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Does anyone know if there's a setting to change the scroll bar from right to left in IE? I looked around but no joy. Thanks lads.
Other than using the unit upside down, I dont think this is possible! I am assuming that you are left handed ?
Nigel
It would be a nice option, not just for Universal, but for Win Mobile in general. I am left-handed, and the vertical scrolling is a PITA. I can not see where I am scrollling to because my left hand is covering the screen, and sometimes even accidentally touching it & activating links.
Same problem here Bill. Anyway, maybe someday Microsoft will make something for us the left handed ones. And thanks for the great tip veletron. lol (I can actually do more or less the same things with both hands but fot this I rather use the left.)
Couldn't you use the scroll buttons instead?
I'm working on something that could be hacked into assisting this, but it'd be a bit of a cludge.
If there's a need shout out and I'll see if I can get around to it.
V
I' m a lefty too, and would appreciate any help in the downfall of leftism
vijay555 said:
Couldn't you use the scroll buttons instead?
I'm working on something that could be hacked into assisting this, but it'd be a bit of a cludge.
If there's a need shout out and I'll see if I can get around to it.
V
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I have tried using the scroll buttons, but they don't really scroll, rather they jump from link to link (in PIE) which resulsts in very jerky screen movements, and that is not very useful for me.
Then I tried a registry hack mentioned on another forum to make the button do real screen scrolling, but when I tried to use it, the device froze, and sent me to Hard Reset H*ll.
Ideal for me would be in PIE would be scroll bars on the left and buttons that really scrolled. Actually scroll bars on the left would be nice in every application.
It is not a necesity for me, but the bar on the right is an inconvenience --mainly in PIE.
Lefty here as well dude. Would be great to have a less discriminatory device :lol:
The worst thing is, that when you use the scroll bar with your left hand, you can't really see when to stop since your hand is covering most of the screen.
All leftys out there unite !!!
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The worst thing is, that when you use the scroll bar with your left hand, you can't really see when to stop since your hand is covering most of the screen.
All leftys out there unite !!!
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nuther lefty beggin' for help...
It´s been a month since I "upgraded" from Diamond to the X1
Overall I am very pleased with the X1, BUT:
1.- I miss the smooth (flat) screen edges!! Corners are difficult to reach with my thumbs in the X1 because the screen is depressed from the chassis. The diamond's screen was flat with the chassis, thus making it very easy to press/touch icons in the corners
2.- The VOLUME keys should be located at the left, not the right (IMHO)
3.- I miss the circular touch control from the diamond: it let me zoom/pan very fast in excel and opera (circular finger movement around the central button). At least a "jog dial (p800-esque?) would have been nice...
4.- It's easy to press the "panel" button (wrongly) to answer a phone call !!
5.- Having a hardware "back" button was a plus in the diamond
6.- The "power" button is too hidden.
7.- The mini-USB connector is located at the natural left finger position. It should be ergonomically positioned down the phone ??
8.- Regarding the HW keyboard, I miss a couple of extra keys from the TyTN (dedicated CTRL key, windows context menu key, those two "softkeys" up there... etc) and I find the first row of keys too close to the phone body, making it difficult to type in the upper row
9.- Sony's standard panel is cool but dull, TouchFlo 3D was VERY USEFUL and practical... I got so used to doing everything with my THUMBS instead of the stylus...
Anybody else has noticed/missed these hardware/design issues ??
I know this is Sony's FIRST WM PDA phone
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ad 1. We discussed this topic before. A few users are with you opinion and a few users (including me) like the recessed screen because it protects the screen from scratches and I haven't got any problems with pressing anything until now.
ad 2. I never had a phone with the volume keys on the left. I think they are okay where they are. Good to reach, either you hold the phone in the left or the right hand.
ad 3. I don't know the circular touch, but it sounds interesting.
ad 4. What thumbs do you have?
ad 5. The touch button is okay for me. If not, you have the two buttons below the screens to configurate.
ad 6. The power button is perfect, because it wakes up the phone and therefore it has to be hidden. It shall not be pressed unintentional while the phone is in my pocket.
ad 7. Then the phone could not be charged while it is in a carholder. Most carholders are closed on the bottom so I'm very happy with the layout while navigating with the X1.
ad 8. A bigger keyboard would make the writing easier but the phone bigger. It's a good compromise in my opinion. I got used to the keyboard and now writing's very fast.
ad 9. That's a matter of taste, really! Let me quote myself:
The panels are great. With the SE-Panel you have everything you need in one panel -calender, messaging, weather, shortcuts aso...
You don't need to change pages like with the touchflothing. TouchFlo is one of the reasons for me not to buy a HTC phone.
I now have the SE Desktop Panel with everything I need, additionally a fullscreen weather panel if I want to know more about forecast, windspeeds and whatelse, one panel for everything that's multimedia and one panel is for the navigation software TomTom which works great with with the internal GPS
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Sorry to say that, but I like these "issues" and, as you can see, I have my reasons. But each user has its own pros and cons so the "perfect" phone is not going to happen
I too moved from a diamond to an x1 nearly a month ago, overall I think i prefer the X1.
my previous windows mobiles all had some kind of hardware keyboard, be that a full qwerty or dialpad,
(SPV c500, C550, C600, HTC wizard, HTC TYTN)
I really struggled at first without the keyboard,
I then got really annoyed with how dirty the diamond touch screen got from typing,
it also got VERY scratched because of the flat touchscreen, which i never experienced with previous phones,
yes the X1 has its little quirks, but I got to say its either equal to or better than any HTC device i know of, even htc never get it 100% right...
cheers
Steve
gtrab said:
1.- I miss the smooth (flat) screen edges!! Corners are difficult to reach with my thumbs in the X1 because the screen is depressed from the chassis. The diamond's screen was flat with the chassis, thus making it very easy to press/touch icons in the corners
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I've also got no problems with the recesed screen, actually I prefer it like that, gives a "little" more protection.
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2.- The VOLUME keys should be located at the left, not the right (IMHO)
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That's a matter of taste, anyways, they must be where the camera is, as they allo to zoom (on lower mpix. resolutions)
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3.- I miss the circular touch control from the diamond: it let me zoom/pan very fast in excel and opera (circular finger movement around the central button). At least a "jog dial (p800-esque?) would have been nice...
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Actually I don't like those "touch" controls that the newer htc's got...
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4.- It's easy to press the "panel" button (wrongly) to answer a phone call !!
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I've never pressed the panel button when answering...
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5.- Having a hardware "back" button was a plus in the diamond
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useless...
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6.- The "power" button is too hidden.
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better... sucks turning on accidentally your phone...
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7.- The mini-USB connector is located at the natural left finger position. It should be ergonomically positioned down the phone ??
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that's actually better for me...
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8.- Regarding the HW keyboard, I miss a couple of extra keys from the TyTN (dedicated CTRL key, windows context menu key, those two "softkeys" up there... etc) and I find the first row of keys too close to the phone body, making it difficult to type in the upper row
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yup, ctrl key would be great, but the other ones I don't need them, actually the upper part is in a nice position so is easy to combine keyb+screen
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9.- Sony's standard panel is cool but dull, TouchFlo 3D was VERY USEFUL and practical... I got so used to doing everything with my THUMBS instead of the stylus...
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Panels sux (actually) just like touchflo.
I've used touchflo in other devices and always end disabling it.
anyways, at least with panels we have a nice facebook one... let's hope more come soon.
10: I always cover the loudspeaker with my fingers while holding the X1. Would have been better position on the back- or downside of the device. But maybe i could just drill a hole....
Ah and
11: First touch resonse works on the Diamond, the X1 just brigthens the screenlight and you have to click again.
1. The screen design on the X1 is better, its too exposed on the Diamond.
2. Not true.
3. I like the joystic on the X1 better than the "wheel"
4. I have mapped my program launcher to the panel button + I dont have fat fingers
5. Not in my opinion, I found it rather useless. HW softkeys are much more usefull
6. No way, its better than in Diamond
7. USB connector is located in little bit weird place, but use your phone on landscape while connected, how does it sit now?
8. What you mean TyTN had CTRL, you mean you had Touch Pro not Diamond or TyTN? CTRL missing from the keyboard is disadvantage. Coming from TP I found the upper row to be close to screen at first, but now I do not experience this problem anymore, probably got used to it
9. I dont even have panels installed, or even TF3D
As you see most of these are just opinions...
One thing you did not mention is the magnetic stylus holder in the Diamond and Touch Pro... But you also did not write any of the pro's that X1 has over those devices...
I had Diamond and Touch Pro and I do prefer X1 over them... Only big thing we are missing is a stable and tweaked rom... Dutty's comingggggggggggggggggggg.....
What people seem to be forgetting is that you couldn't make a phone with a flush screen and a metal housing.
The Diamond / TP does a little vibrate when someone picks up your call, am i right? (I'm not a Diamond user)
That is a VERY handy feature in my opinion. Would've been great if that would be possible on the X1.
I have a Polaris/Touch Cruise/Orbit 02, and also got an X1 a couple of weeks ago. I really miss the scroll wheel from the Polaris as well as the Cube/touchflo. Navigation for me was much simpler. Maybe it's just the usual case of configuring Window Mobile to personal preferences. I've installed HTC Home flike I had on the Polaris and this has made things easier.
I Also find the non-flush keyboard a problem, especially when typing on the screen keyboard. On full qwerty keyboard I find it difficult hitting the keys on the left or right edge of the screen.
I remember when I got the Polaris (after having a Hermes) I had to change settings/software until I was happy with it's operation/navigation. Hopefully, it'll be the same with the X1.
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The Diamond / TP does a little vibrate when someone picks up your call, am i right? (I'm not a Diamond user)
That is a VERY handy feature in my opinion. Would've been great if that would be possible on the X1.
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This is a software feature that I would imagine wouldnt be that hard to transfer to X1...
Yes, its a software feature with the Phone application. Should work on any custom ROM with the Blackstonephone - like on mine ...
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10: I always cover the loudspeaker with my fingers while holding the X1. Would have been better position on the back- or downside of the device. But maybe i could just drill a hole....
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UPS I forgot that one !!
That's so true: hold the phone with your left hand and sound mutes (because the speaker hole gets covered)
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...ad 9. That's a matter of taste, really! Let me quote myself: "additionally a fullscreen weather panel"...
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A dedicated weather panel ?? Sounds great. I'm searching for it right now
And yes you're right: matter of taste (and use).
Don't get me wrong: I am writing my oppinions to make this phone EVEN better. As I stated before: I am overall please with the phone, I've have them all ("near" all ) and the Xperia is my best phone ever.
Matter of choices and tastes of course, but I wanted to know if somebody shared my thoughts about that minor "issues".
Regarding panels, I think it is a fresh new idea with great potential.
1.- A "camera" panel would be OK (how about a panel that turns your phone into a full Sony Cybershot digicam?? )
2.- A GPS panel would be OK too
3.- More customization options for the strandard Sony panels would be even better !!
I would have preferred the screen flat too, it doesn't need more protection as I keep it in a soft pouch. Besides I find overall its LESS protected as the dirt that gets stuck in the recessed screen is more likely to get wiped across the surface repeatedly before you actually get it removed. It also makes the grease buildup extremely hard to clean off.
My other gripe is the keyboard. I had wished the whole phone had been a little bit wider so that they keyboard was more like my Wizard. Sure you get used to the screen being so close to the top row but it does slow you down. When I go back to my Wizard I can ALWAYS type easier and quicker because the keyboard is more spaced out.
The rest listed are none issues for me. I may even like the panels in the end as I am going to play with the SDK.
haha the funny thing is that the x1 is made by HTC
What's so funny about that?
There has always been a difference between one HTC device and another. In all other respects the Wizard was rather underpowered compared to other HTC devices at the time and it was/is rather chunky. Also technically I own a T-Mobile MDA Vario, its just from visiting these forums I learnt about updating the ROM to WM6 and that its a HTC Wizard (WIZA200 actually) in a T-Mobile branded shell.
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haha the funny thing is that the x1 is made by HTC
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The X1 has been designed by sony ericsson, build in cooperation with htc and produce by htc.
so it's not a made by htc . Sony got an idea and ask one of the most experienced winmo company to make it. And they are not so pleased with htc they have stopped their partnership with them. Seems they reproach htc to have underpowered x1 software and got a lot of production problem with them.
I'm trying to understand why during sms or email typing I do a lot of typing errors. I saw that so many times I touch the keys on the on screen keyboard in the right place but I release it in the wrong one. So I can see there is a little movement of my hand and thinger that causes keyboard misunderstanding.
I tried a lot of tweaks but what I wantto try now is the possibility to configure the oem htc on screen keyboard to accept keys on press and not on release.
Can anyone help me finding registry tweaks about?
thank you!
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I'm trying to understand why during sms or email typing I do a lot of typing errors. I saw that so many times I touch the keys on the on screen keyboard in the right place but I release it in the wrong one. So I can see there is a little movement of my hand and thinger that causes keyboard misunderstanding.
I tried a lot of tweaks but what I wantto try now is the possibility to configure the oem htc on screen keyboard to accept keys on press and not on release.
Can anyone help me finding registry tweaks about?
thank you!
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It needs to accept on release because a long press has a different effect to a short one.
I know what you're saying, and I sympathize. I had problems at first, but I simply changed my typing style to suit the screen and now I'm very fast, and only make as many mistakes as I would on a real keyboard. Just get used to hitting the keyboard and lifting your finger, without moving it on the screen. It works - you just have to get used to it. It doesn't take long
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It needs to accept on release because a long press has a different effect to a short one.
I know what you're saying, and I sympathize. I had problems at first, but I simply changed my typing style to suit the screen and now I'm very fast, and only make as many mistakes as I would on a real keyboard. Just get used to hitting the keyboard and lifting your finger, without moving it on the screen. It works - you just have to get used to it. It doesn't take long
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Yes I know this. But testing can be a good starting point.
I can also imagine that a "new keyboard" can accept keyboard on press and change pressed keys if I don't move my finger for a long time. If I don't remember bad I already saw a keyboard that works in this way... if I press a key it writes the key, then if I don't remove the finger from that key it changes the pressed key with the additional one.
So, there is not any way to change working way?
I think the thing is that if you can't get used to the HTC keyboard, just use another SIP if a good one is available, or wait until someone makes a new one...
The one in opera mini beta 5 seems good, would be great ig they could make a similar one system-wide...
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I think the thing is that if you can't get used to the HTC keyboard, just use another SIP if a good one is available, or wait until someone makes a new one...
The one in opera mini beta 5 seems good, would be great ig they could make a similar one system-wide...
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Yeah, there's plenty of alternative ones out there. Fingerkeyboard, for example, seems very popular.
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Yeah, there's plenty of alternative ones out there. Fingerkeyboard, for example, seems very popular.
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I used FingerKeyboard a lot with Blackstone but with Leo I don't like it so much... I prefer to have bigger keys and HTC sense integration with the original keyboard.
The problem to change keyboard is also this one.. you can loose some integrations.
So all of you can confirm me that original keyboard is not modificable? So there are not registry configurations?
is there any help for my request?
Hit instead of release !
I do agree with you. I have tried the keyboard on the iPhone a lot, and I don't think anyone would disagree that it is much better. And the only difference is like you say that the iPhone registers where you hit the screen, instead of where you release the screen. Fast typing means you have to move your finger sideways all the time. Can it be so hard to make a keyboard that registers hit instead of release ?
Have tried several keyboards to the LEO, including Fingerkeyoard, but they all seem to have the same problem when used on the LEO.
It's a shame since the rest of the phone is genious. Let us hope someone who is capable of modifying or rewrite a complete keyboard take the challenge.
I'm asking this just from when I was using Blackstone but it seems that developers don't like to make keyboard sensible to press and not release.
Please help us!
Just airing my views for some reason on here.
I don't understand why people put a 6.5.5 rom on their HD2. I have tried it for a few days and immediately flashed back to a 6.5 rom.
1) Its pointless having the start menu icon at the bottom of the screen when we already have a hard key start menu button at the bottom of the phone.
2) The sofkey buttons are big and horrible and make everything look unbalanced.
3) I could understand flashing a 6.5.5 rom to a phone with a smaller screen because of the finger friendly interface, but its not needed on the HUGE HD2 screen. I have never had any problems touching any button on a 6.5 rom.
5) A lot of the text is truncated in the soft key buttons and in other menus making the UI look unfinished and unattractive.
6) By making the rows of menus more spaced out to make it finger friendly, the UI suddenly becomes more unattrative and more scrolling is required. All too big and spaced out.
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I like it. I have big hands, and now with 6.5.5 it's even easier to use (for me).
What about 4?
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Just airing my views for some reason on here.
I don't understand why people put a 6.5.5 rom on their HD2. I have tried it for a few days and immediately flashed back to a 6.5 rom.
1) Its pointless having the start menu icon at the bottom of the screen when we already have a hard key start menu button at the bottom of the phone.
2) The sofkey buttons are big and horrible and make everything look unbalanced.
3) I could understand flashing a 6.5.5 rom to a phone with a smaller screen because of the finger friendly interface, but its not needed on the HUGE HD2 screen. I have never had any problems touching any button on a 6.5 rom.
5) A lot of the text is truncated in the soft key buttons and in other menus making the UI look unfinished and unattractive.
6) By making the rows of menus more spaced out to make it finger friendly, the UI suddenly becomes more unattrative and more scrolling is required. All too big and spaced out.
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TOTALLY agree! 1000%
Disagree 1000000%
Looks much nicer at the bottom, its not too big, top menu looks sleaker, I never use the start button on the device. Everything else looks nicer. MP3s work on alarms.
Its basically the same as 6.5 but with improvements, so thats why I dont think its stupid to have it.
The standard theme is ugly, but there are loads of really good looking themes, next you'll be saying the scroll bar on sense is too big on the HD2.
I agree 100% With the o.p.
6.5.5 makes manilla looks like a kludge at best and the little it does improve is out weghed by complications it adds to many apps. not to mention the waste of screen space. i think they should have just increased the size of the taskbar slightly.
I agree too. I had it for just over a day and rather than getting used to it, I found it fuglier by the minute! I'd rather 6.1 than 6.5.5.
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What about 4?
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srsly OP, lurn too kount!
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srsly OP, lurn too kount!
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lol - you're pulling someone up about counting? I think spelling's quite important too
as i said in another thread, the photon build of windows mobile 7 would be an interesting experience on an HD2
Couldn't agree more. I find the buttons on the bottem terrible. To big, no advantages and they really mess up the balance of your screen.
Agree, specially the unnecessary big buttons at the bottom..
I like the buttons on the bottom, just change the theme. Square and shiney goes along way.
oops yes I forgot 4. Silly me.
I really perhaps (with my arm twisted) see the benefit on a SMALLER screen but with the HUGE screen of the LEO, there is just no need to make finger friendly with big ugly buttons and other enlarged aspects.
Yes you can make the buttons vanish but the text is still truncated in aspects and the whole screen looks bottom heavy too.
for some people 4 is just simply unlucky... anyway. call me heretic if You want, but for me 6.5 on leo is just perfect. best of both past and present of winmo. sense on top of it powered with cookie's tab and john's editor makes it even more sweet and usefull.
see... nowadays I just visit these forums only to read what's going on. I've stopped tweaking it (my leo) as it is great now.
I can't disagree enough..
for me 6.5.5 is what an operating system should be..
there are some things that need a bit of tweaking, but it's still very much work in progress.
As to the bottom buttons, you can easily get rid of the start and X (either or both ) very very easily..
otherwise it works perfectly for me
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Just airing my views for some reason on here.
I don't understand why people put a 6.5.5 rom on their HD2. I have tried it for a few days and immediately flashed back to a 6.5 rom.
1) Its pointless having the start menu icon at the bottom of the screen when we already have a hard key start menu button at the bottom of the phone.
2) The sofkey buttons are big and horrible and make everything look unbalanced.
3) I could understand flashing a 6.5.5 rom to a phone with a smaller screen because of the finger friendly interface, but its not needed on the HUGE HD2 screen. I have never had any problems touching any button on a 6.5 rom.
5) A lot of the text is truncated in the soft key buttons and in other menus making the UI look unfinished and unattractive.
6) By making the rows of menus more spaced out to make it finger friendly, the UI suddenly becomes more unattrative and more scrolling is required. All too big and spaced out.
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Agree. Only flashed 6.5.5 once, didnt like the look. It looked a bit messy in the home screen and also had some problems with some apps. Flashed back to 6.5. Nice and easy......"simples"
I like what the stock theme on the touch hd mini has done with the 6.5.3 start button, I would just like to see something official to see what the htc sense guys have done with it, seeing as they don't get to play with 7 either.
what is so special about the 6.5.3 start menu. any videos or images?
i'm asking this because it sucks when i want to get to the bottom of a contacts list or a long text file and I have to scroll it down manually. only some apps support the movement of the "scroll button" on the right (i hope you get what i mean, it's where the button gets bigger). is there any work around to this?
yeah i guess your right. Some of the system menus have that bigger "quick scroll" button, some dont. If the ones that dont end up having many items in them they can annoying, even though the momentum scrolling can go really fast its still not ideal. Unless there is something I am not aware of, I would have to agree with you
there must be some work around. if winmo can, so why can't android?
No I think its great!
you must be using mattc froyo 1.0
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No I think its great!
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great how? do you find 20 seconds of scrolling to get to the end of a page great?
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you must be using mattc froyo 1.0
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i'm using the latest nexushd2.
I don't see how it sucks.... Not matter how long the file is, you just flick it up quickly and it will most likely scroll right to the bottom. Obviously depending on how many lines but it won't take you 20 times to scroll....
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I don't see how it sucks.... Not matter how long the file is, you just flick it up quickly and it will most likely scroll right to the bottom. Obviously depending on how many lines but it won't take you 20 times to scroll....
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but still, the ability to go straight to the bottom would be nice. imagine if you're in a life or death situation where your life depends on a data at the bottom of a text file.
You suck at the scrolling of the names maybe? Maybe your phone make seperate post that say "do human with tiny fingers suck at scrolling maybe".................
Titties
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but still, the ability to go straight to the bottom would be nice. imagine if you're in a life or death situation where your life depends on a data at the bottom of a text file.
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Put google search widget on home. Type name of contact. The name pop right up in search after 2-3 letters.
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Don't blame Android, blame the dev of the app that doesn't have it. Android provides the option, and some apps are better off without such a quick scroll handle, so I'm glad it's an option and not forced.