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Make your XDA I/II turn itself off after new SMS faster,etc.

So, after diggin' for long time in registry on Pocket PC 2002 ROMs I've found nice feature - HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\
(may vary cause this is from 2003 ROM, for now I have but was like this and works on 2002), has value WakeUpPowerOff = 180 (by default).
This value (in seconds) determines, how long device will be on after:
1. power on by "power" button (and no other activity - no taps, no any hardware buttons pressing) - it userful for example to see "what's on
today", time, etc...
2. power on by incoming event like SMS or calendar one.
And after you touch screen\ other button - then as I found starts another, "original" timer, defined in Start->Settings->System->Power.
I've set above WakeUp parameter to WakeUpPowerOff = 12 (smallest that works really at mine device) and what I got? This:
When I need to look into today's or time or missed calls etc - I just press power look at screen and devices turns iself off byself. Not great effort but - heh - longer live for power button
But this is more important: When incomes SMS (I have gate from internet inbox to sms so have a lot of smses) - devices comes on only for 12 secs - for day it increases significantly battery life. (aha - 180sec and 12sec - differs!) (etc...). So we can set auto Off timer for 1 minute and work in normal mode (when we tap or read something, smaller is not so much siutable), but with this WakeUp timer also when we don't use device we get very small time to byself on\off-ing and longer battery life.
But after appearing 2003 in my wallaby and then after bying himalaya I have changed this parameter with no effect.
Now I find solution!
We need to change one more parameter in that registry subdirectory named:
DisableGwesPowerOff=1 by defalut. Simpy set it to 0.
And now on my XDA II (and on XDA I with 2003) this hacks works.
I think this will be userful for our XDA community. Thanks for paying attention for this text.

Hey, that is a very, very cool hack! I have always been annoyed when my XDA2 is in my pocket and I receive an SMS when I can't reply. During the 2 minutes before it switches itself off I find that the screen gets pressed a lot in my pocket with sometimes disastrous results.
This hack seems to have no side-effects at all. The XDA2 stays switched on in the cradle and changing the Power-off-on-battery setting doesn't reset this auto-off timer.
I dare to suggest even that it is perfect! Thank you very much nugged.

Thank you realy love this one :idea:
Works fine with 5sec off on XDAII.
goodluck

2 SiliconS: That's some kind of pleasure to share with info and to help.
2 eme: 5 sec? hmm... Ah! I think I have bigger lag cause I have setted up password protection and maybe it needs some time to initialize after on/before off... You haven't password protection on?
Anyway - it's works.

I've just had a thought: does this hack affect the alarms and appointment notifications? Does the machine turn itself off after 12 seconds and stop the alarm working? That might be a problem for some people if so. I can't test at the moment - my wife is asleep
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Just tested, quietly . It does affect the alarm. I set a repeating alarm. The machine turned on, sounded the alarm once and then switched off. When I turned it on again a few seconds later it sounded a repeat.
I think this hack is excellent if you don't use your XDA2 for alarms or notifications. Otherwise it might cause problems. :?

@nugged:
every PocketPC turns itself automatically on at midnight, to perform some magic regarding alarms etc. It is a known problem that sometimes it turns off too soon again, before having finished its work. There are even programs to make this time-out longer. Question: does you hack also affect this time-out, or is it something completely unrelated?
Cheers
Daniel

2 tadzio: Mine never do this. What "reorganization"? Mine works fine, don't miss any appointments and haven't midnight magic power-ons ...
2 SiliconS: Yes, so that's maybe who need to have long alarms install additional soft and\or set up time longer, smth like 15 seconds.
As for me - yes, I use mine device lot of time so it often in mine hands and at my eyes so I don't need long alarms.
Lets explore info above (at 1st post) here more deeply maybe someone find solution for short WakeUpPowerOff time and working long alarms if needed.

Put down the pipe!!
What are you guys on, hacking the on time? I must be really confused... what about just using the power settings to turn of backlight after 10 seconds and power off if not used for 1 minute?
That's all I ever do and mine lasts easily through a weekend with a few hours of talk time and checking my e-mail at least 20 times.

2 wayandrs: That's your decision If you satisfied with that standard system - good . Anyway - it's not an order - it's just advice
Look - when you setup to run your backlight off after 10 seconds - try to work normally then .

nugged said:
2 tadzio: Mine never do this.
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Yes, it does. You just don't see it because it's only a partial power-up: the display does not get switched on.
The OS needs to clean up appointments, and set alarms for the new day. Most of the time it succeeds, but sometimes the device powers off automatically before the OS could finish, resulting in alarms not going off. This is what tools like "Wakeup Tweak" are for - they just extend the time-out until the device powers down again.
Also, zendrui (the PocketZenPhone author) had a lot of... umm... fun with this feature when users configured PocketZenPhone to automatically switch modes at midnight. Ask him, I think he knows a lot more about this than he ever wanted to know.
Cheers
Daniel

I miss the old 2003 future and wish SMS dose not turn IMATE-II on..
hope some body listen there and give a soltion. it was built in before some bodies complain about it.

2 eme: 5 sec? hmm... Ah! I think I have bigger lag cause I have setted up password protection and maybe it needs some time to initialize after on/before off... You haven't password protection on?
Yes, no password protection.
Btw I managed to connect over BT to Linux machine and have acces to local net and web. That 's nothing ok. But managed also to use device cca
100m+ away form my BT acces point. Just put USB dongle on extended
cable and if possible outside of your room. My is on the attic.
Think, PC makes som interference to BT rx for sure. If anybody interesting
on this can write som more..
goodluck

2 eme: after setting this hack do you have some troubles with 'midnight self turning-ONs of device with turned off display and some reogranization' as tadzio has?
2 tadzio: so, device turning itself on withot turning on display? Sounds very interesting. Anyway - we can say so our devices stays on every time even turned off by the key, they only slowing down processor and turning off display and some hardware, cause they need to refresh SDRAM memory, to track and remember appointments to wake up at needed time, etc.
And, anyway, if this 'midnight ONs' are have place, if they are not turning on display - ppc works in another mode and I think this registry value is not related to them. But this - for me - is very strange information.
Please, Daniel, give detailed info/links, if you know this question good or don't bewilder other peoples, who read this topic.

nugged said:
2 eme: after setting this hack do you have some troubles with 'midnight self turning-ONs of device with turned off display and some reogranization' as tadzio has?
I do not have any appointments stored in my device.
Cant wait for Linux to run on it with graphical enviromet.
Than we can all forget this misterious M$ hacks.
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eme said:
nugged said:
2 eme: after setting this hack do you have some troubles with 'midnight self turning-ONs of device with turned off display and some reogranization' as tadzio has?
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Oh, I didn't mean to say that I have any problems. In fact, before I apply this hack I wanted to make sure that it will likely not cause any problems, that's why I asked if the author knows about any possible interaction between the midnight wakeup and his hack. I would suspect there is none, but I am not sure.
Cheers
Daniel
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nugged said:
Please, Daniel, give detailed info/links, if you know this question good or don't bewilder other peoples, who read this topic.
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Here is more information about this: http://www.mtekk.com.au/browse/page826.html
Cheers
Daniel

problem need help
Alrite i tried with a 12. It works well. As expected, but things happen when my phone rings, with a long rintone i have, it got cut off and then it went back to standby mode, making the call still ringing behind the background, after a while it was turn on again. It annoying when i cannot hear the first part of the ring. I end up not picking up importants calls... Anyway to help this desperado? ow i want to change back but its like the same...

Please Turn Off Flight Mode First

This very annoying appears every time I switch to a bt-enabled profile to another profile... And when I am not on Flight mode!
I'm seriously getting to hate this phone..

Tinny77 said:
This very annoying appears every time I switch to a bt-enabled profile to another profile... And when I am not on Flight mode!
I'm seriously getting to hate this phone..
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ah ah ah Tinny don't say that or it wont work anymore! :lol: :lol: :lol:
However it happened to me too...but very rarely. I often have the HardWare message problem.
:wink:

I solved the problem installing the new version of PhoneAlarm over the previous (that surely caused the problem).
The strange thing is that after the new install (1.06 to 1.07) the radio option on all profiles was setted to OFF. I turned them all to ON and now everything goes, with no more error, neither switching between different bluetooth profiles.

Phone blocked until battery removed.

Hello, today i wake up with G-Alarm akarm, clicked on snooze, and after that i usually click on close button to exit alarm, the problem is that after i hit snooze, the phone was blocked and nothing was working (neither the power button). I had to remove the battery to reboot the phone. Is that a phone problem or g-alarm bug? I hope it won't happen again.

anyone? thanks

I had the exact problem this morning. I think G-Alarm was written specifically for WM5 so we may be asking a lot of it to run on WM6.1. Still its another in a long list of dissapointing experiences with this phone and os.

....among a long, long list of stuff that actually works really well....

Try Klaxon alarm, seems decent and stable

nin2thevoid said:
....among a long, long list of stuff that actually works really well....
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are u speaking on my behalf?

Alarm when turned off???

Hello all!
I wonder if its possible to have an alarm on the phone when turned of. Ive searched everywhere for some answers.
I want to shut down the phone at nights and I want the phone to start up and wake me up hehe

I just tried it 2 times , and it doesn't seem to work with klaxon.
Sorry mate i think you should keep it on if you don't want to be late tomorow

Its hilarious that a phone this new doesnt support that kind of alarm. All of my other phones works that way....

It's not a phone, it's a smartphone, pretty much a small PC...
So if you poweroff your desktop, usually not much it can do
That's the same, workaround is to use PlaneMode (along WirelessTime freeware in example)
This way, it wont be off at all..

Like for PDA, you usually never power off this kind of system. You put it in standby mode instead (either automatically or manually)
And the alarm works well with the HD is in stanby mode. It will wake up and ring.
Note that the usual phone are in some kind of standby mode, not fully powered off otherwise the alarm wouldn't work either !

you can switch off the phone part in standby mode and it will give you busy signal though reminders and alarms will work.

Alarm while phone is off!!

Hi, has someone developed a way to sound the alarm when the phone is off?? I saw somehere that you need to program the alarm in the BIOS.
I really hate to call these 'smartphones' when a basic phone would do that!! Alarm clocks are a passe anyways!

Flight mode is the way.
It is useless to switch off the phone...in flight mode the battery has almost no drains (1% at most).

monilhathi said:
Hi, has someone developed a way to sound the alarm when the phone is off?? I saw somehere that you need to program the alarm in the BIOS.
I really hate to call these 'smartphones' when a basic phone would do that!! Alarm clocks are a passe anyways!
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That's because when you switch the phone off IT IS OFF.
A Nokia, say, doesn't switch off - it goes into flight mode and switches the screen off.
If you notice a Nokia phone loses battery power even when swithed off because in fact it is still on. That's why the alarms go off
Therefor: Switch to flightmode and turn the screen off = same result - but smarter !!!!

Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??

monilhathi said:
Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??
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It's a feature Nokia added so people could turn the phone signals off manually in situations where it was unwanted. On planes for example.

You could try this
Ageye G-Alarm, is isn't free but claims to
"Save battery power overnight
Using the integrated flight mode you can turn off the phone and therefore minimize the battery drain until the next alarm. Afterwards G-Alarm automatically turns your phone on again."
Same thing, but might do it automatically, but its too much for me, I don't need all the functions so haven't tried it.

Thanks! But would not want to use two third party apps just for the alarm! Looks like I might need to get back to my old & trusted alarm clock or use my other Nokia phone!

monilhathi said:
Thanks! But would not want to use two third party apps just for the alarm! Looks like I might need to get back to my old & trusted alarm clock or use my other Nokia phone!
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Which two 3rd party apps are involved in using flight mode? (by my count none are used)
You can even configure a long hold of the hang-up button to enable it if you want in button config...
P.

monilhathi said:
Why then there is a 'Flight mode' option in Nokia as well? Cant seem to understand this??
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In Flight mode, you can still use your phone in "off-line" mode, you can even use WiFi... so saying that turned off Nokia is actually still ON - only in flight mode - can only say someone who doesn't have a clue what is going on inside the phones. Turning Symbian phones OFF/ON means soft reset, does turning Flight mode ON/Off means soft reset in any phone? Of course not.
Take your laptop - there is power save mode, sleep mode and hibernation. But OS (say Windows) is still running, even it is on the lowest possible level, so a few external inputs (keyboard, mouse, modem), most of them you can specify in Bios, can bring the system from stanby or even hybernation mode. When you turn off your Nokia, operating system (Symbian and Maemo too) is completely off. But the internal clock chip is still running, althoug only on cca 1/100th of clock rate. When you turn phone off, the info from the alarm clock is written to this chip, telling him after how many those slow cycles he suppose to wake up (if there is anough power from the battery left). Would be easy to implement this to any phone hardware, HTC, Sony ... they'll just have to run something else than Win OS. So blame the Microsoft - but go easy on them - it's relict from the old ages of PDA, when Windows and phones were two totaly different things. Whatever I wrote is not a 100% accurate, but I was trying to make it simple and uderstandable. BTW any phone (HTC also) is loosing battery capacity when is OFF. Actually, take the battery out and it will still loosing power, after some time in even more (in hot and humid conditions) than when you leave it in the deep level stage inside the Nokia.