Hi guys, I'm contemplating to upgrade my tytn to either WM 6.0 or 6.1. Due to quite a few choices available, which version of WM 6.0 and 6.1 should I choose ? Your opinion is very much appreciated. Thank you.
Regards,
William
So many people ask this... Its really a personal choice, you REALLY need to read the description of whats in the rom and the last few pages of comments from people who have flashed the rom.
What is good for me may not be for you.
So saying I use the new 21109 build 21109 ROM by TAI_sw, with a bit of surgery for the 1st and 2nd flash screens and a special blend of apps. It seems to be stable and quick, but its early days yet...
Cheers...
Yeah, go and confuse the poor guy...
Personally, I have two favorites right now:
1) Schnap's Windows Mobile 6 Pro - It has great visual appeal, excellent visual coherence, and it's fast. Unfortunately, the biggest problem with it is that it's outdated.
2) PDACornerPro V27 - Great visuals and very fast. Visually, I prefer Schnap's over the PDACornerPro, but PDACornerPro is updated. Most important of all, at least from my opinion,is that it has a perfectly working 'HTC Youtube' app.
Currently, I am using the second one, and I am very happy with it.
best rom threads
sorry guys these kind off threads are not allowed
they always end up in a flame war......thread closed
Forgive the newbie query, but I've just purchased a X1a, and judging the time it takes to ship from Calif to Newfoundland, WM6.5 will probably be released by the time I find the Xperia in my mailbox.
Is a WM6.5 upgrade considered a "ROM upgrade"? (ie, such that all ROM tutorials here are relavent)
Will the "official" MW6.5 install come from SE and includes the Panels shell? ... or are we pretty much on our own to purchase WM6.5 and install "Panels" independently? (ie, with a little help from my friends ...)
(... not that I necessarily want to keep Panels, but I did want to accustom myself to the shell/OS as is first ...)
WM6.5 is not officially supported on the X1 by Sony Ericsson. Time will tell if this will change, however, it is considered a ROM upgrade so you will need to head over to the SE X1 ROM Development forum. There are several ROMs based on WM6.5. I tried itje's WM6.5 21501 ROM and it worked very well. Some ROMs include the panels (itje's did) and some don't.
WM isn't directly available to end users, only to device manufacturers. They have to create a customized OS image from the base WM OS to run on their specific hardware, which can then be flashed onto a device. There is no way to run a "setup" or an upgrade of WM on a device from an installation media; the only way to get an installation of the operating system onto the device is to flash the entire OS runtime image, containing all the necessary drivers and programs for the hardware, as a whole.
Also, quoting an MS blog entry on WM 6.1:
Just like with Windows Mobile 6 upgrades, making an upgrade available for a specific phone is more of a business decision than a function of technology, compatibility or hardware dependencies.
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Only time will tell whether SE will release such a ROM image for the X1, but even if they don't, there will certainly be an unofficial release of it, ported from ROMs of other devices where WM6.5 is available.
Edit: Another interesting quote concerning upgrade ROMs:
Creating a ROM image requires a significant investment from the device manufacturer (OEM) and the Carrier (or Mobile Operator as they are called everywhere else). Carrier's certification process, known as Technical Acceptance (TA) takes at least six weeks, and requires an investment that easily gets to a million dollrs. There is also an opportunity cost, both on the certification resources that must be prioritized over other phones, and in engineering resources: do we invest in upgrades for existing phones or do we accelerate launch of new phones. It is not easy to justify this investment when there is not a clear indication of how many more phones they could sell with an upgrade.
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Lots of pertinent info ... thanx a lot!! Once I have become accustomed to my Xperia as is, I'll look forward to the final releases of your WM6.5 ROMs.
As a general question regarding your ROM development ... are you moving away from panels in favor of HTC's TF3d UI, or will you always offer a Panels ROM?
Thanx again and
Cheerios from the Avalon Peninsula
Well that was worth it, a whole 5 threads to android against the 2000+ WM ones, a split by base OS would have been better and much easier to find relivent information on said OS, WM 6.1 and 6.5 are two different OSs, only idgits are suggesting that doing so would create a "we'll have to split by sence and or brew versions next"
the OS is the fundimental difference of a ROM, the software on it isnt.
Hell id help go through them all working out what belongs to which OS if time was the problem
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Well that was worth it, a whole 5 threads to android against the 2000+ WM ones, a split by base OS would have been better and much easier to find relivent information on said OS, WM 6.1 and 6.5 are two different OSs, only idgits are suggesting that doing so would create a "we'll have to split by sence and or brew versions next"
the OS is the fundimental difference of a ROM, the software on it isnt.
Hell id help go through them all working out what belongs to which OS if time was the problem
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Well actually there is 9 threads which will obviously increase once Android is fully up and running.
This is the first step of many exciting changes happening at XDA. A thread was created and members voted on this split.
At present I don't think splitting the HD rom development foums is more is required though this may change in the future between wm6.1 and wm6.5
Rick
Maybe it’s just me but I wanted air my views on current crop of cooked ROM’s. I have been an avid flasher since the glory days of cooked ROM’s from the Hermes (TyTN) era but recently I no longer feel the urge to flash, I guess the novelty has worn off me or I’ve just become a boring old fart whatever but to me it seems that a lot of talented chef feel the need or urge to release a ROM every other day with all the bells and whistle i.e. latest drivers, builds etc…. Quantity rather Quality!! The latest and the greatest does not always mean it’s the best!!!
Initially it’s great to have that choice and flash the ROM of the day until the next, just like a kid in a sweet shop all that choice but surely is it not better to release a ROM a few weeks or month down the line then to release it almost on a daily basis? At least that way one would be able to see significant improvements on the ROM!
I would like to make it clear there are very good cooked ROM’s here that would put some stock ROM’s to shame and with the recent advent of the 576 RAM hack it’s just another valid reason for novice to flash, all I’m saying is can we have more Quality ROM’s then Quantity it’s getting to the point “Too many cook spoil the broth”
well, there are many broths out there, not only 1 broth. So it doesnt matter to me.
i am inclined to agree, up to a point.
I used to cook firmware for LG phones (Viewty / Renoir) and often got accused of releasing too many, sometimes just days apart. My arguement then, and now, is that nobody if forcing you to upgrade.
However, the choice of cooked roms is mind-boggling, and there seems to be no definitive comparison table to easily show the differences between them, and the information supplied with each one is not always accurate. I have only had my HD2 for a week now, (and still loving it ) and i have flashed about 5 different roms, and keep going back to the same one, Leo Lite, by Mr Vanderlay. For me it is the best. And so far, seems to be the fastest for my own useage.
I do think there needs to be some collaboration between cookers to make comparisons easier. And perhaps slowing down releases, just a bit would make a world of difference.
Not naming names or ROMS, but some i have tried are indeed the latest and greatest, but some fundamental things remain broken and are therefore not useable in an everyday situation. This is a PHONE after all, and whats the point of reinstalling everything evry single day?
Find something you like, and stick with it
I think the section should be more organised, e.g. a WM6.5 and 6.5.x subsection with WM build and Manila build specified in tags.
g.lewarne said:
i am inclined to agree, up to a point.
I used to cook firmware for LG phones (Viewty / Renoir) and often got accused of releasing too many, sometimes just days apart. My arguement then, and now, is that nobody if forcing you to upgrade.
However, the choice of cooked roms is mind-boggling, and there seems to be no definitive comparison table to easily show the differences between them, and the information supplied with each one is not always accurate. I have only had my HD2 for a week now, (and still loving it ) and i have flashed about 5 different roms, and keep going back to the same one, Leo Lite, by Mr Vanderlay. For me it is the best. And so far, seems to be the fastest for my own useage.
I do think there needs to be some collaboration between cookers to make comparisons easier. And perhaps slowing down releases, just a bit would make a world of difference.
Not naming names or ROMS, but some i have tried are indeed the latest and greatest, but some fundamental things remain broken and are therefore not useable in an everyday situation. This is a PHONE after all, and whats the point of reinstalling everything evry single day?
Find something you like, and stick with it
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Of course no one is forcing anyone to flash! and yes I do have a preferred ROM, my own custom ROM!
Jack E said:
I think the section should be more organised, e.g. a WM6.5 and 6.5.x subsection with WM build and Manila build specified in tags.
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Great idea. I'd love something like that as well. I feel overwhelmed trying to swim through all the choices sometimes.
Hi !
I think some chefs should work toghether creating the best rom ever ;-)Collaboration is the best !!
not wishing to sound elitist, cos im pretty noob at the whole cooking game, but do you not think the lack of a super simple join the dots scheme actually helps prevent accidents by forcing people to do a little investigation themselves?
if it were boiled down to "click here for best rom" people with zero idea what they are actually doing would be flashing like crazy, then complaining when they get a brick.
samsamuel said:
not wishing to sound elitist, cos im pretty noob at the whole cooking game, but do you not think the lack of a super simple join the dots scheme actually helps prevent accidents by forcing people to do a little investigation themselves?
if it were boiled down to "click here for best rom" people with zero idea what they are actually doing would be flashing like crazy, then complaining when they get a brick.
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i think you misunderstood, what we have said is some sort of comparison chart / better named and layed out ROM section would make it easier for everybody. Nobody has stated they want a "click here for the best ROM" system.
eg:
ROM SECTION
--------------------WM 6.5
-----------------------------"Freds rom v1.1" 21889 Manilla 2.5.2010 WWE
-----------------------------"Marys rom v4.5" 21890 Manilla 2.5.1922 GER
--------------------WM 6.5.x
-----------------------------"Andys rom v1.0" 25315 Manilla 2.5.1921 WWE
-----------------------------"Janes rom v2.3" 24001 Manilla 2.5.2010 ITA
whats so wrong with that sort of layout? at least it makes it easaier to find the type of ROM you want rather than trawling through 3 or 4 pages of highly confusing rom names that get all muddled up. Its even worse where some chefs have WM6.5 and 6.5.5 roms with similar names.
Since Leo is currently the most powerful WM device, most cooks definitely would get one, and is understandable lot more cooked roms would be available.
You folks should feel lucky for that. (man, I am still waiting for the NA version...)
jackleung: import one from Australia! 850 3G compatible!
Also, someone tried to create some 'sense' of the ROMs by making www.xdaroms.com but it comes a bit short.
The concept is sound but some things need to happen to make the site great. Namely:
1) Chef support: Dedicated accounts where they can upload freely, add details, etc.
2) UI revision: It looks like the same damn mobile oriented sites we've seen for the past decade
I like the fact that there are many releases and so quickly. I also like the fact chefs are pushing the latest tech to us so quickly even if the rom is not perfect. release early get bug reports release fix etc.. its moving the platform forward and keeping it interesting imho. sure some better organization would be nice but the changelogs on the chefs pages for me do a good job of telling me what's inside the latest creation.
now I have just cooked my own rom I want more faster latest releases of dev branches to play with
I think too that there are too many choices without clear layed out differences between them.
I hope that there were some comparasion but I think its just a matter of variety
There is no substitute for real-life usage bug discovery, so I think releasing newer tech as soon as possible (letting people know that it is sort of beta and will contain bugs) means those bugs can be found and resolved quicker.
Actually, most chefs do tag the topics with WM6.5 or WM6.5.3 and mostly even include the Sense version.
After a while you realize what rom offers what. Personally, i stick with one rom that i am happy with, until the cook changes something that doesn't fit my needs anymore.
Also generally there are concepts to rom design: Some chefs cook roms with particular flavor, i.e. tweaks, hacks, design changes (such as custom task bar, backgrounds, boot splashes), and some just create "stock rom like" roms, that mostly offer either a stock rom with removed junk, or a stock rom with updated components. I prefer the latter.
gfreek said:
Maybe it’s just me but I wanted air my views on current crop of cooked ROM’s. I have been an avid flasher since the glory days of cooked ROM’s from the Hermes (TyTN) era but recently I no longer feel the urge to flash, I guess the novelty has worn off me or I’ve just become a boring old fart whatever but to me it seems that a lot of talented chef feel the need or urge to release a ROM every other day with all the bells and whistle i.e. latest drivers, builds etc…. Quantity rather Quality!! The latest and the greatest does not always mean it’s the best!!!
Initially it’s great to have that choice and flash the ROM of the day until the next, just like a kid in a sweet shop all that choice but surely is it not better to release a ROM a few weeks or month down the line then to release it almost on a daily basis? At least that way one would be able to see significant improvements on the ROM!
I would like to make it clear there are very good cooked ROM’s here that would put some stock ROM’s to shame and with the recent advent of the 576 RAM hack it’s just another valid reason for novice to flash, all I’m saying is can we have more Quality ROM’s then Quantity it’s getting to the point “Too many cook spoil the broth”
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I feel the same, in fact my new years resolution this year is to only flash stock ROMs!. My HD1 was the worst for it, every other day I would be flashing a new ROM, the pattern would normally go something like this:
Week 1
"Steve" finds a new way of improving speed and creates a ROM including the fix, I flash it but find that a few other things are broken.
Week 2
"Sam" then builds a ROM with the new speed improvement and nothing broken. So I flash it. But then realise that its blisteringly fast, because the ROM has nothing in it!
Week 3
"John" then builds a ROM that looks beautiful and has many applications, but lacks the new speed improvements. I flash, and am back to square one! And the cycle continues...
I don't think its anybodies fault, and I don't want anything to change, but I think that perhaps some of the more experienced users are feeling a little jaded now. Whereas the newer users are still in the honeymoon phase of being able to flash new, varied ROMs! I also think that there is more competition between chef's these days, and users demand the new discoveries in their favourite ROMs. (576mb / 1gz for example), meaning that the cycle is becoming ever shorter, as people are discovering new things almost daily!
it is very hard to flash rom every day this way you cannot keep any data on deice you need to inistall programms every day apply tweaks every day so so hard
Schooleydoo said:
I feel the same, in fact my new years resolution this year is to only flash stock ROMs!. My HD1 was the worst for it, every other day I would be flashing a new ROM, the pattern would normally go something like this:
Week 1
"Steve" finds a new way of improving speed and creates a ROM including the fix, I flash it but find that a few other things are broken.
Week 2
"Sam" then builds a ROM with the new speed improvement and nothing broken. So I flash it. But then realise that its blisteringly fast, because the ROM has nothing in it!
Week 3
"John" then builds a ROM that looks beautiful and has many applications, but lacks the new speed improvements. I flash, and am back to square one! And the cycle continues...
I don't think its anybodies fault, and I don't want anything to change, but I think that perhaps some of the more experienced users are feeling a little jaded now. Whereas the newer users are still in the honeymoon phase of being able to flash new, varied ROMs! I also think that there is more competition between chef's these days, and users demand the new discoveries in their favourite ROMs. (576mb / 1gz for example), meaning that the cycle is becoming ever shorter, as people are discovering new things almost daily!
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Well said, I couldn't agree more!
All true and all the different choices don't make it easier but I do notice I usually stick to a few cooks having my favorite roms...
I mean, I like a certain windows build, certain looks (default white clock, no transparent stuff), some basic apps and functionality, no need for a document tab, etc...
As a result I stick mostly to the Miri roms (and every now and then I try another, now running energy since I really liked that on the touch pro) so once you have your mind made up about what you want in general a number already drops out of the picture.
Wouldn't it be better to ask some of this enthusiastic "chiefs" to help developping Android instead for developping redundant versions of windows mobile in different "flavours". It is just waste of time. We need Android, where the real fun is!
ok, before you give me a hard time, this is not another "what is the best rom" thread. i am new to this section of the forum but from all my helping posts i know what people don't like to read
i have come to realize that there are many active chefs here and even more different roms with different features. yet i cannot test all the roms, so i'm asking you, the people who are already using those roms, whether they meet the features that i need.
i am looking for a rom based on wm6.1 (for speed), with sense 2.1 (for speed, also i like it better, at least, when it's colourful, unlike the black shipped version :X).
i don't need many built-in programs, but if i had to pick, i'd have opera mobile 10 or 9.7, opera mini 5, google maps, marketplace and myphone.
i am currently using cloudy's C2 2.3 and really like the HTC Messaging Client, but the overall speed and performance unfortunately is not great, because it just looks too damn nice.
so, most of you probably know more about the chefs and the roms, because they have been here for more than a week, could you recommend a rom, that meets my taste? all i seem to find, are sense 2.5 roms, and there are not many wm6.1 roms either, but in my opinion, the faster manila runs, the less i need the OS behind it, so if manila works perfect, i wouldn't mind sporting it on wm2003
try Blacknew V
wm6.1 & manila 2.5 ....
fastest rom for HD
and htc message with bubble...( cool...)
thanks i will have a look into it.