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Hi all!
I own 1 wizard and I am very happy. Mow my operator made me a proposal to upgrade to the Universal for 150 Euros.
Do you think I must move to the universal or saty with my wizard?
Thank you in advance.
If your wizard is the o2 one, i'd be willing to swap my universal for your wizard for free...
Wow! seams you are not so happy with your Universal. My wizard is a T-Mobile.
I'd stay with the Wizard... the only thing that slightly tempted me to get a Universal was the VGA screen. Other than that it runs the same software as a Wizard, it's been reported time and again that it's slower than the Wizard, it's physically a good bit larger (and the Wizard isn't all that small to begin with, especially in terms of thickness), the hinge mechanism for the screen goes slack so badly that people have had 'repairs' (tightening) twice already.. keep in mind that the Universal wasn't launched that long ago, etc.
Also, the Wizard just looks pretty sexy
ZeBox: I'm almost convinced...
Well, if you really want to be convinced, go to a store that carries the Universal - just be prepared to be lured into temptation by that VGA screen But if you ignore that bit, *shrug*, Wizard all the way
I had a Universal from t-mobile, 3 infact, all the hindges went slack and clicked so they were returned and I left them for orange. Same thing again, clicks, loose so ive ditched that too.
I admit the VGA screen was a luxury, but it felt quite heavy in the pocket and stabbed me in the leg a few times sitting down. It was also quite slow, especially on somthing as simple as making a call.
Ive ended up with the Wizzard, and im very happy with it. Its the closest HTC have come to making a pda device that looks like a phone and its quite fast considering its technically slower than the Universal.
I dont think you'll be happy with a universal once the glory of the first few weeks has passed. The wizzard certainly is a fine little device and im glad I got one in the end.
Thank you guys for your opinions. Now I am convinced. I'll stay with my wizzard (t-mobile with QTEK rom) wich satisfy all my communication and organisation needs.
Thanks again.
I'm not sure I agree. My universal is faster than my old wizard, the keyboard makes a huge difference and it's no bigger than my wizard was with a cover, which you needed to protect the screen, but don't need with the Universal. Also it's more stable I used to have to soft reset my wiz all the time plus my buletooth headset works properly with it whereas it didn't with my wiz after the last ROM upgrade. And it doesn't wipe/corrup SD cards (yet). Also 3G is abig advantage in so far as I travel alot and now I don't need to pay to login to wifi hotspots, at airports for example, anymore.
Remember neither device is really a very good phone, the battery life isn't up to it and the size is prohibitive.
Well that's my opinion anyway!
simple trade off, size vs function
I had a Magician & loved it but then the Universal appeared I "had to get it", today I sold it to a workmate and bought a Wizard (T-mobile) thats a weight off my mind, and my pocket, I could not carry the Universal around with me easily, I found myself dressing in the morning to accommodate my phone (how F****d up is that?). the Wizard is more like a phone GTi and the Universat is like a 7 year old PC, as I normally carry a PSP and a Laptop for work I found the Universal slow, fragile and oversized ( the VGA left me cold, it is not really VGA, well not useable VGA, fonts are too small and none of the apps suit it. I know that there are some amazing people in this forum working hard but its kinda hard to polish a turd.
If you want a laptop, buy one, if you want a phone, buy one but do not expect one to do the others work for it.
I should have learned my lesson when I bought a Sony NZ90 (another huge bulky "PC replacement") but I think that for 99% of the techno-savvy world a phone is a phone & a computer is a computer.
rant over, sorry to the Universal owners out there
I have both and for me it's pretty obvious its all about intended use.
Wizard: small, low power CPU (although this is not so apparnt, it feels pretty quick most of the time), qvga. EDGE (at best, no EDGE here in the UK so 2G speeds only!). Fits in your pocket no problem. usable keyboard. Perfect 'everyday' PDA phone
Universal: Faster CPU (but ****ty ROMs and power schemes negate this benfit to a large extent). VGA screen is LOVELY! (but no hardware 2D or 3D acceleration means playing games or videos is a bit shakey). Really good Keyboard. Funky swiveling screen (double edged sword as the hinges seem to be a weakness). Big and really rather heavy. UMTS! Only fits in your pocket if your wearing combats! Perfect 'mini laptop' (I've composed large docs and loooong emails on mine!). Perfect PDA that happens to be a phone as well (if you see what i mean).
TBH, I have both and I use the wizard every day and the universal at weekends...
Hi,
I am currently using a Samsung F480 and I really have to say the difference in the touch screen experience is very much noticeable compared to my HTC Wizard (I'd probably call it Apple-esque - even though I never actually used their phone), however at the very same time I also have to admit that I am really missing the possibilities Windows Mobile offers.
So when I first read about the Touch HD it seemed it would unify all those. Well, meanwhile I found out that the touch screen technology basically remained the same so I'd really be interested to hear how you would actually rate it? Does one still have to press/push the screen or does a simply touch do it as well?
Apart from the touch screen topic I am also a bit uncertain after reading threads like this and in particular vangrieg's posting. How would you rate the overall performance?
Basically what I would be looking for would be a compact phone with a good display, easily extensible (Windows Mobile) and a nice touch screen experience (Apple) ....
i have it for a week now and i am very satisfied with it. Not one program crashed and no reboot so far. Internet browsing is fast and really usable. For the first time ever i really like to surf the net while commuting on the subway. GPS with TomTom7 is great - i locks in seconds even when in downtown surrounded by skyscrapers.
regarding the touchscreen, i find that i have to press really hard to get a reaction. at first i even was reluctant to press so hard because i thought i would break it with the stylus. but now i am glad that it does not react to simple touching because i usually carry it in the pocket of my trousers and touch the display when handling it and it should not react to simple touching in my view - and it does not.
Thanks kkrammer, so you havent noticed respectively cant confirm the lag mentioned by donbronzi and jon- in the indicated thread. I am asking in particular because vangrieg stated the used Qualcomm processor shouldnt be the fastest.
As to the touch screen, this is certainly a subjective matter but personally I really like Samsung's way to respond even to a very very light touch without having to actually press it. So you would say one actually has to press it, a light touch doesnt do it?
Touch HD finger pressure
After owning a Touch Diamond, I feel that the screen is much more responsive. I dont have to press hard at all. I really like it so far. Yes it is a bit bigger and heavier, its still thin. All my programs are working great.
Thanks wfhowell, actually I just went to a store and expectedly they didnt have an HD yet, however there was the Diamond and considering my touch tests I slowly begin to understand the Apple fanboys. Coming from the Samsung F480 I was almost unable to use it. So how much would you say was the HD improved in this area?
Maybe someone who used Apple's, the F480 and the HD could outline where he/she would see the differences.
hi drzoid
i know what you mean about the screen but thats the difference between the two different screen technologies. if you want the ability to use a stylus the phone can only detect it if you push. iphones can measure the current through your finger with a lot less screen pressure.
that said i use rhe advanced configuration tool from the diamond forum to make the screen more sensitive. not as nice as iphone but close
Its the best phone till today... awesome tough still not perfect..
Unless you still think that a phone requires a QWERTY keyboard (I haven't missed on yet on this awesome phon) I'd run to my local dealer
Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
marcel808 said:
hi drzoid
i know what you mean about the screen but thats the difference between the two different screen technologies. if you want the ability to use a stylus the phone can only detect it if you push. iphones can measure the current through your finger with a lot less screen pressure.
that said i use rhe advanced configuration tool from the diamond forum to make the screen more sensitive. not as nice as iphone but close
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Thanks Marcel, I know Apple's touch screen as well as - probably - the F480's measure via the skin but nonetheless I was "shocked" today when I saw what touching means in terms of the Diamond.
How "close" would you say is the sensitivity you mentioned?
Can someone who has experience with the Wizard and the HD tell if there is an actual difference in the sensitivity.
I'd love to get an HD - even if its price is currently almost prohibitive - but I am not sure whether I'd really like to go back.
mwatson said:
Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
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its not worth the upgrade in my opinion.
I found you have to push a fair bit harder with the stylus on the screen than with your finger. If you use your finger it responds to a very light touch in comparism and is very responsive.
Thanks, for a real-world example, how hard would one have to press to slide the tabbar on the home screen left and right. Would just placing the finger without actual pressure be enough?
hi drzoid
how sensitive is the screen on mine...not sure how best to answer.
On an iphone I hardly have to touch the screen. As soon as the skin touches, thats enough.
With the HD, if I press the screen, I have to push until the top of my finger squashes by 1mm. Does that makes sense??!
So try pushing on a hard surface so 1mm of your finger squashes...and thats an HD
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On an iphone I hardly have to touch the screen. As soon as the skin touches, thats enough.
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Just like with the F480.
marcel808 said:
With the HD, if I press the screen, I have to push until the top of my finger squashes by 1mm. Does that makes sense??!
So try pushing on a hard surface so 1mm of your finger squashes...and thats an HD
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Thank you Marcel, perfect explanation, even though I am not sure whether this is really close if one has to push 1mm into the screen .
Somehow my excitement gets colder, unfortunately
F480 has a capacitive screen, just like the iPhone and G1, so the HD would be worse touchy-wise (resistive screen), but according to reviews HD's screen is quite close to iPhone's sensitivity. Anyway, you can't write with the stylus on those and you can on the HD
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F480 has a capacitive screen, just like the iPhone and G1, so the HD would be worse touchy-wise (resistive screen), but according to reviews HD's screen is quite close to iPhone's sensitivity. Anyway, you can't write with the stylus on those and you can on the HD
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Well, personally I dont really need a stylus, although the magnetic of the HD makes a precious impression. Anyhow Samsung's screen is what I would really define as touch screen. It would be interesting how close it is, but the 1mm Marcel mentioned doesnt sound too close .... I guess I will have to wait until I can see the HD live.
What a shame almost
For me, the ability to use stylus is a big plus. I like the option of being able to use product such as Netfront Browser. It is a lot easier to click on links and to type quickly on keyboards as compared to using finger. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against fingers. In fact, 99% of the time I use my device with just fingers. There are times when I feel that stylus is a lot easier. I consider this to be a plus over iPhone actually. I wish iPhone can support both, because then I need not zoom in before activating a link.
I would say it's about the same as using a touchpad on a laptop if using your finger, it's pretty good
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Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
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I have both the diamond (business phone) and, recently, the HD (personal phone). The HD is a step change in a number of ways. The larger screen, in purely size terms, makes sense of the touchflo interface. Buttons are big, and useable, and I'm rarely (if ever) pulling out the stylus. Also the software itself is faster, more developed (losts of little changes - like answering a call uses a finger gesture, rather than pressing a button - which means you are much less likely to inadvertantly answer an incoming call in your pocket. a little thing, but one of a myriad of significant little changes). The stock ROM is blisteringly fast in comparison (my diamond is the t-mobile version, and a shocker in comparison). Given that they are roughly the same hardware it shows what the diamond may become capable of. The screen is spectacular. The sensitivity (though lacking multi-touch, no biggie for me) feels just right. The battery life literally takes my breath away. I've run it for two lumps of two days, and not yet got the battery below 50%. My diamond corpses after about 24 hours.
It's the best WM device I've had by a country mile, and I've had a few. I still like my diamond, though. It's little and I can look after it much better when I'm out for a riotous night on the town. The HD is big, and until I can get a silicone case for it, it's a dropped smashed phone waiting to happen (I hate having to remove a phone from a case to use it, it massively increases the chance of accidents).
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I would say it's about the same as using a touchpad on a laptop if using your finger, it's pretty good
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Really? If I judge it from my Acer Aspire I would then actually call it decent.
I really have to find a store where you can try it out .
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For me, the ability to use stylus is a big plus. I like the option of being able to use product such as Netfront Browser. It is a lot easier to click on links and to type quickly on keyboards as compared to using finger. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against fingers. In fact, 99% of the time I use my device with just fingers. There are times when I feel that stylus is a lot easier. I consider this to be a plus over iPhone actually. I wish iPhone can support both, because then I need not zoom in before activating a link.
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Well, I can talk only for the F480 which actually has Netfront and there you can click links without zooming, even if you have aim well sometimes.
Lets say I am not against a stylus but I am for the touch experience the F480 brings .
When the X1 was first announced, I was all over it. Then the Touch Pro with TF3D was announced, and I thought... the X1 is too 'raw' compared to the 'slick' Touch Pro, so Touch Pro for me!
Then I tried the FUZE (AT&T's Touch Pro) and I was disappointed in a few areas where I was not expecting to be disappointed (details below).
So, as it stands today, I am leaning back toward the X1 over the FUZE (TP). But it's a close call, and I'm still undecided. Here’s why:
1. Xperia hardware looks like a device that I would be proud to be paired with. In other words, just like Apple, Sony understands that a gadget can also be a fashion accessory. That’s a 2-fer in terms of value-add.
2. I have found the FUZE to be too heavy and bricky to be really pocket-friendly. This was a major disappointment when I checked it out at AT&T last week! I was all ready to buy the FUZE when I realized that it would take a serious adjustment to have that kind of weight and thickness in my pocket. It remains to be seen how I feel about the X1’s weight and thickness (since it's not released yet in the States). But, in terms of the specs published, the X1 looks to be about .5oz lighter than the FUZE. NOTE: The FUZE for some odd reason seems to be .5oz heavier than the Sprint Touch Pro and the HTC Touch Pro. No idea why.
3. The X1 has more hard buttons on the front panel, and more easily pressed hard buttons on the front panel. I have heard serious complaints about the “up” arrow on the X1 d-pad, but I will have to see for myself if that is insurmountable. I have played with FUZE, and the front panel buttons are not confidence-inspiring. I feel like it’s a negotiation with each press of the dpad.
4. The absence of the g-sensor on the X1 is stunning, and quite disappointing. What a huge bummer. What the heck was Sony thinking? G-sensors = cool + fun. Xperia = cool+fun. What am I missing?
5. The FUZE is about $175 w/plan on AT&T, and the X1 will be around $700 retail in a few weeks (with coupons, etc.). Yikes, that’s not a marginal difference in price, is it? I’m not sure I can justify a 4x price difference for a phone that is about 1.5x as good. Or, can I? Well, it’s like buying clothing: I can spend $200 on a shirt or $10 on a shirt. They both cover my torso about as effectively, but which one do I want people to see me paired with? This goes back to the gadget-as-accessory frame.
6. Panels. I figured they would be a dead platform as soon as 09, but the new facebook panel could be a game-changer. It shows how Panels could be the equiv to iPhone apps! Will panels have market mojo? What incentives are Sony peddling for developers to get on board? What kind of penetration can panels have if limited to only 1 device? Very chicken/egg situation here, and kind of a risk for X1 owners if they are relying on panels to breathe life into WM6.1.
7. TouchFlo 3D on X1. If this really ends up being portable to the X1 with 100% functionality and no bugs, then the X1 ends up being the more flexible device of the two. But 100% compatibility seems to be a ways off still, for many good reasons. Conversely, it is highly unlikely for several reasons that the TP would ever get panels. Sure, they might be portable over to the TouchPro HD, but that’s not the TP/FUZE, is it?
8. Keyboards. I’ve read some horrific reviews of the X1 keyboard, but they’ve been scattered and not consistent. So, I guess I’ll have to wait to actually try one myself to see how bad it really is. I tested out the FUZE keyboard, and I know it gets rave reviews, but coming from my HTC S710/Vox, I found the lack of space between the keys troubling. I’m sure I’d get used to it, but it seems like the X1’s layout (with spaces between keys) is more like my S710’s layout, which I find quite comfortable to type on. I am quite concerned about the lack of tactile feedback on the X1 keyboard, though. If there’s no feedback, then what’s the point of a hardware keyboard? Again, reviews have not been satisfactory around this aspect of the X1, so I’ll have to wait to see for myself.
9. Touchiness. I found the FUZE to be fiddly with touch sensitivity. Too often, a swipe was interpreted as a select, which was quite annoying. I've read that the X1 has a better touch experience, but that will be something I'll have to xperience myself, I guess.
10. Screen rotation. OK, big minus for X1 to have no G-sensor, but big plus for X1 for its apparent "instant switch" technology between landscape and portrait modes! I've seen some videos and it's quite impressive in Opera. One of the reasons why I 'dread' to go to my slide-out keyboard on my S710 is due to the lag. It's just painful to wait. If there were no "wait tax" on using the slide-out keyboard, I might go to it more readily.
11. Dpad+ features. The FUZE has the circular zoom thang, and the X1 has the glidey thing. No idea which is preferable. Both are interesting in their own way.
So, this is where I am right now re: X1 v. FUZE. To be honest, I am kind of looking for excuses to cheap out and get the FUZE just so I'm not spending $700 on a friggin phone. But the thickness and weight are things that I'd have to adjust to.
Does anyone have any thoughts/comments/additions to this analysis?
Jon
[cross-posted on X1 and Raphael forums so I can get both viewpoints]
Ops wanted to post this somewhere else sorry :-(
xperia has same hardware + bigger screen but no tv out and accelerometer. these are unuseful for me, and touchflo3D from touchHD runs great on x1
we have xda, we don't have to choose a device for his software, and xperia is indeed an HTC device so ALL tweaks and programs are compatible. x1 looks better and seems to be less fragile, i purchased xperia and now I tweak it with all i need from others devices
I have the same problem. Still unsure what device to buy, but tend towards the X1. I've used both devices.
Keyboard:
X1 wins for me. Its just more clear and more intuitive to use with the 4 row layout. Yes, the keys are small, but I had absolutly no problem with hitting the right one. The feedback was okay and definitely not a problem. The sliding mechanism is better as well, as is the depth of the slide-out part. It just seems more stable, better to hold and easier to use. Of course, A CRTL button and a CAPSlock LED would have been nice.
Size and weight:
X1 wins big time. The X1 is a little thinner and much more lighter. It just feels better in the hand and in the pocket.
Display:
Possibly the biggest advantage over the touch pro. The display is sharp as hell and web browsing is a pleasure. The fast and almost instantaneous swith between landscape and normal view is just awesome.
And some minor things like battery and the nice optical Joystick when internet surfing ...
Some cons:
X1 display not leveled. But when I used the X1 the first time I was surprised that its not a problem at all. the display itself is a little smaller than the cutting in the cover. So I had no problem pushing the X-Button or Start-Button.
No G-Sensor. Its just sad SE didn't implement that. Would have been nice, but its not a no-go ...
Will order it next week I think, but will take a last look at the touch pro to be sure ...
10. Screen rotation. OK, big minus for X1 to have no G-sensor, but big plus for X1 for its apparent "instant switch" technology between landscape and portrait modes! I've seen some videos and it's quite impressive in Opera. One of the reasons why I 'dread' to go to my slide-out keyboard on my S710 is due to the lag. It's just painful to wait. If there were no "wait tax" on using the slide-out keyboard, I might go to it more readily.
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well, after you loaded more softwares in your phone, it will get quite laggy especially in some softwares, dunno about others, but it does lag here
nap007 said:
well, after you loaded more softwares in your phone, it will get quite laggy especially in some softwares, dunno about others, but it does lag here
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Hmmm... so is the lag gap because one is running TF3D and one isn't? How bad does the lag get? And is it from installed apps, or running apps?
it will be running (or even run) apps which are causing it. However a soft reset once every few days should ensure it runs smoothly all the time.
yeah i have to find a decision, too
i think i will buy the x1, because the dimensions the depth is 1mm smaller then the touch pro. currently i use the wizard, its a really fat door stopper.
I am fortunate to actually own both these devices at the moment (thanks to an upgrade on my contract) so I can tell you what my findings are:
:: Hardware X1 problems ::
My battery cover refused to stay on. I was forced to get a small screwdriver and push the little metal tabs (near the SE logo) down a bit lower. This has been noted in other forums. The battery cover is a pain to get off if you don't have long fingernails.
The soft-reset button is under the said battery cover! I mean who decided that was a good idea??
The speaker is situated in a place that is often covered up by the palm of your hand (if you are right handed) and subsequently blocks the sound. The same can be said for the positioning of the camera lens, which frequently gets covered by fingers as you hold the phone in a natural camera position.
Notification LED's that are just too dim to see as they are located in between the keyboard and top panel. They have a rather confusing display of colours and none of them give you signal/bluetooth status for example.
There is a much documented report of a potential problem with case cracking.
No G-Sensor and the keyboard lacks the tactile feel and separate number keys of the Touch Pro.
But...
It has a fantastic screen response, very smooth. Fast landscape rotation on opening the keyboard, which glides out in a smooth curve. Dedicated hardware buttons and a cool optical sensor which works really well in web pages. GPS is really fast and accurate. A proper separate headphone socket.
:: Hardware TouchPro Problems ::
Unpredictable button presses
Lack of hardware buttons, especially a windows key and an OK key (also missing from the keyboard) No camera button, this is a serious omission.
Screen is not very scratch resistant (2 on mine caused by the useless case that is supplied) It's also very unresponsive, I find myself 'jabbing' the stylus at it sometimes to get it to acknowledge a response.
Poor battery life. Heavy/Bulky.
But...
has a beautiful VGA screen, the BEST keyboard I ever used on a mobile device, has a G-Sensor, a magnetic stylus which turns on the device on removal, touch sensitive D-Pad (Ok can be hit and miss sometimes but great for zooming) and has TV out.
:: Software X1 ::
The panels are disappointing. You can only set up 9 at a time, so if this really takes off you're going to have to sacrifice a few of your favourites. That's assuming that the panel idea is not going to turn out to be a flash in the pan. The ones supplied are a tad dull.
No YouTube application
Not all software works with the WVGA screen. Especially games. I found about 20 of my favourite apps weren't supported. Ok, this may change when developers bring out new releases but some may never work.
:: Software TouchPro ::
TouchFlo 3D looks sexy, but it is probably the biggest cause of crashes. I found myself constantly soft-resetting. Eventually after reading other users comments, I turned it off and a lot of problems disappeared.
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In conclusion....
Obviously pros and cons with both. I think none of us will ever be satisfied with everything. What aggravates me is that HTC (who make both devices) don't seem to take all the good stuff from past models and make the perfect device! You get used to one feature only to find it missing the next time you upgrade.
So we have to see which feature is important to us and decide.
Here is the clincher....
The TouchPro / FUZE is probably the MOST UNRELIABLE PDA I have ever owned. I constantly have to reset and cope with weird behaviour on a daily (no hourly) basis. Very unstable.
The X1 is probably the most RELIABLE PDA I have ever owned!!!! and has coped with a mountain of stuff I have loaded on to it, and it continues to cope admirably! I don't have to worry about using it.
This is the most important feature for me and is why ultimately I am selling the TouchPro very shortly.
Hope this helps you decide.
Apprentice,
That was a fantastic comparison/review. Thank you so much for your insights. So, the X1 does not seem "bulky" even though it's only 1mm thinner?
not at all. its quite small in person. xperia all the way
Thank you apprentice for your review, and to JonDeutsch for starting this thread. I could have written your questions/opinions almost word for word. I am in the same place trying to decide which of these 2 phones to get.
I currently have a 8125 (Wizard) that I have flashed WM 6.1 w/M2D. When I had WM5 loaded it was slow and I was having all kinds of lockup & misc problems. Since flashing wm6.1 the phone seems to be on it's second life (faster and no lockups), so now I'm not is as much of a hurry to get into something else.
I went to the att store a few days ago to look at the Fuze. I walked out more confused about which to get. I was not impressed with the Fuze at all. To me, it seemed slow and sluggish for a new model with a cpu that is >2x faster than mine. Comparing it side by side with my 8125 the size was smaller and thinner, but the screen was physically smaller even though they are both supposed to be 2.8".
I was really looking forward to the Omnia also, but since I don't know if it will ever be coming to the US I've moved on to these two models. I also like the Touch HD, but not having 3G for the US won't pass the test either.
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Hi
I think all is said. I owned both devices and I selled my TP. Why?:
1) G-sensor is nice but I dont use it.
2) TV-out is nice but I only used it once to see a film in a hotel but hasnt full support with CorePlayer so the quality isnt very good.
3) Screen is much better in X1. Now you can really surf a web in your sofa.
4) GPS performance is much better in X1
5) Stability is much better in X1
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So no doubt for me....
Dani
What led me to the X1 was a combination of the following:
- much longer standby time
- not much bigger than a default cell phone
- I like the X1's keyboard layout better (matter of taste...)
- standard headphone jack
- I prefer "rotate only when keyboard's slide out" to "Oops, I rotated the screen accidentally!". Though I admid the G-sensor would be fun for games. But then again, most games don't even support WVGA, not to mention a propietary G-sensor extension that makes the apps incompatible to everything but a couple of HTC devices...
- X1 is a bit faster in most tests. Though that's probably only a driver thing, the Touch HD is faster than X1 and Raphael with almost the same hardware and WVGA display (more pixels than Raphael).
- I thought the panels are an interesting idea. However, by now I don't give a dime to that. Too propietary, too slow, too limited (few available, max 9 at a time), clumpsy handling (press panel button, touch on screen, wait - every time you want to switch to another panel...), ...
- The WVGA screen - though that's been more of a developer decition, so I've got a test device for that. Otherwise, I would have preferred the more compatible and bigger (in size per pixel) VGA display.
- X1 looks better
- and it was a bit cheaper...
In hindsight, Panels, as mentioned, turned out as a flop for me, and having to use WVGA fix for some games is quite annoying. But otherwise, the additional screen estate is really great (browsing in landscape, lots of infos on the Today screen, more entries in lists, ...), the keyboard is way better than I expected after some reviews, and I like how it feels more like a "dump" cell phone in my pocket and regarding standby time.
The "optical joystick"s really nice in some apps (esp. for slow scrolling - for fast scrolling flicking is better imho), while sometimes a bit too sensible in others. I wish there was a better "(don't) use in that application" configuration then just the few fixed apps (iirc, PIE, contacts, and messaging). But if you don't like it at all, you can just deactivate it completely...
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Apprentice,
That was a fantastic comparison/review. Thank you so much for your insights. So, the X1 does not seem "bulky" even though it's only 1mm thinner?
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You're welcome!
I can't recommend the X1 enough to be honest.
As for the bulkiness issue... it may only be 1mm less in depth (which I didn't realise as it looks a lot more than that!) but it's the difference in width that makes it less bulky. Also long and slim is way easier in your pocket. Finally the corners are nicely rounded. It really handles and looks like a regular 'candy bar' type phone.
user experience X1
I'll provide you with my point of view. Since i'm someone who actualy uses this for it's business functionality, i'm not that interested in sound quality / video playback/ camera functionality/ games/ eyecandy. My previous phone was a TYTN/ HERMES (last 2 years), prior to that I owned a jam/ qtek100 (20 months).
NOT having owned a TP/FUZE I won't be able to comment on it's pros and cons but having an X1 i can add some points which I think have been exagerated or been overlooked imho. I did look at a TP in a shop but wasn't impressed by it's feel, too plasticky/synthetic. The X1 looks and feels like a premium lifestyle accesory whereas the TP would be a top of the line 'gadget'.
Keyboard
The keyboard is one of the main issues in the reviews. I'm not bothered by it it but it is not as good as my HTC TYTN keyboard. Having said that, it's not as awful to me as some reviews implied, it's pretty usable to me. If you have bigger hands/fingers the TP might be a better option.
G-sensor
Looked like a lot of fun, but it would probably annoy me more than it would improve my life:
I do a lot of excel / powepoint/ word stuff on my phone and sometimes i'd like to pass my phone over to someone else to give them a glance of the figures i'm working on. With a g-senor the screen would tilt with eacht flick of the wrist putting some columns or rows beyond the visible area. Not having had that on my previous phones I decided I wouldn't be missing it.
TF3D/panels
At first i discarded the panels, flashed a lite rom and loaded tf3d. I thought TF was a bit slow , buggy and did not add any value for me so i went back to the plain WM screen.
Last week i reinstalled the panels, including the spb one and i 'm beginning to appreciate it. especialy the spb that has shortcuts to programmes and settings so i don't need the startbutton that much anymore (one handed operation!!) Best thing: it has a 'soft reset' button so no more picking at the battery cover to reach the reset hole (bad decission that is to have a reset button out of reach on a windows device). The SE panel is my main panel because i can display the next 5 or 6 upcoming appointments on one screen. TF can only display 2 appointments on the start screen afaik.
Dpad (touchscreen)
As stated above I used tf3d for a while. The fingerprints on the screen drove me mad. the same kind of scrolling can be achieved with the d-pad after a few days of usage and growing accustomed to its usage and responsiveness. I realy like the dpad now (allthough it could have been a bit more higher or the borders surrounding it could be a tad lower). Having this experience i was confinced i don't want multitouch or a full surface screen.
Arrow keys
This was the reason I nearly didn't buy the X1; I Liked them and used them a lot on my TYTN but after practising on the old TYN with the joystick instead of the arrow buttons I decided I could live with it. So not really missing them since the dpad has replaced this functionality. I admit it requires some effort to get a bit used to putting your thumb on the dpad instead of the keyboard itself but it's easy to grow accustomed to (after 2 solid years with my previous phone and it's arrowkeys).
Screen
Biggest gain. I can finaly look at full webpages on my phone and don't need to revert to the mobile version of a webpage. Clear and sharp but i can appreciate the argument that you need a bigger screen (i.e. touc HD) for this kind of resolution. For me and my sharp eyes it works fine , someone with less sharp eyes can use the zoom function of Opera .
Dimensions
Roughly about the same size as a normal Nokia candybar business phone. Some people complain it's a bit too heavy but i like that. Makes it feel solid.
Conclusion
My main conclusion up till now: it has the wow factor (someone actually said 'Wow' in a bar when i pulled it out). Thank god i didn't go for a full touchscreen without hardware buttons: the fingerprints would drive me crazy.
I'm happy with my choice but would understand if there are just some little things that would convince someone to buy a TP; just a matter of priorities.
The X1 is also too expensive to reccommend to everyone. I decided that the premium look and feel was worth it combined with the top of the range specs and the software flexibility. if it was a SE manufactured phone with symbian I wouldn't have bought it, the micro sd card and mini usb charging and the ROM enhancements are the reason i prefer HTC devices.
I hope the above helps....
Best thing: it has a 'soft reset' button so no more picking at the battery cover to reach the reset hole
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There are other tools for that as well. Additionally, you can simply press the power switch for a few seconds. If you phone isn't crashed completely, a message box whether you really want to switch off is shown (and if it hangs, you're not able to launch something from a panel either...). Turning it on immediately afterwards does the same as a soft reset.
(bad decission that is to have a reset button out of reach on a windows device).
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Not only for those. Sometimes I wished for a reset button on other cell phones, too. But yes, the location sucks. Sometimes it faster to temporarily remove the battery...
Im closing this thread. This kind of postings leads to no good. Flaming is not accepted
Itje
After receiving my X1 yesterday, I was TOTALLY disappointed. What a piece of shi*
The thing is SLOW, the screen is TINY, and the panels interface....what a waste of time and energy. I've always used WM phones in the past and owned the original iPhone and then the 3G iPhone. I love my iPhone and hate it at the same time (don't worry this isn't an iPhone fanboy post). I need my cut and paste, and overall basic functionality without having to jailbreak the damn thing to make i do what I want.
So I thought I would cop an Xperia. It didn't last 24 hrs before I decided to RMA that puppy right back to SonyStyle.
What I hated about it:
- Screen was TINY. I was really shocked at how small it was. The screen and the unit itself. The web pictures and reviews don't really paint a picture of how small this thing is. Small and light is good, but the screen is crappy after coming from an iPhone.
- Touchscreen? I think not. The touch screen is no more touch than a PPC-6700.
- SLOOOOOOOW
- After charging it and waking up this morning the screen was defunct. It was like the contrast was turned all the way up or something. The sceen looked totally washed out. Major disappointment.
Overall I was just really let down. This phone is not work $799. Maybe I set my expectations too high, but it wasn't at all what I was expecting.
Not to mention I was already thinking about putting TouchFLo on it, then I said...why am I trying to put TouchFLo on this piece of crap when I can just get me a Touch HD and be done with it.
I want the CLOSEST thing to an iPhone style setup but with ease/convenience/flexibility of Windows Mobile. I PRAY that I won't be disappointed with the Touch HD I just purchased.
I understand how you feel. If I were you, I would have just installed TF3D onto your xperia. That's the clostest to an iphone setup. I have an iphone too and it takes some getting use to the xperia touch screen.
almost the opposite, after using it for the day, im put my iphone 3g up on ebay for sale
using Touch-IT Xperi.v3.5 and disabled the panel and X key, it is fast and responsive. the only disappointment is the screen is lower than surrounding. really good resolution.
Also topic creator, HTC makes this "crap" phone that you speak of (xperia) Same company who makes the touch HD
Yea I understand I would try it with the new updated ROM R2 (but you have already RMA'd it) but I felt the same way - for the price it should be much better - I feel the real problem is with the software and the latest SONY released ROMs have made the phone actually work.
yogi:
I'm fully aware that HTC makes the Xperia. I'm sure Sony had a lot to do with how they wanted their phone to operate. I'm generally just not pleased with it. I feel good about the Touch HD. I think it's going to be the closest I can get to a Windows Mobile funtional OPEN phone with iPhone like useability. I should have known the X1 wasn't going to be much different from an old PPC-6700 that I owned back in the day.
That's cool man but I would have gave the xperia some more time. I was going to get a touch HD myself but couldn't pass up the price I got for the xperia. And with the new update, touchFlo 3D is butter smooth.
derrickonline said:
After receiving my X1 yesterday, I was TOTALLY disappointed. What a piece of shi*
The thing is SLOW, the screen is TINY, and the panels interface....what a waste of time and energy. I've always used WM phones in the past and owned the original iPhone and then the 3G iPhone. I love my iPhone and hate it at the same time (don't worry this isn't an iPhone fanboy post). I need my cut and paste, and overall basic functionality without having to jailbreak the damn thing to make i do what I want.
So I thought I would cop an Xperia. It didn't last 24 hrs before I decided to RMA that puppy right back to SonyStyle.
What I hated about it:
- Screen was TINY. I was really shocked at how small it was. The screen and the unit itself. The web pictures and reviews don't really paint a picture of how small this thing is. Small and light is good, but the screen is crappy after coming from an iPhone.
- Touchscreen? I think not. The touch screen is no more touch than a PPC-6700.
- SLOOOOOOOW
- After charging it and waking up this morning the screen was defunct. It was like the contrast was turned all the way up or something. The sceen looked totally washed out. Major disappointment.
Overall I was just really let down. This phone is not work $799. Maybe I set my expectations too high, but it wasn't at all what I was expecting.
Not to mention I was already thinking about putting TouchFLo on it, then I said...why am I trying to put TouchFLo on this piece of crap when I can just get me a Touch HD and be done with it.
I want the CLOSEST thing to an iPhone style setup but with ease/convenience/flexibility of Windows Mobile. I PRAY that I won't be disappointed with the Touch HD I just purchased.
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Have you heard of customizing the phone to suit your needs? If you want it to perform out of the box, then you should have stuck with your iphone
you should read what are you buying. Xperia is a professional device, made for use with a stylus or to be customized with alternative interface.
I you want a soap box ready to use go to buy an iphone
different target, different potential, different users
All the customizing in the world couldn't make up for the work needed to get that Xperia up to par.
Get over it man!
Regards,
Astoroth
X1 --- You gotta love it
the iphone is a joke compared with any decent windows mobile device... a gadget that you have to "jailbreak" just to do something without going the manufacturer's way is a ****ing ****.
anyways, my X1 is fast, actually is one of the fastest (in overall experiencie) wmo devices out there. also, the screen is not tiny, sure the iphone or the touch hd are a bit bigger, but hey, the x1 itself is smaller! do you understand that you can't get both things (smaller device + bigger screen = fail).
i don't understand why you decided to get an x1 if you were happy with the form factor of the iphone. i would have thought that the touch hd iis the closest match.
personally, i'm delighted with the x1. it's the first pocket pc i've ever had that actually feels like a phone rather than a pda in my pocket.
i'm more than happy to have a smaller screen if it means that the device is more pocketable, and i get a hardware keyboard too.
admittedly the panels aren't much to shout about but i've got absolutely no complaints about speed on my device. on the contrary, it's the fastest pocketpc i've ever owned.
hopefully the touch hd will be more suited to your needs ...
Im sooo sorry for you!
Cmon man, this is a developers site. If you dont like it, customize it!
I dont really know WHY youre telling us how you hate it? Like we care.
I love my Xperia!
3.5" @ 320 x 480
3" @ 800 x 480
Righhhhtt.....
If 0.5" matters to you that much, go back to iPhone
derrickonline said:
After receiving my X1 yesterday, I was TOTALLY disappointed. What a piece of shi*
The thing is SLOW, the screen is TINY, and the panels interface....what a waste of time and energy. I've always used WM phones in the past and owned the original iPhone and then the 3G iPhone. I love my iPhone and hate it at the same time (don't worry this isn't an iPhone fanboy post). I need my cut and paste, and overall basic functionality without having to jailbreak the damn thing to make i do what I want.
So I thought I would cop an Xperia. It didn't last 24 hrs before I decided to RMA that puppy right back to SonyStyle.
What I hated about it:
- Screen was TINY. I was really shocked at how small it was. The screen and the unit itself. The web pictures and reviews don't really paint a picture of how small this thing is. Small and light is good, but the screen is crappy after coming from an iPhone.
- Touchscreen? I think not. The touch screen is no more touch than a PPC-6700.
- SLOOOOOOOW
- After charging it and waking up this morning the screen was defunct. It was like the contrast was turned all the way up or something. The sceen looked totally washed out. Major disappointment.
Overall I was just really let down. This phone is not work $799. Maybe I set my expectations too high, but it wasn't at all what I was expecting.
Not to mention I was already thinking about putting TouchFLo on it, then I said...why am I trying to put TouchFLo on this piece of crap when I can just get me a Touch HD and be done with it.
I want the CLOSEST thing to an iPhone style setup but with ease/convenience/flexibility of Windows Mobile. I PRAY that I won't be disappointed with the Touch HD I just purchased.
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Are u using Xperia from Sony Ericsson???
Mine is different. Clear screen, fast and wonderful. If I may say, this baby just know what I need.
my SE X1 rocks ....
i always get compliments about it! (more than an iphone would anyday) ok the panels are kinda a waste of space ...but still they are still cool.
and yes when i first got it i didnt like the speed and it did lag ...but its now a custom pocket rocket, no operator crap etc.
i would like to say a friend of mine has a iphone, played with it for a few hours and was very disapointed. apart from the flashy UI its really a rubbish phone (bought through a apple hype machine that tells u its cool to have one). the x1 was hard to get into but some remarks made are rubbish. small screen???? slow? i think not.
ps. bluetooth / mms on iphone anyone, screen rez is poor too and i heard it cant multitask. thats why it runs very fast.
thats my rant over.
u should also check out the phone before u buy it, i checked out iphone/htc hd and blackberry storm. its only when u have it in your hand and have a play u can really decide which is best for u. i needed the hardware keyboard
There's always individual need which is important.
Many many users rather want a device to "feel right" than "do a lot". And that's fine.
However IMO the author makes two mistakes: X1 screen is many times better than iPhone, and "iPhone" usability is laugh compared to X1...
Provocation... ehh...
A couple weeks ago I got a new myTouch 3g with 3.5mm jack from T-Mobile. I had a lot of issues with it, including it spontaneously unmounting from my computer when trying to copy files to it, the speaker suddenly ceasing to work, vibrate seemingly turning itself off at it's leisure. Pretty annoying, so, I exchanged it. I'm having the same issues. I'm irritated. It doesn't have the gorgeous hardware spec to make it worth the trouble I'm having. I've tried different cords, different micro SD cards (including class 6) and haven't stopped having these issues. So, I'm going to exchange the phone and get an HD2.
I've read up on all the forums about it, and I understand that WM is not the most intuitive/trouble free mobile OS out of the box, but I'm confident that I can tweak it enough to my liking and be happy with it. The HD2's magic hardware makes me think it'll be worth it.
I've tried all the phone platforms except WM up to this point, including Android, iPhone (all gens), blackberry OS, and WebOS.
My favorite is WebOS, but there's no hardware out there yet to make it worth it to use it. I've tried the Pre, and there are too many hardware issues, including the dreaded Oreo Twist, plus the battery life was absolutely horrible. It's smaller sister, the Pixi, is too underpowered and the screen is too small. However, the OS itself is a thing of magic. It works great, has tons of polish, is very intuitive (I never knew I needed a gesture area until I had one), and is very open to hacks and tweaks. When someone can put WebOS on the HD2 my mobile life will be complete, that is until the next best thing comes out. Maybe a 5 inch screen?
Anyway, getting back on track. I'm excited that I'll soon be joining all of the wondrous HD2 discussions once I have my almost tablet phone in my hands.
-Ashley
Good luck with your HD2 and welcome to the forums. My HD2 is my 8th WinMo device.... WinMo is the most versatile and customizable mobile os out there, but it does take some learning and tweaking to get it the way you want. After my Athena with a 5inch screen, I got spoiled and used to having a big screen. I had a raphael after that, but that screen was to small after having a 5" screen, so I'm happy to be back on a device with a big screen again. You definitely have trouble going back to a small screen after using devices with nice big screens.
Have fun.
Welcome to our little corner of xda Ashley....congratulations on your excellent taste in cutting-edge mobile electronics, and your uncommon wisdom in actually doing your research before spending your money. Wise choices for both of those
The only heads-up I could offer other than what you'll find (and have found) through careful reading here, is to be prepared for the step from a resistive screen to a capacitive one...that difference will have as much impact in your experience as the size of the screen does. It's not a bad thing, but I might suggest you start now getting used to having your thumb hover about 2mm higher above the screen than you're in the habit of now
Let us know if you run into anything daunting or confusing or just need suggestions.
Thanks everyone! Although I'm pretty sure the myTouch3G actually does use a capacitive touch screen, it's not nearly as responsive as I noticed the demo unit HD2's were.
ashykat said:
Thanks everyone! Although I'm pretty sure the myTouch3G actually does use a capacitive touch screen, it's not nearly as responsive as I noticed the demo unit HD2's were.
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Correct...The MT3G does have a capacitive touch screen.
The screen on the HD2 is far too responsive IMO and most will agree...there is a program called BSB tweaks that you will want to put on your HD2 that allows your to do a lot of stuff that is not available in the default settings(decreasing the screen sensitivity is one of them).
I as well had a MT3G just before moving to the HD2, and while I still hold a special place in my heart for all of the old devices in my closet (Even my iPhones)...I couldnt see replacing my HD2 with anything that is currently on the market.
Wow, I honestly thought it was still resistive....it's easily the least capacitive-feeling screen I've ever played with lol