everything else has so why not.
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No sir u misread my post =) the G6 and S8 both have only listed 32bit audio. S8 has 32bit/384khz and G6 has 32bit/192khz. Check gsmarena http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s8-8161.php
http://m.gsmarena.com/lg_g6-8466.php
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Sorry, my point was that those could be specs from Asian version of phone
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Sorry, my point was that those could be specs from Asian version of phone
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AHHHH!!!! Well I was WAAAAY off then in my interpretation lol. I did also call LG themselves to verify those parts of the specs and it is listed on Samsungs site that it's 32bit dsd64/128 and does not have it stated it only is on certain handsets or restrictions on countries. Only states dsd playback can be limited depending on format below.
Yeah I had to make sure it's audio quality was exactly as advertised before I ordered the S8... Not a fan of Samsungs phones so if I was to get it it better be packed with specs I wanted enough to override buying my other choices on top lol.
Anything beyond 24 bit/96 kHz is just marketing spec wars and doesn't matter.
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AHHHH!!!! Well I was WAAAAY off then in my interpretation lol. I did also call LG themselves to verify those parts of the specs and it is listed on Samsungs site that it's 32bit dsd64/128 and does not have it stated it only is on certain handsets or restrictions on countries. Only states dsd playback can be limited depending on format below.
Yeah I had to make sure it's audio quality was exactly as advertised before I ordered the S8... Not a fan of Samsungs phones so if I was to get it it better be packed with specs I wanted enough to override buying my other choices on top lol.
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It would be nice if they put out a standard device that had the same specs world wide, rather than us having to decipher which model has what etc. So you're taking the plunge and ordering??
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Anything beyond 24 bit/96 kHz is just marketing spec wars and doesn't matter.
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I have done the research up and down, sideways and backwards plus any other way around when concerning this argument and personally I can tell quite a few telltale differences in audio quality in formats, bit depth, bit rate etc etc and there IS noticeable differences.
The issue is, and reason, this debate is still ongoing is there are soooooo many factors/variables and/or conditions that come into play concerning any audio quality testing. It will impact what anyone finds in their results if they are even able to tell small, subtle variations in sound quality to the more obvious to start....if you have one person who is average and a layman to the technical information overall on audio then it wont make a diff or you have another who is fluent it changes the results substantially....then taking in account the soundbites format origin, how it was converted exactly from origin if it isn't lossless, what hardware/software was used to do so like using Audacity to convert/record/modify vs Soundforge, what computer/OS they used for conversion/modifications and testing with, were there any external DACs used, and audio cable connections used to route music, Headphone/speakers/bluetooth quality, etc etc its nutty....its super detailed, and change one variable in the overall process could effect things more than expected usually IE: reformatting a FLAC to MP3 then to AAC HE.
OH and i forgot that I found changing songs and stuff also will really give you more differences in results its crazy. I dont mean just change from certain genre types like classical or rock soundbites but from specific songs themselves can make a difference alone. I am still fiddling with options, formats and constantly changing songs of all types back and forth and back again while changing audio modifications one at a time....over and over and over and over.....seriously....so yes it does make a difference, it IS marketing BS in there too of course appreciate that level or need to but whether some audio bite is 24bit or 64bit or whatever is important, does make a difference in sound overall quality in the end but just may not be as important or useful depending on whom the audience or consumer is.
Besides....compared to the overblown bull of forever upgrading how many megapixels and such for phones the marketing on audio quality is barely a BLIP.....rarely do they ever put much info out on audio capabilities for those who would like it unlike camera capabilities. Every stupid review on any handset spends 1/4 of that review talking about how good the camera is on that handset, compares it to others WITH photos showing the degrees of differences in each handset, blah blah blah....just so some more narcissistic tards can have the best camera to take another 1000 selfies, pics of what they are eating or drinking at the moment or some other mundane crap they think is so relevant that everyone else HAS to see all the time....none of them know what any of the specs there are for more than the barest of reason but they give every detail though on review cause that sells.
Do these people need such high specs for their endless selfie takes...NOPE....unless you are a hobbyist into photography on whatever level/area or photography by trade then you won't really benefit from having 20 megapixels or apps that modify photos in such detail and so many really, esp if you don't fully understand those details. Its by far the hugest selling point on of any of the spec wars on phones than any other hardware part easily and all to get people to really need that upgrade for more megapixels cause more is better and they need more SELFIES and more megapixels is what the ads/salesmen say will give you that the best quality so the picture of their duckface pose or pic of what they are eating for lunch is clearer, crisper, and more detailed than the next persons on FB lol..and also warrants making handsets more expensive across the board for everyone even if they dont give a monkey a** about that addition....still gotta pay for it.
Don't let anyone talk about audio capabilities though cause that quickly gets little to no input or someone just pooing all over it cause its not important to them or they think its useless....=P.
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It would be nice if they put out a standard device that had the same specs world wide, rather than us having to decipher which model has what etc. So you're taking the plunge and ordering??
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Yup, already pre-ordered the S8.....so im looking forward to see how it performs. I was hesitant to by the LG as well for many factors as well really but i think this time around i made the best choice option overall in handsets.
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there may be differing audio quality between the SD835 and EXYNOS versions. SD variant has Aqstic most prob and the Exynos a home built LUCKY chip that actually out performed the S7 Snapdragon variant.
Now here's the thing, a DAC's sampling prowess isnt the indicator of quality. Its what amp, noise crossover cancellation and tuning is involved. If a DAC can support a Hi-Res sampling rate its all down to how its tuned and engineered into the phone.
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there may be differing audio quality between the SD835 and EXYNOS versions. SD variant has Aqstic most prob and the Exynos a home built LUCKY chip that actually out performed the S7 Snapdragon variant.
Now here's the thing, a DAC's sampling prowess isnt the indicator of quality. Its what amp, noise crossover cancellation and tuning is involved. If a DAC can support a Hi-Res sampling rate its all down to how its tuned and engineered into the phone.
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Yeah that's a whole bunch of variables to be considered that could be a deal breaker but I never can get that information across the board for any device. I never can find info on DACs for different phones like that..... Where did u get your info? I know bits of information about how all that works and to help find out a phones true quality of audio capabilities in the end but nothing complete.
I know that the Exynos version is for whatever reason always outperforming the SD variant but why the US consumers get the loser of the two is beyond me but really effed up.
I can only assume it's due to our regions having some sort of limitation/regulation on handsets capabilities like they do with our Internet.... Many places outside of US have home Internet service 3 or 4 times the speed we get.
Tidal vs spotify and every other music streaming app
Hey guys, after a week of use with the akg ear buds, and Beats solo 3 headphones I was extremely disappointed honestly felt it sounded worse than my s7 active and s5 tbh. Good clarity but terrible eq settings no matter what i tried. Needless to say I was upset for not buying the g6 especially since i own around 10 sets of headphones ranging between 99 and 800 dollars. After reading ever bit of info I could find I just could not figure out what the issue was . Well I have been a paying member of spotify for years and love it, huge fan BUT...... After a lot of research found out that tidal offers hifi audio forget the exact specs but 1600 or 1700 kbps flac. The first note that I played made me literally start laughing. This phone sounds incredible with all my headphones. Its really unbelievably clear for the size of this phone and hardware limitations. As far as,I know it's pretty hard to find dsd audio but for 19.99 you can get tidals hifi, I'm currently using tune free trial. If you haven't I recommend installing it and at least using the free 30 days. Catalogue is not quite as large as others subscriptions but I'm fairly pleased with the audio now. My g6 comes next week unfortunately I haven't put hands on one yet but can't wait to compare the quad dac with the (no one seems to know )s8 dac. I'll post my opinion of it after a few days of use. Again I don't think the issue is the hardware I believe it's just a matter of finding hi resolution audio.
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Hey guys, after a week of use with the akg ear buds, and Beats solo 3 headphones I was extremely disappointed honestly felt it sounded worse than my s7 active and s5 tbh. Good clarity but terrible eq settings no matter what i tried. Needless to say I was upset for not buying the g6 especially since i own around 10 sets of headphones ranging between 99 and 800 dollars. After reading ever bit of info I could find I just could not figure out what the issue was . Well I have been a paying member of spotify for years and love it, huge fan BUT...... After a lot of research found out that tidal offers hifi audio forget the exact specs but 1600 or 1700 kbps flac. The first note that I played made me literally start laughing. This phone sounds incredible with all my headphones. Its really unbelievably clear for the size of this phone and hardware limitations. As far as,I know it's pretty hard to find dsd audio but for 19.99 you can get tidals hifi, I'm currently using tune free trial. If you haven't I recommend installing it and at least using the free 30 days. Catalogue is not quite as large as others subscriptions but I'm fairly pleased with the audio now. My g6 comes next week unfortunately I haven't put hands on one yet but can't wait to compare the quad dac with the (no one seems to know )s8 dac. I'll post my opinion of it after a few days of use. Again I don't think the issue is the hardware I believe it's just a matter of finding hi resolution audio.
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You mean we have to use hires audio like flac to get the most out of it
How about driving heavy headphones ... Can it get loud
Definitely louder
Besides the clear improvement in quality it absolutely gets loud, I was maxing the volume out previously but using hifi I stop at the red on the volume meter. Any louder with my beats would definitely be detrimental to my hearing but I have taken them off and maxed it out. No distortion and ridiculously loud. I should say also that I use my solo3s and all my wireless headphones with the wire plugged in. That along with enabling the uhq setting makes a noticeable difference. If you aren't an audiophile tidal hifi provably isn't worth the extra money. But if you have to have the best audio available that's the best I've found so far.
Great... pls do compare with LG v20 or LG g6 and let us know
michaelpianella said:
Hey guys, after a week of use with the akg ear buds, and Beats solo 3 headphones I was extremely disappointed honestly felt it sounded worse than my s7 active and s5 tbh. Good clarity but terrible eq settings no matter what i tried. Needless to say I was upset for not buying the g6 especially since i own around 10 sets of headphones ranging between 99 and 800 dollars. After reading ever bit of info I could find I just could not figure out what the issue was . Well I have been a paying member of spotify for years and love it, huge fan BUT...... After a lot of research found out that tidal offers hifi audio forget the exact specs but 1600 or 1700 kbps flac. The first note that I played made me literally start laughing. This phone sounds incredible with all my headphones. Its really unbelievably clear for the size of this phone and hardware limitations. As far as,I know it's pretty hard to find dsd audio but for 19.99 you can get tidals hifi, I'm currently using tune free trial. If you haven't I recommend installing it and at least using the free 30 days. Catalogue is not quite as large as others subscriptions but I'm fairly pleased with the audio now. My g6 comes next week unfortunately I haven't put hands on one yet but can't wait to compare the quad dac with the (no one seems to know )s8 dac. I'll post my opinion of it after a few days of use. Again I don't think the issue is the hardware I believe it's just a matter of finding hi resolution audio.
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im assuming you've imported the Asian G6 variant, as the American version doesnt have the quad DAC right? Or is that just for europe?
Yup, wasn't certain about the U.S. version but I knew for sure the Korean version had it so went with that, kinda wishing I had done the same with my s8 but I was too impatient, that 6gb ram would've been nice to have.