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Hi,
I am reading for the post that people make use or make bigger \storage folder.
I never use or didn't know that \storage folder can be used as \storage card folder (SD Card). So far I only know that it is used to keep contact, todo, calendar, and connection.
Could I put file, program, wav or mid file on it to make use of \storage folder?
Can somebody please explain.
Thanks!
Arto
keep it i your mind as just only another sd-card storage but with better spped times.
What I heard is SD is faster than storage.
But the REAL advantage of storage over SD is yr PDA will not supply power to SD in suspend mode. And time is needed to initialize it from suspend mode
Therefore, if yr PDA want to loaded program installed on SD from reset (or suspend) mode, it may complaint it couldn't found the program or low batter error
anansky thanks.
Could I install something like Skype on \storage folder? And can I run it like normal program afterthat?
I should try it myself, but I am too lazy
Regards,
Arto
yes, U could.
But for skype, I would rather install it on SD (unless U are using an SD wifi card) since it doesn't needed immediately after an suspend.
Good canadiates of program to be installed on storage will be Today's plugin, driver, Beta Player (in case I switch the SD for the songs), DLL (using MemMaid to move dll from main memory to storage), and programs I needed even I need to take out the SD (eg. Resco file manager, Resco Register editor, Burr Oak's Hot Button, Pocket Hack Master, Voice Command and Pocket Informant)
Rgds,
Jack
jackleung said:
yes, U could.
But for skype, I would rather install it on SD (unless U are using an SD wifi card) since it doesn't needed immediately after an suspend.
Good canadiates of program to be installed on storage will be Today's plugin, driver, Beta Player (in case I switch the SD for the songs), DLL (using MemMaid to move dll from main memory to storage), and programs I needed even I need to take out the SD (eg. Resco file manager, Resco Register editor, Burr Oak's Hot Button, Pocket Hack Master, Voice Command and Pocket Informant)
Rgds,
Jack
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I have the impression that the \Storage (ROM) has slower read/write speed compared to main memory (RAM) so I wouldn't install my frequently run programs like Today's plugin into \Storage.
Would the OS use the \Storage space as working memory when main memory runs low? I've got a feeling that it would not...
Is it possible to:
1. set MyDocuments default path to Storage?
2. Store mail attachments on storage folder?
YRLS said:
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2. Store mail attachments on storage folder?
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you can store them on sd :wink:
crino said:
YRLS said:
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2. Store mail attachments on storage folder?
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you can store them on sd :wink:
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I know, but I have to use a SDWifi too ;-)
With Tweaks2k2 I set mail attachements on storage 8)
patrickquek said:
I have the impression that the \Storage (ROM) has slower read/write speed compared to main memory (RAM) so I wouldn't install my frequently run programs like Today's plugin into \Storage.
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Yes, ROM is MUCH slower than main memory. But mini only got 4x mb main memory left and some programs and DLLs must installed in main memory to work (Chinese Plugnin, Voice command ... etc). People like me who runs serveral applications at the same time (GPS software, BetaPlayer, Phone) have to sacrifty some speed over stability.
patrickquek said:
Would the OS use the \Storage space as working memory when main memory runs low? I've got a feeling that it would not...
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No, it won't.
T-Mobile NL MDA Compact upgrade works
Hi,
Just wanted to drop a note that the magician_os1.11wwe_bigstorage works, I just upgraded my T-Mobile Netherlands MDA Compact.
However, I did have some troubles getting the rom image on my SD card (sections=1 not allow, update! errors). After tried about 4 different cheapo brands of SD cards, I finally got it working on the boxed 256 MB Sandisk MiniSD w/ adapter which came in the T-Mobile package.
As this 15 page thread mentions a whole spectrum of bytes to copy varying from 220 bytes in the original doc, up to several MB's, the number of bytes I copied is exactly 416 decimal bytes (that is 1A0 hex, i.e. HDD Hex Editor showing Sel: 00000000-000001A0 (416 bytes) in the right bottom corner).
All files I used for the upgrade are on http://www.crapware.nl/qteks100/
I found this thread on aximsite, a forum I still visit from when I had a Dell Axim and it looked interesting. I didn't find the app in a search here, so I thought I'd post it for anyone who might be interested.
UPX is apparently an app that lets you compress .exe and .dll files without really impacting perfomance in any noticeable way (per the postings in the thread.) I haven't tried it yet, but might give it a shot. It seems the app is not resident on the pocket PC, but needs have files moved to the pc, compressed, then moved back. It's a little bit of work, but it only needs to be done once, so after the set up, it sounds like you're good to go.
Anyway, just thought I'd pass it on as an FYI for anyone who might be interested.
Oh yeah, and it's free too.
Finally UPX is available for WinCE. You should have posted in "General" in the first place.
This program makes your programs even start faster (less to read from usually slow SD card, storage, ...).
For a non-technical person, I am a bit confused... Reading thru the thread, it seems that more ram are required to run the compressed apps.
What exactly do we gain if the apps are stored on a storage card where storage space is not really the issue? Need help.
Wow, thank God. UPX is old skool genius.
Can someone give it a go on the enormous Skype executable? I'm not near my phone for a while and can't check it.
V
vijay, I tested it on the big MobileNavigator.exe which is around 3,7 MB originally. UPX'd only 1,1 MB or so. And it runs! Even Voice Command (300KB down to 100KB). Since I have it installed in Storage it starts faster (Storage is soo slow).
Thank goodness. This is a God send, when reversing PPC binaries you can see that they're full of so much slack.
I had a look at UPX quite a while ago - I use it to compress all my PC VB and C++ stuff, but was disappointed to find it didn't work on PPC. I'm now.
Decompressing presumably incurrs some overhead, but it'll help us out when we've got limited storage.
V
vijay555 said:
Decompressing presumably incurrs some overhead, but it'll help us out when we've got limited storage.
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I can't agree with that. You can read on the authors page, that
http://upx.sf.net/ said:
Your executables suffer no memory overhead or other drawbacks because of in-place decompression.
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Although decompression takes some time it is still faster, because it is read into RAM a few times faster than it normally would. This saves more time than it takes.
Good point Chatty. My concern was CPU overhead on slower processors (OMAP), but as you say, since you're using RAM or faster storage, it'll probably compensate.
V
i tried it with opera and tomtom which are both on my main memory
results:
original opera startup 14 sec
upx opera startup 9 sec
original tomtom startup 15 sec
upx tomtom startup 14 sec
i also tried it with tcpmp which is on my SD card
original tcpmp startup 3 sec
upx tcpmp startup 2,5 sec
so it seems to speed things up a little
HOWEVER... in opera the the '-' buttons dont work anymore.. they do work when you use them through the touch screen though..
and the text ('Stop'/'Go to' and 'Menu') is aligned to the left of the screen instead of the normal at 1/3rd and 2/3rd of the screen.
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original opera 4,86mb
upx opera 1,63mb
original tomtom 2,62mb
upx tomtom 1,67mb
original tcpmp 1,21mb
upx tcpmp 1,21mb
not only a speed gain but it also saves room
OPERA
after a few tests i found out the opera.dll is responsible for the movement of the ´-´ buttons and the not functioning with the keyboard
the opera.exe, xmlparse.dll and zip.dll have nothing to do with it..
with the upx´ed above three and the standard opera.dll startup takes 12 sec so its still some faster then all original files
however the original opera.dll is 4,74mb and the upx opera.dll is 1,57mb, so it doesnt save much room :!:
im just glad ill receive a 4gb SD card today which will give me some extra breathing room compared to my 512mb
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Bartjan said:
however the original opera.dll is 4,74mb and the upx opera.dll is 1,57mb, so it doesnt save much room :!:
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1/3! What do/did you expect? I find this rather great!
i meant:
when you use the original opera.dll so the ´-´ buttons still work right, you dont save much room compared to the all original opera :roll:
I went through last night and UPX'd every DLL and EXE that I could, including WisBar (and Desktop), Resco, Opera, PocketInformant and other stuff.
PocketInformant won't start if one of the DLLs is UPX'd, but I don't remember which one. The rest of them and all the EXEs are fine.
Opera - as above. Screw the soft keys, 3MB is a lot of slack to be rid of.
Resco was interesting. The Today plugin messed up at one point, and the Explorer went completely scatty with fonts. Even after uncompressing all the Resco files again the Encrypt/Decrypt context menu items were blank but functioning.
WisBar (compressed) can now live in the 10MB Ext_ROM along with Opera and Resco.
All in all it is something to use carefully, but can save a LOT of space.
Hmm.. so far the responses from the trial seems good. I'll give it a try too later this weekend
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My results, using UPX -9 (e.g. max compression)
All programs are working so far, but performance are negligible (e.g. less than 2 seconds improvements)
from \Windows
PITools.dll 1.18M -> 504K (save 700K)
from \Program Files
Mobibook.exe : 1.61M -> 619K (save 1.0M)
Tom tom navigator : 1.59 -> 692 (save 900K)
WorldMate.exe : 747K -> 207K (540K)
So, that is a saving of 3M of space! Anyway, for those of you that are adventurous, there are various 500K size dll files in \Windows folder, which I doubt can save much (e.g. the effort/space ratio isn't that attractive).
Anyway, I've found the following files on \Windows that seems to be compressable.
ppt.exe (powerpoint)
gwes.exe (???) <-- DO NOT RUN. It will hang your unit.
gdiplus.dll (???)
msxml3.dll (???)
However, I'm not sure if it is a good idea to compress the ppt that is in ROM, and others are unknown programs (e.g. not sure how to test it after compression)
I've also looked around my SD card and found the Tennis.exe game that I have, that is 2.4M in size which were then compressed downed to 2.17M, which is a bit disappointing. I didn't test if it runs on my unit or not.
hanmin said:
Hmm.. so far the responses from the trial seems good. I'll give it a try too later this weekend
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An pages anywhere with a list of what NOT to compress?
This is an excellent app! I have compressed all of my apps and have not had any problems.
The big ones for me are PlanMaker and TextMaker - both have compressed to a fraction of their original size. Infact I was running a little tight on space I hadn't even installed TextMaker. But now I have compressed both it isn't a problem.
The only strange one so far is ListPro which works fine but loses it's icon.
I haven't tried to compress everything possible, just the apps and may be the main dll.
I have now got about 5mb more storage space than when I started with TextMaker installed.
Excellent!
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Anyway, I've found the following files on \Windows that seems to be compressable.
ppt.exe (powerpoint)
gwes.exe (???) <-- DO NOT RUN. It will hang your unit.
gdiplus.dll (???)
msxml3.dll (???)
However, I'm not sure if it is a good idea to compress the ppt that is in ROM, and others are unknown programs (e.g. not sure how to test it after compression)
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You're right that compressing something that is in ROM isn't a good idea, that takes up space!
If you have a file in ROM like \windows\PPT.EXE and it is 1MB in size, then compress it to 500KB, copy it back to \windows, you actually USE 500KB of Program Storage rather than saving it.
Your ROM is Read Only, you can't delete files from it or overwrite them.
What actually happens is that you create another file with the same name and the OS ignores the one in ROM.
I do this with ClearStorage.exe.
I created a .TXT file and in it put
Code:
Clear Storage is dangerous.
then renamed it to ClearStorage.exe. I put it in the \windows folder to stop anyone erasing my device by accident(!).
If I need to clear my device I can delete the file and the original ClearStorage.exe is still there.
Try it yourself.
There is no easy way to save space.
If you want to load your apps to ROM and delete the crap ones that come with the OS this will work, but you will have to decode the ROM, edit the hive files, re-encode the ROM and flash it.
This is no small task, but it can be done (I plan on doing it myself actually).
Wow - This is fantastic. In just a short amount of time I have saved several meg of space, and some programs (such as TomTom) run significantly faster.
Superb!
Cheers
Rowan
Amazing. My Big Storage now BIGGER
Some results (on a Wizard)
MS Communicator Mobile - Compressed the exe and one dll down to 33% (1.3mb). The app would not run with one dll (lclang-res96.dll) compressed.
GoodLink - Compressed GoodApp.exe (the biggest file) from 3.5mb to 1.2mb successfully, however by compressing the largest dll (GoodLinkRes_EN.dll) I lost the soft key labels (and probably some other stuff).
TomTom Navigator - 41%
MS VoiceCommand - Compressed from 1.6mb to .6mb
Those were my big files on my device. Using UPX gained me an extra 6mb storage memory - which was a 50% increase (I went from 12 to 18 ). Off to try it now on my Storage Card apps.
Also, .NET files are not currently supported.
Is this possible? I've placed a file in the storage card but when I click on it the screen jumps to "settings" then "today" but the file isn't on the list of choices
Any thoughts?
Cheers
marto.
You have to copy it to the phone's \My Documents folder or |My Pictures in order for it to show up as a choice for your Today Screen theme.
I assume your talking about the "my doc/my pic" folders on the unit and not on the memory card?
What I want is to keep the .tsk files on the card to save space on the mini.
:? marto.
Hello,
Create a folder named My Documents in storage card and place your .tsk files there to get recognized by the device
marto_martin said:
I assume your talking about the "my doc/my pic" folders on the unit and not on the memory card?
What I want is to keep the .tsk files on the card to save space on the mini.
:? marto.
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Yes -- I'm talking about the phone's memory. I have over 400 .tsk files on my storage card, but only copy over a weeks' worth at a time to my phone to use. Once I use it, I delete it. So, at the end of the week, they've all been deleted from the device memory and I copy over 7 more for the next week.
A weeks' worth of files isn't going to take up much storage memory -- about 500 - 600K, and 80 - 100K is being deleted daily as they get used.
I've tried to create a shortcut in the \My Documents folder on the device to use the .tsk file directly from the SD card (which would only use about 45 - 60 bytes), but that didn't work, so the afore-mentioned will have to do for now.
Cheers for that Newbie2 8)
Yep your doing exactly the same as what I am. Obviously thinking the same too a shortcut from the storage card
Bummer with the results though...
marto
Try putting them in the root of the storage card - works on my wizard
while we are on the subject of memory limitation annoyances,
is it possibile to get photos and videos automaticly saved onto the SD card insted of the precious internal memory?
Hello,
Ofcourse it is possible! Get into camera, settings/tools and choose the place to save files.
Carty said:
Hello,
Ofcourse it is possible! Get into camera, settings/tools and choose the place to save files.
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Ahh, how did i miss that. nice one.
Hi guys and gals.
I only have 2 more issues with the Ameo at present, then I'm a happy camper.
1) Video playback (will start a new thread after some serious investigations and various setups have been explored).
2) This is a big one, but maybe I'm doing something wrong. I'm having serious problems moving large items of data to the MD via ActiveSync (AS). Not only is it damned slow, but it seems to start and then stop transfers of data if a file is big,...like a 700Mb DVD rip or even a 250Mb movie in any video format.
The only success I have had in that area is to transfer these files to SD card and then move it to MD afterwards...and that is evn slower than through AS!!
It is very frustrating for me as the 8GB is one of the major features for my intended use of the Ameo.
I am now trying to break down amovie into smaller chapters to see if I can transfer it that way, but this is ridiculous and should not be necessary. I've had a Micro Drive WM smartphone before but that was working just like mass storage device and gave no problems.
So I suppose the logical question is...is there any way to get the Athena to be recognized as a mass storage device? I've checked the CD's and there is no such software for it there. I've read the manual and that only states that data is transferred from PC to Micro Drive via useless Active Sync!
Hope someone else has a workaround for this, or maybe it's just my device or PC setup??!!
In any event there is another niggling problem in connection to this;
If moving large photo albums via Active sync, I have to make all files (hidden) to be seen in order to delete any 'database' file relating to the photos, else AS rejects the whole data transfer once it sees these automatically XP generated database files.
Once these files are deleted (do not re-enter the folder was you've deleted the database file else another one is generated!!) the transfer goes ahead smoothly...even if you have hundreds of photos in one folder.
Anybofy else experience this, or is it just me?
mackaby007 said:
Hi guys and gals.
I only have 2 more issues with the Ameo at present, then I'm a happy camper.
1) Video playback (will start a new thread after some serious investigations and various setups have been explored).
2) This is a big one, but maybe I'm doing something wrong. I'm having serious problems moving large items of data to the MD via ActiveSync (AS). Not only is it damned slow, but it seems to start and then stop transfers of data if a file is big,...like a 700Mb DVD rip or even a 250Mb movie in any video format.
The only success I have had in that area is to transfer these files to SD card and then move it to MD afterwards...and that is evn slower than through AS!!
It is very frustrating for me as the 8GB is one of the major features for my intended use of the Ameo.
I am now trying to break down amovie into smaller chapters to see if I can transfer it that way, but this is ridiculous and should not be necessary. I've had a Micro Drive WM smartphone before but that was working just like mass storage device and gave no problems.
So I suppose the logical question is...is there any way to get the Athena to be recognized as a mass storage device? I've checked the CD's and there is no such software for it there. I've read the manual and that only states that data is transferred from PC to Micro Drive via useless Active Sync!
Hope someone else has a workaround for this, or maybe it's just my device or PC setup??!!
In any event there is another niggling problem in connection to this;
If moving large photo albums via Active sync, I have to make all files (hidden) to be seen in order to delete any 'database' file relating to the photos, else AS rejects the whole data transfer once it sees these automatically XP generated database files.
Once these files are deleted (do not re-enter the folder was you've deleted the database file else another one is generated!!) the transfer goes ahead smoothly...even if you have hundreds of photos in one folder.
Anybofy else experience this, or is it just me?
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In the wm2003 environment, I used to have this utility called softick card export, whic allows the active sync to be bypassed and the unit recognised as a usb mass storage device. I used to port over my wikipedia (about 2.5GB in size for one sigle file) over with this.
However, my impression is that the WM5 version is not ready yet. I'm still looking for some equivalent product, or to wait for the WM5 version of softick.
eaglesteve said:
In the wm2003 environment, I used to have this utility called softick card export, whic allows the active sync to be bypassed and the unit recognised as a usb mass storage device. I used to port over my wikipedia (about 2.5GB in size for one sigle file) over with this.
However, my impression is that the WM5 version is not ready yet. I'm still looking for some equivalent product, or to wait for the WM5 version of softick.
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Thanks for the reply eaglesteve, but we got that sorted a few weeks ago by using WM5torage. Not as good as the Softick concept (as it doesn't rely on AS drivers), but it will do for now, as some people have also reported problems with the card export software under WM5 based Athenas.
hi all..whenever i try to copy a 500 mb video to device(in storgae or activesync mode)..nothing seems to happen...how long it should take to copy file of that size..
secondly IS THERE ANY WAY TO PUT LOUDSPEAKER OFF ON CAL!!!..its turning out to be very embarassing talking in public without headset...
dheerpat said:
hi all..whenever i try to copy a 500 mb video to device(in storgae or activesync mode)..nothing seems to happen...how long it should take to copy file of that size..
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Try CardExport II, setting it on Export Card mode. This bypasses ActiveStync and allows you to access the storage cards directly from your PC/Mac.
http://www.softick.com/cardexport2/
secondly IS THERE ANY WAY TO PUT LOUDSPEAKER OFF ON CAL!!!..its turning out to be very embarassing talking in public without headset...
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Use the volume slider on the left side. Push it down a couple times to get a barely audible volume. If the conversation is going to extend for more than a few sentences, I usually just ask them to hang on and grab my headset.
thanx...forgot to ask..any advise on reinstalling softwares after hard reset...its painful to again reinstal from cab files stored on hard drive,reinput serial numbers etc..presently i install all sw on hardrve
Use Sprite Backup (provided on the Athena software CD) prior to hard-reset, restore afterwards.
For mass USB storage, you may want to take a look at WM5torage version 1.71 (and not later !), which is free and a regular "must-have" for PocketPCs.
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Use Sprite Backup (provided on the Athena software CD) prior to hard-reset, restore afterwards.
For mass USB storage, you may want to take a look at WM5torage version 1.71 (and not later !), which is free and a regular "must-have" for PocketPCs.
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version 1.73 is also okay, but not later.
I'd suggest this, from the Athena Mobile 6 subforum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1839737&posted=1#post1839737
Card Reader mode is good - I've found it a lot more reliable than any version WM5torage, and there's also a Turbo Activesync mode, once you've pointed Windows at the driver, that is a LOT faster than standard Activesync for file copying.
no luck...put into turbo mode..starts copying...progress bar goes till 2 blocks,,then again goes blank..