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Easiest way of accessing the net via home adsl with xdaII?

From another thread... i've just been told xdaII doesn't have Wi-fi as i first presumed.
Can someone suggest the best way to access the net through my home adsl router? Would bluetooth be my best bet?
Can you recommend specifically which equipment will work... since there are so many issues at the moment as to what works and what doesn't.
Thanks!!
Fais

put i-mate in usb cradle, hook up cradle to PC. i-mate uses PC's network connection.
Outside of that you'll either be springing for a usb/bt dongle (which I haven't seen any posts of anyone using) or a WiFi SD card. Can't think of any other options off the top of my head.

As you have mentioned earlier, you have already wired up your whole home with wif-, and presumably have a wi-fi access point.
The best route would thereofre be to add a wi-fi card to your xda2, such as the Socket Wireless LAN (WiFi) SD Card. This will give you better speeds than bluetooth, and you will not have to worry about profiles etc.
Just my 2c
Surur

I use a Belkin USB bluetooth dongle, and using the ActiveSync passthrough you can then browse the web on the XDA within the range of the dongle. You can get dongles with a 100m range, which should be plenty within a house.
Only trouble is, being ActiveSync, it it pot luck whether you can establish a link or not. Once you've established the link, it works quite well, though not flawlessly. It's also quite slow. Not as slow as GPRS, but not exactly snappy either. I don't know whether this is down to PIE, the bluetooth, or the ActiveSync. Most likely the latter.
Ideally, you'd use a bluetooth access point, but I'm not sure the XDA will work with that due to the absence of an appropriate protocol.

Thanks for the replies... I know what you mean onepieceman... activesync if driving me crazing
Wi-fi seems my best bet since usb seems to be incredibly slow at downlaoding a page.... thanks for the recommendations surur and graah.

don use WiFi at home! use BT
I've got both BT dongle and WiFi sdio setup at home.
The BT is actually to a notebook which is WiFi'd to my ADSL to inet...
The WiFi is faster, but:
1. the BT actually gave me better range! (I got the 100m one from Belkin)
2. the WiFi is a pig ( P I G ) on the battery.
3. the WiFi takes up my SD porn-movies slot
if you setup activesync to only do the sync MANUALLY (you have to
tell it both on the PC and on the XDA to sync manually) then
establishing BT pass-thru is much easier/faster
The internet is kinda slow on the XDA, I think probably because
MS's pocket IE is just bad. I don't think the TCP/IP works correctly
or that it opens enough connections in parallel to get the GIF's
and stuff. The network/BT/WiFi and the hardware (128Mb/400Mhz)
is much faster than what IE/Microsoft gives us.
But what do you expect from the 640Kb is enough company, that
did it again with 32 ****ing processes?!

There is also the option of XDA CF jacket

Re: don use WiFi at home! use BT
mgolanlan said:
The internet is kinda slow on the XDA, I think probably because
MS's pocket IE is just bad. I don't think the TCP/IP works correctly
or that it opens enough connections in parallel to get the GIF's
and stuff. The network/BT/WiFi and the hardware (128Mb/400Mhz)
is much faster than what IE/Microsoft gives us.
But what do you expect from the 640Kb is enough company, that
did it again with 32 ****ing processes?!
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thanks mgolanlan... does this mean the net speed is going to be on par with the usb speed? - usb was incredibly slow ... if so i may as well not bother with net access all together

usb1.1 is 12Mb /sec
if your ADSL is faster then that you are pretty lucky

What is by far the coolest thing you can do with your Hermes

I am currently getting bored with my Hermes, I have flashed about 10 Roms in the past few months and I have followed the herd on almost every customized look we can come up with (Black, Custel, iphone lookalike, kaiser lookalike) you name it.
SO I thought I would reach out and see what other people are using their Hermes for. First and foremost I use mine as a phone. Anyone else? I also use Tomtom for Nav and orb for music and videos. Once and a while I stream XM too because I have an account. But thts about it.
I would love to hear about what else I can do and what other people think the best thing they have found on the Hermes is. I'm curious to see how crazy it can get.

Links to the coolest things folks here have done:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1010449&postcount=5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=672628&postcount=1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1011991&postcount=10
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1012249&postcount=5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1209297&postcount=40
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1218608&postcount=17
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1238684&postcount=7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1213780&postcount=4
Mike

when I'm bored I use it to mess around with other people's phones and pc's,
funny how so many people leave their bluetooth on nowadays on both phones and laptops
I also use it to surf the net in classes (no laptop policy)
anyone else \()/?

afguard17 said:
I am currently getting bored with my Hermes, I have flashed about 10 Roms in the past few months and I have followed the herd on almost every customized look we can come up with (Black, Custel, iphone lookalike, kaiser lookalike) you name it.
SO I thought I would reach out and see what other people are using their Hermes for. First and foremost I use mine as a phone. Anyone else? I also use Tomtom for Nav and orb for music and videos. Once and a while I stream XM too because I have an account. But thts about it.
I would love to hear about what else I can do and what other people think the best thing they have found on the Hermes is. I'm curious to see how crazy it can get.
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Orb is awesome (I was watching Anchorman on my commute home this evening), also I use my Hermes mostly for work, so tons of email (100 a day or so), attachment viewing\editing). TomTom is a life saver, as is GoogleMaps (saves me lots of 411 charges). Besides that day to day stuff, playing with ROMs and using it to wow friends and co-workers ("I forgot my ethernet cable! how am I supposed to get online now?!"..."Oh, please... allow me" along with a million other examples), wardriving, camera, mp3 player etc.

When I am bored I use the cameras three shot panorama mode to do funny things like getting a friend to do different poses in each of the three shots when the photo is finished its pretty cool. Seeing the same person three times in the same shot doing different things can pretty funny and if you have an imagination you can do some wicked stuff, ill have to look around for some of my shots and post them.
Psiodon

haha Mike Channon you smart ass.. lol.
I use my Hermes as a webcam.. .. The guy mentioned above likes to see me naked for some reason..

I know it is stupid, but I find it cool to run old games using ScummVM. Friends are amazed when they see (and hear) Monkey Island or DOTT on this device. (for the same reason, I have DOOM on my Nokia phone )
The Pebbles application (bluetooth remote control) is fun to play around with, as it offers a great deal of controllers (touchpad, scrollwheel, ...). But I haven't got round to making a proper interface for the softwares I use (at the moment, I prefer to use Puppetmaster on my Nokia to control my laptop, is this also displays data from the application on the mobile screen).
From a technological point of view, the internet sharing via bluetooth is IMO one of the coolest features of the device.
Of course, being able to view movies or get some work done on a plane is great too. And then there is PocketFMS: connect the TyTN to a bt gps, and you get a moving map flight management system (yep, for general aviation!); which can be combined with weather data!
It is a cool device... but could be more stable at times.
Jörg

I have a bluetooth to serial device, which means I can run terminal connections over bluetooth.. so I can use it to configure routers etc.. just plug the dongle into a serial port.. connect via the phone and there's no need to carry round a laptop for that anymore.
I also use it as a phone and pda of course for those things.. For a normal day it can practically replace my laptop for dealing with both windows and *nix machines.. Pretty good if you ask me.
If you really are that bored of it send me it I can put it to good use
(oh yeah and I play scummVM on it too )

sambartle said:
I have a bluetooth to serial device, which means I can run terminal connections over bluetooth..
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My I ask what kind of bt-serial device? Does it have its own battery, or does it draw power from the serial port?
I have no experience with such devices, but the reason I'm asking is that I wonder if it is possible to connect a bluetooth GPS to a Nikon D200 (this has a serial port for a GPS, to allow for coordinates to be embedded in the exif header). Of course, a setup like this is not supported (I mailed Nikon with this question), but they didn't say it wouldn't work (they hadn't thought of this).
Thanks!
Jörg

sambartle said:
I have a bluetooth to serial device, which means I can run terminal connections over bluetooth.. so I can use it to configure routers etc.. just plug the dongle into a serial port.. connect via the phone and there's no need to carry round a laptop for that anymore.
I also use it as a phone and pda of course for those things.. For a normal day it can practically replace my laptop for dealing with both windows and *nix machines.. Pretty good if you ask me.
If you really are that bored of it send me it I can put it to good use
(oh yeah and I play scummVM on it too )
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what can you do on a windows box via serial? on a unix/linux box: that must be pretty hard given its lack of VT100 support i.e. 80x24, and no wrap around lines.

having a satnav system...
me walking like a walking encyclopedia ..
wealth of info related to work.. (medically.. )
oh forgot to mention is i dont have to worry about mespilling something.

Orb is the best

The Slingbox player is always nice to have when there is time to kill.
The "coolest" (geekyest) thing I've done is use it to control my irrigation system. I have several Insteon home automation devices installed and when I needed to check all the different irrigation zone sprinklers, I just used the phone to remote in to the host PC and turn on/off each area while I walked around the yard and made adjustments. I could also use the same process to control all the lighting in the house as well.

+1000 for Orb.

V J said:
My I ask what kind of bt-serial device? Does it have its own battery, or does it draw power from the serial port?
I have no experience with such devices, but the reason I'm asking is that I wonder if it is possible to connect a bluetooth GPS to a Nikon D200 (this has a serial port for a GPS, to allow for coordinates to be embedded in the exif header). Of course, a setup like this is not supported (I mailed Nikon with this question), but they didn't say it wouldn't work (they hadn't thought of this).
Thanks!
Jörg
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Its one of these (I actually got it cheaper than this - from the manufacturer who also sells them on ebay himself but has none on there at the minute), expansys also do them
It's powered via a USB cable.. But i have a solar charging unit that outputs via USB and works fine with it.. so i dont need usb to use it.. does the nikon proivde 5v on any ports as that would probably work.. (maybe even the usb port if it has one and supports weird configs (not just to connect it to a pc as that wont suply voltage))
I have no idea if it will connect a bluetooth gps to a camera.. the closest i can try is linking it to my bluetooth gps and seeing if nmea flows to the serial port.. ill give it as go for you this week.

frustin said:
what can you do on a windows box via serial? on a unix/linux box: that must be pretty hard given its lack of VT100 support i.e. 80x24, and no wrap around lines.
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depends whats connected to the windows box .. or what software its running.. or what its purpose is.. (i work in telecommunications)
On a desktop theres probably not much point, but theres switches, analysers, ATM's all sorts of industrial windows installations that all have serial diiagnostics and terminals..
on a *nix box its pretty much the same deal.. if its running a serial terminal i can connect to it with mToken or Mobile Putty.. theres hundreds of different bits of serial kit you can connect too.. serial is serial doesnt matter that its sent via bluetooth to the PPC.
Works on routers and all kinds of switching gear.. it's absolutly invaluable to me!!

Cool things with the TYTN
I assigned VJCandela to one of the side buttons, this help locating the key hole to my door (home, not car, I am a responsible person!) when it's pitch dark and I polished a few with the boys!
This phone belongs in a James Bond movie, period.

possibilities are endless!
Orb is great!
The Slingbox pro is awesome!!!
Im was thinking the same think as far as what else is possible via these phones... the quest for home automation is what brought me here (via search)
I think the links in the 2nd post should keep me busy for a bit...
Thanks!
Xtra

frustin said:
what can you do on a windows box via serial? on a unix/linux box: that must be pretty hard given its lack of VT100 support i.e. 80x24, and no wrp around lines.
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Wuh?
Methinks you didn't read his reply all that thoroughly.
Routers, at least enterprise class routers have serial managmenet ports - hence him specifically mentioning serial in the same sentence as routers and nothing else.
I'm not even sure I know what you're trying to say regarding VT100 support - which is just one of many types of terminal emulation (based on the old DEC VT100 video terminal). Windows itself doesn't provide out-of-band management compatible with textual terminals, but many servers *do* have serial out-of-band facilities which can in turn talk to Windows running on said server...think lights out managmement. Most Sun servers have serial access to both the PROM and running OS, and you can redirect a serial port to a console in Linux.
I'm betting that when the OP mentioned managing Winders boxen with his Hermes he was thinking RDP.
But you knew all that I'm sure. =)

I'm a musician - I use it as a guitar tuner (PhoneTuner), I have a spectrum analyzer (HASA) for finding feedback frequencies when doing sound checks, I use it to record songs I'm working on with an MP3 recorder(AudioNotes), to record lyrics (Word, Notes, or even putting lyrics into a Task item so it will sync over the air with Outlook). I use ORB for streaming media from my server while on the road. I use the LED light as a flashlight mapped to the push and hold button with VJCandela. I use it as a timer for Texas Hold 'em poker to decide when to double the blind (SPB Time). I have an english dictionary, and a spanish-english dictionary on it. I use it to read ebooks (HaaliReader). I use it as an RPN calculator (CalcNOW). I use INAV for GPS guidance with a bluetooth GPS receiver when on tour.

USB Phone via telnet?

My Trinity has VoIP available but nonetheless - as far as VoIP is concerned - I would like to just use it as a USB phone connected to my PC. It connects through USB so is it possible to use it as a VoIP handset?
I have already searched a bit on this topic, and have found that just using the ActiveSync connection won't do the trick since one cannot access the mic/speaker through USB, only data transfer as files or sync...
But I know of other client/server programs that do some telnet stuff over the connection, in order to transfer keystrokes, mouse and screen data. Would something similar be possible for what I have in mind? I just hope that the overhead or lag would not be too much. And I know for sure that other people would also like this feature
Anyone willing to give it a go, or know of an alternative?

shot in the dark...

This is a shot in the dark, but has anyone heard of anyone who got the mogul to work as an access point? Basically, use the evdo radio to connect to the internet, and use the wireless connection, either as an adhoc connection, or preferably as a full on access point with wpa2 to share to a laptop, other devices, etc. To better describe this, you can kind of do it with a laptop:
1. connect phone via ics or dun to laptop.
2. in windows, enable ics and create ah-hoc network with encryption.
3. Other laptop connects to windows laptop, gets wireless connection and is effectively using the phone as an access point.
Even better
1. Connect phone via dun to linux laptop.
2. Linux laptop (using madwifi driver or other open source) broadcasts access point settiings and works as a full on access point.
Scenario:
I want to be able to connect my mogul to my n800. I can do that now with DUN, but what if I want to use my bluetooth headphones, or the bluetooth keyboard that I haven't bought yet? Bluetooth only allows one connection at a time, so I'm SOL. If I could get my stupid mogul to work as an access point, then I could share my connection with any wireless device (how sick would that be) and reserve bluetooth for what I wanted to really do with it, not just browsing the net. Don't get me wrong, I love that I can even sync via bluetooth, but am just looking to expand the possibilties. Unfortunately, since this is WM6, I have no idea how to really work the SDK to see if network bridging is possible. If this were a Linux phone I'd probably be done already. =(

search for socks proxy.
it doesn't work that well, but it does work..
-mark

jtlonthewestside said:
Scenario:
I want to be able to connect my mogul to my n800. I can do that now with DUN, but what if I want to use my bluetooth headphones, or the bluetooth keyboard that I haven't bought yet? Bluetooth only allows one connection at a time, so I'm SOL. If I could get my stupid mogul to work as an access point, then I could share my connection with any wireless device (how sick would that be) and reserve bluetooth for what I wanted to really do with it, not just browsing the net. Don't get me wrong, I love that I can even sync via bluetooth, but am just looking to expand the possibilties. Unfortunately, since this is WM6, I have no idea how to really work the SDK to see if network bridging is possible. If this were a Linux phone I'd probably be done already. =(
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Ummm... I'm not sure what you are basing your Bluetooth information on, but the BT specification allows for up to 8 concurrent connections at once- one master devices and 7 slaves. Why do you think its only one at a time?
I use multiple connections all the time- Very often I have my phone connected to my bluetooth GPS receiver in the car, and at the same time I'm playing tunes from the same phone over my A2DP compatible car stereo... or, take a phone call on my BT headset, and all the while I'm still connected to the GPS who is still tracking my location using bluetooth. I can tell the person where I am in real-time.
I've also had someone send me a file while talking on the phone via BT headset.
You don't need such a complicated solution for your imagined problem! I don't see any reason you can't tether it and still connect to up to 7 more Bluetooth devices at the same time!
Still, using it as an access point might prove useful for other sorts of scenarios (teleconnected mobile Lan parties? WiFi on a Bus? The incredible moving hotspot?), but you don't need it... at least not for your described scenario!
Basides, you'll get better battery life out of your connected devices if just using BT instead of WiFi!

Wi-Fi Dongle and HTC Wizard... We need a router too, no?

Hello Everybody,
I have got my HTC Wizard damaged. Actually till last night it was working fine, but now when I plug it into the USB, windows says that the USB device has malfunctioned etc. I search Google and everybody said that they tried hard-reset too with no luck.
So then I started searching Google to see if I could find a wi-fi USB dongle. I do have a Bluetooth dongle but since Wizard has got Bluetooth 1.1 (I guess!) so the transfer rate does not accede 15 Kbps. This is something annoying.
Now, my main question is, that if I order a Wi-Fi dongle, will I be able to transfer files from my PC into my HTC Wizard without any intermediate router or any other network or something? A Wifi dongle is cheap, $9.9 on Google Products. But a router isn't, its at least $250 or so.
Also, if somebody has some experience with this, please do post back the speeds at which you think the data will be transfered. I am only looking for an alternate to USB. If a Wi-Fi dongle could work, it would be great! I already hate wires. I love wireless stuff.
People with experience of trying this please write down any more details that you might have. What's the maximum range of a Wi-Fi network (usually).
Thanks in advance.
I'll be waiting for your replies. Please do post back.

Can o' worms...
You'll be hard pressed to get a response. I bought a Wfib router for $12 on ebay six months ago. Most of the developers here have wfi cards in their PCs, so using a usb port is kind of a waste/pretty antiquated.
Yes, you could connect with the wizard's wifi to your PC, and transfer files with Total Commander (all over the forum & google-able), but I'm guessing no one wants to try to tackle steering someone who can't/hasn't googled a decently priced router, or feels the need to use usb for wifi. You'd have to set up a windows network, too. Wifi, if you haven't used it, is a whole new can of worms. All the info you need is out there, but you'll have to find it.
My suggestion is to dust out your ppcs usb port gently with a soft, new toothbrush, uninstall ActiveSync on your PC, reboot & reinstall, reboot, and use a different usb port on your pc. If that doesn't work, I bet you could send it in to get repaired for about $40.

Actually, I do have some knowledge of computers and can usually fight back in situations that are confusing. I am not a Pocket PC/Windows CE programmer, but I know Visual C++ etc and many other languages.
I was just wanting to know if there could be an intermediate device that could be needed that's why I posted the question. And thank you very much for the response. It was very kind of you.
I have two more questions now:
1) If wifi is like LAN, then why would we need total commander to browser files? Can't there be a way to browse files like we do usually on LAN? I mean as far as I understand, total commander would perhaps only 'share' the files over lan? Correct?
2) At what speeds can we transfer data over wifi? And what is the usual range (in meters) of Wifi data transfer?
Thanks in Advance.

Krix said:
Hello Everybody,
I have got my HTC Wizard damaged. Actually till last night it was working fine, but now when I plug it into the USB, windows says that the USB device has malfunctioned etc. I search Google and everybody said that they tried hard-reset too with no luck.
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Have you tried another USB port? Or another cable?
An unstable USB hub gave me similair problems.

Wifi *is* wireless LAN.
Wifi equipment (cards, adapters, routers) are just a replacement for the ethernet cables etc., with a few software security measures so people don't "tap in" without an invitation.
There are a million different apps that browse files. Not too many apps do sharing without browsing anymore, so I've started using sharing to mean both (sharing + browsing). TC is free, it has a (wifi/LAN) network function under "extras," (aka "//") has a txt editor and as many other extras you would want in browser. I'm not sure what you mean by "the usual way." The built in File Explorer? I don't know, and don't care, if the WM6 browser has a network plugin, I have never used it (nor Resco or any of the others) since I found TC.
You should be able to connect directly from your Wizard to your PC's wifi if you can set up a TCPIP network and assign them (the wireless part only) IP addresses. You'll want to set up your PC to act as your router by allowing the PCs internet connection to be shared. (Internet in via wire, wireless out & back to the rest of your network, incuding devices.)
I've never tried it without a router, though, but it worked fine with the LynkSys one I got on ebay for $12.
The new/different cable is a good idea.
Forgive me, but this thread, if I kept answering questions, could eat a lot of my time. If you're still stuck on the Wifi thing, there are too many great sites explaining how it works.