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So now that HTC have told HD owner to go **** themslves (with regard to WM 6.5)

... do you, the devs of xda developers think it is feisable to run a WM 6.5 ROM at optimum performance on a Touch HD? Okay so we dont have the dedicated Windows Key, but surely we have the spec to run things such as the honeycomb

why ? Where told HTC to not suppport HTC Touch HD any further ?
hans

Did they? how silly of them.

dontworry key mapping is trivial

So, any links to back up that HTC won't release a updated rom?

link #1 - MS statement
"no devices in the market today will receive official 6.5 updates"
link #2 - HTC statement
"customers of the Touch Pro2 and Touch Diamond2 will get 6.5 upgrades for free"
So forget about official upgrade for out Blackstone..

So that means no WM6.5 with right updates for us huh?

No. To be honest, why should they? It's a major upgrade, and would cost HTC money to implement.
Bug fixes we are entitled to, not a new OS.

sorry to say
this has always been the same with WM.....
GET USED TO IT

Well I can't say that I'm particulary bothered about missing out on a free official upgrade to 6.5. From what I've seen so far Microsoft have just done what we've all be doing for some time now, that is making the OS more 'finger friendly'. I'm quite content with my HD now after installing some apps and tweaks to achieve this. Most from the pages of this wonderful forum.
And as for the honeycomb style today page.....they can keep it. Ugly!

To be honest why bother with 6.5 !!! Like all recent upgrades from MS it is just eye candy and nothing more...... Nothing radical or new just a knock off of the eye phone... The HTC Touch screen is more novel than MS....... Be nice if they innovated.....

Im not so bothered on the today section its the better finger menus i think will be good.

I think WM 6.5 looks great and IS A MUST for the Touch HD.
I also think it is absolutely customer ... off giving not wm 6.5 as a update - its ok to take money for it.
As you XDAlers always complain about apple - look at them - they improve the OS every 3 month and give new features and bug fiexes.
We with our nice HTC gadgets don-t get updates or new features.
I have my htc touch hd and love it, but the software is a hell of sloe any you can write as much as you want - WinMo 6.1 ist fuc... slow.
Take the G1 and see what the hardware is capable

69reichertm said:
complain about apple - look at them - they improve the OS every 3 month and give new features and bug fiexes.
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They have to. OS X Mobile does not have proper Bluetooth support, multitasking support, MMS support, copy&paste support, etc., so most advanced user are really angry.
Windows Mobile, on the other hand, is mature OS. There is not much reason to upgrade from Win Mobile 6.1 to 6.5.

I've already talked with the manager of the distributor (father of a friend) here in my country before I bought the phone. They really said that they will not give updates to get the 6.5. but if xda-devs can make a rom out of it, it still wont be official. Hopefully MS solves the auto answer call when taking out the phone, i hate using s2u2 cuz there are sometimes delay and wastes a couple of rings (caller side)

Come on guys. 6.5 ? Honeycomb interface and that is about it, right ? Who cares since most of advanced users use 3rd-party UI anyway. It has FingerMenu version too and IE 6, but they are already here on HD
And since Diamond2/Pro2 will have 6.5 - HD will have it too. May be not officially, but ...
Listen ... I had HTC Wizard with WM5, which had never been officially upgraded. Did not stop me from have it with WM6.1 Pretty sure even Wizard will have 6.5, why not HD ? Dont worry about it.

is the ui all that 6.5 will bring? no additional backend features/settings?

Till yesterday i wanted WM6.5 in HD badly... actually, i still want it.
But now what i really really really want is the new TF3D

Jesus. Are only novice users writing here You want WinMo 6.5 Head over to the ROM section of THIS forum and you will get at least 2 WinMo 6.5 ROM's TODAY They are with early BETA versions of the OS, so you can see things others will MAYBE see in 7-8 months. That's the really cool thing about HTC devices. You always get the good stuff first
On the other hand...HTC actually offers WinMo ugrades for premium phones. Many WinMo 5 phones (including my old Artemis) got an official WinMo 6 upgrade and my Polaris recieved WinMo 6.1 as did the Kaiser, HTC Touch etc.
So stop complaining. The VERY first WimMo 6.5 ALPHA leaked for the...Blue Angel. For those not knowing this great device: The Blue Angel is shipped originaly with WinMo 2003 (not even SE) and is 5 years old.

Here see a Video people demonstrating WM 6.5
http://video.golem.de/handy/1860/windows-mobile-6.5-mobile-world-congress-2009.html
Its not so well performing, as I hoped, maybe it'll get better.

Windows Mobile 6.5

how do i get and install windows mobile 6.5?
because on this page it says u cant =[
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/meet/wm65-upgrade.mspx#phoneList

Please take this advice to heart, earnestly and literally: Search.

zbubblez said:
how do i get and install windows mobile 6.5?
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Go to the Vogue Upgrading etc. forum, there are guides and roms for installing 6.5.

zbubblez said:
how do i get and install windows mobile 6.5?
because on this page it says u cant =[
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/meet/wm65-upgrade.mspx#phoneList
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And you went to search for this info from M$?!?
Look in my signature, there is a link for a guide to upgrading the Vogue.

egzthunder1 said:
And you went to search for this info from M$?!?
Look in my signature, there is a link for a guide to upgrading the Vogue.
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win mo FAIL, android WIN!
my $0.02

jamezelle said:
win mo FAIL, android WIN!
my $0.02
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After running Android 1.6 on my Vogue for a few weeks I am going back to Windows Mobile for now. I want to get some real-world usage experience with both.
After a few weeks with Android there are some things that drive me bonkers about it. Like when I press the red hang-up button repeatedly several times (as I am apt to do just to make sure the call is good and ended) the thing turns off. Drives me nuts. I realized this is mapped to “sleep” mode under the current Vogue/Android builds but it’s a huge usability issue for me. Power button should be power. Period.
And I just want to compare real life usage to real life usage going back and forth on these two platform so I can be somewhat objective about comparing them. So I am going back to a WM 6.5x build for now. It’s not like these choices (Android vs. WM) have to be long-term anyway
The Fish

simple answer:
1) download 2.31 coke unlocker and run the exe.
2) download the rom of your choice. MAKE SURE ITS GPS SUPPORTED OTHERWISE IT WILL BE HELL TO GET OUT OF IT.
and your good to go.

yup i got it it. loving winmo 6.5 =]

thefish123 said:
After running Android 1.6 on my Vogue for a few weeks I am going back to Windows Mobile for now.
After a few weeks with Android there are some things that drive me bonkers about it. Like when I press the red hang-up button repeatedly several times (as I am apt to do just to make sure the call is good and ended) the thing turns off. Drives me nuts. I realized this is mapped to “sleep” mode under the current Vogue/Android builds but it’s a huge usability issue for me. Power button should be power. Period.
And I just want to compare real life usage to real life usage going back and forth on these two platform so I can be somewhat objective about comparing them. So I am going back to a WM 6.5x build for now. It’s not like these choices (Android vs. WM) have to be long-term anyway
The Fish
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I want to get some real-world usage experience with both.
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if you want a real-world usage experience with both you would have to actually use a "real"(a device that was built to run android) android device. the little quirks you mentioned dont happed on real android phones. the vogue as you and everybody knows, wasnt meant to run android. and the fact that the developers made it possible is amazing.
im glad you at least gave android a run, and hope to see you back as development progresses.
James

I am curious how well WM 6.5 runs on the Vogue? How does it compare to Android? I've been running half a dozen android versions, and I like them, but I'm curious to try WM 6.5. A couple basic questions:
1. How stable is 6.5? Is it ready for primetime?
2. Is the hardware supported (bluetooth, gps, etc)?
3. How hard is the flash process? I currently have WM 6.1 and boot android from SD. Any risks?
Thanks for the info!

szman22 said:
I am curious how well WM 6.5 runs on the Vogue? How does it compare to Android? I've been running half a dozen android versions, and I like them, but I'm curious to try WM 6.5. A couple basic questions:
1. How stable is 6.5? Is it ready for primetime?
2. Is the hardware supported (bluetooth, gps, etc)?
3. How hard is the flash process? I currently have WM 6.1 and boot android from SD. Any risks?
Thanks for the info!
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If you use NFSFAN’s ROM it is stable, fast and 100% ready for prime time. It really does feel like it is a native Vogue ROM.
All the hardware works. You will have to upgrade your radio to a GPS enabled version before flashing NFSFAN’s ROM to get the GSP but thats true for any GPS functionality on any platform on the Vogue. I recommend the official ROM from Bell for GPS enabling your Vogue (if you haven’t already).
The Fish

jamezelle said:
if you want a real-world usage experience with both you would have to actually use a "real"(a device that was built to run android) android device. the little quirks you mentioned dont happed on real android phones. the vogue as you and everybody knows, wasnt meant to run android. and the fact that the developers made it possible is amazing.
im glad you at least gave android a run, and hope to see you back as development progresses.
James
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I realize that (about using a “real” Android device). However the support on the Vogue is pretty darn good. After using Android for a few weeks I don’t see a huge superiority over WM. I gotta be honest. Yes, Android is *very* slick and I was (and still am) very impressed. However I just flashed my Vogue to NFSFAN’s latest WM 6.5 ROM and you know what? It’s pretty darn slick too
I am forced to conclude (for now anyway) that they are both really good platforms for mobile devices. But the idea that WM is dying and Android is going to take over the world is overstated to say the least.
Using Android on the Vogue I still had to resort to my stylus plenty of times. This is largely due to the screen size I believe.
In Android I loved the integration with Gmail because I use Google Apps with my own domain name and this was very slick. This also works under WM using Active Sync as if Google was a giant Exchange Server too so it’s a bit of a moot point.
I found that contacts were difficult to find under Android. I find it easier to find the right contact in WM in just a few seconds (this is important for me).
I find the voice search (especially within Google Maps) on the Android to be very nearly indispensible. This is one truly value adding feature I will have trouble giving up going back to WM.
At the same time I wonder why this feature does not exist in the WM version of Google Maps. Frankly it seems like a deliberate oversight on the part of Google. Deliberately making the Android version of Google Maps better the then the WM version to make the Android platform appear superior all around. This is, of course, their prerogative but interestingly enough MS gets dragged into court when they do this sort of thing and Google apparently gets away with it. I wonder how long before Google goes from being everyone’s favorite “underdog” to just another big faceless corporation that everyone loves to hate.
I find the Google Talk app in Android cool although I text message more then I use Google Talk anyway so I am not sure I will miss this too much. Again I wonder why there is no Google Talk app for WM? Again, see my comments above regarding Google Maps.
Now don’t get me wrong. It makes perfectly good sense that Google wants to support their “own” platform more fully then their competitor’s. I understand that and as a capitalist have no trouble with it. However I wonder how Microsoft would be viewed if they deliberately made the “Office for Mac” a second rate product to the Windows version?
This post is much longer then I intended it to be
Best regards,
The Fish

Why HD2 will be my ultimate phone

I have gone and done it, just bought a HD2 and it arrives tomorrow...
Selling my Samsung Galaxy S and returning to my old faithful Windows mobile, responses I have had from some, state I must be mad its old dying platform.
But I for one still prefer my old Touch HD over the bloomin horrid Iphone and now Android, which I simply don't like, reminds me of Mobile shell and I never really liked the messy widget type layout with that either, don't get me wrong here the galaxy s is a superb phone, in fact is quite ballistic and that screen is amazing....BUT I miss my old Memory map navigation sync with my desktop, my collins bird guide and pocketbirds.
I very much miss the ease of sync with my outlook and the simplistic way everything is compatible with my office docs, I have become so used to windows mobile for so many years I don't think I am compatible with anything else just yet, but at least I gave them a go...
Hopefully the HD2 will be as good as my old HD was and more...

looks like You know what You are talking about, so all I can say is that You'll be more than happy. I know it because I am...
hd2 is the best winmo phone ever. period. snapdragon is the answer to most of problems from the past, plus sense interface makes it pleasant and useable.
my advice - stick to most recent stock rom, just tweak it as You used to with previous wm devices. I did that... rock solid, fast, no crashes nor freezes.
I am keeping my hd2 even if I'll buy something new in the future. for now there is no better choice for winmo users... and unfortunately there will never be.
a real leo...

bronx said:
looks like You know what You are talking about, so all I can say is that You'll be more than happy. I know it because I am...
hd2 is the best winmo phone ever. period. snapdragon is the answer to most of problems from the past, plus sense interface makes it pleasant and useable.
my advice - stick to most recent stock rom, just tweak it as You used to with previous wm devices. I did that... rock solid, fast, no crashes nor freezes.
I am keeping my hd2 even if I'll buy something new in the future. for now there is no better choice for winmo users... and unfortunately there will never be.
a real leo...
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sounds like a declaration of love to your leo
but you are absolutely right. its the fackin best winmo device.

Glad to see someone still spreading the love for windows mobile. I have defended WM on my Leo to many Iphone and Android fanboys who are too dumb to use WM properly.
I'll admit I have been playing with Android lately but I will never remove it if the option to flash android becomes available. I wind up back in WM much of the time.

agreed, tis a fantastic piece of kit. i've always sold on my earlier phones but as the above poster stated, this one is staying. you will love it mate !!!

naaah... I wouldn't call it love. see... it is just a tool. I understand however it's capabilities and raw power.
back in the past, I was torn between hd2 and nokia n900. well... I went for HUGE capacitive screen and snapdragon. after placing an order some doubts appeared, but... when I've unpacked the box and held it for a very first time I knew instantly I made the right choice.
now after about eight months, numerous tweaks and apps installed, despite few scratches on the housing it is still my gadget of choice. tried android (same thoughts as op, too much spb ms to me...) and iphone. well... I am waiting for android 3 and wp7, but I just may keep leo for quite a long time... we shall see...

Why do you want Android on HD2?

i've testing android roms on my hd2 for a few weeks and i still have this question:
WHY A WM USER WOULD WANT ANDROID ON HIS/HERS HD2?
1. generaly a wm user doesn't like iOS (iphone). and android is in so many ways similar to ios
2. i can't find something that android could do and wm couldn't
3. i can't see any difference in speed or smoothness between wm and android
4. i can agree that the amount of applications or games is definetely higher on android, but one can find basicaly anything he/she wants also for wm
so, please guys let me know why do you want android on yours hd2
thank you!

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i've testing android roms on my hd2 for a few weeks and i still have this question:
WHY A WM USER WOULD WANT ANDROID ON HIS/HERS HD2?
1. generaly a wm user doesn't like iOS (iphone). and android is in so many ways similar to ios
2. i can't find something that android could do and wm couldn't
3. i can't see any difference in speed or smoothness between wm and android
4. i can agree that the amount of applications or games is definetely higher on android, but one can find basicaly anything he/she wants also for wm
so, please guys let me know why do you want android on yours hd2
thank you!
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Well i asked this question myself a lot!
Even if i'm running on Android for 3 weeks now and i didn't use WM since than; it is still not easy in my opinion to answer it!
I've done it just for curiosity and for change!
All i can feel is that it's more stable and that is what i'm interested in a phone! I don't like freezes or crashes and as you said anyone can find whatever he wants in any OS... As for speed and smoothness yes they are really the same...

Thing is... since you can have both with no problems at all, why not have both?
You get the stability and efficiency of Windows Mobile for daily work, including Office Mobile and other features Android doesn't have, and then you have Android with its huge application pool for more "fun" uses.
Windows Mobile = professional tool.
Android = kid's toy
For now at least - Android is still way to instable and also, even worse, way too power hungry to be used professionally on a HD2. I need to be able to use my phone intensively all day long without having to recharge after a few hours because the battery gets drained big time.

Android is just better, even with some bugs.

+1
for me the mail app and the google sync is miles apart from the rubbish windows dishes up
I really don't like HTC Sense and I find WM 6.5 ugly, cumberson and very un user friendy
Added to the fact that the app store is miles better than Market place the apps and widgets are generally of a very high standard and most are free...
I will never go back to Windows mobile now, completely hooked on android ..

- Speaksearch
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noris08 said:
i've testing android roms on my hd2 for a few weeks and i still have this question:
WHY A WM USER WOULD WANT ANDROID ON HIS/HERS HD2?
1. generaly a wm user doesn't like iOS (iphone). and android is in so many ways similar to ios
2. i can't find something that android could do and wm couldn't
3. i can't see any difference in speed or smoothness between wm and android
4. i can agree that the amount of applications or games is definetely higher on android, but one can find basicaly anything he/she wants also for wm
so, please guys let me know why do you want android on yours hd2
thank you!
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scbrother said:
Android is just better, even with some bugs.
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now, this is definetely a solid statement. can you bring some arguments equaly solid?
Jezwick said:
+1
for me the mail app and the google sync is miles apart from the rubbish windows dishes up
I really don't like HTC Sense and I find WM 6.5 ugly, cumberson and very un user friendy
Added to the fact that the app store is miles better than Market place the apps and widgets are generally of a very high standard and most are free...
I will never go back to Windows mobile now, completely hooked on android ..
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mail app and google sync - nonsense as wm has exchange and myphone for sync.
interface ugly - that's a question of taste, but you can personalise your interface in so many ways. take for instance maxsense or spb mobile shell. android interface is so iphoneish...
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- Speaksearch
- Augmented Reality (Goggles, Layar)
- Java Development
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now this is something, although speak search you can have also in wm (bing for instance).
augumented reality - i don't know what that is and how can i use it on my android hd2
java development - is this important? in wich way?
for al 3 guys above - if android is so cool and wm is not, why don't you buy an android phone instead of using a wm phone with an imperfect android ported rom?
this is not a flame attempt is just an honest question
thank you all!

Personally Its about looks and widgets.
I know It sounds odd but I hate the look of winmo.
I also dont like having to scroll through a bunch of different screens when I can have a screen with a bunch of different info on it.
Sense on winmo comes across as a big hinderence. Only thing that made winmo bareable to me was cht and even that drove me crazy.
I always say this but as a user of all three os I am just more comfortable with android than anything else.
So i guess I would not consider myself a winmo user. I bought the phone with the intent on using android at some point.
It is hard to get people to adjust to something different. Most avid winmo users will say they like winmo better. Most avid android users will say that like android.
It all boils down to what you like.
If someone has always used intel and you get them to buy a amd when they get a virus they will blame you for suggesting the amd. I know this because I work retail. I have learned not to let my feelings or judgements get in the way.
So I say if you like winmo stick with it.
Old winmo is dead hopefully windows phone 7 can be ported to the hd2. Otherwise those who like winmo will be stuck doing it old school.

I'am waiting for the Motorola Defy. ;-)
I find the HD2 with WM also good. But i'am curious.
Bing? Speaksearch? How?
noris08 said:
for al 3 guys above - if android is so cool and wm is not, why don't you buy an android phone instead of using a wm phone with an imperfect android ported rom?
this is not a flame attempt is just an honest question
thank you all!
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As for why people dont flat out buy a android phone.
I am a t-mobile user. I do not wish to use sprint or verizon so that limits the number of phones I can use with the very large 4.3 inch screen.
We arent getting the Desire hd here in the Us. and frankly the samsung captivate is too small and missing led flash.
google 2 nexus 1 mytouch slide screens are all too small!
price is also important. If someone already has an hd2 why spend more money on a new phone when you can use android.
buggy as it maybe its pretty dang fantastic.

Turn by turn gps in Google maps is great. Windows mobile is dated. Looks basically the same as it did 8 or 9 years ago. It was designed to be used with a stylus and android was designed for touch. I don't know why people say android looks like i OS, it really looks nothing like it with widgets instead of page after page of apps.
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Turn by turn gps in Google maps is great. Windows mobile is dated. Looks basically the same as it did 8 or 9 years ago. It was designed to be used with a stylus and android was designed for touch. I don't know why people say android looks like i OS, it really looks nothing like it with widgets instead of page after page of apps.
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I agree sir I truly agree. I cant stand Ios personally.

Windows is unstable, it crashes at least once or twice a week without any heavy usage.
I went back to the HD2 after owning an iphone for 18 months, I didn't like the way apple control everything so went back to Windows and regretted it ever since. The iphone required maybe three or four reboots in 18 months.
Now I'm running Android on the HD2 and rarely drop back to windows for anything.
There are certainly problems at the moment with Android on the HD2, these will be overcome (remember these are really just beta versions at the moment) relatively quickly and we will have a stable operating system that is highly configurable and far far superior to Windows.
I'm using mdeejay_froyo_sense_v2.1a_ppp with a 2.12 radio and stock 02 uk Rom. I still lose signal occasionally with this release but no screen freezes after a week of heavy use. For me it is now more stable than windows.

guys, this is not wm vs android
please remember the question - Why do you want Android on HD2?
you all bought hd2 as a wm phone, so i find it odd that you say so many bad words about wm. did somebody twist your arms to buy hd2 or did you chose it freely?
i completely disagree with the guy saing wm is instable - on my hd2 i use custom roms and they are extremely stable (nrgz, miri&steve, indie to name just a few chefs)
turn by turn - almost any gps sofware has it
and wm may be outdated but on hd2 is very finger friendly. i don't see the need of a stylus no matter what i do
where i live a second hand hd2 is selling for 3-400Euros. with that money you can buy a samsung galaxy s - same size, even better technical specs
and yes, bing has speak search. in the home page you will see a small microphone icon. press it and the speak what you are looking for and wait for the magic
and as i said before, you can customize your interface in so many ways...
so, again, why android on hd2?
thank you!

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guys, this is not wm vs android
please remember the question - Why do you want Android on HD2?
you all bought hd2 as a wm phone, so i find it odd that you say so many bad words about wm. did somebody twist your arms to buy hd2 or did you chose it freely?
i completely disagree with the guy saing wm is instable - on my hd2 i use custom roms and they are extremely stable (nrgz, miri&steve, indie to name just a few chefs)
turn by turn - almost any gps sofware has it
and wm may be outdated but on hd2 is very finger friendly. i don't see the need of a stylus no matter what i do
where i live a second hand hd2 is selling for 3-400Euros. with that money you can buy a samsung galaxy s - same size, even better technical specs
and yes, bing has speak search. in the home page you will see a small microphone icon. press it and the speak what you are looking for and wait for the magic
and as i said before, you can customize your interface in so many ways...
so, again, why android on hd2?
thank you!
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We arent bashing windows mobile. These are our reasons as to why we want android on the hd2. A lot of regular users I know have had horrible experiences with the hd2. Most of the people I speak with hate the phone. The fact that they have winmo on the phone matters not to them.
You must have by passed the fact that I said the galaxy's screen is to small for me. Yes .3 inches matters and the fact that the galaxy s doesnt have led flash for camera's is a major kill
Like I said I chose it freely to put Android on it. When i got my phone The nexus 1 was the only android phone with decent spec's. Frankly the 3.7 inch screen is too small.

Why, because i can have Android on it, that's why

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Why, because i can have Android on it, that's why
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and if you have a gun you will start kill people just because you can?

please , how many clicks does it take in
wm/android
from lockscreen to enable wifi and go back to homescreen , 5/2
how many clicks does it take to disable orientation and go back to homescreen 6/1
how many clicks does it take to adust brightness and go back to homescreen 6/1
how many clicks does it takes to download email and fb updates after a successful wifi connect and go back to homescreen 6/0
cht may improve theese values ... but gimme a break with questions like theese , u do not deserve to run android on ur fone if u ask somthing like this

Honestly What is the point behind this question other than you just wanted to ask.
And while I do respect that you wanted to I ask I cant but wonder what you expect.
Each one of these members has a reason for wanting or not wanting android.
You really should consider accepting peoples reasons.
as you said I am not flaming I am just stating what I see.
I look forward to your response.

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please , how many clicks does it take in
wm/android
from lockscreen to enable wifi and go back to homescreen , 5/1
how many clicks does it take to disable orientation and go back to homescreen 6/1
how many clicks does it take to adust brightness and go back to homescreen 6/1
how many clicks does it takes to download email and fb updates and go back to homescreen 6/1
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Remember Windows mobile does have toggles and widgets
wait i know for sure it has toggles but widgets Im thinking not very many not that I could find anyway.

[Q] confused with all th OS thing around here

hi guys...
I have the Leo for a year or so,
i used to have WM EnergyROM and iit was perfect for me...
and then DFT came and gave us the Android gift, so i've flashed the NAND ROM
and using it ever since... BUT i don't like the idea of "cloud" sh** of the Android, I see no differance in speed, sure it looks better than WM6.5....
but it never felt solid like WM....
now i simply don't know what to do....
Leave it as is and use the Android OS or go back to WM??
i sure need some advice....

I would install Pyramid rom like I did and be happy!
Im happy with my HD2 Using android Pyramid rom with everyday use and its stable nice and solid. P.S. Im using CLK...

having used all three OS's a lot on the HD2, i can give you a fairly good idea of what id do but its very much personal preference.
There is nothing wrong with wm, I personally think its an amazing OS, yeah it doesnt look as good, yeah it doesnt run as fast but its a work horse and will do anything.
the other two OS's, WP and android are two very different kettles of fish, WP is in my opinion the best PHONE OS out there, it has a lot of great features especially around exchange support and social networks. android is a bit flaky in my opinion, but appears to have more "modability" If you dont like the whole idea of uploading to a clould then that only leaves android and WM, in my humble opinion WM wins from a userbility point of view and android wins from a interface perspective (WP wins that if you include that in to the mix!)

dazza9075 said:
having used all three OS's a lot on the HD2, i can give you a fairly good idea of what id do but its very much personal preference.
There is nothing wrong with wm, I personally think its an amazing OS, yeah it doesnt look as good, yeah it doesnt run as fast but its a work horse and will do anything.
the other two OS's, WP and android are two very different kettles of fish, WP is in my opinion the best PHONE OS out there, it has a lot of great features especially around exchange support and social networks. android is a bit flaky in my opinion, but appears to have more "modability" If you dont like the whole idea of uploading to a clould then that only leaves android and WM, in my humble opinion WM wins from a userbility point of view and android wins from a interface perspective (WP wins that if you include that in to the mix!)
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mmm food for thought....
personally i'd go for WP7 BUT MS insist not giving me an Activition key they told me to contact HTC for that beacuase "it should be provided withe your new HD7" (MS Israel) i sent mail to MS USA and they told me to contact my local MS service... so WP7 is a dead end for me...
the idea fo giving google all personal information with Android is also disturbing me but there are a very good and usfule apps in it like Whatsapp (that i use daily)...
on the other hand WM provides me a better an much more convinent way of data Sync to my PC and most of the apps that i use on Android can be replaced with equivilant apps on WM exept Whatsapp...
the G-sensors on WM don't work on all apps (like WAZE that i use daily) kind of annoing...
my friend is a Developer he told me that Android works better on the HD2 i don't know how or why or if it's true even thou the HD2 is WM native...
so i really don't know what to choose very confused and tierd of flashing from one to another just becuase "every one use this OS or the other"
honestly i think that when HTC built the HD2 they aimed for WP7 and Windows will always work better on it and Windows is much more convinient for data Sync. no "special" drivers is required or some other tricks just to allow me to connect my HD2 to PC....
Me knowing that there are no more updates for WM6.5.x from MS holds me back call me stupid but it makes me think that this platform is dead (and i know it's not true)
bahhhh very very confused......

I have tried wm, and wp7 and android, and HyperDroidCM7v3.1 is the best ROM for the hd2 that is out there now. Just give it a try and you'll know what I mean ;-) Really.
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se1988 said:
I have tried wm, and wp7 and android, and HyperDroidCM7v3.1 is the best ROM for the hd2 that is out there now. Just give it a try and you'll know what I mean ;-) Really.
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i'm currently usin it if you look at my sig.
and in my former post i explaind myself about my opinion but yrt kind fo dont know what to do... i thought about dual boot of WM and Android but it's not a solution because i want to use one OS.... not a GAZILION OS's.....

I stuck with NRG WM6.5 on my hd2. Tried android on HD2 & also via HTC Desire with native Android. Android lacked in a lot of areas I needed daily & is in no way a great looking or clever GUI. I use NRG Dinik further modded by myself & it works perfect for me in business & pleasure & is solid & all functions I use & have tested work well, closest a phone OS gets to having a PC in your pocket.
Have very little experience of WP7 on HD2, used it on native handset but not enough to go verbal on opinions.
Main call is down to how you use your device & what you prioritise, unfortunately you are one of the few who are caught with needs that can not come from one OS.
Best you can do is work with the OS that comes closest & resolve lacking apps ect the best you can ...
I am surprised that a whatsapp alternative for WM has not materialised & also surprised the XDA app never went to WM.
WM is not dead & will be in real use for some while yet but chances of new applications & any form of evolution within the OS itself is unlikely. Shame really as 6.5.5 had a hell of a lot of potential, if MS had developed it faster Android could of been unknown & buying or flashing a phone would of been much simpler.

baraks said:
i'm currently usin it if you look at my sig.
and in my former post i explaind myself about my opinion but yrt kind fo dont know what to do... i thought about dual boot of WM and Android but it's not a solution because i want to use one OS.... not a GAZILION OS's.....
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Well, it comes down to a matter of taste really... You prefer WM, use WM. I prefer Android, because it owns everything else.

se1988 said:
Well, it comes down to a matter of taste really... You prefer WM, use WM. I prefer Android, because it owns everything else.
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By saying everything else, what do you mean??? I really dont understand the difference between all the os's....
For general knowledge i use data sync alot with my pc lots of mail use office acrobat reader gps and im soft.... if this helps to advise me...
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By saying everything else, what do you mean??? I really dont understand the difference between all the os's....
For general knowledge i use data sync alot with my pc lots of mail use office acrobat reader gps and im soft.... if this helps to advise me...
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Android can meet your demands and more. Maybe WM is good enough for you, but give Android a try! I promise you, you will never go back
Why drive a Toyota Corolla, when you can have the Bugatti Veyron for free?

se1988 said:
Android can meet your demands and more. Maybe WM is good enough for you, but give Android a try! I promise you, you will never go back
Why drive a Toyota Corolla, when you can have the Bugatti Veyron for free?
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Because you will likely crash an burn in the bugatti and it will cost you more in the long run.
WM is solid, if the OEMs and networks didnt screw it up so much then it might still be a leading contender today.
as it is, WM is the best SMARTPHONE OS out there, in my opinion WP7 is the best Phone OS out there (android would fit in to this if it wasnt bloated and becoming more fragmented by the week) There is a big difference between Smartphone and phone, and iOS, android and WP do not fit the bill for a true smartphone.

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Because you will likely crash an burn in the bugatti and it will cost you more in the long run.
WM is solid, if the OEMs and networks didnt screw it up so much then it might still be a leading contender today.
as it is, WM is the best SMARTPHONE OS out there, in my opinion WP7 is the best Phone OS out there (android would fit in to this if it wasnt bloated and becoming more fragmented by the week) There is a big difference between Smartphone and phone, and iOS, android and WP do not fit the bill for a true smartphone.
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You get my vote, could not of worded it any better.
MS have to take some flack for not developing it faster & reducing OEM derived bugs by creating a base platform that did not need so much modding & stayed more in MS control.
WM is an amazing Phone OS & I find it so wasteful & short sighted on MS to of totally dumped it ...

se1988 said:
Android can meet your demands and more. Maybe WM is good enough for you, but give Android a try! I promise you, you will never go back
Why drive a Toyota Corolla, when you can have the Bugatti Veyron for free?
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Dude i'm driving a Suzuki swift 09 with 102HP and i would not swap it for buggati its too rich for my blood even for free... lol
For the os wm is the best out ther i use android just because it has whatsapp....
As i said before i dont bellive on the cloud..... it's stupid imo...
Android feels like a toy to me and suits more for teens WM feels like i have a smaller version of pc in my hand
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baraks said:
Dude i'm driving a Suzuki swift 09 with 102HP and i would not swap it for buggati its too rich for my blood even for free... lol
For the os wm is the best out ther i use android just because it has whatsapp....
As i said before i dont bellive on the cloud..... it's stupid imo...
Android feels like a toy to me and suits more for teens WM feels like i have a smaller version of pc in my hand
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Indeed WM is the smartest in base platform functionality & closest any phone OS has been to a notebook in your pocket.

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Indeed WM is the smartest in base platform functionality & closest any phone OS has been to a notebook in your pocket.
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is there a way that you can tell me the differance between th OS's WM Android and WP?
exept that Android is LiMO based.. i mean the overall difference...
UPDATE: (1.10 20:45 GMT+2) got back to WM6.5 21916 Energy ROM CHT2.0 4.7.11.... and it feel so GOOD
UPDATE: (2.10 2:33 GMT+2) Restored my NANDroid WM keeps on freezing

Well, I do agree that WM WAS a good OS. Just too bad that both support, myphone and marketplace has been discontinued, just to let WM die a silent death... At least Android is guaranteed to keep up for a long time to come
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baraks said:
is there a way that you can tell me the differance between th OS's WM Android and WP?
exept that Android is LiMO based.. i mean the overall difference...
UPDATE: (1.10 20:45 GMT+2) got back to WM6.5 21916 Energy ROM CHT2.0 4.7.11.... and it feel so GOOD
UPDATE: (2.10 2:33 GMT+2) Restored my NANDroid WM keeps on freezing
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Have a look at this link (if not done already!)for some comparisons comments on various OS's
If your WM is freezing you need to review HSPL/Radio & ROM build you are using & perhaps apps you install !
The 23699 is my favourite & most stable Energy ROM & the 290xx builds are good if you want newer ROMs (New does not always mean better) ...
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Well, I do agree that WM WAS a good OS. Just too bad that both support, myphone and marketplace has been discontinued, just to let WM die a silent death... At least Android is guaranteed to keep up for a long time to come
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No big deal never used it anyway.
I have all personal apps & work apps on my own server archive & also contacts are saved on server & via Gmail so we can access & install anywhere if needed.
Why rely on a 3rd party when you can be in control yourself.
As for Market appeal, personally I prefer sourcing apps originally via good old web searching & checking known bugs & best builds(latest ain't always greatest) ...
If you find installing loads of poor quality apps and never finding favourite version of an app again a great hobby then yes a market is a great tool !

i don't think it's HSPL/Radio ROM since i havn't changed them since last radio rom update (2.15.50.14)
maybe some app (i susspect the XDA_IE_6.1.cab)
and my favorite build is 21916, didnt like that the start is on the bottom bar...
btw when i Sync the Outlook all my appointments nd holydays are duplicated on the HD2 (and i didn't PIM backup before Sync)....

baraks said:
i don't think it's HSPL/Radio ROM since i havn't changed them since last radio rom update (2.15.50.14)
maybe some app (i susspect the XDA_IE_6.1.cab)
and my favorite build is 21916, didnt like that the start is on the bottom bar...
btw when i Sync the Outlook all my appointments nd holydays are duplicated on the HD2 (and i didn't PIM backup before Sync)....
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Interesting how we all differ as I find the lower start bar far easier for touch input ...
Have you tried these tools for duplicate cleaning ! never tested them myself but thought would mention them as you might want to review them;
TrineFix
Outlook Cleaner

Mister B said:
Interesting how we all differ as I find the lower start bar far easier for touch input ...
Have you tried these tools for duplicate cleaning ! never tested them myself but thought would mention them as you might want to review them;
TrineFix
Outlook Cleaner
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thanx i'll give it a try