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Share tips about freeing magician main memory

Lets share tips for freeing magician's main memory instead of replacing with 128...

Whats Ur tip ?

Here's mine:-
1. Learn how to use the built in applications to their max before adding 3rd party software.
2. Don't load anything into Main Memory that you can avoid. Use Storage and Storage Card instead.
3. Eye Candy = Memory Bloat. A recent Unit Conversion programme I tried needed 1.8MB FFS. A freeware equivalent which is just as functional but without the candy takes just 39K. Learn to live without it.
4. If you haven't used an app in the past month, delete it.
5. Delete programs that you only use to show others how cool your Jam is.
6. After a couple of months with the Jam, make a list of all software installed. Award points for the number of times you've used each app, and how inconvenienced you would have been if it wasn't there. Backup and Hard Reset. Install only those apps which got high use and inconvenience scores. This also gets rids of all the DLL junk that trial programs put in \Windows.

Do a full backup before first!
1. Use WinCE Cab manager to modify the installation path of CAB file before installation of the program. U could remove unnecessory file inside the cab too. (Some exe installation actually put the cab in yr desktop's C:\Program files or C:\program fies\MS Activesync, modify it w/ WinCE Cab manager before actually install the program to yr pda)
2. Use Memmaid (need $) or SystemPath (freeware) to move some DLLs to storage or SD card.
The following better do it w/ Resco File Explorer w/ "hide files in rom" so U know better what U can delete:
3. Some software (Resco file explorer, Pocket plus) leaves some "help wizard" graphic files in Windows directry after installation. Use yr photo album to screen and remove them
4. Many html help files in Windows and Windows\help can be remove safely if U never look at them before. (I wonder anyone ever look at them)
5. Remove unnecessory or unuse templates and file in MyDocuments
Even though I got a lot of software installed (including the MS Voice Command installed in Storage) . I still get 35mb of main memory left.

I cancel the extended Rom install then just install what I wanted. the patches and configuration Cab I installed. But I did not install fax software Caller ID etc which I never use. wow now I have a lot of main memory

I cancel the extended Rom install then just install what I wanted. the patches and configuration Cab I installed. But I did not install fax software Caller ID etc which I never use. wow now I have a lot of main memory

Anonymous said:
I cancel the extended Rom install then just install what I wanted. the patches and configuration Cab I installed. But I did not install fax software Caller ID etc which I never use. wow now I have a lot of main memory
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How can you choose which apps to be installed? I don't want thw fax and intellipad...

Do a hardreset ( Softreset and on key ) .. and when U have set up the PPC .. and it says tap on screen .... U just do a PIN reset ( soft reset ) so it dont install the Extrom software.. after the softreset .. its a clean 2003 SE ..
U then use fileExplorer to install whats in the now visible External rom.
I didnt install any intelli stuff on my s100 and gained almost 2mb just on that. ..
Carlis

Carlis said:
Do a hardreset ( Softreset and on key ) .. and when U have set up the PPC .. and it says tap on screen .... U just do a PIN reset ( soft reset ) so it dont install the Extrom software.. after the softreset .. its a clean 2003 SE ..
U then use fileExplorer to install whats in the now visible External rom.
I didnt install any intelli stuff on my s100 and gained almost 2mb just on that. ..
Carlis
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Can I extract the Caller ID and install it separately...cause I use it, but I do not use other apps in my rom?...
Regards,
Primoz
p.s. If is some other apps like Caller ID I could use instead of CID?...pls suggest...

yes you can. it is in another thread here in this forum.
after hard reset and first time setup (set location, calibrate screeen) you will be prompted that setup is complete tap screen to continue. after you tap the screen perform a soft reset this will stop the auto install and you can choose what you want to put on your device by looking at EXT ROM folder. I've just finished hard resetting and have opted not to install JAVA midlet manager, Caller ID, and Fax. saves a lot of mem i think.
the only thing i installed on main memory is resco explorer, omegaone batt pack pro, sbsh pocketbreeze and pocketweather (3 out of 4 are today plug-ins and I wanted them to load faster) I have my tones in 'Storage' instead of \Windows\Rings\

Find this freeware and install it: clearnotify_install
It removes a lot the crap that end up in memory in a soft reset. It added like 8MB of free main memory back for me.
Ineedtoys said:
A recent Unit Conversion programme I tried needed 1.8MB FFS. A freeware equivalent which is just as functional but without the candy takes just 39K.
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Which one?

skagen said:
Find this freeware and install it: clearnotify_install
It removes a lot the crap that end up in memory in a soft reset. It added like 8MB of free main memory back for me.
Ineedtoys said:
A recent Unit Conversion programme I tried needed 1.8MB FFS. A freeware equivalent which is just as functional but without the candy takes just 39K.
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Which one?
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U can use a very usefull calc program...1-calc (not free :roll: )...you can install it on the SD card!
Regards,
Primoz
p.s. bnycastro thx for the tip!

I transfer dll files from tha windows/appmgr folder and put them in the system folder in the storage card. Then change the values in the registry with resco. Works great.

mannyman2 said:
I transfer dll files from tha windows/appmgr folder and put them in the system folder in the storage card. Then change the values in the registry with resco. Works great.
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Can U give me more instructions how to do that...pls :wink:
Do U have some problems....like apps not responding or sth else?...cause if U read in some other threads if U change the default ring dirctory to the SD card after a while it put back the default ring tone...from windows directory. Looks like the SD card when not used is put in like "sleep mode"... :roll:
Regards,
Primoz

i'm with primoz on this! how do you know which dll are safe to move? and how do you modify the apps to look at which dll???
also would like to streamline my JAM (did a hard reset this am and did not install EXT ROM stuff except MMS client and the patches) am using 8.82MB of RAM for storage.
I have bought tweaks2k2 and did the scan/move of dlls it only moved 1 dll. it said i could do it manually but am afraid.
Apps in Main Memory:
OmegaOne BattPack Pro
SBSH PocketBreeze (I know it is a bit big but it is a today plugin so I want it loading fast)
SBSH PocketWeather (Used to have this in SD but it was very slow, again this is a today plugin)
Resco Explorer (of course I wanted this in main so I can browse other cards)
JAM camera patch
Scarybear Check Notifications
SanDisk Wi-Fi SD Card Drivers
Pocket Bluetooth Tools
Greensoftware GS Battery Monitor
Apps in SD:
Astraware Bejeweled
Astraware Insaniquarim
Astraware TextTwist
Astraware Zuma
HnH Eng Chi Dict
MOBEM Mconvert
Illium Soft eWallet
Agile Mobile Messenger
Aidem Majong Academy
Sprite PocketBackup
Macromedia Flash Player ActiveX

bnycastro I have done a hard reset as said in this forum. Before I`ve got about 13megs of used ram for appz installed in main memory. After a hard reset I have about 8megs of used ram and I`m happy . Some appz have installed in to storage, other (larger) on the SD card. From the ext_rom I just installed the MMS and caller ID....and some patches (don`t know why they are needed). I would like to upgrade memory to 128mb...but is too expensyve...and the only company that performs this is too far away (France I think)...
Regards,
Primoz

bnycastro said:
i'm with primoz on this! how do you know which dll are safe to move? and how do you modify the apps to look at which dll???
also would like to streamline my JAM (did a hard reset this am and did not install EXT ROM stuff except MMS client and the patches) am using 8.82MB of RAM for storage.
I have bought tweaks2k2 and did the scan/move of dlls it only moved 1 dll. it said i could do it manually but am afraid.
Apps in Main Memory:
OmegaOne BattPack Pro
SBSH PocketBreeze (I know it is a bit big but it is a today plugin so I want it loading fast)
SBSH PocketWeather (Used to have this in SD but it was very slow, again this is a today plugin)
Resco Explorer (of course I wanted this in main so I can browse other cards)
JAM camera patch
Scarybear Check Notifications
SanDisk Wi-Fi SD Card Drivers
Pocket Bluetooth Tools
Greensoftware GS Battery Monitor
Apps in SD:
Astraware Bejeweled
Astraware Insaniquarim
Astraware TextTwist
Astraware Zuma
HnH Eng Chi Dict
MOBEM Mconvert
Illium Soft eWallet
Agile Mobile Messenger
Aidem Majong Academy
Sprite PocketBackupMacromedia Flash Player ActiveX
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Why Sprite at all if space is a consideration? Doesn't the Xbackup that comes with the Jam work for you? Ir does Sprite do anythign different?

primoz: we are on the same boat as they say. i also have done hard reset and now only installed patches and caller id (no dialer and other stuff). The 128mb ram upgrade is also avialable in the US but I am in the Philippines the shipping alone would be expensive!!!
skagen: spritepocket backup is the best backup utility out there imo. it has scheduled backups (i.e. my pocketpc is scheduled to backup every 3am) battery monitoring (i.e. my pocketpc will run a backup when my battery hits 25%--this is user defined), you can make self-restoring backups (just tap and it will restore even without the app installed) it is very powerful (you can choose what to backup/restore) and worth the $$. this app has saved me from alot of heartache and headache a couple of times already you should try it out xBackup is poo compared to this app.

bnycastro said:
[/b]OmegaOne BattPack Pro
SBSH PocketBreeze (I know it is a bit big but it is a today plugin so I want it loading fast)
SBSH PocketWeather (Used to have this in SD but it was very slow, again this is a today plugin)
Resco Explorer (of course I wanted this in main so I can browse other cards)
JAM camera patch
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All of the above can be put into the 7.6mb storage, including the various crap that Resco spews all over the Windows dir Use whereismyram to find which files in \Windows are in RAM, use systempath to create a dir in \Storage, and move pretty much everything. I've got tons of apps installed on mine, but only 1.5mb of stuff in RAM - everything else is in \Storage or the SD card.

Primez...
Anytime I install a new software I always choose to install into my 1GB SD Edge card. You can use Cab Manager if you want a more detailed result of what files go where, but I just search the registry with Resco Registry and change the paths to point to the storage card. dll files I purposely put in system folder. I've had a couple of problems with very minimal software such as batter back pro. But overall I have 85% of my software in Storage Card. Let's make this thread better, so that we can avoid upgrading to 128mb's. I have like 30 programs already and have 35 mb's of main memory left.
Look in Windows\AppMgr and copy a dll file into the system folder in the storage card, do not cut it. You can do same with Windows directory. Then change the value in the registry in every instance that you find it. Then soft reset the device to make sure you get no errors. Start the program and see if it works. If it does, delete the original dll file and do a soft reset. Try the program again. If it works you're good to go, if it doesn't then you found a toughy and move on. Remember to do full backups, if you do then you should not be scared to do anything for you can always restore.
Manster

Please share your experience about using the Storage

I use the Storage to store some DLLs to save space. It works, not for all programs though.
Have tried installing programs to storage before (Journal Bar and Avantgo) but system seemed to be unstable afterwards.
Wonder if anyone has any good experience of storing and running other programs from Storage.
Also, has anyone tried installing the cab files from extended rom to Storage??? Is that possible at all???

RE
Yes, you can use Storage to store your cab files for the EXTROM.
BTW, program cab files for Storage and EXTROM are those that don't upgrade frequently otherwise you'll have to hard reset frequently too

Using Storage or Storage Cards should be avoided for anything on the today screen or anything which is bound to a hardware button. This is because the SD drivers take a little time to initialise when the device powers up and can result in files not being found - which can lead to small or big problems, depending on the nature of the 'missing' file.
This is why Pocket Plus cannot be installed in Storage any more and why Pocket Informant recommends installation into main memory. This is documented both by Spb Software House and WebIS.
I was beta testing SpbWeather and had some of the skins installed to Storage - whenever I used those skins, the plug-in was icon-less on power up, but main memory skins were fine.

As mentioned above, be careful selecting where to install Today Screen plug-ins.
As of the Storage, well I am not sure but I recommed you put in SMALL items in there since the storage becomes unstable at times because to OS may use a little of the Storage space to accomodate memory intensive applications like Adobe Acrobat. Correct me if I am wrong but this is what I understand about it.

Mvmajorem said:
As mentioned above, be careful selecting where to install Today Screen plug-ins.
As of the Storage, well I am not sure but I recommed you put in SMALL items in there since the storage becomes unstable at times because to OS may use a little of the Storage space to accomodate memory intensive applications like Adobe Acrobat. Correct me if I am wrong but this is what I understand about it.
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Ther is so little storage there, why not just ignore it and use SD memory, or main memory where required?

I use storage to store my wma ringtones... haven't have the guts to move the DLLs yet. with regards to this... if i create a folder named Windows in Storage and move all my DLLs there would I need to hack into the apps individually ang make them look at this folder... or will the OS automatically look at both folders? Some people say to use systempath to do this.

bnycastro said:
I use storage to store my wma ringtones... haven't have the guts to move the DLLs yet. with regards to this... if i create a folder named Windows in Storage and move all my DLLs there would I need to hack into the apps individually ang make them look at this folder... or will the OS automatically look at both folders? Some people say to use systempath to do this.
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As I know U have to hack the registry files of single appz to point in to storage folder instead in the main memory... :roll:
Regards,
Primoz

belfast-biker said:
Ther is so little storage there, why not just ignore it and use SD memory, or main memory where required?
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It's 10% of the device's memory, that's not insignificant and certainly not worth wasting. I store 13.2Mb of utilities and etc. in Storage so that it frees up the same amount of Main Memory but permits me to use them when swapping cards. I think it's a waste not to use it.

Into my Storage i have install :
Resco keyboard pro
Laplink controller
Handymenu
Hottbutton plus
Phone today
Today phone pro
VIto voice dialer
Used space for all this 3.21 mb
Free space 4.31 mb
I Don't have any problem at all, my JAM works smoothly & stable plus the today plugins run faster than ever...
Try with no doubt ...

Tomtom Clearout

I have copied Navigator 5 to a larger SD card so I have space for other files but it still takes up too much space & leaves some empty folders lying around..
What other files/folders can I remove withoy affecting Tomtom, how about the 2577, Palm, Raster & Schemes folders?
Mike

Mikew said:
how about the 2577, Palm, Raster & Schemes folders?
Mike
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yep I ditched them with no problem

you need 2577 if you want auto-install to work

Does anyone have TT residing ONLY on the SD, in other words the .exe and its other \program files\navigator contents? I install most apps now to the SD, except those like PZP and any today plugin apps like PocketBreeze (has anyone installed THAT to SD and if so, how does it perform?).
Cheers
Ant

TTN CANNOT reside exclusively on SD card. You need at least "\My Documents\TomTom\CurrentMap.dat" in the main storage (or in RAM on older machines).

Storing .tsk onto memory card?

Is this possible? I've placed a file in the storage card but when I click on it the screen jumps to "settings" then "today" but the file isn't on the list of choices
Any thoughts?
Cheers
marto.

You have to copy it to the phone's \My Documents folder or |My Pictures in order for it to show up as a choice for your Today Screen theme.

I assume your talking about the "my doc/my pic" folders on the unit and not on the memory card?
What I want is to keep the .tsk files on the card to save space on the mini.
:? marto.

Hello,
Create a folder named My Documents in storage card and place your .tsk files there to get recognized by the device

marto_martin said:
I assume your talking about the "my doc/my pic" folders on the unit and not on the memory card?
What I want is to keep the .tsk files on the card to save space on the mini.
:? marto.
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Yes -- I'm talking about the phone's memory. I have over 400 .tsk files on my storage card, but only copy over a weeks' worth at a time to my phone to use. Once I use it, I delete it. So, at the end of the week, they've all been deleted from the device memory and I copy over 7 more for the next week.
A weeks' worth of files isn't going to take up much storage memory -- about 500 - 600K, and 80 - 100K is being deleted daily as they get used.
I've tried to create a shortcut in the \My Documents folder on the device to use the .tsk file directly from the SD card (which would only use about 45 - 60 bytes), but that didn't work, so the afore-mentioned will have to do for now.

Cheers for that Newbie2 8)
Yep your doing exactly the same as what I am. Obviously thinking the same too a shortcut from the storage card
Bummer with the results though...
marto

Try putting them in the root of the storage card - works on my wizard

while we are on the subject of memory limitation annoyances,
is it possibile to get photos and videos automaticly saved onto the SD card insted of the precious internal memory?

Hello,
Ofcourse it is possible! Get into camera, settings/tools and choose the place to save files.

Carty said:
Hello,
Ofcourse it is possible! Get into camera, settings/tools and choose the place to save files.
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Ahh, how did i miss that. nice one.

Change Ringtone Folder to Storage Card

Hello All,
If I copy the ringtones to my storage card the phone (TD2) does not show those ringtone files.
But if I copy the files to main storage (My Documents\Ringtones) it does work.
Is it not possible to have/store my ringtones @ storage card instead of main storage? If YES, Please advice.
Thanks.

Create folder in storage card e.g. "Ringtones" and change path in registry. I've read about it in this forum but can't remember where.
edit : I think the regisrty path is HKLM\Software\HTC\AudioManager_Eng\Config\so there change key ring_tone_path from \My Documents\My Ringtones to \StorageCard\Ringtones

prdic said:
Create folder in storage card e.g. "Ringtones" and change path in registry. I've read about it in this forum but can't remember where.
edit : I think the regisrty path is HKLM\Software\HTC\AudioManager_Eng\Config\so there change key ring_tone_path from \My Documents\My Ringtones to \StorageCard\Ringtones
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Thanks for the reply. I will try this out. Can you point me to the location where I can download the Registry editor.
Also it will be grt if you can point me to Total Commander for MW too.
Thanks.

Here is regedit and here is tcmd. Tcmd has own registry editor as well, in Plugins/registry.

prdic said:
Here is regedit and here is tcmd. Tcmd has own registry editor as well, in Plugins/registry.
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Thanks for the links.
I have downloaded the regedit (Smartphone 2000, 2003 ARM/PXA) downloaded the CAB in my storage card and installed the application in my device. It installed successfuly and I can see the application in my all programs.
But issue is:
when I start the RegEdit I can see HKCR, HKCU, HKLM AND HKUSERS. But I cant open those keys.. mean there is no sub folders.... I sthere any thing I am missing... or I should download the PocketPC edition 2000, 2003 one?

Can you explain just exactly what it is you are trying to do and why?

You have to download PPC edition. Smartphone is device without touch screen.

prdic said:
You have to download PPC edition. Smartphone is device without touch screen.
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OK Thanks for your input. I will do that today when I go home .
Thanks.

pa49 said:
Can you explain just exactly what it is you are trying to do and why?
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I am trying to make my phone read Ringtones from my Memory Card. This require some registry change which "prdic" is trying to help me.

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If I go to the folder on my storage card which includes any sound file (mp3s included) tap and hold the file name an option pop up menu gives just what I think you are looking for!
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pa49 said:
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If I go to the folder on my storage card which includes any sound file (mp3s included) tap and hold the file name an option pop up menu gives just what I think you are looking for!
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He don't want the ringtones to be stored on the main memory I'm pretty sure, that's why he asked for this.

ArtieQ said:
He don't want the ringtones to be stored on the main memory I'm pretty sure, that's why he asked for this.
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That's why I asked what he EXACTLY was trying to do!

And BTW what's wrong with storing on main memory?

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And BTW what's wrong with storing on main memory?
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Taking up memory? =) Main memory should be used only for \Windows and such, not ringtones, music or pictures. Also it's nice to have all programs on \Storage Card.

ArtieQ said:
Taking up memory? =) Main memory should be used only for \Windows and such, not ringtones, music or pictures. Also it's nice to have all programs on \Storage Card.
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Yes I know this one. I've heard it many times before and I've had long forum discussions about it in the past.
May be we should start another thread for those who many have missed the two sides of the argument?

prdic said:
You have to download PPC edition. Smartphone is device without touch screen.
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The PCC edition is working fine in TD2. Thanks.

pa49 said:
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If I go to the folder on my storage card which includes any sound file (mp3s included) tap and hold the file name an option pop up menu gives just what I think you are looking for!
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This does work, but I dont want the ringtones to be stored in Main memory or being copied to \My Documents\My Ringtones folder. So I was looking for any config change where it should point to the folder that I want .
PS:
- The Registry change that "prdic" suggested does not work. I tried with \Storage Card\<MyFolder> and \StorageCard\<MyFolder> both did not worked for me. I restarted the mobile too after change.
- And "ArtieQ" you are correct, I dont want the Main Memory to be used for the reasons explained by you. Thanks for that.

prabhat said:
This does work, but I dont want the ringtones to be stored in Main memory or being copied to \My Documents\My Ringtones folder. So I was looking for any config change where it should point to the folder that I want .
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- The Registry change that "prdic" suggested does not work. I tried with \Storage Card\<MyFolder> and \StorageCard\<MyFolder> both did not worked for me. I restarted the mobile too after change.
- And "ArtieQ" you are correct, I dont want the Main Memory to be used for the reasons explained by you. Thanks for that.
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Don't get me wrong, I now understand what you you want.
I just don't understand why you want it.
The 'reasons' explained are preferences and accessing memory card storage will slow the process down as it's not as fast as main storage so what is the advantage to using mem card in this way?
OS runs in it's own area so this is not compromised and there's plenty of RAM for any files or apps to be located without problem. This area is faster than mem card as well.
Also if you change mem card for any reason you loose the links anyway.
Plus with all these extra OS calls across the mem bus you run the risk of freezes.
If you need a loaf of bread in a hurry you go to the nearest shop!
ArtieQ-
Can you explain further please?
"Taking up memory? =) Main memory should be used only for \Windows and such, not ringtones, music or pictures. Also it's nice to have all programs on \Storage Card."
Why should main memory only be use for \Windows and such etc?
And why is it nice to have all programs on \Storage Card?
I ask this because I can't see any technical reason for it and I believe it cause operating problems if its done!

pa49 said:
ArtieQ-
Can you explain further please?
"Taking up memory? =) Main memory should be used only for \Windows and such, not ringtones, music or pictures. Also it's nice to have all programs on \Storage Card."
Why should main memory only be use for \Windows and such etc?
And why is it nice to have all programs on \Storage Card?
I ask this because I can't see any technical reason for it and I believe it cause operating problems if its done!
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1. More memory available = Better performance, and a storage card is used for music and such isn't it? That's the reason why main memory only is 800mb.
2. All programs on storage card instead of main memory = More RAM available = Better performance.

I don't know if it helps, but you can change the location of "My Documents" all together to storage card by using Advanced Config --> Locations.
As for myself, I prefer having the mp3-ringtones in phone memory for quicker access.