Hi all,
Now that we have all got our XDA's does any one know if it would be possible to change the Screen in the XDA to a 640x480 screen so that we can use the High resolutions in the new version of Windows Mobile edition?
I have seen some screen shots of the diference and its a HUGE difference... I would love to have a 640x480 screen now after seeing what the device could look like.
I suppose that the device can pump out 800x600 for Output but am not sure if it can pump 640x480 directly to the screen? do you think they will be an upgrade option if people would like to have there screen's updated on there XDA2's?
well of cause you would have to replace the whole screen
not sure if the the xda2 is popular enough for them to consider ofering something like that
I think they will, but it'll be called XDA III
Would it not be as easy as getting a new 640x480 screen and connecting it up? Provided we can find the right size and with the correct connector of course? Is there any reasion that our XDA II will not beable to push out 640x480 reso direct to the screen?
I'm not very technical when it comes to the workings of the XDA as I do not know the hardware it has inside, and am not game enough to start poking around in it just yet...
Well I do hope for all of ours sake that we will have an option or a parth later on for the new reso it does look sooooooo much better and is super CRISP...
No, it would be possible (Se NYDITOT Virtual Display) but you can´t see ****, because the screen only has 320x240 pixels.
maybe the cable to the screen would have a different wireing
and maybe the lcd control chip on the "motherboard" would also
have to be changed
different res's on intergrated devices are never as std. as external monitors on pc's
But you can change the resolution, the problem is neither the chip but the screen. It can only display 320x240 pixels, because is has no more!
skenliv yes but he's asking if they would make an upgrade where he gets a whole new screen for his device which does support 640_480
of cause that still leave the issue with the posible connection difference
and the chip may not be able to control a bigger res and maybe one would even have to change the touchscreen along with the lcd if it's limited to a lower res aswell
anyway i'm pretty sure it would be a very expensive upgrade
and it would prob be cheaper to just buy a xda3
But it is able to handle a higher resolution, that´s what im trying to say
Although the display can show 640, but you can´t see anything because it´s so damn small on a 320x240 pixel screen.
And yes, it would probably be very very expensive to change the whole screen.
how much bigger is the e80X 's screen then xda2's ?
The E800 is 4 Inch. The XDA II is 3 Inch. So it´s quite big.
I think the amount of video ram is also a factor in the available resolution, so even if you could get 800x600 it would probably only be in 256 or 16 colours.
Maybe I wil be too sad but,the Himalaya has internal GPU that is confirmed for ATI Imageon 3200 series.
Following there are the spec:
Display Support
4/8 bit monochrome
12/15/16/18 bit color STN
12/15/16/18 bit TFT
Maximum resolution 320x480 at a color depth of 16-bpp
Partial display refresh
2 HW cursors, 1 HW icon/overlay
Frame modulation
Panel rotation (90°, 180°, 270°)
Please note the maximum resolution supported!
It NEVER support more than 320x480..so never 640x480!
You must change all the matherboard of your ppc for that and also the screen,it isn't factible.
Regards,Ser
Thanks for the replys guys although I am even more confused now, if the ATI Imageon 3200 series does not put our more then 320x480, how does the XDAII output 640x480 and 800x600 output? is this a totaly diferent card/chipset that does this work? If so things might be starting to make a little sence although I don't see why they would not use 1 chipset that could do both... so still a little confusing on the logic side of things...
Cheers...
yes,I see your confusion!
XDA2 can't output 640x480 and can't 800x600.
You probably refer to Nyditot Virtual Display,a program that force "via software" to use virtual resolutions like 640x480-800x600 and up..but more things are unreadable!
or could he be talking about displaying on an external monitor using the backpack?
No.. I think he's talking about the external output on the backpack...
fudgebottom said:
Hi all,
Now that we have all got our XDA's does any one know if it would be possible to change the Screen in the XDA to a 640x480 screen so that we can use the High resolutions in the new version of Windows Mobile edition?
I have seen some screen shots of the diference and its a HUGE difference... I would love to have a 640x480 screen now after seeing what the device could look like.
I suppose that the device can pump out 800x600 for Output but am not sure if it can pump 640x480 directly to the screen? do you think they will be an upgrade option if people would like to have there screen's updated on there XDA2's?
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fudgebottom said:
Hi all,
Now that we have all got our XDA's does any one know if it would be possible to change the Screen in the XDA to a 640x480 screen so that we can use the High resolutions in the new version of Windows Mobile edition?
I have seen some screen shots of the diference and its a HUGE difference... I would love to have a 640x480 screen now after seeing what the device could look like.
I suppose that the device can pump out 800x600 for Output but am not sure if it can pump 640x480 directly to the screen? do you think they will be an upgrade option if people would like to have there screen's updated on there XDA2's?
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Hi fudgebottom
as your friends said, the display of your pocket pc is designed for 320x240. but i found a software called Virtual Display, you can resize your screen for 640x480 and 800x600 and you can rotate the screen, ...
the site is: http://www.nyditot.com/NVDPage.asp
hope it can help
i wouldnt use that s/w on ur xda2 as it means a hard reset lol been there and done that :|
works fine on xda1 using ppc2003
I'll make this short and sweet since I'm @work and need to well, work...
I was growing tired of the burden of having the Athena with me all the time so I went down to at&t and got a Tilt... Nice phone (except for video issues which will be fixed hopefully) but I simply could not get used to a small screen again, especially for finger typing. Athena's big screen really reduces the need to use a stylus. In fact, I only use it for actually writing notes on the screen.
So, I thought, maybe 2 devices again? I could go to the Moto Q9 Global and the HP iPAQ 210/211 (release iminent if not out already...) But, the lack of wi-fi on the Moto was a deal-breaker for me since I sometimes spend 2 or 3 days at a time in a location with wi-fi only. I had the Q for a week and returned it.
I simply could not adapt to either device; I have adapted to the Athena. It's been covered before how this is not a proper phone and I agree but with my Jabra BT8010 and LG Style-I (I have and use both) it works well enough for me. I'm more of a data user than a talker.
Of course, your mileage may vary...
Yes, it is hard to leave the Athena especially when you are a custom to the screen and other aspects we take for granted. I tried the Tilt as well, and it was no match. In the end, I am still perfectly happy with the Athena until another big screen slimmer device with more capabilities.
Almost same here.
- Had a Universal -> happy;
- Universal dead, replaced with Hermes by operator -> *very* unhappy;
- Hermes eBayed, Athena bought -> happy.
Can't understand how people now how people can browse the web, play video and stuff on smallish QVGA screens.
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Yes, it is hard to leave the Athena especially when you are a custom to the screen and other aspects we take for granted. I tried the Tilt as well, and it was no match. In the end, I am still perfectly happy with the Athena until another big screen slimmer device with more capabilities.
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More capabilities - like being able to fly??
I agree with you and HeartofDarkness - the screen (and built-in GPS) make it invaluable. Now if only they would produce a version that didn't have the microdrive but just had a large solid state drive......
Came from an atom. Did all you mentioned. Damaged my eyes in the process. Fortunately damage was temporary. I'm very happy with my athena. Heavy and big compared to the atom but for now, it works for me and I love it. Until a better PPC comes out, I don't think I will consider replacing it.
Things I would look for in a new device:
thinner but wider display to improve web browsing and enable a 'narrower' device. The only REAL thing I miss about the Athena is the big screen, but with a little design alteration the size could be more-or-less maintained without making the device as bulky as at present.
Slimmer profile, rounded at the edges and no keyboard. I think the look of the device is spoiled by the hardware keyboard and I much preferred to leave it at home and use Fingertouch.
Ability to use as a handset like the Iphone for when needed (bt works but some people don't like using bluetooth/wired headsets all of the time)
Full ATI chip support.
Vueflo improvements such as auto-rotation
FlashLite 3.0 to enable full embedded flash site support!
This is what i'll be looking for. I'm sure if HTC don't release a device like this someone will.
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Things I would look for in a new device:
thinner but wider display to improve web browsing and enable a 'narrower' device. The only REAL thing I miss about the Athena is the big screen, but with a little design alteration the size could be more-or-less maintained without making the device as bulky as at present.
Slimmer profile, rounded at the edges and no keyboard. I think the look of the device is spoiled by the hardware keyboard and I much preferred to leave it at home and use Fingertouch.
Ability to use as a handset like the Iphone for when needed (bt works but some people don't like using bluetooth/wired headsets all of the time)
Full ATI chip support.
Vueflo improvements such as auto-rotation
FlashLite 3.0 to enable full embedded flash site support!
This is what i'll be looking for. I'm sure if HTC don't release a device like this someone will.
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Amen to all these.
Would just add what it should still be on winCE platform for the sake of software availability.
Also, camera taking indoor could improve.
Don't forget to replace microdrive with an SSD.
If possible, I prefer regular size SDHC. It's capacity seems to be always ahead of minisdhc and microsdhc.
But for now, Athena is still the only option meeting my needs most closely.
Despite what the cosmic feline has spewed all over xda (I hope he is banned indefinitely), I still consider the Athena a single-device solution since anything as easy to carry as a BT headset or Style-i is not burdensome as separate phone and PDA. I did the 2-device thing awhile back with an iPAQ 4705 and Nokia 6230b and I found myself without the PDA on too many occasions. Future onverged devices will mean fewer compromises than we have to make now but for now the Athena is as good as it gets and that's good enough for me. And as good as it gets has only gotten better with the AP team and xda input and development.
calm down now. let's be nice please, each to their own and all that......i use two devices at the moment as it suits my needs: am i an idiot?
the athena might get even better within a few days/weeks. im seeing if it could be a first device with something.... cant reveal what yet but oh well we'll see if it will be possible.
leoni1980 said:
Things I would look for in a new device:
thinner but wider display to improve web browsing and enable a 'narrower' device.
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Leoni,
I've given more thought to the issue of aspect ratio.
I think that we should not go for a narrower screen. Narrower screen is suitable for portrait use. Also, most applications will not be able to use it properly. Think about the problems square screens are having. Also, think about your wide screen television playing most videos, which requires the image to be flattened in order to cover the entire screen, or having to leave the two sides margin unused.
I think the aspect ratio should just stick to the standard ones because of this.
Am I making sense?
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Leoni,
I've given more thought to the issue of aspect ratio.
I think that we should not go for a narrower screen. Narrower screen is suitable for portrait use. Also, most applications will not be able to use it properly. Think about the problems square screens are having. Also, think about your wide screen television playing most videos, which requires the image to be flattened in order to cover the entire screen, or having to leave the two sides margin unused.
I think the aspect ratio should just stick to the standard ones because of this.
Am I making sense?
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Narrower screen will suit movie playback better as it is more in fitting with the widescreen standards, whereas the Athena's aspect ration necessitates more cropping to fill the screen as it is quite square. 800*480 is becoming more common on pocket pc's and moble devices so I don't think compatibility will be any more of a problem than it is with VGA. Also web browsing will be significantly improved as there will only be a minimal need for horizontal scrolling. This in turn will make remote desktop and things such as Pocket Excel, Pocket Word and any other graphical/chart app look a lot better.
What do you think?
leoni1980 said:
Narrower screen will suit movie playback better as it is more in fitting with the widescreen standards, whereas the Athena's aspect ration necessitates more cropping to fill the screen as it is quite square. 800*480 is becoming more common on pocket pc's and moble devices so I don't think compatibility will be any more of a problem than it is with VGA. Also web browsing will be significantly improved as there will only be a minimal need for horizontal scrolling. This in turn will make remote desktop and things such as Pocket Excel, Pocket Word and any other graphical/chart app look a lot better.
What do you think?
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It would be like what you see on television. Basically the extra space would not be used for many years until all movies are made in the new format. It would only happen if there is widespread adoption of wide screen TV.
Similarly, unless all PDA moves in the same direction, software vendor is not going to start coding their applications for wide screen just for a small market.
A long and narrow screen will also be unsuitable for portrait use.
I think with the 96 dpi, ability to see is not an issue with Athena's size and aspect ratio. With excel, one cannot completely eliminate need for horizontal scrolling. A narrower screen would give less visibility height wise, so I'm not sure that is better or not. But the key issue, as I mentioned, is the availability of software, which is not up to us, or the hardware vendor. To go wide and short screen is going against the de facto standard in the PDA industry, and would have to overcome too much problems to be worth it.
eaglesteve said:
It would be like what you see on television. Basically the extra space would not be used for many years until all movies are made in the new format. It would only happen if there is widespread adoption of wide screen TV.
Similarly, unless all PDA moves in the same direction, software vendor is not going to start coding their applications for wide screen just for a small market.
A long and narrow screen will also be unsuitable for portrait use.
I think with the 96 dpi, ability to see is not an issue with Athena's size and aspect ratio. With excel, one cannot completely eliminate need for horizontal scrolling. A narrower screen would give less visibility height wise, so I'm not sure that is better or not. But the key issue, as I mentioned, is the availability of software, which is not up to us, or the hardware vendor. To go wide and short screen is going against the de facto standard in the PDA industry, and would have to overcome too much problems to be worth it.
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There are already windows mobile devices with 800 by 480 screens. It would be interesting to see if there are any compatibiity issues versus standard VGA, however I doubt there are. The widescreen ratio here in britain is standard in all broadcasts of the last 3 years or so and is certainly standard in Movies, meaning that for movie and tv applications at least some of the Athena's screen height is wasted unless cropping the image. The 800 by 480 ratio is also more in keeping with the typical ratio of photography. Portrait orientation is not really an issue since the .480 resolution is the same as it would be on the Athena, though marginally scalled down in size. Overall there will be an improvement in screen real-estate and a more pocket-able device would be possible
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There are already windows mobile devices with 800 by 480 screens. It would be interesting to see if there are any compatibiity issues versus standard VGA, however I doubt there are. The widescreen ratio here in britain is standard in all broadcasts of the last 3 years or so and is certainly standard in Movies, meaning that for movie and tv applications at least some of the Athena's screen height is wasted unless cropping the image. The 800 by 480 ratio is also more in keeping with the typical ratio of photography. Portrait orientation is not really an issue since the .480 resolution is the same as it would be on the Athena, though marginally scalled down in size. Overall there will be an improvement in screen real-estate and a more pocket-able device would be possible
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I'm not the expert on this area. I just know the square screen devices had problem running many normal software, and its just my educated guess, not based on any hard research, that it might encounter similar issues in another aspect ratio.
Someone with more knowledge might want to comment on this, as I feel that I'm begining to comment based on speculations now. I'd rather not do that.
Other than this concern, I think 800x480 would be great.
Cheers.
Its a matter of choosing to stay with the past, or go with the future. In the past the 4:3 ratio was most common both for TV and computer monitor formats. Now with HD getting ready to become mainstream in many countries, the 16:9 ratio is becoming the new TV standard. Computer monitors are also quickly taking on that ratio with all the "widescreen" versions now on the market. I'm betting within 2 years 16:9 will be the definitive standard for TV and computers, especially since 4:3 content on a 16:9 screen is more useable than the reverse (watching a widescreen movie on a 4:3 screen sucks).
Now resolution is another matter, and some seem to be getting that mixed up with the physical dimention ratio. You can squish 800X480 on a 4:3 screen, or a 16:9 screen, you just need elongated pixels. Not that any company would do that, I'm just saying. So after going with 16:9, an appropriate resolution would have to go with it like 960x540.
I think the best form factor for the next version would be a 16:9 screen, which would elongate it somewhat and reduce the height. Not only would this allow for 4:3 and 16:9 content, it would make it easier to hold as a real phone (and then make sure it has a standard private earpiece so it can be used as a phone). By making it a little longer it should be able to be thinned out a little, too, since there would be more internal volume for components. Add vibrate and all the hold-outs will buy it - the ones that love every spec except the fact that its not quite a phone. The mass market won't buy it unless it has vibrate and a private earpiece. Adding the widescreen will appeal to the iphone crowd and many others looking for the next big thing.
Widescreen, a little thinner, a private earpiece and vibrate and HTC will have an instant hit.
techntrek said:
Its a matter of choosing to stay with the past, or go with the future. In the past the 4:3 ratio was most common both for TV and computer monitor formats. Now with HD getting ready to become mainstream in many countries, the 16:9 ratio is becoming the new TV standard. Computer monitors are also quickly taking on that ratio with all the "widescreen" versions now on the market. I'm betting within 2 years 16:9 will be the definitive standard for TV and computers, especially since 4:3 content on a 16:9 screen is more useable than the reverse.
Now resolution is another matter, and some seem to be getting that mixed up with the physical dimention ratio. You can squish 800X480 on a 4:3 screen, or a 16:9 screen, you just need elongated pixels.
I think the best form factor for the next version would be a 16:9 screen, which would elongate it somewhat and thin out the height. Not only would this allow for 4:3 and 16:9 content, it would make it easier to hold as a real phone (and then make sure it has a standard private earpiece so it can be used as a phone). By making it a little longer it should be able to be thinned out a little, too. Add vibrate and all the hold-outs will buy it - the ones that love every spec except the fact that its not quite a phone. The mass market won't buy it unless it has vibrate and a private earpiece. Adding the widescreen will appeal to the iphone crowd and many others looking for the next big thing.
Widescreen, a little thinner, a private earpiece and vibrate and HTC will have an instant hit.
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Yes, indeed the longer but narrower phone will be easier to hold.
Do you reckon there will be problem running existing applications on 800x480 screen?
I doubt it, although if they go 16:9 the resolution would have to be something like 960x540 or some other similar 16:9 format (I edited my post above to include this). Well-written applications like Word or GPS should already be built to handle any resolution. I know on desktop Windows any resolution change triggers a system event, which apps are supposed to monitor and adapt to. I assume since RealVGA requires a reboot Windows Mobile doesn't support resolution changes on the fly, but it should at least have an API to tell apps what the current resolution is when they first run, and most apps should already be built to adjust accordingly - there are just too many different screen sizes on the market for them not to.
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I doubt it, although if they go 16:9 the resolution would have to be something like 960x540 or some other similar 16:9 format (I edited my post above to include this). Well-written applications like Word or GPS should already be built to handle any resolution. I know on desktop Windows any resolution change triggers a system event, which apps are supposed to monitor and adapt to. I assume since RealVGA requires a reboot Windows Mobile doesn't support resolution changes on the fly, but it should at least have an API to tell apps what the current resolution is when they first run, and most apps should already be built to adjust accordingly - there are just too many different screen sizes on the market for them not to.
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True, they cannot afford to not cater to all the different resolutions and aspect ratios. What I'm worried is what in reality many programs are written by lazy programmers who had not made their applications as smart as the likes of microsoft office. Games, for example. But, I'm hopeful that more and more people would become aware of the need to make their applications aspect ratio as wellas resolution aware.
Anyway, by the time we get our next device, wm7 should be out. Then, many developers might need to go through some adaptation. Who knows, wm7 may allows resolution change without the need to reset?
leoni1980 said:
calm down now. let's be nice please, each to their own and all that......i use two devices at the moment as it suits my needs: am i an idiot?
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@me? I am perfectly calm, damnit!!! (just kidding...) Anyone who carries 2 devices is fine with me; to each his or her own, it just didn't work for me. As for spacecat, he was always picking a fight and I grew weary of his drivel cluttering xda. He's entitled to his opinion as well but stepped over the line by attacking others. 'Nuff said.
im waiting for my advantage to come and had a quick question for thoose that have the device already. do images look clear and crisp on the screen while browsing the web? i know its a vga res, but i get confused by the whole dpi thing. will the images look similar to the iphone images. not the browser im talking about the images themself. i read a comment saying that browsing on the advatange was like browsing on four kasier screens will the images not look better on the advantage because of the bigger screen? or will they look alot better than a 2.8 inch screen or 3.6 (i think iphone) screen?
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im waiting for my advantage to come and had a quick question for thoose that have the device already. do images look clear and crisp on the screen while browsing the web? i know its a vga res, but i get confused by the whole dpi thing. will the images look similar to the iphone images. not the browser im talking about the images themself. i read a comment saying that browsing on the advatange was like browsing on four kasier screens will the images not look better on the advantage because of the bigger screen? or will they look alot better than a 2.8 inch screen or 3.6 (i think iphone) screen?
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Images won't look 'better' as such aside from the increase in size. Fonts and icons however look infinitely better. The kaiser's screen is quarter vga, meaning its resolution (pixel count) is a quarter of the Athena's. The size of the Athena's screen is also bigger but this is not necessarily a given: the toshiba Portege g900 has an even higher resolution screen than the Athena and yet a substancially smaller display.
The iphone display is of a very different aspect ratio to the relatively 'square' athena display, being 1.5:1, so its resolution could never tally with the Athena. The slightly different dimensions work very well for the multimedia functions for which the iphone is optimised, most noticeably widescreen movie playback. Its actual resolution is 480 by 320 pixels, and it is very colourful crisp and sharp as well as transflective (meaning it can easily be seen in daylight: the athenas's display is not) and scratchproof.
The iphone aces the Athena on multimedia performance, given its great mp3, video and browsing capabilities. It does exactly what it supposed to do well. The athena is let down by an unsupported video chip, making it (and most HTC devices) not perform as well as it could with video playback. It also doesn't have as intuitive or attractive a UI as the Iphone. What it DOES have is lots of software, including alternative browsers, better offfice utilities, more potential for personalisation and a replaceable battery. The best screen between the two for me is the Iphone's, though it is 1.5 inches smaller so many would prefer the bigger athena display.
For the difference between qvga and vga though you have to see a kaiser and athena screen side-by-side
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I have included a screen capture for you, the picture is this good on my athena
(personally I think it is very good)
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I have included a screen capture for you, the picture is this good on my athena
(personally I think it is very good)
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im sorry, i just have to ask is that man in the pic hold an old revolver... jesus does the asain women carry a musket and a horn with gun powder in it. lol j/k
irus said:
im sorry, i just have to ask is that man in the pic hold an old revolver... jesus does the asain women carry a musket and a horn with gun powder in it. lol j/k
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LMAO... I was wondering the same thing.
ok thanks guys just wanted to make sure the images dont look all smashed like they do on a 2.8 inch screen.
The screen on the advantage is 3" x 4" @ 480 x 640 which is 160 pixels per inch
the screen on the iPhone is 3" x 2" @ 480 x 320 which is also 160 pixels per inch
the screen on the TytnII (kaiser) is 1.68" x 2.24" @ 240 x 320 which is 142 pixels per inch
A ppi count alone does not give a true reflection of the difference in resolution and size. On the face of it the Tilts ppi statistics seem to bear little difference to the athena's and iphone's. In reality both the Athena and Iphone have clearer, sharper and brighter screens which accomodate web pages and document viewer/editors in a more enjoyable fashion.
Htc's crappy, non-transflective Qvga screens are to me inexcusable on modern windows mobile devices and yet still they insist on shipping out these sub_standard slider devices. i had my Tilt/vario 3 for a week and thought it was cheap, poorly built and that components such as the 3.2mp camera were substandard given the expense of the device.
Anyway. If the next iphone has 3g, a 5mp camera with autofocus and dvd-quality video and a huge wealth of free software (and a group of talented developers constantly working on every programming need) and isn't just on O2 (in the UK) or AT&T (in the U.S.) and doesn't cost the earth....well i might give one a go.....
Some people may find this link useful , 200 Wallpapers for pocket pc's (standard 240 x 320 size)
http://sherifabdou.com/2009/02/200-hi-quality-wallpapers-for-your-pocketpc-pda-or-phone/
Maybe people with a QVGA device will appreciate them more?
that's strange I myself used these on my diamond and everything works fine.
sonkameja said:
that's strange I myself used these on my diamond and everything works fine.
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Indeed QVGA wallpaper of 240x320 can be use on a VGA screen with 480x640 . Just that it stretch the pixel of the QVGA paper on that VGA screen and you could feel the quality of the photo drops .
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Indeed QVGA wallpaper of 240x320 can be use on a VGA screen with 480x640 . Just that it stretch the pixel of the QVGA paper on that VGA screen and you could feel the quality of the photo drops .
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Hey Thanks for putting it out there.
Your welcome , if more people like this kinda stuff I'll post more
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Some people may find this link useful , 200 Wallpapers for pocket pc's (standard 240 x 320 size)
http://sherifabdou.com/2009/02/200-hi-quality-wallpapers-for-your-pocketpc-pda-or-phone/
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Thanks Sonkameja. Nice collection. Appreciate the post.
Mattster.
Next week I'm gonna post themes post. maybe 300 if I have extra time.