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Using TomTom v7.450 (build 9028) the device can work fine for hours, but sometimes I start Tomtom and it will find a GPS signal and then immediately drop it again.
When I look at the satellite information, it will do this...
1. No GPS device!
2. Poor signal, are you indoors?
3. Built-in GPS receiver
4. No GPS device!
5. Poor signal, are you indoors?
6. Built-in GPS receiver
7. No GPS device!
and repeat..
You can view a video showing this effect
@ youtube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VRkPmhbst0o
@ http/avi: http://phat.nooblet.org/htc.touch.hd_tomtom.gps.avi
Hi, I've the same problem on my Blackstone, GPS works well for days bu from today the GPS signal result discontinuous with any navigation software like Tomtom(various versions), Trackypro and iGO8...any idea? Thanks
I had the similar problem when I first installed TomTom. Which settings are you using? Because I used "built-in GPS" for TomTom and had the above problem. When I changed it to "Other NMEA GPS" with baud rate at 11200 ()or whatever the max is + COM4 then gps started working like a charm. Since then no signal drops, no lag and very quick fix. Not sure if it is just by chance or is it a real fix for the above problem, but worth trying as its working for me. However, it has been 2 days only. Not sure if after a while I will have this problem or not. I am using Tom Tom 7.910 with maps 6.75.
Can You try to set the hardware port from <None> to COM9? Seems work better, the GPS signal still present...but for now I'm at home
I have more or less the same problem !
Using TomTom v7.450 (build 9028) the device works fine the 1st week, but now, I start Tomtom it xan't find GPS device !
I tried to reinstall all without success...
I also tried all the COM available !
using tomtom 7 with NMEA com 4 max baud rate. Works just fine. 8 or 9 sats locked on constantly in open areas
I'm having the same problem, although I don't have TomTom 7. But it doesn't seem to be just TomTom that's having trouble finding the GPS (and when it does, it'll never get a fix).
The Google Maps application also gives me the "No GPS found" attitude.
I've installed the HTC GPS Tool, which does seem to find a bunch of satellites, but they all stay no-fix-reddish.
Are there any guidelines on how to setup the GPS on this thing? I find it a bit strange that my settings menu only lists an option "External GPS", and no "Internal/Built-In GPS".
Can confirm that the dropping of GPS is in other applications.
I use zürich map from Lonely Planet (sure its form 2003) and it will drop the signal in the open.
Have a feeling its internal on our devices.
One possibility is A-GPS.
It is Disabled by default, but it is possible that with tools like HD Tweak or Advanced Config Tool, you, even by being unaware of it, you activated (or better : enabled) it.
To me, it was a winner : after re-disabling A-GPS, my GPS started to be stable again, no matter what port I choosed and how I configured the Navigator program.
Give it a try, could be the solution that works for you
Hi there,
I've just picked up my lovely HTC Touch HD - I'd like to buy the TomTom 7 and the correct maps to go with it to allow it to work.
Can someone please tell me where I can go to stick my Visa card details into and buy please! i'm pretty confused on the TT website and on here there's allsorts of version numbers etc mentioned!
I'd just like to have a stable running TT on my Touch!
Any chance of also having the US & Canada maps working as well as the UK maps ?
Thanks !
Dennis! West London UK!
This is not a TomTom issue. I have same problem with IGo and VisualGPSce.
I use to resolve this issue this way (in IGo or VisualGPS) : I change the baudrate in GPS configuration. Switching 19200 to 38400, or reverse, or whatever : the GPS locks and is stable after few baudrate switches.
Theres some reports that the default "sleep" timeout for GPS is 1 second. Apparently the Microsoft Intermediate Driver only updates every 1 second so it could just miss it and go to sleep!
Try changing registry entry to 2000 (milliseconds)...
HKLM->system->currentcontrolset->GPSIntermediate Driver->Drivers-> SleepOnNoData
Tirinoarim said:
Theres some reports that the default "sleep" timeout for GPS is 1 second. Apparently the Microsoft Intermediate Driver only updates every 1 second so it could just miss it and go to sleep!
Try changing registry entry to 2000 (milliseconds)...
HKLM->system->currentcontrolset->GPSIntermediate Driver->Drivers-> SleepOnNoData
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Already did it (currently set to 2500). But changes nothing (even after soft reset) : GPS keeps deconnecting/reconnecting as described (not every time; one in a while..).
Thanks anyways !
Just out of interest, do you have MobileJustice installed by any chance?
Absolutly not. Nor any software of this type, nor any software who can possibly take GPS in background..
I had the problem of TomTom getting satelites and then dropping them and saying it couldn't find the gps.
Disabling agps (quick gps) via advance config seemed to sort out the problem
AGPS is *not* quickGPS in my understanding. But this is unclear. For a proof, AGPS comes disabled by default, but quickGPS works out of the box. Can someone who knows for sure, precisely state if AGS and quickGPS are the same thing or not ?
I have disabled AGPS also with HD tweak (but quickGPS stills work..), and I have regulary (2 out of 3 times) this problem.
I had the same problem. Disabling the AGPS seems to have worked but I will wait for the data to expire before confirming.
The problem seems to be when I have poor GPS reception AND poor GSM. They seem to be calling upon each other for corrections but never resolve.
If this is the solution I will just rely on QuickGPS alone which has worked fine for years with TTN6.
Edit: I can now confirm disabling AGPS solved my problem.
had TTN7 running for a few days now.
Can't find the built in GPS. Having to set it to other Bluetooth GPS Receiver.
A bit hit and miss with signal / getting a fix.
I have turned off AGPS as well. Going to try out some of the settings you all have put up tomorrow.
AlexEv said:
had TTN7 running for a few days now.
Can't find the built in GPS. Having to set it to other Bluetooth GPS Receiver.
A bit hit and miss with signal / getting a fix.
I have turned off AGPS as well. Going to try out some of the settings you all have put up tomorrow.
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Working great ...
AGPS off - Using COM 4
Hi Forum,
I desperately need your help on this. I had installed a software called mapmyindia. It ran fine for like 20 days.Now yesterday it seems that it failed to lock on GPS. I can see that it has about 6 satellites visible but used is 0.
Now I thought this could be an issue with the software, removed it. trying to use it on Google Maps. It continuously hovers on seeking satellites(0).
I did a hard reset of the phone, no go.
Any help or assistance or pointers would be really really appreciated.
To be honest, I am little worried now that my GPS could be fried on the phone and will never be able to use it again
hallo,
try with Google Maps GPS Settings "manual", and enter "ComPort 4" "Baudrate 4800"
use QuickGps prior to accelerate search
HI, i tried the same and its not working.
Setting the manual entry on COM 4 with 4800 baud no luck.
even tried downloadingthe latest version of quick gps no luck.
Any tests that i can try would be very helpful.
try enabling A-GPS. that might help you too. as a summary:
1. run quick gps to download the satellites position.
2. Open google maps/Live maps
3. get a position with good radio signal (recommended open sky for the first time).
4. enable "use gps" in google maps/live maps.
5. wait around 30-45 seconds.
6. good luck.
i think this sometimes happen to me too.
Im using Garmin XT and sometimes it takes AGES to lock into position. Google maps sometimes takes ages too.
Using quickgps might be helpfull, also try to get a perfect clear sky. I seems to have trouble finding one when the sky is cloudy and such
Also, just wondering, is that COM 4 and 4800 baud the default setting for X1?
Hi everyone
I have recently updated to 1.56.405.1 ROM which also included Radio update to 1.13.25.24. However, I have noticed that my GPS no longer works on this ROM. in google maps, it shows "Seeking GPS satellites(0)" forever.(Com4 port for internal and none for external devices) I tries changing baud rate to different settings - 9600, 57000 etc, but even if I press "ok" after setting baud rate, somehow, it comes back to its original to 4800. How this happens ???? its really frustrating. My earlier ROM (1.19.xx) used to show GPS position using Googe maps.
Can any1 guide me how to make things work here?? Also, can some1 please post ideal GPS settings?
I know this will not be helpful, but I'm using Miri wm6.5 v9.2 which my gps locks on within 30 secs on TomTom, Memory-Map and Garmin. Google maps locks in quickly. I used the default settings (com 4) and all works fine.
The ideal GPS settings are default settings
Program port: COM4
Hardware port: none
Baud rate: 4800
Manage GPS automatically: checked
Any other settings of GPS you should set from GPS application.
Thanks guys...I'll try these and reply you back here. Please do read this thread after a couple of days.
default setting is baudrate:9600 isn't it?
No, read above, please
Can you actually change the baud rate? It reverts back to 4800 when you re-enter the settings, so I can't change it at all.
To,
the person above this post
same here dude !! earlier I could change in 1.19XX rom. but ever since I have flashed to 1.56, i'm facin this problem you've mentioned.
BTW, do you get GPS application working properly or same like mine?? [pls. read 1st post in this thread]
Regards
Ash
If you read up in the internet, you can read everywhere that the default value for the baudrate is 9600, so that the internal GPS receiver is demanded best of all in navigation software.
And you say it would be in 4800 now?
i have the same new stock rom and i have four working gps programs which all also lock to satellites within thirty seconds without ever seeing the settings yet along changing them :S are you guys sure this problem is not self inflected .. i wish i could help but i have no idea how..
the applications i use are route99, garmin, navNgo and another one which i forgot since i dont use that often.
koboltzz said:
If you read up in the internet, you can read everywhere that the default value for the baudrate is 9600, so that the internal GPS receiver is demanded best of all in navigation software.
And you say it would be in 4800 now?
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Not true.... i have done a lot of reading into this on various forums and settings can depend on radio's, roms, devices and software used. Also i am using 1.56 wwe and my default settings are 4800, com4, none hardware port, windows manage and my gps works fine, cold start about 20 secs, warm start up about 5 secs depending on location and weather conditions!
Conclusion, well i dont have one yet, i am trying to compile a list of typical settings device specific but it is fairly obvious that there are a lots various circumstances
For those interested in whys and hows heres some bedtime reading for starters:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363431
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375959&page=6
http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&...WDx9c&boostcse=0&q=gps+settings&start=40&sa=N
What I've noticed on 1.56.401.0 WWE ROM is that GPS fix with Garmin Mobile XT is much faster, but the icon on Garmin "home" screen shows as no signal. I can navigate as before, maybe even better, just this funny thing with signal indicator... Any1 else with this issue?
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Hi everyone
I have recently updated to 1.56.405.1 ROM which also included Radio update to 1.13.25.24. However, I have noticed that my GPS no longer works on this ROM. in google maps, it shows "Seeking GPS satellites(0)" forever.(Com4 port for internal and none for external devices) I tries changing baud rate to different settings - 9600, 57000 etc, but even if I press "ok" after setting baud rate, somehow, it comes back to its original to 4800. How this happens ???? its really frustrating. My earlier ROM (1.19.xx) used to show GPS position using Googe maps.
Can any1 guide me how to make things work here?? Also, can some1 please post ideal GPS settings?
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Hello ash3012,
I'm having the exact same problem, can u please tell me how did u resolve the issue?
thanks
Hi,
I have no GPS signal with my Touch Diamond 2. But I don't have TomTom, IGo or something else. I just want to get the GPS signal to use in QuickGPS. But there is no signal at all. Does anyone know why?
And where can I configure the internal GPS antenna? Is that possible?
For testing I downloaded and installed odgps (outdoor gps), but it get's also no signal. In odgps I have configured COM4 with Baudrate 4800. But no signal. Does anyone know how I have to configure GPS programs to get them work (as said, I cannot find a screen to get or set the configuration of the internal GPS antenna).
Could a hard reset help (as for the old Touch Diamond)? I would like to avoid that due to the destruction of the data...
I have also posted this in another Thread but I guess I was on a wrong one...
Thanks in advance for your help and best regards,
B.
Did you try Google Maps with "Use GPS" function... Default settings find satellites, even indoor areas..
Yes I did. It worked after switching it off an on again. Now I got GPS with google maps. First goal is achieved. Thanks for this tip.
But: Does anyone know how to retrieve the configuration of my internal GPS device. I have to configure it in another application (odgps), but I don't get it to work (com4/4800 or com4/9600 or com3/4800 and some other config data is all wrong): Odgps gets no signal.
Thanks for tips and hints.
hi,
Same problem as Brummerowski here.
my TD2 shows my location on google maps.
but when ever i try to seek a GPS Satellite on google maps or Garmin it keeps on searching without a result.
thanks for your assistance
This same problem keeps on cropping up with the TD2. Some users never seem to have problems, others do (I'm one of those) and there have been countless suggestions to (try to) sort it out.
On my TD2, Google Maps won't start the GPS module any more (it used to) and I use another very simple app http://freewareppc.com/travel/wmminigps.shtml to start it manually before using Google Maps. This seems reliable so far.
Gps setting for google maps with d2
I was able to use GPS with Google maps, by setting gps options by choosing COM4 and baud rate from 4800 to 57600.
I have never been able to fix on any satellites using google maps, and been waiting up to 10 minutes to just find two or three sats.
Solved by running third-party gps apps, like Beelinegps, or GPS Config. For some reason they are able to get a fix in under 30 seconds indoors. Then I just switch to google maps and it shows my position instantly.
Hi all,
I didnt want to start a new thread, but after searching the forums and google for a long time, i decided to bring it up
So ive had my HD2 for about 2 days now, and I recently installed GarminXT (I used to have it on my Nokia N82)
the problem i'm finding is that the GPS doesnt lock as fast as i thought it would be..
GarminXT has not been locking on (little over 5 minutes now)
I'm a noob to Windows Mobile and HTC so please bear with me!
1. How do i know A-GPS is working? Is it automatically enabled? (This wasnt the case for Nokia as you could manually turn off A-GPS and use strictly GPS signal). Under Location settings i have "Location Service Settings" = ON
and HTC Location Service = ON
2. Im still not 100% sure what QuickGPS does. I've read about it , but all i concluded was that it uses your data to get a faster GPS lock.
So i tried running QuickGPS and it updates no problem.
I open GarminXT and it doesnt lock on. Do i need to use this?
3. Can someone tell me if these are the optimal GPS settings? I kept searching around the forum but cant find one specific to the HD2.
So under "All Settings" > System > External GPS
Programs Tab > GPS Program Port = COM4
Hardware Tab > GPS Hardware Port = None > Baud rate = 4800
Access Tab > Managa GPS Auto = Checked
Are these settings correct? Or are there "tweaks" to it that I can change?
4. One last question:
Under GarminXT, i have the ability to choose 3 GPS options:
"Use Bluetooth GPS"
"Use GPS Intermediate Driver" = Checked
"Use Serial GPS" > Once selected, i get 4 other options to choose:
COM1: Bluetooth Serial Port
COM2: Bluetooth Serial Port
COM4: COM4:
COM9: 7500 COM port
Does anyone know if i should be checked on "Use GPS Intermediate Driver" or if i should be checking off "Serial GPS" > COM 4?
This is my first WinMo device with a data plan (I'm on EDGE speeds cause I'm in Canada), but I always had the impression AGPS would really help the lock times.
Anyone with help would be GREATLY appreciated!
Again, loving the new HD2
Thanks
For GarminXT, use intermediate driver.
For Google maps, use Com4, 4800 rate, that enables use of the compass.
Quick GPS should increase startup, and so far I had all fixes on HD2 under 30 seconds, and I did not change anything.
Normally GPS would download information about orbits of satellites from the satellites. That can take time, as it is one way communication and GPS can't ask satellite to send data again in case of error, it must wait untill the satellite starts sending them again by itself.
It is much faster to get that data via network .. and that is exactly what QuickGPS is for. Problem is that at least on my previous X1 there were many problems with it. The data from network was sometimes completely wrong, and you had to delete the file manually. That information is in temp\xtra.bin. Try to delete it and try again. QuickGPS does not test existence of the file, it will download new one in predefined time.
I'm still a bit confused about aGPS. I'm not sure what it is. Some people state it is the same thing as QuickGPS. Some say it is something to get quick basic fix based on BTS. But I haven't seen that in any application, except Google maps, and they seem to use their own technology and data for that.
But AFAIK, those 'location services' is generally Google's 'my location' exposed for other HTC applications.
I set it on max rate, do i do a mistake? I think that this is setting the speed or Im wrong?! Im connecting with sattelites below 15sec, with no other tweaks or quickgps...
^^
what's "max rate"?
btw, thanks for the replies
i'll look into deleting the cache file for QuickGPS and see if it does anything
Quick GPS allows you to download a weeks worth of GPS satellite position data (almanac data) at one time, helpful if for example you don't have a data plan - you can get your A-GPS data in one hit over WiFi. It helps speed lock time.
Not sure what is happening with yours, mine always locks in Garmin within 7-15 seconds, I have Quick GPS set to autoupdate, but otherwise no special tweaks or modifications where GPS is concerned.
Same here - in fact, the HD2's locking faster to GPS than my Touch HD ever did. I'm getting locks in the garage now whereas before I had none with my Touch HD. Haven't touched the default WM GPS settings or the Garmin one at all since I upgraded to the HD2.
GPs lover-Google map hater
Hi guys, firstly thanks for this thread as i too look for answer...and find some only here
i had the Diamond and now the HD2 and share the love.
Garmin maps are much more accurate and have even the smallest unpaved roads which Google map lacks. Google is so basic maps, i simply hate it...sorry Google...not to mention that it cost money to be online all the time
HD2 GPS confuse me. Sorry if I ask u basic staff but could not figure it up myself:
1. using the GPS w/google map, how u set simple setting, as: "north up" or ""track up" Route setting such as "faster time" or any other basic settings that I always had on my Garmin GPS including Garmin mobile XT?
2. What happend to voice navigation wiith google?
3. Reading your info, does it means that I can install Garmin mobile XT I got with Diamond on HD2 ?
4. Anybody know TomTom for HD2 (which I will get shotly from HTC?
I trust someone out here is smarter than me and will come to rescue
hey guys,
my HD2 is fine now, usually i just do a QuickGPS connect before opening Garmin XT and now it connects SUPER fast...usually under 10 seconds
Thanks for all the help!!
Google is not, and does not set out to be a full satellite navigation prpgram, so it doesn't have stuff such as 'North Up', 'Track Up' etc, nor does it have spoken directions.
For these you need a dedicated SatNav program like Garmin, TomTom, CoPilot or iGO8 which are all 'paid-for' applications.
TomTom will run fine but TomTom don't officially support it, meaning you can't download the correct vesion direct from their website. There are easy ways around this though!
With regard to some of the earlier posts- the HD2 can aquire a fix faster than any other device I've used (and I've used a lot!). I find QuickGPS makes very little difference, but as it uses only a small amaount of data I keep it updated.
QuickGPS and A-GPS are not the same thing, though there are quite a few different definitions of A-GPS. Genuine A-GPS is not used in UK, nor as far as I know anywhere else in Europe except by dedicated programs and platforms set up with the infrastructure (such as Apple, who use it to enhance the poor performance of the iPhone's GPS chip). It is used in the Far East, and works by enhancing your accuracy of positioning by using the data channels to send your current cell ID plus any other availble stuff like WiFi hotspot info, which is correlated to a database of locations, and sent back as an approximate position to the phone. Google Maps uses something like this if a GPS signal is not available- the 'Locate Me' feature will show you in a radius of around 1km.
The Baud rate makes no ostensible difference to the lock times or accuracy, as the data stream from the satellites is far lower than even the lowest baud rate. The NMEA default is 4800, and most software is happy to connect at that rate.
The google maps GPS finds me within 80 metres.. that's not accurate right? cause it puts it on wrong street technically.. When I first got it it did 800 metres =/
WOW, that was fast, thank you NeilM.
I will get Tomtom for free from HTC as it is included with Thai purchaded HD2.
Meanwhile I will try to load Garmin XT that I got with My Diamond at the time, let's see if the activation works...
As for Goole, well, I get 60 meter accuracy at the best, that make ones totaly lost in a city and for sure miss a turn, what a pity.
Thanks again for ever so fast reply.
When Google Maps is started it is finding your position throught the carrier's network and that is why it is not acurate at all. There is an option however, named "Use the GPS" in goolge maps and it becomes as acurate as any other navigation software It just have to engage an GPS lock as the others so do not blame google on this one Hence, you are not using the GPS when you get the inacurate positioning For the maps however you still have to be online But if you pay for your Garmin, iGo maps it would be that expensive and you can use it wherever you are ...
You absolutly right. i did use the "use gps" and it's accurate. The thing is that as heavy GPS user the lack of detailed info on google maps, and the inability to set the maps at your convinient (such as "track up" for example) it's nearly a secure way to go crazy while nevigating, specially off road...try to tilt your head to understand your position in real time when you turning and turning. Thanks for the gps tip.
I agree. Curent version of Google Maps is not suitable for navigation while driving indeed! It can help you get orientated sometimes or if you are looking for something big iGo and Garmin are in a whole new league of navigation sofware for now. However, the new version of Google Maps should be at least as good as the others but it is only available for Android at the moment and I dont see it coming to WM any time soon so we will have to stick to iGo, Garmin, TomTom and the others. I'm not using Google Maps for navigation at all by the way so It wouldn't be so difficult for me )
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the new version of Google Maps should be at least as good as the others but it is only available for Android at the moment and I dont see it coming to WM
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It's called google navigation, not google maps - and it seems to kill every GPS program available today (thank god).
hey guys,
on the same topic, but different nav software. i use iGO 8, can someone please tell me what the optimal setting are for port and baud rate? i did the auto-detect and the signal is a little on/off.
also... is there a way to get iGO 8 to use the HD2s compass? i like the stand-alone compass of the HD2, but i think it would be swell to be able to have iGO's compass function working aswell.
sorry if this has been discussed before, if there is another thread i should be reading... please direct me there.
thanks for all your help.
cheers.
conscept said:
The google maps GPS finds me within 80 metres.. that's not accurate right? cause it puts it on wrong street technically.. When I first got it it did 800 metres =/
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Eh, if I'm not wrong, that's agps at work.
It'll find you with the nearest base station. then slowly try to triangulate you. Normally, you'll be in an area with only 1 base station, so there's not much triangulation going on.
When I'm in city, it's pretty accurate. I get my approx distance within a couple of seconds, wait another 10 - 20 secs to get gps fix.
A-Gps and other things
A-GPS is just one thing: Assisted GPS. It is a toggle-- when you toggle it on, in your phone's settings, you will get the locational assistance of the cell towers. That is the towers them selves, two or more towers and your phone triangulate to give an approximation of your location. GPS also uses triangulation (derived from simple trigonometry equations) to determine your location and is much more accurate. In fact it can be ever more accurate as your device locks onto more satellites. I have found that the best thing to do is to turn off A-GPS. I don't know what it is but Googlemaps seems to have a terrible time locking onto satellites on Windows Mobile. But I have found, especially on Android 1.6 and above you get very rapid locks so long as you wipe out the telenav program. I strongly suspect that Google is undermining Windows Mobile in favor of supporting their Android system. They have turn by turn for Android but not for Windows Mobile and it seems like they are also building it not to lock sats nearly as well. You can force it to get moving by pre opening the GPS or other methods just prior to running google maps.
I think everyone should write google and tell them to fully support Windows Mobile (Phone)... T-Mobile is just about set to come out with the HTC HD2 in about a week (March 24th) and I intend to get one. I am not happy that it doesn't have a physical keyboard cloned from the Touch Pro 2, but I expect to like most of the rest of it.
Turning Location on is another thing. You are henceforth allowing all applications to know and your location. this can be helpful but it can also be a potential privacy risk. Of course it's easy to turn off and on. You might want to read the fine print.
Actually, I have a more basic question. Is there a soft "switch" or software application to actually turn the GPS on? On my HD2 I have a few GPS apps and all of them report the GPS being on or "no GPS Device found". Even Goggle maps, if I siwtch to USE GPS mode, keeps endlessly waiting for a GPS signal and then nothing happens. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks much
Gps htc hd2
In my experience with windows mobiles and internal gps, manage gps automatically is best and no ports should be assigned at all unless using bluetooth gps receiver! Also, sounds crazy too many but no every location on this big earth is withing available to public gps devices gps satelite paths (satelites going around the earth!) Make sure your outside the house or flat before thinking your gps ain't picking up. My hd2 is fast, my old mda3 was too and worked better inside but thats down to i was living in a different location at the time and at an higher altitude i would say. 1 of many other reasons could be that the military could be using the sat at the time which would render it unavail to public (offline)!