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New HTC Product ....

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/27/htc_unveils_windows_vista_shift/

another link with a pic ...
http://www.america.htc.com/products/shift/default.html

They've been out for a while now, other names are T-Mobile Ameo/HTC Athena/HTC Advantage/Dopod U1000. They're selling like hotcakes on ebay and I couldn't resist, so I ordered 3

It's a LOT better than an Athena ST
I am hooked...

SpyderTracks said:
They've been out for a while now, other names are T-Mobile Ameo/HTC Athena/HTC Advantage/Dopod U1000. They're selling like hotcakes on ebay and I couldn't resist, so I ordered 3
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Nope its different to the Athena, its 19cm long, so a bit big for even the biggest pocket.

the shift looks awesome!
i want to see some spec though. i wonder how you hold it to your face
when you';re ,making a call.. since it's the size of two stacked dvd cases.
imagine it was smaller than the universal.. with all the same features.
i'd crap in every pair of pants i had.

SpyderTracks said:
They've been out for a while now, other names are T-Mobile Ameo/HTC Athena/HTC Advantage/Dopod U1000. They're selling like hotcakes on ebay and I couldn't resist, so I ordered 3
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The Athena is the replacement for the Universal, i.e. it uses Windows Mobile.
This one uses Windows Vista!!!
What a dream-machine...
Would be interesting to know:
a) price
b) how long the battery lasts
Cheers,
vma

Yet again, I didn't read the thread properly... apologies! Man that's a bit of hardware!!!

Hi Guys
Been reading various threads on your wonderful site now for a few months, finaly got around to registering. Just wanted to say "wow" with regard to the HTC "Shift". I know what I want for Chistmas.
In the meantime, got myself an Ameo last week - so far so good, although only managing to get about 24hrs battery life on light usage! Stil, the HSDPA rocks, providing you can slap t-mob into giving it to you for free as their t+c's stink!
Cheers

IMO, it will be running 2 OSes, namely, WM and Vista(yep, a dual boot device). Its specs says that it has 64MB RAM(probably for WM)+1GB RAM(for Vista).
Also, it has 128MB ROM(again, probably for WM)+30GB(for vista)

kdskamal said:
IMO, it will be running 2 OSes, namely, WM and Vista(yep, a dual boot device). Its specs says that it has 64MB RAM(probably for WM)+1GB RAM(for Vista).
Also, it has 128MB ROM(again, probably for WM)+30GB(for vista)
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dual boot wouldn't be practical.
i'm sure the wmobile aspect is integrated. hopefully you can use a mouse with it, if it's as powerful as a computer at that size this thing's amazing.
and... PUNJABI!!!!

dutchschultz said:
dual boot wouldn't be practical.
i'm sure the wmobile aspect is integrated. hopefully you can use a mouse with it, if it's as powerful as a computer at that size this thing's amazing.
and... PUNJABI!!!!
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Well, thats what the specs says ATM. AFA using mouse with it is concerned, you can use a BT mouse with any PPC with BT radio.
And, 'PUNJABI' for what dude?

with a name like kamaldeep singh
i figured you were punjabi.
i am too. PUNJABI! say it loud say it proud!

Best Alternative to iPhone? Suggestions welcome..

Hi All,
I gave up my Dopod 818 Pro to get an iPhone. But was not happy about the voice dialing, restrictive software etc...etc.. anyways, got rid of the iPhone and looking to buy another HTC product with more friendly Windows product - should I go for Touch HD? How is the call quality? I have been reading in the reviews that the call quality is poor - any cooked ROM or app to increase the call quality? Any other alternatives?
I kind of like the bigger screen face (3.8"), I like to have good call quality and easy to access features? I like the Microsoft Calendar etc, Voice Tagging and voice dialing, file explorer and be able to see what exactly is stored in the phone and not just a black box. I like to press my bluetooth headset and tell it "Call Home" and let it dial rather than fumbling around with the phone when driving. Any recommendations welcome?
Have a great weekend!
Brenda

Have you tried a JAILBROKEN iPhone? I have not researched much into Bluetooth voice dialing yet myself. Have you tried to find out if firmware 3.0 offers what you need?
Anyway, if I'm you I would try to be more thorough in listing my requirements before looking for the new phone. There are a lot of other considerations I'm sure beyond Bluetooth voice dialing.

Hi Steve
Thanks for the reply... I tried the jailbroken iPhone, don't get me wrong it is pretty good but still too much restrictive software - I hate iTunes.. one of the least intuitive programs, wiped out the song collection quite a few times..the jailbroken one gave me cydia and installer...still too cumbersome...
My requirements are:
Atleast 3.2" Touch screen
SMS capability
Microsoft Windows - Calenday, Contacts & Sync with outlook
Voice dialing
Blue Tooth
Good call quality
Play mp3
Enough memory to operate well - I had to clear the memory quite often on the Dopod 818
Ability to browse the web to read yahoo / gmail emails and get some stcok quotes
I am not too keen on camera, I will carry separate one for that
Thanks
Brenda

Brenda_Sheldon said:
Thanks for the reply... I tried the jailbroken iPhone, don't get me wrong it is pretty good but still too much restrictive software - I hate iTunes.. one of the least intuitive programs, wiped out the song collection quite a few times..the jailbroken one gave me cydia and installer...still too cumbersome...
My requirements are:
Atleast 3.2" Touch screen
SMS capability
Microsoft Windows - Calenday, Contacts & Sync with outlook
Voice dialing
Blue Tooth
Good call quality
Play mp3
Enough memory to operate well - I had to clear the memory quite often on the Dopod 818
Ability to browse the web to read yahoo / gmail emails and get some stcok quotes
I am not too keen on camera, I will carry separate one for that
Thanks
Brenda
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If bluetooth voice dialing is high up on your list, and you do not seem to have lots of functional requirements here, I think most of the HTC phones will meet your needs, including HD. But, you know the usual window mobile problems I guess. I would also take a look at HTC Magic and Nokia if your requirements are only those. Current iPhone is weak in bluetooth. Not sure about in firmware 3.0 despite all the speculation.
HTC Magic actually caught my attention and I really want to play with it. I got the impression that it also has multitouch screen like iPhone's. I hope it is as fast, stable, and smooth as iPhone. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to find a Telco shop in Sydney that has a demo unit (most just have a dummy). If anyone knows how I explore this alternative phone in Sydney please let me know.

Brenda_Sheldon said:
Hi All,
Any recommendations welcome?
Have a great weekend!
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What is Iphone?
You are in the right thread already...so get yourself a Blackstone

HTC lova said:
...get yourself a Blackstone
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Why buy a phone about to be phased out? If you love HTC phone and have a brand new chance to buy one now, would you not consider Touch Pro 2 and Touch Diamond 2 at least? If nothing else, you get newer ROM that can zoom properly, and not like cooked ROMs ported to HD that can't do proper zooming due to hardware differences.
Or even TG01, with the much more powerful processor?
Or HTC Magic, with it's iPhone like touch screen?

eaglesteve said:
Why buy a phone about to be phased out? If you love HTC phone and have a brand new chance to buy one now, would you not consider Touch Pro 2 and Touch Diamond 2 at least?
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Why buying a new overpriced device with smaller screen / "communicator" keyboard? defeats the purpose of having a touch phone

HTC lova said:
Why buying a new overpriced device with smaller screen / "communicator" keyboard? defeats the purpose of having a touch phone
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I always believe that every user should comprehensively list down what are important to that person, and the list differs from person to person. While I like big screen like you (which was why I still own an Athena), not everyone agrees on what constitute adequate screen size. So, 3.2 inch mentioned by Brenda is small for you and me, but she does not see it as important.
Brenda, I think it pays also to find out the firmware upgrade policy on HTC magic and see if future Android OS would be given to you free of charge. It is sad to see HTC users having to keep paying for new phone over and over again in order to get the most updated ROM. I would take this aspect into account in addition to your listed considerations.

eaglesteve said:
I always believe that every user should comprehensively list down what are important to that person, and the list differs from person to person. While I like big screen like you (which was why I still own an Athena), not everyone agrees on what constitute adequate screen size. So, 3.2 inch mentioned by Brenda is small for you and me, but she does not see it as important.
Brenda, I think it pays also to find out the firmware upgrade policy on HTC magic and see if future Android OS would be given to you free of charge. It is sad to see HTC users having to keep paying for new phone over and over again in order to get the most updated ROM. I would take this aspect into account in addition to your listed considerations.
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I totally agree mate. Brenda asked for suggestions and I stated mine (which is the Blackstone)

I have the HD, but at this point in time...you should look at the newer HTC ppc's Touch Pro 2 or Touch Diamond 2

Does Touch Diamond2 come with voice dialing?
Hi Steve and HTC Lova,
I seriously looked in to Diamond2 especially the call quality was rated high - but I then I read some review that it does not support voice dialing. If that's the case then I have to rule it out unless there is a voice cab that can be easily loaded and activated.
Is the Touch Pro2 kind of heavy - 178 gm compared to Diamond2's 117 gm or Touch HD's 146 gm?
I am not sure about the HTC Magic - android - especially if I have to pay for firmware..
Will wait to hear from you guys on the Diamond2 voice dial cab.
Thanks
Brenda

Brenda,
You can always install microsoft voice command by yourself.

Good to know....
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the fast reply...How good is the Microsoft voice software? Have you used it? In my previous Dopod 818, I installed a voice cab file and thought it was better than any thing else..I am not sure where I got the voice.cab file from.
Is it similar to Dopod to flash similar cab files in Diamond2?
Thanks again.
Brenda

Brenda_Sheldon said:
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the fast reply...How good is the Microsoft voice software? Have you used it? In my previous Dopod 818, I installed a voice cab file and thought it was better than any thing else..I am not sure where I got the voice.cab file from.
Is it similar to Dopod to flash similar cab files in Diamond2?
Thanks again.
Brenda
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I have tried both cyberon voice commander and microsoft voice command. None works for me because I can't speak with American or British accent I guess. It is so inaccurate and frustrating that I gave up quickly years ago. I always prefer speed dial button style of calling. When I flash cooked ROMs, I always choose the version that does not do voice dial.

just got $100 ticket for having iPhone in the hand...
Steve,
I just got a $100 ticket for picking up the iPhone, that made my decision to get rid of that... I had pretty good connection between the dopod 818 and the headset, but gave away the dopod to a friend...regret that...
I am going to look in to Diamond2 more and make the decision soon - seems light enough, as long as i can read occasional yahoo mail and send my son sms, it will be good.. I liked the iPhone's big screen and quick response but the non-windows application drove me nuts...
I did take a look at TG01...not sure where to get it and more importantly the price..looks like it may be exorbidant.
Thanks for the inputs..
Brenda

Brenda,
Another iPhone alternative that caught my eye is Palm Pre. The user interface is also fantastic, very similar to iPhone in some ways. Here are some video demo
http://gizmodo.com/5126752/palm-pre-full-video-tours
This is Palm's version of WM7, so is definitely worth taking a close look.
Has an incredible browser that should be a good match for Safari. See here:
http://palmgoon.com/meet-the-web-browser-on-the-pre/
Apparently, the palm pre browser handles flash!
I have not gone deep enough into it and researched enough to say if if it good or not. Just as a potential candidate for evaluation I think it qualifies. In case I'm starting to sound like a Palm fanboy, I assure everyone that I'm still a winmo and iPhone fanboy in and out
Hack, when you got a chance to buy a new phone, with so many new candidates on the market, why not keep our mind completely open once again? The bar has been lifted higher and higher each year. Why choose a device based on very low expectation and standard?
The most important area to research IMO is what sorts of third party software could be found and their quality. If it has an apple store equivalent, then I think it would be extremely attractive. If anyone here can speed up our learning process in this area I'd greatly appreciate it. I like to know if I can run the like of TomTom, iGO, etc on Palm Pre, or if it has a credible GPS software of its own. I also have lots of other questions like if an MS Offfice compatible spreadsheet exist, any good Golf Score/Handicapping software, quality of video capture and playing software, quality of camera, ease of downloading movies/MP3 etc, likes of eWallet type software, likes of Cash Organiser Premium type software, etc etc. I'm also interesting in seeing the "file structure"/file coying/file moving/file renaming features. I want to make sure that it is not just a phone, but a computer. Can someone help?
I could'nt find definite anwer to your question on whether it can do voice dialing over bluetooth, but here is a thread that you can follow:
http://forum.treonauts.com/palm-sma...l-pre-allow-voice-dialing-over-bluetooth.html
Cheers.

galaxys said:
I have the HD, but at this point in time...you should look at the newer HTC ppc's Touch Pro 2 or Touch Diamond 2
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If you don't need a bigger screen, the Touch Diamond2 is a great phone. If you need a bigger screen like the HD, then the upcoming Firestone might be worth waiting for http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_2009_roadmap_gets_updated_now_weve_got_the_specs-news-821.php
If you need a keyboard, then the Touch Pro2 might be what you need.
I have an HD with my eye on the Firestone.

Matterhorn said:
If you need a keyboard, then the Touch Pro2 might be what you need.
I have an HD with my eye on the Firestone.
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Definately the Firestone is on my list for an upgrade when it shows up in Oct. or Nov.! But, I'll be playing with the TP2 w/ 3G on t-mobile USA!!

I'm curious to see what the battery life is going to be like on the Toshiba Tg01, i'm a little disenfranchised with HTC's incremental (if that much) upgrades.
The Tg01 seems much snappier and seems to have really good graphics performance, which is more than we can say for the last couple HTC iterations.
The only thing remaining for me to find out, is the battery life, and if there is any hope for a US operator to take it up...OR...another market that uses US 3g bands.

hmm. i dont know about rushing for firestone. i think hd will be great phone for long time. it has got nice hardware and maybe it will run android or wm7.

Anyone has a WORKING capacitive stylus ?

Where did you buy that???
I need one for my excel editing..
Anyone has a better way ?
thanks

There is an official HTC one available soon, fresh news about it came a few days back (try places like devicewire/clove/expansys). Its not the really nice (normal) looking stylus that HTC put in a patent for, but it is officially endorsed.
EDIT: Apparently Devicewire has it listed with a release date of Feb 15th

Hi. I bought a pack of two from eBay for £13ish. They are made by DAGi and the seller is "base327111" (which I think are DAGi themselves). The stylus seems to look identical to the HTC version. With my limited use of the HD2 so far it seems to work OK.

I also bought the DAGi one. It can be used, but honestly, not so handy. I prefer using my finger, more accurate.

the last emperor? motorola ES400, the best wm6.5 device

purchased motorola es400. truly happy with this device, do think it's the greatest wm6 device with fantastic usability.
pros:
1. qwerty keyboard is easy to press, even better than any blackberry keyboard
2. 3.0 VGA tft screen: high brightness, clear display
3. perfect size to fit your hands, rugged phone, rubber frame give you best feeling
4. 1500mah standard battery + 3000 mah extended battery, a gigantic power house. so no worry about battery
cons:
1. wm6.5(hope it'd be a android one)
2. system needs to be more optimized, it took 5 to 6 seconds to shoot a picture after you press camara button!!

came more pictures.
1 more cons: 2.5mm headset jack

more pictures....................

Looks like that came from the Symbol line of devices. Lots of retailers use the MC-70 and related devices for inventory work and more. Very good devices for that type of work, but way to big and bulky for average use.
When Motorola bought out Symbol they started make a line that was more slim and trim in the hopes of getting executives/manager to adopt them. They'd not only be able to perform the inventory type jobs but also work as the default cellphone for the individual.
They are very rugged and well built devices. They can take a LOT of abuse and still function. If I recall the OS has also been "ruggedized." What I mean is that they sort of strip out some of the more advance, high end stuff that is more likely to cause incompatibility and/or crashes. I know this is true of some of Symbol's earlier devices. I don't know if it's true with the Motorola stuff... especially if they wanted execs to use these I doubt they would have done too much to 'em.
Great devices for Field Work, but I don't know they're usually not cutting edge tech or the most feature packed machines.

You've got Windows EH 6.5 on this right ? What build number do you see on it ? Just curious

Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
At least for me

orb3000 said:
Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
At least for me
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Add me to this. Leo is already Legendary.

Can anybody with this device upload dumped ROM?

Hello
i need a german Rom for this device!
Can anybody help

Hi,
Try following link, it should offer you a download link with when you provide your device's SN
http://support.symbol.com/support/s...eId=&dialogID=216462608&stateId=1 0 216464033

As mentioned above, these devices are really designed for data capture work in the business arena. Just the job, for barcode reading, warehouse pick list instructions, utility company meter reading, in the field survey response capture, customer order capture, etc. etc, but for personal phone use, it is a bit of a heavyweight.
Having said that, if you make a habit of dropping your phone down the WC, quite a common method of trashing it by all accounts, such a purchase could be a very good investment. It will survive that sort of thing time after time. You will have to give it some really serious abuse in order to break it.
This is where Microsoft is taking the CE/Mobile/Embedded platform.
Windows Phone 7 is now purely a consumer product.

..if it had DPAD and wm6.1...
sigh.
what's the cost of this, btw?
any kitchens available?

Regarding the cost, they're not cheap, but then again you get what you pay for.
Here in the UK they start at just over £400.

thank you buddy, nice work

mrteii, have you tried to shoot a photo at night using the flashlight? the light is distributed also into lens, making an ugly white arc at the bottom of the picture. anyway, the PenTile display is very nice. i'm currently using this device alongside with mc75a, which i like much more

On Sprint in the USA, the Touch Pro 2 is the best Windows Mobile device. I would get a Leo/HD2 if I was on T-Mobile.

Anyone one could get this ES400 rom ?

orb3000 said:
Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
At least for me
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Also think that! Proud leo owner here!

Ev0luti0n_ said:
Also think that! Proud leo owner here!
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go away..
sheesh.

I just received this device off ebay several days ago, brand new, unbranded and it came with the extended battery. I've added a PNY 32GB class 10 microsd card and activated it with an at&t gophone plan. I'm getting the H data symbol up top so it looks like I'm connecting at 3.5G speeds and so far so good! It's quite beastly in size but I love the display and the keyboard! I hope they release an updated model in Android/WP7 form, but I kinda like how it feels like a computer on a phone. It's my first WM phone, my previous phone was a Palm Pre.

[Q] Sliding BT Keyboard for S5

I still use a Motorola Droid 4, because I need the keyboard. I really do RDP (remote desktop) and do other complex tasks on my phone. There were sliding bluetooth keyboards for the S4 such as the OXA; is there anything like this for the S5?

Been searching myself for weeks and still haven't found one.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Ultra-thin-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Case-for_1609666082.html
http://www.laptopaccessoriessupplie...ccessories_for_samsung_galaxy_s5-2055577.html
http://www.cellsupermall.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4386
I don't know if this is helpful. But these are some products I found when I googled a little bit. I am especially interested in the magnetic keyboards, as they wouldn't make the phone much bigger. But...it seems the min order quantity is 100 pieces??? Hmm

AliliBaba is a distribution aggregator, sort of like eBay for companies. So no dice there. The others don't have any available. But perhaps soon.

Wotta said:
I still use a Motorola Droid 4, because I need the keyboard. I really do RDP (remote desktop) and do other complex tasks on my phone. There were sliding bluetooth keyboards for the S4 such as the OXA; is there anything like this for the S5?
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Michael_P said:
Been searching myself for weeks and still haven't found one.
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Maybe this one
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/For-...rd-Slide-Keypads-with-Floding/1709591855.html
Best regards
Franky

I am dying to find a sliding keyboard case for my S5. I have never liked the keyboard on a touch screen for any device and miss my Droid 4 dearly. I have been searching for about three hours tonight and the only ones that I have found are either bulk order or pre-order from shady websites.
Update:
Found this one on Alibaba for minimum quantity of one, I think i'm gonna get it:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Aluminum-sliding-bluetooth-keyboard-case-for_1854419600.html
I went ahead and purchased one. Looks kinda bulky but I figured what the hell, why not give it a try. If every thing goes right I should have it by the end of next week. I will post my thoughts about it when I receive it and use it for a couple of hours.