Database Users

No word completion pop-up

I've become the proud owner of a Touch HD just yesterday. The thing I find oddest about it so far is that I don't get any word completion pop-ups as I enter text. I'm not talking about just the HTC-specific input methods either; it doesn't happen even when I use the Letter Recognizer or the standard Windows Mobile keyboard.
I've turned on all options I could find that looked remotely related to this, and I have yet to see a single word completion pop-up since I got this device. Am I missing something or are those pop-ups not available on this device for some reason?

guney said:
I've become the proud owner of a Touch HD just yesterday. The thing I find oddest about it so far is that I don't get any word completion pop-ups as I enter text. I'm not talking about just the HTC-specific input methods either; it doesn't happen even when I use the Letter Recognizer or the standard Windows Mobile keyboard.
I've turned on all options I could find that looked remotely related to this, and I have yet to see a single word completion pop-up since I got this device. Am I missing something or are those pop-ups not available on this device for some reason?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i can't speak for all methods, but i always use HTC's FULL QWERTY, you just need to "flick the switch" from "ABC" to "T9", this switch is somewhere to the left of the space bar. hope that helps

buggybug0 said:
i can't speak for all methods, but i always use HTC's FULL QWERTY, you just need to "flick the switch" from "ABC" to "T9", this switch is somewhere to the left of the space bar. hope that helps
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks. Just tried it, but that's not what I'm talking about. If you haven't used another Windows Mobile device before (and Palms using graffitti used to have this too, I think), you might not have seen this, but when writing on the keyboard or letter recognizer (or block recognizer), WM pops up a menu of completion options after you type in one or a few letters (depending on your settings). For example, if you type "ob" you might get a list that contains "obese, obstruct, obvious"; and when you add a "v" to make it "obv", the list would refresh to show "obviate, obvious", etc.
What you've described to me is just the T9 guessing mechanism, which always suggests options with the same number of letters as the number of keys you've typed to that point. It only makes sense when there is more than one letter per key, so that, when you type, say, a sequence of three keys, there is ambiguity in which combination of the multiple letters on each of those three keys you might have meant, and the device shows you options of these combinations to pick from.
Incidentally (and this may sound pedantic, but), for that same reason, I don't see any point in using the T9 setting with the full QWERTY keyboard as you suggest, since there is no such ambiguity and the option that you'll see suggested is precisely what you've typed anyway.
If you've seen the other kind of completion options (i.e., "complete words for partial typing") let me know...

guney said:
What you've described to me is just the T9 guessing mechanism, which always suggests options with the same number of letters as the number of keys you've typed to that point.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm sorry. I noticed that what I typed above wasn't correct.
I wasn't seeing full word completion suggestions in response to partially typed in words in T9 mode because I had the "word completion in T9 mode" option under "T9 Settings" disabled. Enabling it does provide full word completion suggestions after typing only a couple of keys. I stand corrected.
On the other hand, that's still not what I'm looking for, because that only provides a couple of options displayed horizontally on one line. You can't fit many word options onto that line. (At least not the longer ones.) I'd like to see the standard Windows Mobile behavior of popping up a menu of vertically stacked completion options where you may be presented with up to four selections of any length (sometimes including even multi-word completion options). The HTC-specific input methods with their own peculiar completion behavior are fine by me, but I don't understand why I don't still have the default Windows Mobile completion behavior when I switch to one of the standard Windows Mobile input methods!
Actually, even the HTC-specific input behavior is a little screwy. There's also a "word completion in ABC mode" option under T9 Settings, but even when I enable that, I get no word completion options after switching to ABC mode in the compact QWERTY or full QWERTY input methods...
A few things definitely seem wrong with word completion behavior on the Touch HD. I just hope someone here might have enough insight into the matter to know of a fix or workaround...

guney said:
Actually, even the HTC-specific input behavior is a little screwy. There's also a "word completion in ABC mode" option under T9 Settings, but even when I enable that, I get no word completion options after switching to ABC mode in the compact QWERTY or full QWERTY input methods...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Scratch that... I've seen this work now too. I suppose it was a little stubborn, or needed a close-and-reopen of the keyboard first...
In any case, my original issue still stands: I'm looking for the "plain old" Windows Mobile word completion suggestion pop-up when using letter recognizer or the standard keyboard, with the vertical list, which fits more options of longer words.
If anyone knows of its whereabouts, please chime in!

guney said:
A few things definitely seem wrong with word completion behavior on the Touch HD. I just hope someone here might have enough insight into the matter to know of a fix or workaround...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was about to start a post just like yours..I've enabled word completion but I don't see anything. Also, when I open the tool Dictionary Editor I don't see any suggested words at all. And when I add one or two of my own, it still don't work. There must be someone who knows more about this issue ???

bump...this would be helpful
also, does anyone know how to make it so T9 starts suggesting words after typing only 1 letter?

Copied from the Diamond Forum ...
beemerTPPC said:
IMPORTANT: previously be sure that HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\XT9SupportMSSip has a value of 0.
Simply change these two registry keys under:
HKLM\system\currentcontrolset\control\layouts\e 0010409
Ime File : \windows\xt9ime.dll change to Ime File :\windows\compime.dll
and
Layout Text : XT9 IME change to Layout Text : COMP IME
And soft reset.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
... this should fix the problem. Kudos to beemerTPPC.

Gave to above a go, but found those settings were already there!
But strangely, after a couple of soft off/ons the letter recogniser, block recogniser, standard keyboard and SPB keyboard all have word completion.
The HTC offerings are weirdly different;
The full qwerty only offers word completion when you type the first three letters of a word then hit backspace to delete the last character typed. The same happens with the compact qwerty and phone keypad, but rather madly they will not let me type letters at all... only numbers... very odd!

The above solution enables me to have the Word Completion popup witth the following keyboards: 'keyboard' and 'block recognizer' and 'letter recognizer'.
It is not supported with the 'Full QWERTY' (my main keyboard).It removed the T9 completion that was there (and was not adequet). Now I cannnot use both ABC and T9 modes.
Is there a way to have both the T9 and the word complete popup, or at least the latter (the ppopup word complete) when in ABC mode on the 'Full QWERTY' keybord?
Please advice
Thanks

gadgetuk437 said:
Gave to above a go, but found those settings were already there!
But strangely, after a couple of soft off/ons the letter recogniser, block recogniser, standard keyboard and SPB keyboard all have word completion.
The HTC offerings are weirdly different;
The full qwerty only offers word completion when you type the first three letters of a word then hit backspace to delete the last character typed. The same happens with the compact qwerty and phone keypad, but rather madly they will not let me type letters at all... only numbers... very odd!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am in the same boat as you
How are you going with this Monkey of a problem?
Ive tried everything.
Please reply

Run HD Tweak
20. Keyboard (SIP)
20.2 T9 Mode
set it to Disabled
Soft reset
HTH

Who here uses the Letter Recognizer for input?

I have a question for those of you (if any) who are using the letter recognizer, the block recognizer, or the original Windows Mobile keyboard as your input method on the Touch HD: Do you get word completion pop-ups?
I'm a long-time WM user (the Touch HD is my fifth WM device) and the letter recognizer is my preferred method of input and one of the reasons I like it is the convenience of not having to type entire long words most of the time, with the ability to simply pick from the completion suggestions pop-up instead. However, I get no completion pop-up on the Touch HD when I use the letter recognizer. The same is true for the block recognizer and the WM keyboard as well. Am I alone in experiencing this? Am I alone in being annoyed by this? What gives?...

I use the Letter Recognizer and find it faster than any of the keyboard. Make sure you enable T9 in the default keyboard and word completion will be available. I thought I lost it too when I accidentally disabled T9.

Thanks for your response. This tells me that something might be wrong on my device, because I get no word completion pop-ups even when I do that.
Here are all of my current settings related to this:
On the Full QWERTY keyboard, the "ABC <-> T9" slider is set to T9.
On the Compact QWERTY keyboard, the "ABC <-> T9" slider is set to T9.
Under "Touch Input Settings", "Word Completion in T9 mode" is selected, "Word Completion in ABC mode" is selected, "Auto-Substitution" is deselected, "Spell Correction" is deselected.
Under the input "Options" (the original WM input options), on the "Word Completion" tab, "Suggest words when entering text" is selected. (The "Suggest after entering" setting is "2 letters", the "Suggest" setting is "4 words", and "Add a space after word" is deselected.) And "Enable Auto Correct" is deselected.
Still no word completion suggestion pop-ups...
I have no idea what could be wrong!
If there's anyone out there with additional insight into this, your feedback would be appreciated. You might be my only hope.

It's odd, I set mine to the "phone keypad" and now it wont go back to any of the others, I've tried them all, selected them, go back in and *poof* it's gone back to a standard phone layout. Turning it on and off failed to fix this so I'm presuming I'm going to have to reset

I have the same problem here too.
What keyboards do you have installed? I have the SPB Keyboard, reckon that might affect things??
All my settings are the same as above...and HD Tweak says T9 and word completion are on. T9 and word completion wwork fine on the keyboards but not the letter/block recogniser.

I don't have any third party keyboard installed (if I don't count the HTC stuff that came with the phone). I do have a bunch of other software installed, on the other hand. But, I don't think any of those have anything to do with input methods (although, it's hard to discount "unintended consequences"...).
I must add that suggestions don't work for me on the Windows Mobile default keyboard either. (I'm not sure if you implied that it works on yours.)
So, my exact situation is as follows:
HTC Full QWERTY keyboard:
Suggestions displayed horizontally listed (i.e., HTC-proprietary)
HTC Compact QWERTY keyboard:
Suggestions displayed horizontally listed (i.e., HTC-proprietary)
HTC Phone keypad:
Suggestions (surprisingly) displayed horizontally listed (i.e., HTC-proprietary)
Windows default keyboard:
No suggestions
Letter recognizer:
No suggestions
Block recognizer:
No suggestions
Suggestions aren't applicable to the Transcriber, naturally.

Perhaps I should have tried this much sooner, but it just occurred to me to try a wider Google search on this topic, and I came across another thread on this site that seems like it might contain the solution(s):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441656&highlight=word+completion
I'm at work right now, so I can't try it right away, but I'll surely do it as soon as I get home. If anyone else with this problem is willing to try that before me, please let us know about the result.

gadgetuk437 said:
I have the same problem here too.
What keyboards do you have installed? I have the SPB Keyboard, reckon that might affect things??
All my settings are the same as above...and HD Tweak says T9 and word completion are on. T9 and word completion wwork fine on the keyboards but not the letter/block recogniser.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I use the phone keypad on mine and it was fine up until yesterday.
The only thing it gives now is numbers! every other method of text input appears to be ok

Strange, I have had no issues with word complete as long as T9 is selected in the default HTC Full QWERTY keyboard or any of the HTC keyboard. Had this issue with my Omnia in the past where if T9 is activated, the Word Complete pop-up won't work and I had to do a registry tweak to enable word complete, after which T9 is disabled in the other keyboards.

One questoin from a newbie -
i have a problem that I can not menege to use Letter Recognizer.
In settings for inpust I select Letter Recognizer. And confirm.
But always I get keybord. If I open settings again the Full Querty is chosen.
thanx

sorry - I've read the f... manual
I was to lazy

xmaspast said:
I use the phone keypad on mine and it was fine up until yesterday.
The only thing it gives now is numbers! every other method of text input appears to be ok
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I had a similar problem on my rom (German) after setting T9 to enabled in HD Tweak. Setting T9 in the keyboard settings is fine but you might wanna try to deactivate it in HD Tweak if you enabled it there before.

should it only work when T9 is on ? Or should it also be on when you use ABC?
Cause I would like to have it on when I enabled ABC

I use the letter recogniser about 50% of the time.. I find it slightly quicker than the keyboard on WM.. However as a long time user of UIQ... SE P800/900/990/1 I wish there was something similar to the letter recogniser available on those?? Any one know? It was so logical.. Use the lower half of the screen for letters, top for numbers, and straddle the middle for capitals.. Not like WM where you are restricted to a small box at the bottom.
anyone know if you can get this for WM6.1?

Well, I'm happy to report that the solution explained in the post at the following URL has done what I was trying to achieve (post #8 on that thread):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2630663&postcount=8
This brings back the word completion pop-up lists on the standard Windows Mobile input methods. It does eliminate the HTC word completion on the HTC input methods, though (including T9, which makes the Compact QWERTY useless for typing words). But, if you're not interested in those input methods and all you want is to be able to use the Letter Recognizer, Block Recognizer, or WM keyboard with word completion, this may be your solution. (Naturally, try it at your own risk...)

memko123 said:
sorry - I've read the f... manual
I was to lazy
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
How exactly did you get the Letter Recogniser to work? I used to have it in the OEM ROM but my Enable_recognisers.cab doesn't seem to work on Dutty's 2.1 xtreme ROM.... or is it me??

phonepad texting doesn't remember words

Hi,
has anyone noticed (or maybe not having the same problem as me) that when using phonepad in T9 mode and writing messages, it doesn't remember the words that you have selected.
for example HE uses the same letters as IF, now...on my old HD, if I typed HE and then selected HE from the list, then type HE again and selected it from the list, next time I typed the keys for HE, the phone would remember that I have used HE the most and HE wold be the fist option in the list....I've done this countless time, but HE is still 5th or 6th in the list of words (ID, which isn't even a word is always first)
as a side issue, one of the first things I always do is edit the T9 dictionary to add my name and other words etc following this..the T9 doesn't remember any new words that I add (I thought it as supposed to do this automatically?)
thanks for reading

Same here
I ve turned T9 of due to this

actually it does.
I had this problem before and only a bit of playing around worked.
Basically, you need to go in to text input settings (can be done from the keyboard pop up menu) and turn ALL the XT9 settings on (i think one or two are off by default)
then, when typing something new, simply turn off the t9, write in the new word then tap on it on the suggestions bit and it will save it to your XT9 dictionary.
Bare in mind that for shorter things, it doesnt for some reason.... only really 3 letter words like uni or bro. for these you need to find the xt9 program, open it and add it.
Hope all that makes sense?
Oh and the HE/ID/if thing sorts itself out after you've selected them about a million times. annoying i know but haven't found a workaround for that.

It does it for me. I've very happy with the way T9 learns from me, even to the point where it's suggesting things like usernames and email addresses when I start typing them.

[Q] Huge step back in text prediction after 2.1 upgrade

Am I the only who took a huge step back in terms of the quality of word completion prediction when I upgraded from 1.6 to 2.1? I had used the default keyboard on 1.6 and I'm talking about the default keyboard on 2.1 now. On 1.6, text prediction was brilliant. On 2.1, it's like a joke.
Here are some of the things that used to happen on 1.6:
1) When I hit, say, the letter "T" as the beginning of a new word, the list of suggestions I got looked something like this:
to
today
tomorrow
through
time
So, with the most common words, I could simply type a single letter and pick the word from the suggestion list, in most cases.
2) Recently used words were aggresively brought to the beginning of the suggestion list. For example, if I'm entering a couple of repetitions of a phrase like "parametric equalization" into a list, after typing the first instance in its entirety, on the second instance, when I hit the "P" key, the word "parametric" would be the first item on the suggestion list. After picking that suggestion, as soon as I typed an "E" for the beginning of the second word, "equalization" would be the first item in the suggestion list.
3)There were two rows of suggested words available. (At least, it was an option I could pick.)
After upgrading to 2.1, none of that is true! Here's what now happens with the default keyboard on 2.1:
1) When I hit the letter "T", here is the entire list of suggestions I see:
t
r
f
g
y
Is this a joke? Where are my full word suggestions? Where are the suggestions of the "T-words" that I've just typed in the preceding sentence? These are not "word completion suggestions"! There's no "completion" to speak of here. These are T9 input options. Is someone asleep at the wheel?
2) I no longer see a way of enabling two rows of suggestions to be displayed. Did I do something wrong in order to cause it to be taken away? Was I bad boy?
3) When I set "Spelling correction" to "off", I lose completion suggestions altogether. What? Since when do "spelling correction" and "word completion" mean the same thing?
So, am I missing something? I didn't see many complaints voiced on this forum about these issues. Am I the only one bothered by these?
I know that a common suggestion such complaints is to switch to using another keyboard such as the HTC_IME. I've tried it. That one behaves almost identically to the default 2.1 keyboard, in terms of the issues I explained above. The sole improvement it provides is that it's slightly more inclined to include longer words in the suggestion list than the default, but only after you type the third letter or so. Not the same thing as what I had in 1.6. Not good enough.
And, by the way, in my case, there doesn't seem to be a way of eliminating spelling correction on the HTC_IME keyboard. I turned off all spelling correction options that I could find. When I type "for", I want only words that start with for- to be shown on my suggestion list. Instead, here are the suggestions that I get for "for" with all spelling correction options turned off:
for
got
god
cor
fir
foe
In what universe are those "not" spelling corrections?
Oh and, by the way, thanks for the brilliant idea of wasting the space for one suggestion (the most likely one, actually) by presenting what I have typed myself in the first place. It's not like I could have just hit Space and continued if that were in fact what I meant to type. Which Nobel laureate came up with that one?
Does anyone know of a third-party keyboard that behaves in the way I explained in the "used to" list above? I looked through a few of them, but the details of the behavior to this extent is usually something not covered in the feature lists shown for these or covered in reviews.

I use the Japanese IME for English, while not ideal, works exactly like the 1.6 English keyboard did, in terms of prediction.
Then again, sometimes I need to type in Japanese, so using the Japanese IME works for me.

You may want to try swiftkey

I'm finding exactly the same thing. Surely there must be a way of changing this?
I've tried all the options and, like you said, if you turn off spelling correction, everything turns off. Bit pants really.
Sent from my X10i using XDA App

I spent a good chunk of my weekend "upgrading" to 2.1 and found this as well. Guney, it's like you're inside my head, although far more polite than I was when I saw the new keyboard!
Will try the above suggestions and see how I go.

It's good to hear that I'm not alone with these complaints.
iead1 said:
I use the Japanese IME for English, while not ideal, works exactly like the 1.6 English keyboard did, in terms of prediction.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hmmm. If you're talking about the built-in Japanese one, I'd be willing to give that a try if it allows typing in English as well.
shooi said:
I've tried all the options and, like you said, if you turn off spelling correction, everything turns off.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm pretty sure it's a plain and simple bug. I can't understand how it slipped through. It's pretty embarrassing, really. In any case, that's not even the biggest one of my complaints. (That would be the lack of adaptive full-word suggestions.)
zephyrix said:
You may want to try swiftkey
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you're implying that Swiftkey provides most of the behavior that I've lost, then I'll try that out too. Thank you.

iead1 said:
I use the Japanese IME for English, while not ideal, works exactly like the 1.6 English keyboard did, in terms of prediction.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've just tried the built-in Japanese keyboard. I can't thank you enough for your suggestion! Like you said, its behavior is exactly the same as the 1.6 default English keyboard. It's actually an improvement over even that one, in one or two respects.
The only drawback I'll have to live with is the need to press the "Symbol" key (the keyboard mode switcher) twice to return from symbols back to alphabetical keys. (There's a third keyboard layout that I need to cycle through, which is obviously specific to Japanese text entry.) Also, the layout of the "numbers and symbols" keyboard is different, but nothing seems to be missing and it's actually arguably better than the original (the number keys are larger). I'm more than willing to live with this when all of my complaints about the 2.1 keyboard is eliminated!
And here are a few additional benefits I got from the Japanese keyboard:
The left and right arrow keys are back, for moving the cursor.
Four lines of suggestions are displayed when I hit even the first letter of a word. (Woo-hoo!) Not only that, but I can also scroll through more suggestions in that four-line space if I swipe up. (This might have been there in 1.6 but, if so, I hadn't gotten into the habit of using it.) This kind of vertical scrolling through suggestions is much more efficient than the horizontal scrolling in the new default keyboard (as well as in Swiftkey) in my opinion. Instead swiping an entire screen width's worth to see only three more words or so, you can swipe up only two line heights' worth and see two new lines of suggestions (about six to eight words, usually).
There's even a key with a smiley as its label which brings up a list of most frequenly used symbol characters in the same form as the suggested word list, saving me two taps when I need to type only a single symbol. Sweet!
I can comfortably recommend this to anyone else who has the same complaints as me about the default 2.1 English keyboard. I consider my problem solved.

I'm all for Swype. I've used it and never wanted to switch back.

guney said:
I've just tried the built-in Japanese keyboard. I can't thank you enough for your suggestion!
I can comfortably recommend this to anyone else who has the same complaints as me about the default 2.1 English keyboard. I consider my problem solved.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Awesome! Glad to have helped! The only complaint I have about the Japanese keyboard is that four lines of suggestions means it gets in the way of seeing the text box I'm typing in occasionally. It's a good keyboard, I've always found it more accurate than the standard English keyboard as well.

Anyone managed to track down the 1.6 apk of the original keyboard and tried installing that!?

I can't stand the 2.1 keyboard. I've tried loading the Japanese keyboard but I can't find it. How do you get it to load instead of the English keyboard?

gump1376 said:
I can't stand the 2.1 keyboard. I've tried loading the Japanese keyboard but I can't find it. How do you get it to load instead of the English keyboard?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Go to any text field that you can edit, tap and hold, pick "Japanese keyboard" from the pop-up list. (This doesn't work in some specialized fields like the browser's address field, but the search field of the Market app is one place where it does work.)

iead1 said:
I use the Japanese IME for English, while not ideal, works exactly like the 1.6 English keyboard did, in terms of prediction.
Then again, sometimes I need to type in Japanese, so using the Japanese IME works for me.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thanks for the tip iead1

if you havent tried the HTC_ime mod i suggest you give it a chance. i have been using that since before my X10 and i love it. i have far less prediction problems. also if its any advantage: i find it way faster to type with the compact qwerty keyboard when i type in portrait.

jerkysans said:
I'm all for Swype. I've used it and never wanted to switch back.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Me too. Toggle between HTC keyboard & Swype.

[Q] Adding words to the dictionary

I'm really enjoying the updated android keyboard and don't think I'm going to install swype on this phone.
What I do not understand is how I can quickly add new words to the dictionary.
I know I can go into the "language and input" settings to add words, but yesterday I manually typed a word that was not in the dictionary and it asked me if I wanted to add it. What did I do different to get it to ask me to add a word to the dictionary? This will be a real time saver in the first weeks of using this device.

rumpleforeskin said:
I'm really enjoying the updated android keyboard and don't think I'm going to install swype on this phone.
What I do not understand is how I can quickly add new words to the dictionary.
I know I can go into the "language and input" settings to add words, but yesterday I manually typed a word that was not in the dictionary and it asked me if I wanted to add it. What did I do different to get it to ask me to add a word to the dictionary? This will be a real time saver in the first weeks of using this device.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Type the word, it will appear in the middle of the suggestion bar (correctly recognized words will appear either side), tap on the word in the suggestion bar.

jakejm79 said:
Type the word, it will appear in the middle of the suggestion bar (correctly recognized words will appear either side), tap on the word in the suggestion bar.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's how I suspect it should work, though it only occasionally gives me the "tap word again to add to dictionary" option.
Though I'm noticing a pattern to words it will not add, such as expletives or words with less than 4 letters