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Answering machine

HI
is there a prog that acts as answering machine on your imate jam and records messages on the sd card? something like Smart Answer for symbian OS (it work well with my nokia 6600).

nm8 said:
HI
is there a prog that acts as answering machine on your imate jam and records messages on the sd card? something like Smart Answer for symbian OS (it work well with my nokia 6600).
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no,there isnt any,MS doesn't offer any class on accessing voice stream in its SDKs.But as far as i know,some models have there own way to access the voice--maybe by using new classes maybe by hardware supporting.

am talking about an application that when u reciv a call and u dont answer it, then it will kick in and say that ur not available to answer call then it can record callers msg.
mjnd u im posting using my jam.... kewl

...yeah,I'm also using Nokia6680.
I just answered your question in an angle of a programmer.If you can't get your program access the voice,you cannot expect it to record the voice.
The final answer is "No there isnt" unless someone pops up and write an interface to enable the programmer to access the voice or the hardware allows.

GIGABYTE G-Smart PPCPhone have a Answering machine Software
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jojo0821 said:
GIGABYTE G-Smart PPCPhone have a Answering machine Software
Can someone tell me whats written there ??
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The tick means "enable answer machine",and the blow function allows user to choose where to store the voice records.
---this is the case i meant "hardware support",it's not a common function.As far as I know,another PC manufacturer in China "Lenovo联想" also got a model named ET960 with the answer machine and calling recording function.

the answering machine feature, sometimes called voice box is usually a feature provided by the service provider. so what for you need a software?

voice mail and answer machine are quite different concepts.there is answer machine software on some models which enable user to record calls to local memory card.but as i specified that these functions need the hardware supportind.

i have to disagree with kuangtian. voice mail was developed as a replacement for answering machines. voice mail does exactly the same job as the answering machine, the only difference is that voice mail is "transparent" whereas an answering machine is a physical piece of hardware. in fact almost everyone around the globe have discarded their answering machines because service providers for both land lines and cell phones have included this feature in their services.
my point is why decrease your valuable memory for a piece of software that basically would be redundant?, but that's my personal opinion.

zerimar said:
my point is why decrease your valuable memory for a piece of software that basically would be redundant?, but that's my personal opinion.
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To save money.
Each time a call is diverted to my voicemail it costs me money. Each time I call to listen to my voicemail it costs me money.
Granted it's not a LOT of money each time. But the charges can (and do) add up pretty quickly.

zerimar said:
the answering machine feature, sometimes called voice box is usually a feature provided by the service provider. so what for you need a software?
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yes almost all service providers have voicemail service. but each time someone leaves you a message, u get charged, when u access it, u get charged. some providers only charge u when u access the message. with inbuilt answering machine on your jam, or any other ppc or mobile phone, u dont get charged, plus the file is for you to keep forever (eg. ur girfriend's I Love You's )

not in my case directly. i just checked my bills and 99% is included in my monthly subscribtion, and i do get quite a lot of voice mails because i'm most of the time on the phone.

zerimar said:
the answering machine feature, sometimes called voice box is usually a feature provided by the service provider. so what for you need a software?
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yes almost all service providers have voicemail service. but each time someone leaves you a message, u get charged, when u access it, u get charged. some providers only charge u when u access the message. with inbuilt answering machine on your jam, or any other ppc or mobile phone, u dont get charged, plus the file is for you to keep forever (eg. ur girfriend's I Love You's )

not in my case directly. i just checked my bills and 99% is included in my monthly subscribtion, and i do get quite a lot of voice mails because i'm most of the time on the phone.

agree with Doormat.Voice mail is not alway free!And sometimes the operator charge you both storing and call voice mail number!but receive fone is commonly free.
besides this,a 512SD card is able to store more than one hour voice recording(on Smart Answer on Nokia S60).also,you can also customize your own warm(i wish...) voice for prompt instead of the cold computer sound...
Actually what i mean different concept is that from the view of programmer,it's not a bit same to use a operator voice mail and a software answer machine.Voice mail equals to make a call while answer machine means the software(maybe need hardware assistance) accesses the voice stream.
wow...really a challenge to my poor english...

nm8,received PM from me?

i'm very happy with my s100 but i still wished that htc should have strived harder and added a lot more features wether the end user will use it or not.
sorry for you guys, but as i've said the voice mail feature of either sunrise or swisscom works exactly like a regular answering machine. we can activate the standard computer generated greeting or record our own. what's best that it's practically free.
in my case i only save messages that contain important information, the rest i automatically delete it.

hey man,nothing to be sorry about.
In fact,my o2 charges nothing on the voice-mail too...they even give me free GPRS.....
I really really wish Microsoft could release a class to access the voice-stream........so i can write a program to record the calling and as an answer machine...

[/quote]GIGABYTE G-Smart PPCPhone have a Answering machine Software
Can you extract it and post it here? I can assure you people will worship you

When a Geek cries.. My depression with my new Cigular 8125

Perhaps one of you can help guide me before I give up on what I thought would be the great love of my life, the Cingular 8125.I knew it might be underpowered, I new Cingular would screw with the OS a bit. But as a person addicted to the Audiovox 5600 I thought.
"Hey this will be great I will be upgrading from 2003 to mobile 5 plus getting a bigger screen QWERTY and WI-FI"
How foolish I feel right now. This thing is SO MUCH less of a phone than my 5600, although the call clarity seems even better and has better reception.
- It does not have the ability to easily check calendars and reference the contact while in a call nor is it easy to jump around during a call at all.
- I CAN NOT BELIVE they stopped supporting settings on contacts who's bright idea was that?
- All the conference call numbers that I have stored in my appointments do not have that fantastic autodial feature that my 5600 had
- Don't even get me started on the abomination that is ActiveSync 4.1 I could write down my new email faster than I can sync it
- The today screen is so much less configurable than home screens, my home screen was perfect but I can not use it.
Is all of this just an enormous oversight by MS with Mobile 5 or is this the Wizard? or for that matter is it Cingular? If so can I get this potentially perfect peice of hardware to run a more phone friendly ROM?
Thanks

Re: When a Geek cries.. My depression with my new Cigular 8
sharrisct25 said:
"Hey this will be great I will be upgrading from 2003 to mobile 5 plus getting a bigger screen QWERTY and WI-FI"
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Dude, you know it had a smaller screen, it's also a smaller device with a full keyboard. What do you expect? At least it's not a sqare 240 x 240 screen.
How foolish I feel right now. This thing is SO MUCH less of a phone than my 5600, although the call clarity seems even better and has better reception.
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Can't speak for the 5600, but my K-JAM is a great phone and gets great reception.
- It does not have the ability to easily check calendars and reference the contact while in a call nor is it easy to jump around during a call at all.
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As with all versions of the WM OS going back to the original PPC OS, you can add any functionality thru 3rd party PIMs, today screens, freeware, etc. Get yourself a good task manager or a Menu application. Navigation on my K-JAM with smartskey, gsPocketMagic, alt-tab, couldn't be easier.
- I CAN NOT BELIVE they stopped supporting settings on contacts who's bright idea was that?
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?????
- All the conference call numbers that I have stored in my appointments do not have that fantastic autodial feature that my 5600 had
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There is speed dial on the phone pad. Heck you can even use the OEM voice dial. MS Voice command even better.
- Don't even get me started on the abomination that is ActiveSync 4.1 I could write down my new email faster than I can sync it
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The first ever sync with the device is bad, subsequent syncs are nowhere near as slow. If you're syncing 100's of emails to the device, what do you expect?
- The today screen is so much less configurable than home screens, my home screen was perfect but I can not use it.
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Huh? My Today screen has Pocket Plus, Pocket Breeze, Contact Breeze and Pocket Weather. I also have the lock button. I could also put on a control for Pocket Music and others. Your statement doesn't make sense.
Is all of this just an enormous oversight by MS with Mobile 5 or is this the Wizard? or for that matter is it Cingular? If so can I get this potentially perfect peice of hardware to run a more phone friendly ROM?
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Are you referring to the AKU2 update? Once again, please be more specific.

I've got an 8125 and my wife has a 5600. I tried setting up her home page for easy access to the most used programs and files like i have on my 8125 but it is such a pain and nowhere near as functional as mine.. I guess it's what you're used to.

I have an MPx220 and the K-Jam. They both have their place.
The MPx220 is a great phone when you want a small phone that has actual phone buttons and a powerful contacts/calendar plus some additional stuff.
The K-Jam on the other hand is a complete PPC which isn't much larger than the MPx220 with WiFi. It doesn't use XML like the Smartphones, but is still configurable. They are different animals.
Personally, if something happened to my K-Jam, I'd pick up an 8125 in a second. Push email, real apps, full qwerty, etc. I'll always have a typical phone as a backup in instances where I don't want to risk damage to the PPC phone, but the K-Jam (Wizard variant) is my main device (and has been for almost 5 months) until something better comes along.
Give it some time. If you compare a BMW to a Mercedes, you will find they are both quality automobiles, but if you look for specifics, you'll find each has things the others don't.
-Mc

Ok I have calmed down a bit, still anoyed however
You were correct that alot of it took getting used to, after some playing I get ActiveSync to work reliably (although was more trouble than it should have been). I also added pocket breeze and that helped. I am still really troubled by a couple of items
I do not like having all my contacts on my phone, I have always maintained a subset of my 2000 plus contacts specifically for sync to my phone via categories. With my 5600 I could simply specifiy the categories I wanted on my phone and get that subset. this was a great feature and I am lost as to why they took it out of Mobile 2005.
I liked being able to layout my homesceen with real percision using the xml schema, can I do that with the Today screen?
I am very upset that I have lost the link to autodial phone numbers from appointments. I have like 10 conference calls a day and I am often mobile. All of the appointments have the conference call numbers in them and I used to be able to click them to dial the number. On my 8125 they are not linked, is there some tool or fix to make them linked having to swap back and forth to dial the numbers and codes is a real pain in the neck.
When you dial a contact is there a easy way to go "back" to the contact and dial another number? My 5600 did this great caus the call progress screen had a link to the persons contact and the calendar. A very good interface.
Overall I agree this device has the potential to be much better than my 5600, the problem seems to be that the OS has forgoten what I consider to be some key usuability features around the phone part of this device.
Any hints would be appreciated.

There is a good reason why there is still two devices using the WM software.
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Smartphones are first and foremost a phone with some limited PDA capabilities that go along with it
PPC Phones are first and foremost a PPC with some phone capabilities that go along with it.
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I like you transfered from the smartphone platform to the PPC platform when the 8125 became available but I knew that by taking this step the phone side was not going to be as functional as my old trusty SMT5600.
There are a lot of PPC utilities that make this transition easier. I would say the #1 add in you want to play with would be the Smarts Key add in that was developed by one of the members in this forum. It makes it much easier for one handed navigation especially when your on the phone.
I would also recommend installing the new ROM. If you look in my sig there is a link to a ROM package someone has modified and took out a lot of the extra crap that Cingular did to the ROM and also includes an updated Radio/Data Stack. After I did this upgrade and installed Smartskey and Microsoft Voice Commander I found the 8125 to be a much better tool.
If you need a phone first and foremost I would go with the 2125. It is a great device with a nicer screen (smaller still, but nicer) then the 8125. I got one for the owner to replace his SMT5600 and he says the reception and stability is like night and day.

i too, have yet to find the joy in owning/using my wizard (8125) as i had with my typhoon (smt5600). however, i do have a faraday (2125) too and am glad i do because i use it on weekends. the 8125 is not a great phone and the 2125 is a poor pda.
maybe they will have offspring
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PocketPC MPD Client -- Control your music server (Updated July 23)

Here's my first attempt at pocketpc development -- an MPD client. It's a fairly niche application, but maybe someone else out there will enjoy it.
First off, you'll need an MPD server. MPD is a small simple daemon that plays music. It has no UI of its own-- it relies on various clients to connect to it for control.
My application does not actually play music. It's more like a remote control. It connects to your MPD server and tells it what to play. But if you combine this with icecast on the server and TCPMP on your phone, you CAN actually stream the music to your phone. The effect for me is having my entire 80G+ music collection available to my phone anywhere I have EVDO access.
If you've made it that far, here's a few features my client offers:
Automatic album art from Amazon
A today screen plugin showing the current song
Gestures for easy control
Kinetic scrolling lists
Here's a short youtube demonstration of some of the UI elements.
The application requires Windows Mobile Professional with the .NET 2.0 framework. It's available from http://code.google.com/p/pocketpcmpdclient/.
Special thanks to dosfan and gingercat from this thread. I used a lot of their code for kinetic scrolling in my lists.
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THis looks incredibly intruiging...of course now I have to go fiddle with my server and set up the MPD/Icecast bit, but it seems worth it to have something like this working...I will get back to you this weekend after i figure all this stuff out. Also this is quite cool for a first program!

That looks great! I particularly love the gestures! Any chance of implementing them in a non MPD dependant music player?

Thanks for the encouragement. This has just been a "hobby" project for me to work on over the weekends for a while now. I usually write boring framework code without any GUI for my day job, so this has been a lot of fun.
As for the gestures, it's written in c# and I wrote it to be easy to add to other projects. Just declare an instance of the class within your form (or usercontrol) and tell the class what it's parent is. Then the class will raise events whenever a gesture is recognized.
So if someone wants to steal my code like I stole dosfan and gingercat's, help themselves! And if they have any improvements, let me know

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Thanks for the encouragement. This has just been a "hobby" project for me to work on over the weekends for a while now.
As for the gestures, it's written in c# and I wrote it to be easy to add to other projects. Just declare an instance of the class within your form (or usercontrol) and tell the class what it's parent is. Then the class will raise events whenever a gesture is recognized.
So if someone wants to steal my code like I stole dosfan and gingercat's, help themselves! And if they have any improvements, let me know
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Hobby projects are fun!
Not sure if you've implemented something like this, but in dosfan and gingercat's dll, there was no support for hardware buttons. I've added that today, and can give you the code if you want.
Being able to capture gestures would be awesome!
Keep up this project! And lemme set up an MPD!

Oh yeah, using hardware buttons on the lists was on my "To-Do" list. I'd be interested in seeing what you did.

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Oh yeah, using hardware buttons on the lists was on my "To-Do" list. I'd be interested in seeing what you did.
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Basically, I added some keypress even handlers, and then made those do the same as moving the mouse. I also had to edit the MaxXOffset and MaxYOffset to allow the list items to get to the top of the page...
Attached is the code for the KListControl dll.
If my lack of comments needs some explaining, do ask!

It seems pretty straightforward. Thanks.

any mpd for windows? *hoping*

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any mpd for windows? *hoping*
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Sorry, I don't think there's a good, simple way to run MPD on a windows server. From the MPD wiki, it looks like the only real working option is to run it under coLinux or andLinux.
It's another reason I said it's a bit of a "niche" application

don't know if this is related but, how about a remote control for UPnP clients, like roku, etc.
on Nokian770 and n800, there is a program called media streamer that does just that. wondering if there is the same for ppc.

I've thought a bit about abstracting away the music "engine" and using plugins to allow the UI to interact with different backends like MPD, windows media, or others. But for a guy who's working on this an hour a night after putting the kids to bed, that seems pretty ambitious

Awesome project. I have MPD setup on my desktop, and usually I'd just carry around my IR remote and control it via that, but controlling it with my phone over wifi is so much better!
Just installed it and I must say for a hobby project it's pretty nice! It just crashed on me, but I think that might be due to me not being able to scroll correctly

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It just crashed on me, but I think that might be due to me not being able to scroll correctly
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I'm sorry about the crash . If it happens again, could you open an issue containing the detailed text from the crash? It would help me to hunt down the issues.
Lately the only crashes I've had is when my data connection cuts out. The MPD library I used doesn't handle that very well. I really need to find an elegant way to tell the user the connection was lost.

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I'm sorry about the crash . If it happens again, could you open an issue containing the detailed text from the crash? It would help me to hunt down the issues.
Lately the only crashes I've had is when my data connection cuts out. The MPD library I used doesn't handle that very well. I really need to find an elegant way to tell the user the connection was lost.
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Crude but functional!

I used to do the same using Shoutcast in combination with Jetcast to stream WMA. Then control the server using Cygnus.
also very niche, but it proves there's people that might like this.

Your program has inspired me to take an old computer outta the closet, put ubuntu on it, mirror my music collection, and install the icecast, mpd, and gimmix packages. I'm pretty new at this, so I was wondering... if you have the time, do you think you could write up a quick guide where to go next? I'm kind of at a loss...

I'd start just getting mpd to recognize your music and output to the soundcard or something. Setting up icecast is another layer of complexity to tackle next.
The best resource seems to be the wiki . If you have any specific problems I'll try to help.

Great project...
I submitted it to Digg, maybe it will get some love. It's time to rectify the overblown iPhone hype machine and show people what WinMo can do.

Very nice work!
I was thinking, why not doing it compatible also with uPnP (very similar to bonjour protocol), which is compatible with Windows (see www.tversity.com).
Thanks and keep up the good work

DIY mapping - perfect for X1

Useful set of freeware software from a Dutch company specialising in navigation software. Primarily used for marine mapping but can easily be used onland as well.
Basic concept is that you scan in your map to a picture file on your PC, then using the calibration app you triangulate three known GPS coords, and then you have a usable map to download to the mobile app running on the X1.
http://www.stentec.com/en/support/downloads
DKW Builder 1.2.4.1 Lite - calibrates the scanned map
DKW Manager 1.3.11.0 - manages map sets, and the loading to the phone
WinGPS 4.0.7.0 Mobile Lite - the app to be loaded on the phone
I have used these for some time, originally with XDA and bluetooth GPS.
Copy satellite images, stitch these in with road maps etc.
Enjoy.
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Efficasoft GPS Utilities is way better for this, since you don't need a PC app to load the map. You can directly load any picture file and it only takes 2 points to calibrate (Which makes sense to me), so you also have the possibility to actually walk to a point you know on the map and use your GPS reading directly. It also comes with compass and stuff - the only disadvantage is that you have to pay for it and there is no keygen (so far - I hope there will be one soon).

Tks Firewall for this pointer to Efficasoft GPS, it looks like a neat tool, with tons of features. As with both apps, I much prefer maps loaded on the phone rather than the continuous online loading from Google or Multimap.
The Stentec set of apps are more elaborate as they are targetted for sailors who need greater level of detail, and are dealing with multiple sets. As freeware I think Stentec give a great level of functionality. Their pro versions are in the 100's of euro.
Whether you walk to a point to get the GPS reading or copy a known ref point from Google Earth it doesnt really matter. Google will allow you to quickly pick distant points on the map which ultimately give you better accuracy. It will also allow you to prepare you map in advance, you dont want to spend time when you hit the ground driving/walking just to calibrate a map, me thinks.
For calibration it is much better to have three ref points, and the further apart the better. A triangle will provide a more accurate dimensioning than a straight line. Any minor error close in, is exploded further out.

There's also GPSvp which is opensource and available via google code..
It does use google or live maps, and openstreetmap, but it caches them so you don't always need a net connection when you're out and about.
It also can use garmin maps, which is good as there are some free ones around in that format.
It also has a desktop version, which means you can download all the "tiles" you need on the pc then transfer them across to the x1 for field use..
It's now being updated pretty regularily as well which is great .
http://code.google.com/p/gpsvp/

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For calibration it is much better to have three ref points, and the further apart the better. A triangle will provide a more accurate dimensioning than a straight line. Any minor error close in, is exploded further out.
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I agree. I use geological/survey mapping for a living. There are a number of specialised, proprietary programs on my device, but a generally available one is PathAway (now version 5). You need a 3-point calibration from Google or more accurately digital topography maps as sold by Govt Departments, but you can then use JPG's or ECW's as a base map to keep the size manageable.
But the z-value (altitude) from PDA's is not really accurate at all. x,y-values are good to about 2m generally.

Of course it depends on you whether it's better to load maps from your PC or from your PDA. If you really are a sailor and you have to set up a big region, the PC is your friend - my reason for using such an application however is different. I don't have a boat, so for street navigation I rely on Garmin XT Mobile. I would use tools like Efficasoft GPS Utilities for example if someone gives me a map of a specific region - offroad. Say for a treasure hunt or something like this. You can take a Snapshot of the map with your camera, then load the picture, walk a few meters to determine two well-known points and you're ready to go.

gpsVP looks to be a fantastic project. I have installed it onto the X1 and will try to get to grips with it over the following days.
First thing is to read a dummy-guide.

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gpsVP looks to be a fantastic project. I have installed it onto the X1 and will try to get to grips with it over the following days.
First thing is to read a dummy-guide.
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lol yeah, but it's pretty logical to play with.

First issue with gpsVP is similar to the one I had with the Wayfinder app.
If the app is active when the phone is turned off, the GPS keeps active and drains the phone battery overnight. And it is not a graceful discharge, it takes every ounce of power and requires some recharging before I can even power up the phone again.
Lesson: dont leave a GPS app active when you turn off.

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First issue with gpsVP is similar to the one I had with the Wayfinder app.
If the app is active when the phone is turned off, the GPS keeps active and drains the phone battery overnight. And it is not a graceful discharge, it takes every ounce of power and requires some recharging before I can even power up the phone again.
Lesson: dont leave a GPS app active when you turn off.
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LOL yep, phone is separate to the functions of the PDA..

best navigation

whats the best navigation out there cause i flashed my rom to a new one and it doesnt cantain the stock sprint navigation /(

Hi there
Just browse the forum. The factory cab is listed in a couple places. Im on my phone posting this otherwise I would help find a link for you. I know I have seen it on here so its just a matter of looking. Little hint: click the little paperclip icons to see attached files......probably in one of those somewhere.
Hope this helps some. Ill look later for you if you cant find it (when i can get to a computer)

Bing, TeleNav, and Google Maps are my top 3 favs in order...

I also use Bing and Google Maps.
Google has better search functionality (heck, it is Google!), while Bing now has audio turn by turn directions. Both are free (but require a data connection to stream the maps).

TYhere are thrd party navigations that need no internet connection, but thay are smomewhat costly - TomTom, NavIgo My way (i use it), Garmin...
it depends what are your needs...

I'm still confused about whether SprintNav cost money to use or not. Anyone know?

If it ustes internet then it does, if you can bye it in the store then it does, if you got it with the pheone, allong with the maps then it is free...
Hope you understand the logic...

Bing
I love the new Bing with Free navigation. Speaks the street names too.

ive tried them all
but garmin is the most precise to the T
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bing is my new fav since it has voice navigation and is free.

I am still sticking with TomTom.. While the maps are not free with TomTom... I find that it by far is most user friendly... the driving isntructions are easy to understand... I love the custom voices and icons you can use... it is free to use after you pay for your map (no monthly fees unless you get premium internet services from them)... It works when you are far from home and have no signal on your phone (you know, when you would need a GPS the most)... The maps are stored directly on your microSD card.. and a map of the entire north America runs 1.5-2gb..... TomTom "just works"... No data used when you drive around... it is great & i HIGHLY reccomend it!

iGuidance
I use iGuidance it does the job for me it has many POI for a "no-name" application all the GPS maps are saved on my SD card. It has voice-guided directions and also has safety features like "slow down ur in a school zone" and when you get on the highway it shows u which ramp to merge onto which is great. I think that iNAV iGuidance is pretty simple which i like however others want more complex features. I used to have Garmin XT it was good but i think iNAV iGuidance is faster, but it isnt the most finger friendly and u might need to get a little used to it. Here are some screenshots:
I am considering getting iGO however i cannot comment on its effectiveness as a Navigation Program because i havent used it yet but it seems very good

bing with voice
my fav is the new bing with voice it works very well on the tmo rhodium

only with iGo Primo I´m happy (and long time before it was NDrive)

Garmin!! But if you dont wanna pay go with Bing.

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only with iGo Primo I´m happy (and long time before it was NDrive)
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Hello how is the performance on the Tp2. I ask because primo had a lag from about 5 Second till the voice indicate the next turn.
With my IGo8 all its ok.

If you have an unlimited data plan go with BING.
Not only does it have voice requests and audio navigation, but without a doubt I find the directions are the clearest. for example, it actually says all the information on the next exit sign, not just the exit number. very very thorough.
google maps with voice requests is fine too, but no turn by turn audio
on my tilt2 I have garmin xt and it works great also and also provides free traffic, but it is a bit dated vis a vis the maps.
tom tom was great but unless you are on an iphone there are no north america maps that I have been able to find for purchase or otherwise... so tom tom is a no go unless you can score maps (at least in my region). if you live somewhere that tom tom still supports, i think it is as a program superior to garmin, both in lead time for turns, quickness of load and clarity of 3d mapping. however north america is just SOL.

second vote for bing with its cool voice activated guide system
Bing rocks and it's free

I use iGO8, its by far the best, although it is slightly more complicated to use, once you get hang of it its great. I plan all my motorcycle routes on it, plug my TP2 into the Bike, and off I go ! also iGO8 has a track recorder so you can record you route, export to GPX, overall has many more features than TomTom, although Tom Tom is very easy to use.

I've only used Bing so far, it's kinda worthless. It always tells me to turn RIGHT when I need to turn. Kinda wish it'd tell me ahead of time.