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Hi all,
I've been posting in a couple of other furms about a phone for my GF (I'm currently running a touch HD, - previously a TP, a dimaond, and an Orbit)
I've pretty much settled on the touch 3G for her, but the lack of posts about this phone worries me a little. Is it not a popular phone? it seems to do everything you could ask of a phone (touchscreen, built in GPS, camera) and she likes the size etc.
why does it not seem so popular?
thanks
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I think that the problem of the jade is the small dimension,that in this moment the people don't like.
The people like a "big" dimension (Hd and iphone stile).
It is the best PDA phone I have ever had. (With a new LITE ROM )
I think that it is not so popular because people who would like it bought Diamond or another nice PDA phone just a few months ago. They do not need the new one, especially when it has the same "power" .
I upgraded from Artemis, so the change was worth for me.
I think Jade is mid-entry PDA and it have nothing special e.g. big sceen, good camera, hi quality sound
So people may pick the cheaper one or the rich feature one.
But I really love my Jade, it very suit to me.
I love my Jade too
I have no regret in buying this phone, and after almost 3 months of owning one, still busy customizing my Jade.
I thing that there are not many posts, because in PPC forums discuss usually people whose understand to PocketPCs. Those people usually buy something better than Jade. Touch 3G is really mainstream. It's for everyone.
And maybe it's so good that it hasn't so many problems which than couldn't be discused on forums
I have one for about 3 weeks and I'm really satisfied with it. For it's price it's really good (I'm student so I haven't money on something like Touch HD)
It's simple: The HTC Touch 3G is _not_ being sold in the USA.
twisted-pixel said:
Hi all,
I've been posting in a couple of other furms about a phone for my GF (I'm currently running a touch HD, - previously a TP, a dimaond, and an Orbit)
I've pretty much settled on the touch 3G for her, but the lack of posts about this phone worries me a little. Is it not a popular phone? it seems to do everything you could ask of a phone (touchscreen, built in GPS, camera) and she likes the size etc. why does it not seem so popular? thanks
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Just buy it for her. She'll love it. This is the most VFM pda phone on the market... and the most cute looking.
I'm also having one and I'm absolutely happy with it. What was attracting me was the small size, the design but still having all the nice features...
well, it's here!!
I will spend sometime setting it up for her and installing all the apps I put on the Orbit for her, it actually looks pretty good. Small and need with a decent screen so hopefully she'll love it.
Trying to find a pink skin for it at the mo. Skinit.com have great features and allow you to design your own skin, but they don't support the touch 3G.
Might have to stick with a silicone case for her, not quite as nice but should do the trick.
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Trying to find a pink skin for it at the mo. Skinit.com have great features and allow you to design your own skin, but they don't support the touch 3G.
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There are at least 2 pink skins...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=451702
Congratulations on making the right decision! Please tell here to enjoy it! It's a great phone! Cheers!
sorry, when I said Skin, I meant a case...
a bit like www.skinit.com, but they don't do the 3G model
I think the main drawback of touch 3G when compared with touch HD is HD has a built-in G sensor, this makes HD can compete with iPhone.
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why does it not seem so popular?
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I am not sure, WinMo is something that doesn't appeal to everyone, most people prefer the likes of Nokia or the iPhone. MinMo is more attractive for geeks/people that need office on the move, and a lot of that audience will be attracted by the more powerful larger devices.
For me however I don't want to be carrying around a brick, the 3G is small, unobtrusive and does as much as I need as any WinMo device does.
If you could have your money back, would you take it? Or would you keep your HD?
I'm considering a purchase.
Thanks!
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Sorry for being unclear. The last Poll choice should read, "No way I would give it back. I couldn't be happier"
No doubt, the Touch HD is the best phone I've ever had! Nothing else on the market compares (in my opinion). The design, the features and the performance all kick a$$!
Thanks Derrick. I'm especially glad to hear that from someone in the States, given that I'd be buying an imported, unlocked version.
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Thanks Derrick. I'm especially glad to hear that from someone in the States, given that I'd be buying an imported, unlocked version.
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i think its ok... i'm about to post mine forsale so i guess i'd fall into the "get my money back" catagory.
After comparing to the iPhone and other Nokia phones on the market, i took a chance at the HD, i wanted it mainly because of the WinMo but in return you get so much more.
It is a beautifully built phone that most other phones aren't capable of doing (iPhone is one example)
My brother has the Samsung Omnia and the difference is phenomenal. If i was a person starting with the Omnia then i would not like WinMo, but that's until i modified every single aspect for him to have a much more beautiful aesthetically looking UI. The HD trumps the Omnia mainly due to the resolution but that's the beauty of WinMo, you can change looks whenever you want and still retain the great WinMo guts.
Get the HD, you won't be disappointed.
I am looking forward to a new one already. I love to tweak the HD, but it still not as fluent as I hope it would be. Next one will have an nvidia tegra chip, looking forward to smooth multitasking already, kinda sick and tired of the qualcomm in my HD.
I will probably ask for my money in a year or so
I'm happy with mine but there are still things I don't like:
1- WiFi reception is worse than my last ppc (eten M700)
2- Audio/Video Remote Control Profile (AVRCP) totaly screwed, instead of the old good way the stupid device opens the crappy media player from windows mobile whenever I press the keys on my stereo bluetooth device, I want to use my own player to listen to music, until now no player solved this problem 100%, waiting for a solution.
3- Can't use the TouchFlo, it's pretty but I prefer the windows mobile today screen and the second today, got all things I need without wasting ram, just want a usefull TouchFlo.
I think the Toshiba tg01 will give the Touch HD a run for its money, but as things currently stand, the HD the best wm device on the market, even despite its lack of physical keyboard.
Off course though the appeal of the tg01 will depend greatly on where you're located, as again, it only appears to work on EU 3g bands
damned carriers!!!
I've been debating changing my t8282 for a t8285 or if my money would be better spent waiting on the tg01 or getting the Pre...though the drop in resolution is sure to hurt...oh decisions, decisions...
I'd keep the phone, am very happy with it so far!
Unfortunately mine has started to have a problem with reception - like ALOT of people on here. As such I've sent it back. If I hadn't had that issue - I'd be more than happy!
@ Tref, what network are you on? If you're on ATT, your best bet is to go with the t8285, make sure to check.
I didn't even know there was a t8285 until after i bought my t8282
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@ Tref, what network are you on? If you're on ATT, your best bet is to go with the t8285, make sure to check.
I didn't even know there was a t8285 until after i bought my t8282
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I'm on AT&T. Thanks for the tip Doc. I hope my vendor has the 8285.
I'm on ATT and have had no problems with reception or EDGE network. It was the best phone out there when I bought it last year and it's still the best phone out there in my opinion. The only upcoming phone I might possibly consider waiting for is the touch pro 2 and that's only if you want a physical keyboard...if not, I'd get the 8285 Telstra Blackstone so you can have 3G on ATT.
Probably keeping my Touch HD until my contract runs out in about 6 months and then going for Omnia HD.
I like Symbian for the ease of use.
I like WM for the endless customisation.
I will never move to Apple!
Very happy with my HD 6 months on and regular reviews of the market place suggest that there is nothing out there to beat it.
I just want to say i will.
Because It costs me $1200 AUD to buy it
I want $1200 back and spend $850 to buy a new HD.
I will give it back, video playing is a big dissapointment, wifi is weak, and the sound quality is worse than all my former pda's
Taking photo's really suk on this thing.
This deffo will be my last HTC.
It is that XDA improves the standard htc's otherwise it was already be gone.
With standard ROM, it sucks. Even the new updated ROM is not what I expected.
With cooked ROM, I have to say that I love it. Smooth, fast, more user-friendly etc.
Camera could have been better, fast videodriver should have been included -- but compared to other WinMo-based units, the HD rox!
So, all-in-all :: thank you all cookers/developers out there, you saved my HD!
yeah, i have to say that too.
The audio and camera functions are disappointed me too.
I dont listen music and take pic with hd.
I do them by using my n95 8g.
That's really much better than hd.
But for me, hd is still my best 1st fav.
i love it, i think i wont change new phone for at least 2-3 years from now.
I'm having serious contemplations about picking up a TP2 and flashing it over to 6.5 with the Leo Sense UI ROM. With that beautiful keyboard, it almost seems too good to pass up. I can keep the Imagio sidelined for a while until the community grows and we start seeing real customization happen for this device. What do you guys think? Honestly, money isn't an issue and my phone is literally the most important thing I touch all day (aside from my girl, man if she saw this haha) so "wasting" the money isn't something I'm concerned with.
I'd be very happy using the flashed TP2 for several months or longer until the Imagio community picks up, then I can always switch back and Ebay the TP2.
It seems like the Imagio launched with very little push from Verizon; a lot of stores by me don't even carry the device in the store, and I pretended not to own the device and ask about it and they seem to have been told to downplay the Imagio in favor of the Droid. Leaves me scratching my head a bit, but oh well. Honestly I love the Imagio, but the lack of customization and the seemingly small amount of people that have one right now are shying me away over to the TP2. I have too many issues with the stock ROM including the memory issues and apparent GPS problem (it's like using QuickGPS is a necessity and that the GPS won't work without it, very annoying).
Any comments guys? I'm sitting on the Verizon site wondering if pushing the purchase button laying before me on the TP2 will be worth it. That Leo ROM looks too promising >_>.
Ive been having the thought of trading my Imagio for a TP2 or even a Droid cross my mind several of times the past week.
7 More days till I can trade it for anything.
Fairly certain I'm going to keep it as I find it's styling is much better than the TP2's, definitely better than the Droid's, and I like it's thickness.
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I'm having serious contemplations about picking up a TP2 and flashing it over to 6.5 with the Leo Sense UI ROM. With that beautiful keyboard, it almost seems too good to pass up. I can keep the Imagio sidelined for a while until the community grows and we start seeing real customization happen for this device. What do you guys think? Honestly, money isn't an issue and my phone is literally the most important thing I touch all day (aside from my girl, man if she saw this haha) so "wasting" the money isn't something I'm concerned with.
I'd be very happy using the flashed TP2 for several months or longer until the Imagio community picks up, then I can always switch back and Ebay the TP2.
It seems like the Imagio launched with very little push from Verizon; a lot of stores by me don't even carry the device in the store, and I pretended not to own the device and ask about it and they seem to have been told to downplay the Imagio in favor of the Droid. Leaves me scratching my head a bit, but oh well. Honestly I love the Imagio, but the lack of customization and the seemingly small amount of people that have one right now are shying me away over to the TP2. I have too many issues with the stock ROM including the memory issues and apparent GPS problem (it's like using QuickGPS is a necessity and that the GPS won't work without it, very annoying).
Any comments guys? I'm sitting on the Verizon site wondering if pushing the purchase button laying before me on the TP2 will be worth it. That Leo ROM looks too promising >_>.
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I have had it over a month now and really like it.There are issues but nothing that will be a deal breaker.I thought about the droid but didnt want to re invent the wheel.I don't regret buying the phone.Having internet email at the touch of a button is very cool.I am happy with my decision
I guess it depends on what you want to do. I'm not particularly interested in cooked roms (for now) so I don't mind the absence. I've been able to customize with tweaks so that the things that bugged me are either gone or invisible. And I find it phenomenally useful for work.
I love this phone!!!
I like that it is not main stream, since I can still use most of the TP2 hacks and make it do all I like, I find my self with a very unique phone that does all and more than I wanted or needed and still look gorgeous. My battery issues are a thing of the past after tweaking the memory some and it is very reliable.
Many use Iphones/Droid and when I pop out my HTC Imagio people still jawdrop off how nice it looks, as americanmetal says, it is thick and feels strong yet perfect size.
Only thing I miss is a hardware keyboard, but this makes up for it nice enough. Other than that, I love my Imagio. I have no idea why it doesn't seem to be popular at all.
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I have no idea why it doesn't seem to be popular at all.
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Part of it could be that "Windows Phone" sparks excitement in no one at all. What a terrible marketing campaign.
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Part of it could be that "Windows Phone" sparks excitement in no one at all. What a terrible marketing campaign.
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Dido, Exactly. Unfortunately, it released in a time when Moto droid commercials where running ramped, the imagio was doomed from the start. Not to mention my fiance and I were exchanging our droid for a new one and the whole store is set up around android. They have a booth with bright colors with the droid and droid eris. It took me searching through the entire store to even find the imagio it was put next to the freakin casio exilim. The only people who buy it are the ones who actually know enough about mobile devices to know that as of right now the imagio is the most functional device in the store. I am finally starting to see imagio ads on sides of websites but honestly it is a bust on the imagio. I think once sprint gets their diamond2, which actually is a whitestone, not a topaz, we'll have more support. Sprint I hope will promote the device, I'm not looking for droid or iphone type bandwagoning, but enough to entice those moderately tech savy.
But let's face it both the imagio and moto droid phones are out of date currently due to the upcoming passion and hd2 so sprint needs to hurry and mobilize the cdma diamond 2. Of course when you buy anything it is immediately out of date. The imagio has a much better chance of staying as current as possible due to flashing than the moto droid, which you can flash new roms, however, there is a limit to what you actually can acheive. this is one of win mo's strong points.
Yeah the fact is, the Imagio is on 1 carrier worldwide and has only been out like 6 weeks. Other devices like the TP2, have been out in other countries, and on more carriers both GSM and CDMA so the support/demand is higher there. It will come, but it will be slower with less overall demand by the userbase.
Droid - No Exchange
I have a friend who just did the opposite and traded in his Droid for the Imagio. The lack of corporate Exchange support was a MAJOR factor in his trade. I traded in my TP2 for an Imagio myself and I'm very happy with it.
Now someone please get the new Sense UI working on this thing!!
Yeah, honestly if I could be using the new Sense UI on my Imagio I'd be much happier.
I don't get why HTC went with WM 6.5, but didn't throw Sense UI on there as well. It seems stupid.
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It seems like the Imagio launched with very little push from Verizon; a lot of stores by me don't even carry the device in the store, and I pretended not to own the device and ask about it and they seem to have been told to downplay the Imagio in favor of the Droid.
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It's all ABOUT the MONEY.
Moto is trying to BUY their way back into the Cell Phone Market
that they lost. Moto is buying TV ads to get back in the game and
who is Moto Promoting - Verizon. If you had a Company Paying for
your Advertising - which product would you push onto Customers.
I just thought it was funny that the add on the top of this page right now is for Windows Phone and it has the tiniest pic of the imagio. You really can't tell what it is even unless you are familiar with it.
My only issue with the Imagio is that it lags, when browsing and moving from app to app. The Exchange support on the Droid is just plain half ass'd. You cannot accept appointments and move emails or see your nested folder stucture. Exchange integration is primary for me so WinMo wins despite its shortcomings. Unfortunately, WinMo has a bad wrap and then forum posters all over just want to follow the crowd.
It should be.........
I've had my Imagio about 2 weeks now and I think it's a fantastic device. Although issues have been posted on this site, most appear to be solvable as the product matures. My biggest issue has been that the phone has no "hold" button.
I'm trialing an imagio for 30 days. Coming from the tp2 which I love I thought it was a no brainer to have basically the same device in a more lightweight package, sans hard kb. I still like to whip out the stylus tho and find it's location on the left side cumbersome. I'm right handed. I am missing my hardware kb also, but hope to get used to not having it in some more days time. I hate getting finger grease/smudges on my beautiful device, So dealing with that. I may find I'm just a hardware keyboard kinda guy. Keeping the tp2 so no worries going back. Was going to try a droid, but I have so many wm apps that would go to waste,I hate to do that. I'm on the fence, love the lesser weight and good looks, but , but, but.......gotta keep going with this trial.
Side note: I'm dealing with the imagio's seemed memory issues and apps like opera not loading fully because of lo mem issues. When I look at my free ram I see an ample amount so I think this a bug. I've heard rumors of a patch that fixes this from htc, nothing solid, but if it becomes a pita then it will go back and tp2 will again reign supreme.
I see more Imagio commercials than Droid commercials now
The Forgotten Phone
This is really strange, I know in the on going battle between form and function everyone on this site will always pick form, but lets face it, the iphone is sexy
HTC finally makes a phone with the function of the glorious HTC touch pro 2 and the sexiness of the iphone and its a flop. I mean I really enjoy this phone ( I even signed up for the Vcast TV... Lame I know
It has real open platform availability (not like the iphone or even the droid )
There are tons of reviews about who's browser is better the iphone or the droid, I current have 3!!! browers on my phone ( I just pick which one I like better at the time ) (internet explorer mobile does better at mobile websites then opera or skyfire ). My friends at work were wondering whens flash going to be added to the iphone or droid, so I showed them sky fire
5 Megapixal Camera (eat your heart out TP2, and Iphone )
Real (not hacked ) Tethering (sorry Iphone, Droid)
Real FULLY functional exchange support, which some of us NEED!!!!!
ability to run simultaneous apps ( sorry iphone ) ability to EASILY close and running apps (sorry droid, 5 clicks to close an app is way too much)
Yeah I know the droid as the google maps navigation, which is buggy, but it is kool. But its windows mobile, you can purchase your own nav software or download ( from a site that rhymes with ppcTorez ) the windows mobile version of google navigation.
Free and functional Microsoft Office!!!!!! *sorry iphone and droid
I should give a shot out to the TP2 for having an awesome keyboard, but when I'm watching comedy central on the highway ( not driving of course) while shooting 5 megapixal shots, while the girl in the next car is starring at my oh so sexy phone. I dont feel so bad
Although it does bug me to have to explain to folks all the time its not an Iphone or a blackberry storm!!! Jesus christ Microsoft can we freakin get just one commerical!!
But as much as I love this phone, and I regret sending in the rebate form ( now I cant exchange the phone ) this lack of support from the gods of windows mobile ( in this forum as well as the great guys at ppcgeeks ) means less cool customizations except for the ones we can mooch off the TP2 threads
PS Hey guys, this new Samsung Omnia 2 that just came out, any thoughts
it has a bigger screen
faster processor
a flash
I feel like those samsung guys went straight after this phone
I like my Imagio. When I went to the standard Windows Phone interface instead of HTC's, my memory issues disappeared. I always have 40-50% of my memory available.
I probably would have gone to the Omnio II if it had been available within my 30 days, just for the faster speed and flash. And the issue of faster speed for me is how fast it rotates when I turn the phone to landscape. Oh well. Otherwise, I'm happy enough.
To me, google nav has the same problem google maps has: you don't always have a 3G signal even with Verizon, and relying on downloading maps as you're moving is...not reliable. I use Garmin XT for nav. Try using Google Nav while you're in the mountains!
Heck, I even got my Imagio Garmin nav to work while I was flying to Philly (in airplane mode no less). Funny seeing that speed indicator at 520mph over Toledo (I was trying to figure out where we were).
Like others, I've certainly impressed some iPhone users with live video via Justin.tv on Skyfire, and they had to gather around my little phone on its funky pop-out stand like everyone else.
3 weeks now
I love mine , heavy MS exchange user and it works great . would like to get my tomtom working or at least a really good 3d gps. i put swipe and finger keyboard on it and love the swipe keying. find new apps every day. it really is the phone that gets me.
There is an interesting mix of 'stuff' on this forum at present and what seems to be a considerable amount of interest and emotion around the HD2. There are:
Threads asking for opinions on upgrades
Threads slating the device
Threads doing the basic 'work' of the forum (in my opinion) i.e. sharing information, trying to find ways of making things work, helping one another out, etc
Judging by the critical threads and by those jumping in to defend the device, there are two essentially polarised schools of thought; those who love it and those who loath it (and of course, many shades in between).
Many of those who hate the device seem to be inclined to share their dissatisfaction in the interests of providing balance for those considering a purchase, so instead of the emotion and mud slinging, how about a simple poll so that everyone can submit their own view in as dispassionate a manner as possible?
No comment!
IPhone Windows Style
I cant wait until My Pink Photo phone is warrantied so I can load a different ROM on it. This phone out of the box is so locked down on features it even hides two games. To install owner information you have to fill out your contact card not Owner information through windows because it is nonexistent without reg edit. If I didn't know how do do some Reg Editing I think I might have thrown this phone even at the $800 US Price tag. I cannot even switch the view to landscape in Excel, so now I can only see half of my spread sheets.
On the plus side the 1 GHZ processor runs all of my programs at lightning fast speeds. The screen is big enough to enjoy anything you do on this phone. The cellular radio has great reception I have not dropped a call yet.
I'm in the US, so like many of my brethren, I'm waiting for my order to be shipped.
I may have some problems with the phone, but truthfully, if not for the trailblazers and those having problems, I would be lost in most of the issues I'll run across.
Ultimately, the specs on this device make it too delicious not to love.
Positive
This is the best device I have ever owned.
I started with an XDAII, which was classic and the 2nd of it's kind, that is, a computer phone.
HTC pioneered this, making the first, the XDA.
They solved many of the power issues and other technical issues of earlier pda's and melded the mobile phone with the pocket computer.
It was instantly better than any Nokia.
I have owned many classics like O2 Mini, Atom, Polaris and HD.
Though it is a good phone without needing any major changes, I couldn't stand not being able to customise my phone at the cellular level.
But then, I have built a dozen hi performance pc's in my time and similarly would not be happy with a DELL or a Mac or anything like that. I owned a top line powermac 12 years ago that cost 22 G's but my HD2 is 10 times more powerful, has the same size storage and fits in my pocket.
There are plenty of phone-computers that cannot be customised and so there is no scope for the problems that can arise in trying to mod a phone to make it do things an ordinary phone can't.
What's not to like?
Have to say when I got mine i was sooo impressed and yes for a while it was unconditional love.
Realised the shortfalls pretty quickly but they are minor and I can live with them.
However after 3 days the phone completely died and (fingers crossed) the replacement is due this morning.
C'mon vodafone / parcelforce ... make me happy again ......
GG
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Miri Manila 2.5 Rev 13
Donated to my girl
(so she won't be mad at me for buying an HD2)
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Initial Analysis...
With just over 50 responses in, the poll results, to me at least, are a more accurate reflection of end user response to the HD2, with around 70% of respondees either liking or loving the device.
Interestingly, the modal response (just) is currently 'like it, but accept that it needs tweaking'.
Around 10% of responses are ambivalent and less than 10% dislike or hate the device. This tends to back up the suspicion that the noisy negative threads reflect the minority, rather than the majority.
The balance of responses are in the 'don't have it yet, but will/won't get it', where there is little to choose between the two responses.
I'd like to believe that the poll approach gives everyone a chance to state their opinion in non-emotive terms, so for those contemplating a purchase the XDA recommendation currently seems to be 'go for it'.
I'm also of the personal opinion that a 70% early adopter approval rating isn't too bad for a bleeding edge device that will only improve with HSPL/USPL and cooked ROMs.
Nice, i like your thinking and giving objective statistics to the crowd!
I'm going to give this a gentle nudge as I'd like to be sure it captures the opinions of as many HD2 users as possible, plus there are still people asking for opinions on the phone and whether they should upgrade.
As it stands, there have been 73 responses (I think 64 of those are from people who actually own the device) and the dislikers/haters number precisely 5 of that 64, with a further 6 ambivalent.
Unless a good many HD2 owners are so appalled by the device that they won't even register their vote it seems clear that the overwealming majority are happy with the device.
Wouldn't be wonderful if that meant a bit more of a useful tone in some of the threads in this forum. At least the number of 'Kill all HTC emplyees, kill them all and slaughter their families, beat them to beath with iPhones' type threads does seem to have dropped off a bit...which is nice.
I've had my HD2 since Monday 30th November and I am very pleased with it.
I upgraded from a Touch HD and found the capacitive screen ( using the pad of my finger ) on the HD2 compared to the resistive screen ( using my fingernail ) on the Touch HD took a bit of getting used to. Once I mastered the new typing style required by the HD2 I found it very fast and accurate to use. I have not applied any fixes for the screen.
The only problem I have with this PPC is stopping myself from playing with it
In light of the threads that seem to keep being opened by those with an axe to grind against the HD2, I'm going to give this a nudge as I still feel that a nice, simple poll is the best, emotion-free way to gather opinion about the HD2.
I truly don't go big on conspiracy theories and smear campaigns but the evidence of 98 votes in the poll so far say that two users don't like their HD2 but are stuck with it and another three users hated it so much they have binned it.
Approximately 5% of HD2 users therefore seem to be accounting for an awful lot of noise, heat and light. Worse still, they are clogging up a forum that should be helping those of us that do like the device to get the most from it. I don't know about anyone else, but that's why I'm here, not to have increasingly petty arguments. There is an old proverb about a wise man arguing with a fool; very quickly it becomes difficult to tell which is which. Sound familiar?
I don't hate the iPhone - don't rate it either, nor did my wife, a convinced technophobe who is now very happily using my old HD having binned the iphone - and I don't think that people who don't like the HD2 are intrinsically bad people, but I do wish what appears to be a very small minority would have their say and jog on.
The fact that they don't and that they keep on (and on and on (and on and on and on)) making their points about the HD2 is suspicious, but maybe the poll is lying. So here's a bump - if you haven't already voted, do so now, especially the HD2 haters. Let's have some objectivity and balance instead of flame...ready? Go
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75% satisfaction and 10% ambivalent is better than what the iPhone scored in some surveys.
Gustopher said:
In light of the threads that seem to keep being opened by those with an axe to grind against the HD2, I'm going to give this a nudge as I still feel that a nice, simple poll is the best, emotion-free way to gather opinion about the HD2.
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Well I definitely like it. No digital device has ever wowed me so much that I didn't want to tweak it. The 'killer app' of the HD2 is in fact its tweakability (is that in the dictionary?) That's what makes it win out over the iPhone.
All of my frustrations are with the WM 6.5 operating system, and all my admiration is with HTC for virtually relegating WM to a background sub-system, where it belongs. (Don't hold your breath hoping that WM 7 is going to be a better user interface than HTSense.)
I've been trying to get a HD2 and not going anywhere. I've got two vodafone accounts (one for 14years, one for over 10) and they totally screwed me over in getting the HD2 by deliberately sending a Satio in my order instead of the HD2 thus removing me from the order list which I had got on the 15th, one day after the device was released.
They never then called me back when they got stock of course despite putting in several more orders. Even getting my PAC got me nowhere.
Sadly all vodafone reps on the phone say they love the HD2 instead of the iphone. I personally feel that vodafone are bullying people into the sub-standard iphone and especially 360 devices for profits.
What I did agree on with the vodafone reps are that:
Pros of HD2
a) Great large screen
b) still surprisingly pocketable (like TG01)
c) faster than any other device.
d) Battery DOES last longer than iphone (I got 5hours of iphone 3gS use on vodafone greece network with mild usage).
e) high-res screen.
f) will support WM7.
g) has more ROM space than many other devices.
h) You do not have to jailbreak the device and worry about apple updates bricking your device. HSPL lets you put in new cooked ROMs, you cannot even do that on an iphone.
i) Less jokey than the iphone. I dont see it as a serious device.
j) If you can cope with the technical stuff and the sheer volume of tweaks a WM6.5 device can be anything you want it to be!!!
k) it is not out of the question in the future to put android on the HD2 either.
l) Tons of useful software, not just gimmick stuff!!!
m) microsdhc can be up to 32GB now, just released in Times Square in Hong Kong. branded 16GB dirt cheap (class 6).
Cons:
a) SMS issue is worrying for a prospective user especially as the problems seem widespread on Vodafone UK.
b) Yes, pink camera issue, but i couldnt care less about it.
c) HSPL for official ROM upgrades around vodafone is almost like jailbreaking.
d) the tweaks and stuff is quite technical - and there is just so much of it!!! but of course this is also a pro!!
e) Battery quality seems variable. Some good units out there, some bad.
f) So much to tinker, so much to break!!!!
In short, the HD2 has no competitor due to the processor and the screen size and its resolution. Sure it's not 16M, but that can come with an upgrade.
It has the grunt for the future with the CPU, you have chainfire to compete with cortex+gpu, and enough ROM and RAM and you can tweak it to your heart's content!!!
I say the HD2 is a WINNER - I CAN fix most of the issues or ignore them, or avoid them just like i do with my E65 every day. What I can't get on another device is the screen. I do pray that I dont get teh SMS issue though.
I just have to make sure HD2 fits in my tight pockets!!! (31" waist).
I am going to have to admit that, when I opened the box and powered on the device, I was bouncing up and down with glee. And I still was for days. I stopped bouncing when a) it started hurting and b) some minor niggles reared their heads.
1. When I adjust the volume on the music tab, with music playing, it stutters and does not show the slider. If I lock the device or use a different tab, it's fine.
2. Today, after about a week of use, the much-touted SMS not sending issue struck me. This may be to do with me not trimming my message box - but apparently HTC are working on it and in the meantime I can disable the HTC messaging app and use the basic WinMo one which is still highly functional, and everything works.
These have reduced my enjoyment level a little - I paid £475 for this device and to be fair I expect it to have, at most, very very minor issues, but I still enjoy it, I think it is a marvellous bit of kit and look forward to HTC's fixes addressing everything.
chris_ah1 said:
I've been trying to get a HD2 and not going anywhere. I've got two vodafone accounts (one for 14years, one for over 10) and they totally screwed me over in getting the HD2 by deliberately sending a Satio in my order instead of the HD2 thus removing me from the order list which I had got on the 15th, one day after the device was released.
They never then called me back when they got stock of course despite putting in several more orders. Even getting my PAC got me nowhere.
Sadly all vodafone reps on the phone say they love the HD2 instead of the iphone. I personally feel that vodafone are bullying people into the sub-standard iphone and especially 360 devices for profits.
What I did agree on with the vodafone reps are that:
Pros of HD2
a) Great large screen
b) still surprisingly pocketable (like TG01)
c) faster than any other device.
d) Battery DOES last longer than iphone (I got 5hours of iphone 3gS use on vodafone greece network with mild usage).
e) high-res screen.
f) will support WM7.
g) has more ROM space than many other devices.
h) You do not have to jailbreak the device and worry about apple updates bricking your device. HSPL lets you put in new cooked ROMs, you cannot even do that on an iphone.
i) Less jokey than the iphone. I dont see it as a serious device.
j) If you can cope with the technical stuff and the sheer volume of tweaks a WM6.5 device can be anything you want it to be!!!
k) it is not out of the question in the future to put android on the HD2 either.
l) Tons of useful software, not just gimmick stuff!!!
m) microsdhc can be up to 32GB now, just released in Times Square in Hong Kong. branded 16GB dirt cheap (class 6).
Cons:
a) SMS issue is worrying for a prospective user especially as the problems seem widespread on Vodafone UK.
b) Yes, pink camera issue, but i couldnt care less about it.
c) HSPL for official ROM upgrades around vodafone is almost like jailbreaking.
d) the tweaks and stuff is quite technical - and there is just so much of it!!! but of course this is also a pro!!
e) Battery quality seems variable. Some good units out there, some bad.
f) So much to tinker, so much to break!!!!
In short, the HD2 has no competitor due to the processor and the screen size and its resolution. Sure it's not 16M, but that can come with an upgrade.
It has the grunt for the future with the CPU, you have chainfire to compete with cortex+gpu, and enough ROM and RAM and you can tweak it to your heart's content!!!
I say the HD2 is a WINNER - I CAN fix most of the issues or ignore them, or avoid them just like i do with my E65 every day. What I can't get on another device is the screen. I do pray that I dont get teh SMS issue though.
I just have to make sure HD2 fits in my tight pockets!!! (31" waist).
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I just saw your comment about praying not to get the SMS issue. Apparently, keeping your message box counts low will help prevent it - but I cannot guarantee it. if it DOES strike, there are solutions in numerous threads - the one I suggest most as it worked for me is disabling HTCs messaging app and using WinMo's own.
Yep, of course not all solutions work because I personally believe that Vodafone SMS is *shiste* service.
Interesting thing is that there are two SMS issues - slow browsing and display - which you can avoid by bringing up menu and closing it.
And messages staying in the outbox is something Ive had with my E65...I merely have to tell the phone to resend them and it goes.
Just to recap solutions I've seen, but not all work for SMS sending:
a) disable htc messaging
b) change to classic view, not conversation
c) set messages to GSM only not GPRS
d) disable 3G/2G switching and stay on GSM.
e) reboot phone and take out battery.
f) get a new vodafone Sim card.
g) get the phone to re-register itself on a new tower.
h) install HTC hotfix and/or later ROMs.
For SMS delayed view:
a) switch to classic view,
b) disable htc messaging
c) get menu up on random message and cancel menu.
d) purge your SMS box.
I must note that My E65 does this automatically - it only keeps a low number of messages in memory and automatically purges old ones. It also soft-resets itself automatically every 24hours. So S60 is not so special either - all mobiles have these issues. at least my E65 SMS not sending is sporadic.
MY HD2
I got my HD2 three weeks ago & loved it when it first booted up. I have had no serious problems with it since except when I tried to update the ROM, it keeps coming up: "not suitable for this pocket pc".
Either I have done something wrong or the phone will not update I do not know. So, it ain't broke, so don't fix it is the way to go!
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I got my HD2 three weeks ago & loved it when it first booted up. I have had no serious problems with it since except when I tried to update the ROM, it keeps coming up: "not suitable for this pocket pc".
Either I have done something wrong or the phone will not update I do not know. So, it ain't broke, so don't fix it is the way to go!
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You're either:
- Running the ROM update on the device - you can't, you need to run it from a PC with the phone plugged in and in bootloader mode.
- Running the ROM update on a PC but the phone isn't in bootloader mode.
- Running the ROM update on a PC but the update isn't for your serial number. (Try looking at all the ROM updates on the HTC website for your area, i.e. htc.com/uk)
- Running the ROM update for a custom ROM without running HSPL first. (Check the HD2 ROM forum - http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=534)
Coming from years of Windows Mobile devices and then a few months with the Iphone 3GS, now yesterday I receive my new Galaxy S from o2.
First thing you notice is just how identical the packaging is to the iphones, how similar the look of the phone, but that's were the similarities end...
For a start you actually get a little guide booklet which is actually quite helpful, not being used to Android, fantastic something desperately needed on the Iphone an removable battery and additional memory via the 8GB card that was supplied with the phone. Then WOW, this phone even with its battery fitted is so very lightweight you hardly feel it in your pocket.
Then you turn it on, greeted with a very flashy Galaxy boot screen, I can't believe my eyes at just how perfect and vibrant the screen is, the extra size, vibrancy and pure resolution over the 3GS is quite simply amazing.
Took me a while to work out that you have to turn of USB debugging to allow access to being able to browse through a windows explorer or the downloadable Kies software, this is what I have missed using the Iphone, being in control of drag and drop music/stuff onto your device, I actually feel like I own this device.
With the restrictions of having to use Itunes which I have never really liked.
Been playing around with these widget things and installing software from the market and loving the live wallpapers...
My first GPS test this morning - very positive, read here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7563359&postcount=515
I have got a lot to learn with Android, its more like windows mobile than IOS4, yet it seems stable and quick compared to windows mobile, yet gives you more freedom than IOS4, at this time and I know its early days but I keep asking myself why I didn't move to Android sooner, hope I haven't bored you all too much...
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Coming from years of Windows Mobile devices and then a few months with the Iphone 3GS, now yesterday I receive my new Galaxy S from o2.
First thing you notice is just how identical the packaging is to the iphones, how similar the look of the phone, but that's were the similarities end...
For a start you actually get a little guide booklet which is actually quite helpful, not being used to Android, fantastic something desperately needed on the Iphone an removable battery and additional memory via the 8GB card that was supplied with the phone. Then WOW, this phone even with its battery fitted is so very lightweight you hardly feel it in your pocket.
Then you turn it on, greeted with a very flashy Galaxy boot screen, I can't believe my eyes at just how perfect and vibrant the screen is, the extra size, vibrancy and pure resolution over the 3GS is quite simply amazing.
Took me a while to work out that you have to turn of USB debugging to allow access to being able to browse through a windows explorer or the downloadable Kies software, this is what I have missed using the Iphone, being in control of drag and drop music/stuff onto your device, I actually feel like I own this device.
With the restrictions of having to use Itunes which I have never really liked.
Been playing around with these widget things and installing software from the market and loving the live wallpapers...
My first GPS test this morning - very positive, read here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7563359&postcount=515
I have got a lot to learn with Android, its more like windows mobile than IOS4, yet it seems stable and quick compared to windows mobile, yet gives you more freedom than IOS4, at this time and I know its early days but I keep asking myself why I didn't move to Android sooner, hope I haven't bored you all too much...
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You haven't bored me at all.
I have had exactly the same experience as you. Most people on this forum make it sound like this device is terrible, so it's nice to see someone who hasn't had any real problems and is happy with it. I was starting to think there was something wrong with my phone in that it was actually working.
probably they came from the Apple clouds, that's why.
I came from the Windows World, and this phone is simply magnificent.
It could have been better, if they didn't decide to release so many different variants and Data freqcuencies 850/1900/2100, 900/1900/2100, 850/900/1800/1900
i like the UK version so much because it's unlocked but runs only on 1900, but the Bell version has 850, but locked, and the USA 850 versions has a lot of missing stuff (buttons, front camera, etc), also Locked
but all that aside, software wise, and funtionality wise, this phone it is one tiny little beast, the Android market has more and more software by the days, and accessories are plenty, in fact i got all my accessories before the phone even arrived LOL
but definitely, being able to drag and drop stuff directly to the phone without Itune or Kies it's perfect.
i was surprised to find out the phone even have 5.1 surround sound option when you plug in the headset, it is on the manual, i was bored and started reading the manual
LOL
AllGamer said:
It could have been better, if they didn't decide to release so many different variants and Data freqcuencies 850/1900/2100, 900/1900/2100, 850/900/1800/1900
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Not to mention radios, currently got the WCDMA thing going on in Korea. I think it's actually a WCDMA/GMS combo, but I haven't been able to confirm.
From the manual:
사용 주파수 범위 (Frequency Range):
WCDMA 1900/2100
GSM 900
DCS 1700/1800
US PCS 1900
*note, these are actually my rounding/interpretations of the ranges they list, I think it's easier to read than the exact number ranges but I might have misinterpreted 1 or 2. I can post the exact numbers if anyone is interested or can shed light.
*Edit* - Also the 2 variants on the way for U.S. CDMA and 4G. Well, they wanted to sell 10M, it's kind of good for us since we will get more XDA support and people have been successful modding the I9000 root to work for the initial US launches.
Pwew I've just ordered the Galaxy S on Friday and after looking on here at all the complaints I was getting very jittery. I'm the same as you chaps a windows fan and still love my HD2, but its time for a change so Im glad its not all doom and gloom
Thinking about I don't normally comment on something when it's all ok, only when I start getting problems so it makes sense I suppose.
rhitey said:
Pwew I've just ordered the Galaxy S on Friday and after looking on here at all the complaints I was getting very jittery. I'm the same as you chaps a windows fan and still love my HD2, but its time for a change so Im glad its not all doom and gloom
Thinking about I don't normally comment on something when it's all ok, only when I start getting problems so it makes sense I suppose.
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The polls here asking if people are happy typically indicate that people are happy with the devices. It seems that some people haven't tried to get new devices if they had very buggy GPS. It's still unclear if, the somewhat buggy GPS is hardware/software, but the implementation of the hardware has seemed to improve from the limited accounts I've read (I think this is the 3rd, but I don't read the "GPS Poll" thread, so that'd be where to find out for sure).
If you aren't worried about the GPS, there is little to worry about, especially when comparing to other Android devices. You might experience lag, but it depends on many factors and there are fixes available.
Today is my 2nd day im using my new Galaxy S. im very happy with it [ except the wifi seems to be a bit crappy ]
its my first time with android, i used to have HTC Artemis for many years and i enjoyed it. i never *****ed a lot at win mobile but using Android and the fast samsung seems a good relief
so far, very happy with it. i was still a HTC -fan, i wanted the HTC Desire but it was out of stock so i took the Samsung instead. Dont blame me that i pimped it totally Sense / Desire look on the phone hahah
mvenneker said:
Today is my 2nd day im using my new Galaxy S. im very happy with it [ except the wifi seems to be a bit crappy ]
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What are the details on the crappy wifi and what firmware are you using? I assume it's on the factory installed firmware? Look into updating, wifi complaints have gone way down to near mute levels since people have updated firmwares. This could be because they have given up on complaining, but I think when people update firmwares they typically say things like "GPS still sucks, X is still present, Y has improved."
If that doesn't fix it, you might have a malfunctioning wifi. I love my speedy 802.11n.
Ik will take al look on the firmware ane update it if possible. Tnx for the headsup.
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additional memory via the 8GB card that was supplied with the phone.
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got a galaxy s from tesco but did not get a 8GB card with it
Same here. I came from a Touch Pro running WM6.1 and can't stop playing with the Galaxy. I already had the freedom to do what I wanted and a really good (if small) screen on the Touch Pro but the integration of everything and the open door that is the marketplace really makes Android shine over current Windows Mobile.
The hardware is excellent and I can't say I've had any issues with wifi nor gps. I'm sitting in the attic of my house at the moment and got six satellites through the roof without issue. Seems to drop wifi after a short amount of time of inactivity but I'm sure that's a power saving thing - certainly connects back up fast whenever it needs to so I'm happy. Just got the usual issue of looking for some case protection now and where to carry it - shirt pocket or on a belt pouch - don't dare to put such a lovely thing in my pocket.