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Now that we have kernel source... anyone see Ubuntu in our future?
I have unbuntu on my pc and in process of partitioning he for mac os x install 3 OS why not
Well, ubuntu netbook edition 10-10 would be the perfect candidate, but it seems someone already beat us to the punch:
http://techietonic.com/an-ubuntu-netbook-os-tablet-pc-edition-2011-the-tenq-p07-specs-features/#respond
If we could find a somewhere to download that version of ubuntu netbook, all the basic tablet specific work has already been done, might just need a couple tweeks. I have personally had no luck to even find the company's website though.
TheZedo said:
Well, ubuntu netbook edition 10-10 would be the perfect candidate, but it seems someone already beat us to the punch:
http://techietonic.com/an-ubuntu-netbook-os-tablet-pc-edition-2011-the-tenq-p07-specs-features/#respond
If we could find a somewhere to download that version of ubuntu netbook, all the basic tablet specific work has already been done, might just need a couple tweeks. I have personally had no luck to even find the company's website though.
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That does not apply, there are no hardware similarities between an android tablet and that one other than form factor.
That machine uses an Intel Atom processor, ubuntu install image on a usb drive and you're pretty much done on that one. Not so much for us.
I see now why the lack of Linux support for Tegra tablets...
http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/linux-support-becoming-unsupported
(follow the link in his post for some udated info)
Its sad, but between the Honeycomb delays, and Linux being put on the back burner, we have very limited choices at the moment. Ultimately I would like to have Linux on my A7 too, as long as its not uncomfortably slow with only 512MB DDR2 RAM. It looks like Meego might be the distribution to watch for any kind of prebuilt distributable images, at least they have some big players still on board for backing, and they support a variety of platforms.
If you have access to the Nvidia Tegra 250 Developer kit, you could try building a custom Gentoo distro. I really like Gentoo for its configurability options, but honestly, I'm afraid of bricking my A7 with one little mistake.
Android still uses a Linux kernel though, so with kernel source and ability to compile for the tegra chip progress will not grind to a halt. Things just unfortunately won't move along as quickly as most of us would like.
I think a modified version of Ubuntu NBR would run fairly quick on an a7 though.
After some more digging around on the Nvidia Developers forum, I tracked down a few "work-arounds" to install linux...however, please note that most of these posts are very dated.
http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/workaround-run-ubuntu-now
http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/fedora-12gnome-running-tegra
http://www.elinux.org/Installation_Detail
I would dare to call this post, "Instructions for the Brave".
After reading those it does sound like we could have a unbuntu os
So I've Been a Big fan of Ubuntu for a while and I was thrilled to see that they will be releasing a phone OS sometime hopefully soon. Since I have the laptop dock I have always wanted to try to put full ubuntu on it. However that never fully worked on and had to be done on a blur based rom. I love the new JB rom I have on my phone as It performs well. But at the end of the video 21:00 Mark Shuttleworth, the Founder of Ubuntu stated that Ubuntu Phone runs on ARM based chips and Android Kenerals and Drivers.
I'm just wondering Who else would love to see this run and be compatible on the atrix AND the dock. If we still have a decent amount of developers I'm sure this is more than possible.
Heres the Link for the video:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
Just putting the idea out there, but if there are any developers capable of this I'd be more than happy to support.
phone spesification is enough for run and if canonical is behind this i think its possible
I was about to post this as a new thread but when I saw this thread I decided to post it in here.
Happy New Year!
According to the video below Ubuntu for Phones will be compatible with any Android designed-hardware. If I understood it correctly, Atrix last chance is with Ubuntu for Phones for sure.
http://www.androidcentral.com/canonical-announces-its-ubuntu-smartphone-os
I have already said that once before that one reason the OEMs lock the bootloader of their phones is to prevent other platforms to be installed to shorten the life of the devices.
Millions of capable Android devices have already been abandoned due to lack of software support which I blame Google directly to allow the implementation of Wild Wild West on Android platform. The only loser in Android world is and will always be the consumers. Ubuntu for Phones will be the left jab that Google didn't see coming. I personally looking forward to see what Ubuntu for Phones can bring this year.
Update: it seems Ubuntu for Phones will not be available until 2014
Seems BBC covered the story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868
and in the article says that it will be released for the samsung galaxy nexus. porting from that to the Atrix may be hard, but it should be like CyanogenMod a little. So thats a little boost to say the least.
I also emailed canonical and showed interest in helping with the project especially with the lapdock capabilities, so ill let you guys know what I get back from them, and If its any useful Ill be sure to forward it to every developer possible.
Yes and simply
Yes it's possible for our Atrix, jus read that :
"Easier hardware enablement
We have teams based in Taipei, Shanghai, London, Beijing and Boston to engage with your engineering and factory operations – and their sole focus is to deliver a crisp Ubuntu experience on your device.
Ubuntu has already been adapted to run on chipsets using the ARM and Intel x86 architectures relevant for mobile devices, with the core system based around a typical Android Board Support Package (BSP). So chipset vendors and hardware manufacturers do not need to invest in or maintain new hardware support packages for Ubuntu on smartphones. In short, if you already make handsets that run Android, the work needed to adopt Ubuntu will be trivial."
So alright we don't MAKE handsets that runs android but we have one, we also have the kernel drivers no ? so with that it's like port a cyanogenmod ROM I think. My quote come from canonical web-site (sorry new member so I can"t post outside links ><) so it's a truth information
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So alright we don't MAKE handsets that runs android but we have one, we also have the kernel drivers no ? so with that it's like port a cyanogenmod ROM I think. My quote come from canonical web-site (sorry new member so I can"t post outside links ><) so it's a truth information
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Yep, we have Ubuntu drivers but we're not sure we will be able to use them. But indeed the project of having Ubuntu running as main OS on the Atrix is realistic as we have all the material (HW and SW) required for this, if our devs know how to use them, but I think a whole team would be required for a project this big. It's not just a port of Cyanogen, it's not about taking a kernel and some drivers and snap them with a more recent UI and newer apps. We only got a kernel and an X server, it's far enough but the thing is that this X server was published to run on dev platforms. But also know it can be used on an Atrix, but how to integrate it with a whole new platform ? It will require time mostly. I think. And devs. But we don't have many devs so we only have hope. But maybe the devs on XDA will look more at the Atrix and Webtop.
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Update: it seems Ubuntu for Phones will not be available until 2014
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Actually it's supposed to be available late 2013 - according to lifehacker....
http://lifehacker.com/5972559/the-ubuntu-mobile-os-introduced-today-coming-to-phones-in-2014
The Ubuntu Phones that ship with the OS will most likely be available in 2013 in the UK, and will clear american shores in Hopefully late 2013, but most likely will arrive around early 2014.
The OS itself will most likely clear for deployment sometime soon for the samsung galaxy nexus, as for a universal build I'm not sure If/when that will be available, so most likely we will have to see if one can be constructed for the atrix.
As far as the lack of developers, I fell that any and all developers that are still in possession of an operational atrix will want to test this, especially on a phone that isnt their daily driver and has capabilities of bringing back a strong webtop front.
absolutely possible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY
i like the ubuntu webtop, its run smooth and fast :good:
I think the atrix should be able to run it. just not mine unless the new bootloader gets figured out
Well I really think that Ubuntu can run on the Atrix, because they share the same idea, which is killed by Google: The webtop.
We just plug the phone into a dock, connect it to a monitor and that's it. Besides, the original webtop is just a big browser without many supported applications.
Several webtop-mods have shown that it is possible to run a full Debian or Ubuntu Linux on the phone.
And having one OS for mutliple devices is the stratagy that Microsoft now tries with Windows 8 on Tablets. But other than Windows, Ubuntu really got the chance to do it right.
Possible to run, but...
Well, I'm sure, it won't be a real problem to run the Ubuntu phone OS on Atrix 4g, IMHO, I'm really suprised, they used Atrix 2 and his adventages in testing. It's but I'm sure, HW would not work on 100%. Everyone knows, what is a problem with HWA drivers fot ICS+ even on android. Fingerprint drivers will be problem too... the best roms are (at least in my opinion) GB ones. This is the "tax" we pay for extraordinary HW in Atrix 4G.
Another problem in optimalization is the date of release (futher in future...who knows, how many devs will stay..)
This OS already has its own section on xda and it hasn't even been released yet lol anyways u can share your thoughts on Ubuntu for phone here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2082789
Phone Slow? go HERE
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Like I said If I got an email back I would let you guys know and sure enough it came and here it is
Thank you very much for your interest towards Ubuntu on smartphones. We have received an incredible response and have been overwhelmed with the general positive feedback! Responses both from the general public and the industry have been far greater that we expected.
In order to make Ubuntu a truly fantastic smartphone experience we will be initially working with manufacturers who will build Ubuntu into their hardware. We anticipate market availability of Ubuntu on smartphones towards the end of 2013.
To reach this goal, and offer a great experience for future consumers, our first priority will be to respond to industry inquiries from manufacturers/OEMs, silicon partners, developers and mobile operators. If you are a potential industry partner, we’d like to learn more about you. Please register your interest through our web form: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/contact-us
If you are a mobile apps developer, and want to learn how you can help bring Ubuntu to the phone, you can also find more information on:
http://developer.ubuntu.com/gomobile
We are all excited about Ubuntu for phones, but it will take some time to get into the marketplace. If you leave us your email and country details, we will let you know when there is further news:
https://forms.canonical.com/manhattan/
Once again, thank you for your interest in Ubuntu!
Yours sincerely,
The Ubuntu for smartphones team at Canonical
Pretty much everything you could have read up on :/
Greetings to all on this New Year!!!(Almost late!)
Hello people.
Searching the past week about this topic, I found the "How to upload" Ubuntu for phones on Tegra Devices like our Atrix.
Here you could find some info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
This will help un too: http://ac100.grandou.net/nvflash#debian_ubuntu_package
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
And here, the Ubuntu for phones. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
They recommend the Lubuntu 12:10 because it supposedly run from the box. I did not try this yet until I have all the tools(software & knowledge) ready...
It could be nice to have to opportunity to flash it like any ROM, but, sometimes I like the "hard" way in order to learn and develop myself.
Well guys, BON APPETITE !!!!!
While it's possible from a technical standpoint, I just don't see the developer interest which is a shame really, since the device's only weakness is the lack of updates.
Dav0 said:
Hello people.
Searching the past week about this topic, I found the "How to upload" Ubuntu for phones on Tegra Devices like our Atrix.
Here you could find some info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
This will help un too: http://ac100.grandou.net/nvflash#debian_ubuntu_package
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
And here, the Ubuntu for phones. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
They recommend the Lubuntu 12:10 because it supposedly run from the box. I did not try this yet until I have all the tools(software & knowledge) ready...
It could be nice to have to opportunity to flash it like any ROM, but, sometimes I like the "hard" way in order to learn and develop myself.
Well guys, BON APPETITE !!!!!
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This option to install ubuntu is impossible. U would risk to delete/brick partitions or nands. We need a IMG file with the filestructure and flash it with the fastboot/CWM. I can mount ubuntu 11.04 but the problem is no UI loading. Only usable is the terminal.
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Hai_Duong said:
This option to install ubuntu is impossible. U would risk to delete/brick partitions or nands. We need a IMG file with the filestructure and flash it with the fastboot/CWM. I can mount ubuntu 11.04 but the problem is no UI loading. Only usable is the terminal.
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No is not impossible. You partition an SD card load it up with kernel and system and use a dual boot solution to boot into the kernel on SD card. Of course some minor changes needed on the kernel. But not impossible.
also porting cyanogenmod is not as simple as grabbing a few drivers and adding a few kernel bits. It is a monumental task of trial and error with hundreds of lines of code to patch and sometimes full libraries have to be re written. Shoot the radio layer on the atrix was a quick hack job on cm for atrix.
Porting Ubuntu is tho should be quite easy. And maybe could even one day live in that juicy 750mb web top partition.
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You'd probably have to have /home on the internal sdcard to use /osh for installing Ubuntu.
Funny that this is the third thread in the last few days talking about using stand-alone Ubuntu on the device.
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samcripp said:
No is not impossible. You partition an SD card load it up with kernel and system and use a dual boot solution to boot into the kernel on SD card. Of course some minor changes needed on the kernel. But not impossible.
also porting cyanogenmod is not as simple as grabbing a few drivers and adding a few kernel bits. It is a monumental task of trial and error with hundreds of lines of code to patch and sometimes full libraries have to be re written. Shoot the radio layer on the atrix was a quick hack job on cm for atrix.
Porting Ubuntu is tho should be quite easy. And maybe could even one day live in that juicy 750mb web top partition.
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I mean like webtop in atrix just docking u phone and start Ubuntu version 12.04 and not 9.04 jaunty . And a small question: why does nobody can make it work? there are big changes to make it work I think. Dual boot is without a proof not working for me
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Everyone knows Ubuntu Phone OS will make debut soon! SO far I've been highly amazed by Ubuntu Phone OS. It's the ideal phone OS. Heart of a desktop PC & look of a phone OS My question is are our developers interested enough to work on this OS to port? If not, then I've the following idea. Ubuntu OS will work by default with a wide range of devices. (Just like every PCs can run Ubuntu..Their target is to give the option for every Android users to install Ubuntu on their device). But Atrix has some disadvantages for nvidia tegra 2 ap20h chipset.
I've made a request to Mark Shuttleworth to not to overlook our Atrix 4G here.As we are now stuck & little hope of ICS/JB, option of Ubuntu OS will be great for us. But as Atrix 4G uses an unique Nvidia Tegra 2 AP20H chipset, Ubuntu Phone OS may not work by default. The Ubuntu Phone OS developers may need to write additional codes to support our Atrix.
If you want Ubuntu Phone OS on our Atrix 4G please head over to this page & vote up my comment. (Saif Hassan). It will make him notice & hopefully we'll be able to say Hello to Ubuntu Phone OS on our Atrix.
NB: It's not Moto. So you can do it without hesitation
saiftheboss7 said:
Everyone knows Ubuntu Phone OS will make debut soon! SO far I've been highly amazed by Ubuntu Phone OS. It's the ideal phone OS. Heart of a desktop PC & look of a phone OS My question is are our developers interested enough to work on this OS to port? If not, then I've the following idea. Ubuntu OS will work by default with a wide range of devices. (Just like every PCs can run Ubuntu..Their target is to give the option for every Android users to install Ubuntu on their device). But Atrix has some disadvantages for nvidia tegra 2 ap20h chipset.
I've made a request to Mark Shuttleworth to not to overlook our Atrix 4G here.As we are now stuck & little hope of ICS/JB, option of Ubuntu OS will be great for us. But as Atrix 4G uses an unique Nvidia Tegra 2 AP20H chipset, Ubuntu Phone OS may not work by default. The Ubuntu Phone OS developers may need to write additional codes to support our Atrix.
If you want Ubuntu Phone OS on our Atrix 4G please head over to this page & vote up my comment. (Saif Hassan). It will make him notice & hopefully we'll be able to say Hello to Ubuntu Phone OS on our Atrix.
NB: It's not Moto. So you can do it without hesitation
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In terms of hardware, we're just above what they consider "entry level" (see http://9to5google.com/2013/01/02/ub...cted-to-ship-in-early-2014-based-off-android/)
So far we know that the OS is based in Android but without Dalvik and that it will use Android kernels. While that's great in terms of porting to existing devices, that may be an issue in terms of updates, as the Achilles heal of updates for Android is the kernel more than anything else.
Edit: Somewhat more detailed specs here
The Tegra 2 is classified as the 1Ghz Cortex A9, but our device does have more memory. The part that may be cause for concern is that the minimum requirements for Ubuntu Phone OS suspiciously fall in line with ICS minimum requirements.
I was thinking the same thing, we don't have fully stable ics-jb but maybe we can get fully stable ubuntu.
Update: just +1, hope he see it
Desde mi MB860
Lexord said:
I was thinking the same thing, we don't have fully stable ics-jb but maybe we can get fully stable ubuntu.
Update: just +1, hope he see it
Desde mi MB860
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We need more +1s to make him notice!
Lexord said:
I was thinking the same thing, we don't have fully stable ics-jb but maybe we can get fully stable ubuntu.
Update: just +1, hope he see it
Desde mi MB860
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Depends on what the kernel requirements are. The thing is, the display server can have a minimum kernel requirement, yet there is no information regarding what display server is going to be used. This makes it impossible to know if any applications written will be compatible, and without applications, your smartphone is just a dumbphone with an expensive data plan.
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We need more +1s to make him notice!
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You may have better luck in the Ubuntu Phone OS section of the forums. What you need is a thriving hub of activity, but what we have here is more like a retirement community.
However, I think that you'll find that if we want the OS on our phones, it's going to be a community effort that gets it there. If they'll be releasing readily install-able images, it's more likely that they'll target devices still in production rather than devices that have been out of production as long as ours has, especially considering the increasing number of hardware failures. To put it in perspective, Ubuntu's Unity DE currently relies on Compiz, which in turn is maintained by 1 guy, Sam Spilsbury, who left to pursue his education.
saiftheboss7 said:
Everyone knows Ubuntu Phone OS will make debut soon! SO far I've been highly amazed by Ubuntu Phone OS. It's the ideal phone OS. Heart of a desktop PC & look of a phone OS My question is are our developers interested enough to work on this OS to port? If not, then I've the following idea. Ubuntu OS will work by default with a wide range of devices. (Just like every PCs can run Ubuntu..Their target is to give the option for every Android users to install Ubuntu on their device). But Atrix has some disadvantages for nvidia tegra 2 ap20h chipset.
I've made a request to Mark Shuttleworth to not to overlook our Atrix 4G here.As we are now stuck & little hope of ICS/JB, option of Ubuntu OS will be great for us. But as Atrix 4G uses an unique Nvidia Tegra 2 AP20H chipset, Ubuntu Phone OS may not work by default. The Ubuntu Phone OS developers may need to write additional codes to support our Atrix.
If you want Ubuntu Phone OS on our Atrix 4G please head over to this page & vote up my comment. (Saif Hassan). It will make him notice & hopefully we'll be able to say Hello to Ubuntu Phone OS on our Atrix.
NB: It's not Moto. So you can do it without hesitation
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Just Upvote you! I hope they can make it for us Atrix users too. Not that I'm not glad with my Paranoid Rom, but it not a 100% top Rom, thx to Motorola
Will see in the future what the guys from Ubuntu have to offer. :victory:
Hello everybody, i'm very excited with Cyanogen's new way and i must to say that it be a huge community for the device that i solicite support.
It's a device with an awesome hardware, but, sure you know, Android OS came from China isn't very good, i hope you regard my request.
Thanks to all of you (and sorry for my quite bad english).
As an CUBE U30GT2 owner, It will be a mircale for cube U30GT2 users if you will make a rom for our device.
Cube Android os is owful, crush and stuck.
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It's a device with an awesome hardware
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Rockchip is about as far as possible from awesome as you can get from a developer perspective. RK3066 is an utter and total nightmare to work with, I assume 3188 will be equally bad.
I've attempted a bringup of RK306u6 with Codeworkx before. While someone else might be able to do a neat bringup, it won't be me working on it, I'm afraid.
The RK architecture was horrendous, I'm afraid, and had a lot of design compromises (ie. no wifi and ADB at the same time, etc)
Hi,
things have changed a bit since the rk3066.
Rockchip recently released the kernel sources and there is some work that has been made, especially by omegamoon, Galland and aloksinha2001 (take a look here : https://github.com/omegamoon/Rockchip-GPL-Kernel).
Although there are some modules that are always closed sources. :d
Given the number of Android PC Keys that run through a SoC Rk3188, it would be interesting for omnirom to work on it, or even to work in parallel with the above mentioned developers to give it a try and bring a true clean android experience, especially with the multi-window feature that would be a huge improvement in those products.
Regards.
msm8916 a.k.a. snapdragon 410 which is there on the LTE versions of Moto E. I wonder if we can get this up and running on our phones.
Link - "www(.)codeaurora(.)org/xwiki/bin/QAEP/release"
Check the October 9 releases with tag 'LA.BR.1.2.6-00110-8x16.0' and chipset 'msm8916_64'
BUMP!
*If it could be ported to Moto-E so we can get Marshmallow then yeah cool.
I have no clue about that stuff but i will keep an eye out for this topic.
Since we have only 1 GB of RAM, 64-bit is pretty much useless to us. This is a popular SoC among low end to low mid range phones though, so I expect us to easily get 6.0 in some form if Motorola won't do it. It helps that we're on stock android with little modifications already.
64bits demands more RAM to run system, apps that are developed on 32bits don't get any performance gain running on a 64bits system.
i have ported a LOT of x86 'c' code to 64 bit since 2001 roughly and there is far more to it than that..
understanding data types is your first step.. the x86 memory size limit is only part of the equation.
i have hard that as an excuse for dev's to not update their programs for a decade or two though..
you here the same old myth's about the x64 architecture.
..from people who don't code.
One example of the contradiction..
Years ago i got the source code for Cudaminer (crypto currency miner program)
And i compiled it by making slight changes to make sure it compiled in Visual Studio / MingW
And when i launched the 64bit build it was way faster than the 32bit build.
The dev of the cudaminer program said he was never going to do 64bit
because it was not any faster.. i proved crystal clear that yes indeed it WAS much faster
and not long after that he started doing his own 64bit build LOL
I also have run that test on various other miners for crypto coins and every single time the 64 bit was faster.
then years before that i had done other conversions such as eMule
I was one of the very first guys to make and share a 64bit build of eMule on the web.
it used a LOT of 3rd party libs and it had a massive code base.. it was no easy task.
64bit gives no performance gains is a myth.
All i was trying to say is this myth should not be perpetuated but rather we should look
at each case independently and see if this allegation holds true.
Some may benefit and others will not.. best way to see is do it and benchmark etc.
The internet is full of people who spout off and don't know what their talking about and i have made a career out of proving them wrong.
For example i was the only guy to crack/unlock a series of LG cell phones.
I was told by everyone on the web it can't be done because of DRM.
They were wrong and.. it had nothing to do with DRM either.
I wrote a program with a GUI (available in both x86 and x64 windows formats)
posted them online at Howard forums (nobody else ever have)
I don't listen to people on the web ..i go check for myself.
Usually when people say can't they are wrong.
Such as cloning the MEID on 2 of my old phones.. every where i looked i was told no.. "can't"
Well.. LOL
When i finished cloning them i showed some people what i did and laughed..
I had (back in '08) one LG phone and one Samsung phone (running different systems)
and i had my friend call me and text me.. both phones started ringing at once
and both received the text msg at the same time.
You don't believe everything you hear on the web
so why there is no 64 bit roms for this device and why every other sd410 phone with 1gb of ram is 32bit too?
jeez you guys really want to start with me..
look i give up, you all know more than me about 64bit code.
i give up LOL
can we get back to the main topic (the porting of Marshmallow to the phone)
you guys can keep quoting me saying you don't understand what i said (but you know i am wrong) LOL
that make sense ?
64bit is a debate all over the web.. if you have enough experience you have seen the matter argued before.
it's a hot topic so if someone brings it up don't be surprised to see some conflict.
it's sort of like saying the new versions of windows are ugly or not.. it's going to start some arguing.
the difference is i can post proof backing up my mouth (if i had to)
showing how people were wrong about 64bit being slower.
but about Android ? i never claimed to know.. all i said is let's not assume and check.
does that warrant an avalanche of mouthy replies ?
I simply said let's not jump to conclusions.
blame the guy saying that who didn't prove claims.. not me.
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by the way since you guys seem so interested in replying back to me ?
how about answering one of the many topics were i asked for help ?
seems you guys know sooooo much about this yet i am still waiting like a week later to flash my phone LOL
Yes 64bit or not.... i still think Marshmallow would be interesting for our phone.
I know almost nothing about that update though so i have no idea if it's going to work
very well for our low spec phone.
which is why i came to hear from you guys that DO know this stuff
Honestly I have it (Marshmallow) on my N5 and its pretty decent. Certainly not worth a bump to 6.0 IMHO maybe 5.3??? Its just a very polished version of lollipop as far as I can see...
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Thread cleaned of the stupidity and childish bickering... Back on-topic now thanks guys.
so what MameTozhio said is fact then ?
oh ok then..
well i change my mind then i see no point in getting this update my phone only has one gig of ram
and 64bit is only for devices with lots of ram..
childish bickering ?
or some guy making bold claims that no on is allowed to refute ?
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By the way i proved it (and mods deleted it)
but for giggles i google'd it and hit no. 1
http://www.osnews.com/story/5768/Are_64-bit_Binaries_Really_Slower_than_32-bit_Binaries_
seems i am not the only one who actually checked LOL
and i quote the guy..
I wondered if it would be best to compile my applications in 32-bit mode or 64-bit mode. The modern dogma is that 32-bit applications are faster, and that 64-bit imposes a performance penalty. Time and time again I found people making the assertion that 64-bit binaries were slower, but I found no benchmarks to back that up. It seemed it could be another case of rumor taken as fact.
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xpmule said:
so what MameTozhio said is fact then ?
oh ok then..
well i change my mind then i see no point in getting this update my phone only has one gig of ram
and 64bit is only for devices with lots of ram..
childish bickering ?
or some guy making bold claims that no on is allowed to refute ?
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By the way i proved it (and mods deleted it)
but for giggles i google'd it and hit no. 1
http://www.osnews.com/story/5768/Are_64-bit_Binaries_Really_Slower_than_32-bit_Binaries_
seems i am not the only one who actually checked LOL
and i quote the guy..
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I said that I had cleaned the thread of the stupidity and childish bickering.
Do you see your posts removed or are they still visible?
Clearly then, I wasn't referring to you.
i support you @xpmule, too many people talking everywhere without a proper knowledge
well i was saying that guy posted it should be slower pretty much and i thought hey you know what ?
Let's not jump to conclusions and wait and see.. Let's actually check.
And i tried to post some example about how 64bit myths are spread.
It's really up to each program out there as to whether it will benefit or not.
And if you listened to that guy earlier many of you would probably just oh well i don't want that update then.
With out even checking.. to see if it was better etc.
64bit vs 32bit touches a nerve on the web and i didn't want to stir up some drama for you guys here.
If i did then you all have my apologies
i say let's check it out and maybe do some benchmarks etc and see how it goes.
PS:
I am trying to leave this topic alone i don't want to agitate the mods (more than i prob have already)