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R.I.P Sony Ericssons + Windows Mobile connection

Today markes the day that Sony Ericsson Ends it partnership with Wm, I guess the Next smartphone the X2 Will either be for Symbian S60 or Google's Android OS. Welll the had a good run with windows mobile but now its over.
But Atleast We know that there will be/could be a PSP Phone coming.

Source plz.

I'm not surprised. SE was barely involved in SEX1 developement, x1 is HTC device excluded panels... And even panels... I don't know how much has been developed by SE
so, who cares basically? I purchased X1 'cause I need a qwerty small device... that's it

Here You Go!!
http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/009/05/sony_ericsson_to_dump_windows_mobile.htm

Thats true, Thats why i nvr Bought one. But its a little sad that no more inovative things for Wm like panals. But its okay tho.

The article is barely a reliable source to confirm that SE is ending partnership with Microsoft.
The rumor has been been going around since even before X1 was launched and if Ericsson is really off loading their shares to Sony, if i remember correctly Sony was always a big fan of Windows Mobile.

mkouk said:
The article is barely a reliable source to confirm that SE is ending partnership with Microsoft.
The rumor has been been going around since even before X1 was launched and if Ericsson is really off loading their shares to Sony, if i remember correctly Sony was always a big fan of Windows Mobile.
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Well this time it is most likely true because First there sales for the flagship X1 sucked, second There phones arent selling so there losing money, Third Wm is the MOST expensive OS out there, so there trying to cut cost and maybe save them self from Spliting up. There almost sdoing as bad as Motorola. And ya

I heard a rumour that it was the andriod phones that are likely to be reduced or stopped by companies like sony and a few others as it does not really hold its own market. i think people see it like symbian for normal phones and mw for business. android is like iphone but companies are thinking if u want something like iphone u would buy an iphone.
not saying the rumour is true as there is at the mo nothing to back it up but i hear that was what a lot of mobile phones companies were thinking

Ya, and i have use Symbian i Wm has just 2 things over it, 1 Its UI is very costumizable and Its great intergration with everything Windows. But symbian has Way better res 16 million colors, better Costumizablility Video ring and others, better more stable Wi-Fi connection, Faster too. So really X2 would be alot better on symbian even.

Rumors, nothing else. (it's a symbian "fan-page" )

luxactor said:
Rumors, nothing else. (it's a symbian "fan-page" )
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But It also says android, Also there saying what the head of Ericsson said so it couldn't be to far from The truth. But I think its true, Bad Pofits+Low selling Wm phones+ EXPENSIVE OS($99 each Vs $29 s60 vs Free android)=Bye Bye Window Phones, And For them to Truly have a High tech Phone and Feature packed the cant Us wm, cuz it doesn't support alot of things I.e OMINIA HD left Wm because it couldnt support half the things it has especially HD. But maybe Windows Phone 7 will change that.

workingman, your specific facts are all wrong, all your arguments are retarded and your source is just pure speculation of a dumb writer. go back to your homes citizens nothing interesting here.

THE GRIZZ said:
workingman, your specific facts are all wrong, all your arguments are retarded and your source is just pure speculation of a dumb writer. go back to your homes citizens nothing interesting here.
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"Go back to your home" What are you a racist. I bet you voted for McCain. Wow havent heard something like that for a while But hmmmm I dont know, maybe your right. Just because I work As a Firmware engineer For samsung in California i dont know anything right.... Sorry. I guess a person that most likely works a walmart knows more than me.

I also bought the X1 because it is just an amazing phone. Although I owned two SE-phones before the X1 I never thought that I HAVE to buy a SE-phone again... The X1 is a HTC device and I think it opened the HTC-window for many SE-users; I think the X1 is a better commercial success for HTC then for HTC, because SE will loose with the X2 at least all the users that don't like Android and Symbian (including me).
With the X1 I said in fact 'goodbye SE', 'hello HTC'

workingman said:
"Go back to your home" What are you a racist. I bet you voted for McCain. Wow havent heard something like that for a while But hmmmm I dont know, maybe your right. Just because I work As a Firmware engineer For samsung in California i dont know anything right.... Sorry. I guess a person that most likely works a walmart knows more than me.
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label me whatever you like . that does not change the fact that you are spreading garbage based on a very dumb article writen by a symbian "freak" (pun intended) and a very retarded speculation from your part.
the recent development in software and some of the leaks about the x2 hardware (better keyboard, based on 6.5..etc) as mentioned in the other thread suggests that SE are committed to WM.

de Wolfe said:
I also bought the X1 because it is just an amazing phone. Although I owned two SE-phones before the X1 I never thought that I HAVE to buy a SE-phone again... The X1 is a HTC device and I think it opened the HTC-window for many SE-users; I think the X1 is a better commercial success for HTC then for HTC, because SE will loose with the X2 at least all the users that don't like Android and Symbian (including me).
With the X1 I said in fact 'goodbye SE', 'hello HTC'
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True, True, But ya. I think your right with that But another reason i like the X1 is because of the designe , Thats why i like most Phone, I mean teh OS is very important to me BUt if The feature List is Killer like The Upcoming Nokia n97(which i already pre-odered for $750). Its sooo advanced that i would give Up the best OS out there WM for a less advanced but still good S60. You gatta be open minded when it comes to OS's. I have owned and used all the Mobile Os. Android, Mac, S60, RIM, Wm, Palm and touch wiz, so i know what i am talking about when i say what i say. Now i am using the HTC HD because its super sexy, In 1 month ill be using the Nokia N97 because its sexier, Way more features, 32 GIGS of memory, 3.5 inch screen With 16:9 Res, NOW no Phone can top that. Can you name one, that has better features?

Oh well, windows mobile is actually a really good OS.
I have an iphone, blackberry bold, nokia n82, and my beloved Xperia X1i.
That being said, I've come to learn and know about almost every OS, of course there's Android which I probably will not experience.
I love Windows Mobile. Symbian is quite responsive, but simplistic.
The iphone's OS is also simple, beautiful, and good for gaming.
Blackberry's OS is mainly for eye candy and business, I couldn't really find many games on its platform.
Android, not too sure!

Heres a little proof That Sony ericsson is starting its move FROM WM http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...-foxconn-sourced-android-phones-from-sony-er/
But also you could be right that the are not gonna completely Move. I can admit to my wrong, But im say theres a huge chance there gonna start to move away from WM
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...-epic-quarterly-loss-adds-another-round-of-j/
Like this is the years flagship phone and guess what its a symbian OS phone UHHHH
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_idou-2683.php

gundamboy said:
Oh well, windows mobile is actually a really good OS.
I have an iphone, blackberry bold, nokia n82, and my beloved Xperia X1i.
That being said, I've come to learn and know about almost every OS, of course there's Android which I probably will not experience.
I love Windows Mobile. Symbian is quite responsive, but simplistic.
The iphone's OS is also simple, beautiful, and good for gaming.
Blackberry's OS is mainly for eye candy and business, I couldn't really find many games on its platform.
Android, not too sure!
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Yes your Right.. I dont think anyone on this web site can say the have had a better OS(even me) but im just saying SE is loving Wm now. Did you know that the Have only made 1 Wm phone and the sales were BAD, All other smartphones have been Symbian(which i like because how it interhrates everything into its Ui(which cant be costumizedbut okay)
For example The P series, M series G series and W series.

your silly topic is now your signature. seriously dude, you have issues
-SE releasing android does not mean leaving WM. it just means they are experimenting with something new . SE said they were supporting android since LAST YEAR.
-your other links (idou and SE losing money) are pointless and irrelevant here
-whare the hell did you come up with the wm OS price and the very poor X1 sales numbers??!!!!!!!!!!!!!

letter to SE CEO has been published today..

check this out:
http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2009/bert-letter-en.shtml
its real ,and he hits the week points of SE

"Real innovations have been substituted by dreams. As a consumer I'm offered rapidly aging and overpriced phones that have no future on the market under the guise of 'state-of-the-art solutions'. Another manifestation of the company's dishonesty was when Sony Ericsson tried to persuade me via weak PR and advertising that these were marvelous products."
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Well, this guy is nailing it! Spot on! Dishonesty is the right word. Persuasion and promises without any real world backing.
"oh looky looky the X1 with the AMAZING panels that are going to change your everyday live" - oh yeah, it's one year after that and there are a handful of them. I haven't used any of them in months.
"oh looky looky the X2 is simply amazing cutting edge device with the fantastic tile panel" - oh yeah, very amazing with the pathetic old hardware and the annoying panel that is nothing more than a gimmick and is impossible to use on a daily basis.
Haha...

Damn!! This guy's got it spot on!
@nevermind: What was that u said, SE won't be phased if they loose me as a customer? Reality check, u guys are loosing it.
Imagine a current X1 user upgrading to a X2 and realising a couple of hours down the line that he just bought a re-glorified plastic encased X1 with an 8mp camera. lol
I really digged SE but as of late I've, and apparently more SE fanbois really felt as if though we've been cheated with the X1.
So, whatcha gonna do?

With have been cheated with the X2 not X1. Also, nevermind =/= SE.

the thing is how much we are annoyed with the x2, there is not any good phones coming for wm in the foreseeable future and the more i look the more i thing the x2 is the best looking most functional (with its keyboard) and although it lacks the cpu of some devices like the htc leo, the htc devices are so ugly i would never buy it.
it seems that if i get a x2 as a free replacement for my x1 i will be happy but if i dont i am happy to keep my x1 for now as the rest of the wm phones are not as good overall.
i dont really see the need for wm6.5 on the x1 as i have used both and dont think 6.5 is that much better but a r4 firmware update with the new drivers would be nice (although mine x1 is now tuned to be super fast and smooth apart from some games and videos).

Ganondolf said:
the thing is how much we are annoyed with the x2, there is not any good phones coming for wm in the foreseeable future and the more i look the more i thing the x2 is the best looking most functional (with its keyboard) and although it lacks the cpu of some devices like the htc leo, the htc devices are so ugly i would never buy it.
it seems that if i get a x2 as a free replacement for my x1 i will be happy but if i dont i am happy to keep my x1 for now as the rest of the wm phones are not as good overall.
i dont really see the need for wm6.5 on the x1 as i have used both and dont think 6.5 is that much better but a r4 firmware update with the new drivers would be nice (although mine x1 is now tuned to be super fast and smooth apart from some games and videos).
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Keep your X1, I wouldn't bother with X2. I find it a little insulting (at least if the reports of its pricing are true).

Hannigan174 said:
Keep your X1, I wouldn't bother with X2. I find it a little insulting (at least if the reports of its pricing are true).
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lol. i did say i would only get a x2 if they give it to me as a free replacement so it really does not matter how much sony decides to sell it for.

Major anouncement: Sony Ericsson renamed x2, to x1.5!!1

lol where you get that???
xperia 1.5....
why not 1.8 for the 8 mpx camera.
haha sounds funny
look here
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/corporate/products/phoneportfolio

hyellow said:
Major anouncement: Sony Ericsson renamed x2, to x1.5!!1
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lets try not to be childish

hyellow said:
Major anouncement: Sony Ericsson renamed x2, to x1.5!!1
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Please provide proof and links!!

Jasand said:
Please provide proof and links!!
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it obviously was a sneer to SE. Not real! but seriously, if they really called it x1.5 , i would consider buying it, because it'll probably be the only phone to have such a model name/number. And perhaps, x2 is not worth the x2 name, because of the minor improvements over x1. But..... x1.5 was just a joke, c'mon...

I spent a few years with SE's UIQ phones, and a similar thing happened there. Since Sony Ericsson WAS in practice UIQ (apart from one Motorola I think), not only did they terminally underspec the UIQ terminals, they actually killed the UIQ interface, which was a real shame, since it was a very stable and efficient phone OS.
Déjà vu...
If you look at the UIQ forum on my-symbian.com, you will see similar complaints, letters published to CEOs etc. There must be some serious disconnects in SE for this to happen with their flagship range(s).

It's called greed. Also, providing as little as possible and pricing it like a NASA prototype...
...and the poster with the 1.5 was OBVIOUSLY joking...

I hope sony respond positivley to this letter and turn their act around

When has an Internet campaign lead to anything? All these letters, petitions and campaigns are utterly pointless.
The only exception is the bringing back of Jericho, but is just the exception that proves the general rule. Plus, they annoyed the TV execs with the real world sending of nuts and other stuff. Maybe we should send something to SE. Hm... something smelly perhaps?

orelsi said:
When has an Internet campaign lead to anything? All these letters, petitions and campaigns are utterly pointless.
The only exception is the bringing back of Jericho, but is just the exception that proves the general rule. Plus, they annoyed the TV execs with the real world sending of nuts and other stuff. Maybe we should send something to SE. Hm... something smelly perhaps?
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Well its their loss - we only want to help >.<

Do you guys really believe they will ever exchange a broken x1 for an x2? I highly doubt it. I would love to get a x2 that way but i think it will never happen.

Stalix said:
Do you guys really believe they will ever exchange a broken x1 for an x2? I highly doubt it. I would love to get a x2 that way but i think it will never happen.
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Well maybe they will, if the x1's keep falling appart or have other weird issue's like mines that turns blue'ish when sliding open.. the screen cable gets a bit loosy when i slide it open. ( its already been in repairs once for that issue but back then it went off instead of turning blue.. )

orelsi said:
When has an Internet campaign lead to anything? All these letters, petitions and campaigns are utterly pointless.
The only exception is the bringing back of Jericho, but is just the exception that proves the general rule. Plus, they annoyed the TV execs with the real world sending of nuts and other stuff. Maybe we should send something to SE. Hm... something smelly perhaps?
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...aGREED!!

HD2 or XPERIA X10

Dear Members,
I am completely buffled and confused! I have heard millions of pocket pcs in the past years i am eager to have a change but i need your advise. Help me choose between the above devices.

Romani ite domum!

Donald24 said:
Romani ite domum!
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What on earth is this?

I was with a lot of doubts like you, until I see today the X10
It is THE **** of phone. The UI is ugly, and works like its running on a nintendo DS processor and 3fps, they dont have any advantage over HD2, NONE, and the release date is on march 2010 if all goes good.
not an option for me and a big fail for Sony.

i am surprised at how ugly the UI turned out. Also, the lag SHOULD be attributed to it being pre=release but it is so laggy that you have to assume some of that will make it into the final ROM

Alkali said:
Dear Members,
I am completely buffled and confused! I have heard millions of pocket pcs in the past years i am eager to have a change but i need your advise. Help me choose between the above devices.
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Considering the detailed description you gave regarding what you need your phone to do, it's obvious that the XPERIA is the phone for you.

You get the X10 and let us the HD2 gang know what you found out

I LoL'd
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Romani ite domum!
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Seriously, what have they ever done for us?

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Romani ite domum!
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Seriously, what have they ever done for us?

The X10 looks like a nice phone. I personally think it looks better aesthetically than the HD2, especially in White. The UI will probably be improved before it's released and run faster than 3 FPS. The 8MP camera is also a plus, and I'd take an SE camera over an HTC camera any day.
All that being said, the HD2 has the bigger screen and the support of xda-developers
That's all I need for me to consider the HD2 better. That and SE hasn't made a good flagship phone in years! I'd bet they are going to botch up the X10 somehow and it's pretty much guaranteed to go through a few delays traditional SE style

knowing sony's track record on their UI in the xperia line, i doubt if anything will be improved from the pre-release version to the release version. I feel bad for SE fans because i truly love their phones and also the most aesthetically looking phones out there in the market. Sadly, that's all they're good at. The UI on the X1 and X2 (especially the X2) have been under scrutiny for how slow and choppy they are and after seeing the hands-on video, it seems like the downward trend will continue.

Gang, this is not even a Windows Mobile device

Alkali said:
Dear Members,
I am completely buffled and confused! I have heard millions of pocket pcs in the past years i am eager to have a change but i need your advise. Help me choose between the above devices.
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pretty not much of a point to ask this question here or in Xperia X10, most of the responders here like me have had already bought over in our mind with HD2. And I would strongly recommend HD2 against Xperia X10 for many reasons, but this is entirely my preferences. I would think again if it is based on WinMO.

too bad history
lude219 said:
knowing sony's track record on their UI in the xperia line, i doubt if anything will be improved from the pre-release version to the release version. I feel bad for SE fans because i truly love their phones and also the most aesthetically looking phones out there in the market. Sadly, that's all they're good at. The UI on the X1 and X2 (especially the X2) have been under scrutiny for how slow and choppy they are and after seeing the hands-on video, it seems like the downward trend will continue.
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I back up this 100%
Sony promissed us to fix the X1 Xperia, it did not happen, Neither the P990 (freezing without warning), or the P910 . The P800 never got the pop mails to work 100% ...
Sorry Sony, track record is too bad ... never SE again

drwho? said:
I back up this 100%
Sony promissed us to fix the X1 Xperia, it did not happen, Neither the P990 (freezing without warning), or the P910 . The P800 never got the pop mails to work 100% ...
Sorry Sony, track record is too bad ... never SE again
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Dont remind me with the P990 which was my worst phone experience ever ... ever

I consider HD2 as a Business Phone...
Sony Xperia X10 is not a Business Phone at all. It even cannot show MS exchange emails in html format...
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learn from your mistakes
salamt said:
Dont remind me with the P990 which was my worst phone experience ever ... ever
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P990, P990 ... P990 ... We got to remember our mistakeS, SE take us for idiots ... a lot of promiss, never real fix ... Let's go for phone with working software, and that is not a SonyEricsson, i got the phones in my cabinets to prove it.
I clearly remember that X1 was suppose to get Windows mobile 7 .. we don t even get Win6.5 ... so ... bye bye SE, remember your mistakeS, so many companies finish the products, no reason to buy something unfinished.
To get a working X1, we got to develope hacks ... not what i call a good consumer support.

drwho? said:
I back up this 100%
Sony promissed us to fix the X1 Xperia, it did not happen, Neither the P990 (freezing without warning), or the P910 . The P800 never got the pop mails to work 100% ...
Sorry Sony, track record is too bad ... never SE again
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i have personal experience with most of this, agreed 110%

Now that some of you advise me to try X10,What do
I do with my WORD DOCUMENTS? Can I use them on ANDROID?

Alkali said:
Now that some of you advise me to try X10,What do
I do with my WORD DOCUMENTS? Can I use them on ANDROID?
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you'll have some time to find the best solution as the X10 won't be out for months - if SE are saying Q1 then that is a certainty for Q2 at the earliest...
Andoid does have the odd application that can use office files.

A Open E-Mail to Sony Ericsson from a Fan

PLEASE NOTE: THIS THREAD IS CREATED BECAUSE I SINCERLY LIKE SE AND NOT FOR BASHING SE. IF YOU WANT TO TROLL OR BASH SE CREATE A NEW THREAD
Dear Sony,
I am one of your avid Fan. Right from the beginning I was using SE phones only. To Mention a few I have used F500i, J230, K750, W810i, K810i, W980, W705 and now X10. So as you can see I was using SE right from 2004. I can say “If you have Once used Sony Erricson, you will always use SonyEricsson”.
Let me be very clear. I love you so much. I have defended SE in many forums from many trolls and iSheep bashers for many years. I did this because I love SE and I believe you will always gives me what is best out there.
But off late you are not living up to your fans belief. What the is wrong with you?
The last master piece from you was W810i. After that all your products disappoint me. K810i, W910i and W980i all of them were total disappointment for me. Off late all your products follow a certain approach, you will announce a very good product and then there will tremendous delays in bringing it to the market, after that i will have many software bugs and hardware failures. So before the product becomes complete it will become outdated..
If you refuse to believe I will give you proof.
Do you know W810i was announced in Feb ’06 and availability was Mar ’06.
K810i was announced in Feb’07 and availability was Apr 07.
W980 was announced in Feb’ 08 and availability was Aug 08.
W705 was announced in Oct’ 08 and availability was May 09.
Satio was announced in Feb’09 and availability was Nov ’09.
And Xperia X1, X2 and X10 every kid knows its delays and bugs.
What happened to you SE? There were long delays. Even after delays none of these phones lived up to its hype ( W980,W705, Satio and X10). You were the first to announce many technologies (8MP, 12MP camera, snapdragon with android phone, even 4" screen) but you were the last to bring it to the market with sky high prices. Where is my Old SE? where I can get all latest tech in a budget phone? Where are you SE?
And Like a Crown for all your failure, the X10 2.1 update. When other are pushing to bring 2.2 for their flag ship device, you cant even bring 2.1 to your Flag ship phone. Instead of bringing 2.2, you are back porting live wallpaper and 5 home screens to 1.6.
WHY THE HELL YOU ARE RE-INVENTING THE WHEEL?
Stop wasting your precious resources in back porting things. Move more resource to bring 2.2 to X10. If you cant alteast please open the bootloader.
X10 had everything to make you success but you missed it.. Good Design, Good Hardware (at Nov '09 nobody had this hardware) and Good Name (You have loyal fan base) and Perfect time (Think if it had been released during Christmas time).
X10 could have been your own iPhone or Droid. It could have been your golden egg but you missed it. What going on in your mind SE? If I can think all these, cant the armani wearing million dollar salaried EO's think? Have you lost it?
We have defended you so long SE but you are now disappointing us more. You even embarrass us by saying you turned down google (X10 as Nexus one would have been epic). Please don’t cheat us more SE. We love you but there is a limit for our patience. If you keep cheating us then Even God (I believe he is there) cant save you.
All I can say is please bring out Froyo update for X10 soon and with no bugs (We dont want 1000 new features we just want Bug less phone). After all you are a more talented company and you certainly deserve a second chance like Moto.
Please SE don’t disappoint us again and save yourself from bankruptcy. Please Make us Believe
---- A sincere, beaten, disappointed and embarrassed Sony Ericsson Fan .

A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language.
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class.
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets.
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market.
Good day sir!

Another point god or gods do not exist, therefore offer no threat.
Sent from my rooted android over9000 x10i using swype on the xda app.

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A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language. - Removed
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class. -- Removed
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2 - What I ment was they are back porting 2.1 features to 1.6 - Ambient time app
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets. But Total cost of ownership for a not so high end is high compared to other high end phones. This will be the thought of a average guy
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market. I agree. If they could had made things perfect like releasing with 2.1 and in december, they could have sold Millions in other countries too
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Good day to you too sir

Tasteslikeawesome said:
Another point god or gods do not exist, therefore offer no threat.
Sent from my rooted android over9000 x10i using swype on the xda app.
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I believe he is there But no Offense (Original post edited to reflect my view)
IF some one could send this to SE CEO, I would be glad. Or If you can pm me his mail-id, I will send it myself.
Thanks

No offense but what do you think you reach by sending this kind of letter to a CEO? No matter which company he is leading, this really is a "straight in the dustbin" letter for those managers...
Again no offense, you wrote down what you think, but I want to bet he don't read till the half of it, to try that out, you might put in the last sentence something about him having an affair with a dead horse, if you dont get anything back, I proved my point....
Sent from my rooted X10i using tapatalk

Gotta agree with PollPixx.
imo they don't go past the subject of e-mails... snail mail is a thing of past.
moreover they don't go over this stuff personally but their PA's etc do... separate the junk out and send in the "really important" stuff... but only god knows what that is (apart from them )

Looking away from the language, it is a fine letter to SE.
I have also only had SE phones private, starting with the old
Ericsson 318, Erisson t68
t280, t610, k530, k750, k810, k850
c905
w595, w715, w760
x10, x10 mini, x10 mini pro
My 3 kids have all had SE W595 and now they all have X10 mini.
Also i have only used SE for work in many years, currently i have a x10 mini pro...
At work it have been me that have decided what phones we have bought and used for the last 3-4 years, so i have been the main reason that we have only bought SE phones...
- that is over 250 SE phones all together, at work...
(I know that it is NOTHING in the big picture looking from SE headquarters, still it must count for something)
In this answer i just want to ad my own dissapointment thoug...
The main problems is that the big X10 is missing the FM-radio, missing the better headset connection and missing the one finger zoom, while the two cheap small X10 mini models have those things.
What is that about SE ?
Why have you decided to make 3 different X10 series phones, and then at the same time make the TOP model, the one with the weakest features ?
I am really dissapointed with you SE, the lack of updates, the missing features in the X10 top model.
From (i think it was) the old T610, or was it K750, and all the way up to now, my SE phones have allways had FM radio build in, and that was for me a loved feature, then you decide to release the X10 without FM Radio, and after that you again decide to put in FM radio in the mini´s ??
I know i didn´t read close enough in the specs when i bought my X10, but i really was expecting that there would be FM radio in an SE phone, and offcource there would be in the top model, no question about that. What a dissapointment !
An other lack is that tracker (step counter) that was build in i think all the newer phones eg. W595 and W715, now with X10 i again see a loved feature removed, why ?
I find it strange that good working features that SE implement in your phones, is removed again from newer phones.
Features that actually IS the SE brand, features that we learn to love and use every day, you decide to remove.
Why ?
I don´t get the point in making that huge effort to make a few nice new features like timescape and mediascape, and becource of those features you have been left behind, and are currently stock on Android 1,6, and right now we all are waiting for S/E-Android 2.1,, ONLY Android 2,1 when other companies like HTC are moving away from Android 2.1 and on to Android 2.2...
S/E why not release Android 2.2 fast and be the leader in the marked.
Then let people decide for them self IF they want the S/E signature-features like TimeScape and MediaScape when you have those ready later.
Just make new features avalible from your fine PlayNOW system just like you did with CreaTouch.
Why have you at the same time decided to lock down the bootloader of the X10 when Android is a brand new OS you are just learning ??
- release the bootloader now, and look what happen, learn from it and then when you are actually doing a better job coding the OS than other DEV´s on the www, you can decide if you again will lock down bootloaders in your future android phones.
At the moment it make no sense at all, not to let your dev-team learn all they can about what can be done with the hardware you have made.
The hardware is actually really great, and solid build, it is "only" the software that is the problem...
Now i move on to the strange thing about wide range of current phone models you have on the marked.
Why that many, is that really nessesserry at all, really ??
Why not make an effort to be the absolutly best there is on a mutch smaller range of phones, only focus on a few models, perhaps only android phones, as you have said that you want to be world leaders in Android powered phones in a few years anyway.
As i see it you only need one X10 model more to have a complete set of phones, so there will be at least one that souit everyone.
Add one more X10 mini and make it with an old style slide out t9 keyboard.
At last.
I have also been thinking about jumping over to an other brand, and perhaps also look for other phones next time we need some at work, as i am that dissapointed with SE...
But private i find my self thinking that i perhaps just should wait and get the X12 when that is released...
Can i really be that stupid, REALLY ???
- dispite my dissapointment with SE, really ???
SE you are SO lucky that you have a big and loving fan base...
At work i KNOW that SE have the best hardware and the lack of features i mentioned here is no problem in work use...
Again SE you are REALLY lucky that you have a big loving fan base...
Just DON`T dissapoint us anymore !

senthilanandhpv said:
I believe he is there But no Offense (Original post edited to reflect my view)
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He? Why would a god need to have a specific gender? They would have no use for it.
Anyway i dont think religious dribble should be in an email like that to a company. Makes you look like a bit of a fruit cake.

pshdo said:
An other lack is that tracker (step counter) that was build in i think all the newer phones eg. W595 and W715, now with X10 i again see a loved feature removed, why ?
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I won't bother replying to the rest...but, my X10 has one.
It's called the Android Market, you can download anything, including pedometers.

At least they all look familiar and have similar sounding names - X5, X8, X10, X10 mini, X10 mini pro. SE are trying to satisfy each segment of the market, just like their competitors HTC, Samsung, Motorola and Nokia do.
@iead1
Is there something you're not telling us? Like who you work for.

Please dont embarass yourself. Your grammar is atrocious.

How about buying an AD on newspaper, and then I'm sure the SE CEO will see this.

sony in general is a big comany, my family has been buying sony things for at least 20 years (got an old and really old stereo which still works o.0)
they always had the best things in the marker, we even say if it's a sony is good
in the past I never used SE, just used nokia or motorola but when i saw the x1 i just felt in love, but when I knew that no wm 6.5 would arrive to it i was so pissed we paid a lot for it to get nothing more, same applies for the x10
i know companies want to get more profits but where's the customer's satisfaction? they use to think that is better to have loyal customers for a long term instead of just having a lot for few months (kinda the thing is going on today)

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@iead1
Is there something you're not telling us? Like who you work for.
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I work for a local board of education, in the mountains of rural Kansai Japan.
Want me to take a picture of my desk with my X10?

iead1 said:
I work for a local board of education, in the mountains of rural Kansai Japan.
Want me to take a picture of my desk with my X10?
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does that mean SE JP HQ??? xD jk

alankstiyo said:
does that mean SE JP HQ??? xD jk
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I wish! I'd be making more money than I do now!

iead1 said:
I won't bother replying to the rest...but, my X10 has one.
It's called the Android Market, you can download anything, including pedometers.
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Yes, but those on marked is far from working as good as the one in eg. w715...
- and if you was actually using it, you would know that ;-)
Anything ?
- then throw me a link to an fm radio application for the x10, or to one finger zoom perhaps, or to any of the other things that the x10 don't have, that the mini's and all the old SE phones have... *LOL*
Send from my X10, still without 2.1 *&%#

I think that the live wall paper and home screens reference has to do with the SE Japan release of Ambientime which has 5 home screens, pseudocode live wallpapers and a new lock/unlock swipe which is more animated.
That app looks like work that was done as an assessment of the phone's potential to do live wallpapers. It's sort of interesting even if it makes the phone laggy and lockup.
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A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language.
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class.
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets.
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market.
Good day sir!
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don't know if it'll install but here you go

OMG! What's wrong with Sony Ericsson???!!!

I can't believe this... Why can't they open up the Xperia X2 too???
http://www.esato.com/news/article.php/id=1984

respectable company
i think they forget x2 .
i will not buy any Sony ercicsson mobile even they sell the best mobile on the plan
they are not respectable company , I’ m sure there is no quality control in their manufacturing process , u see x2 haven’t 3G video call , radio till u update ur x2.
mobile,
how u box it with all these bugs,: mad:

Ok lets look at the facts....
1. The X10, X8, X10minis aren't having there bootloaders unlocked, so why would they unlock the X2s?
2. Sony Ericsson isn't going to invest money into a platform/phone they don't sell/use anymore just to make some people happy. Sony Ericsson is a company not a charity, so if it doesn't make money why would they do it?

That Guy Is Here said:
Sony Ericsson isn't going to invest money into a platform/phone they don't sell/use anymore just to make some people happy. Sony Ericsson is a company not a charity, so if it doesn't make money why would they do it?
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The fact is that Sony Ericsson released a phone oriented for Business-users and companies. The phone did have a pricetag worth around 650€, so it was a phone from the more expensiver end.
In other words this phone was not intended to be a toy as most of Sony Ericsson's phones are. It's just because of this i feel that Sony Ericcson let down their customers by cheating them with a phone that is currently pure crap. They supported the phone about 3 months with a couple of software-releases, and ditched it after this. 3 months is not what a company expects a business-phone's support to be. I see it to be at least 1-1,5 years after the initial release. Toys could just go with one update, and then they could get ignored after this.
Now that SE is focusing their development more or less on only Android Phones, i don't see any reason why they could not try to clean up their mess by releasing an Android-verison for the phone, and try to calm down pissed of customers with a crap phone.
I really don't understand why someone loves Windows Mobile. I totally hate WinMo, and i just find annoyances, flaws and stupid behaviours in this bloated operating-system.
That Nokias Stephen E-flop picked Winmo for their phones will be an end for their era as a leading cellphone-manufacturer... Windows is NOT suitable for mobile devices. They should just stick with desktop-computers.

We are wrong...SE are late
When X1 was released (lately) it should have been like X2 (with all the extra features that X2 have and X1 don't) the price of X1 was in level with competitors that have better and newer hardware and features.
When X2 comes out SE was late again... all competitors were lauching Snapdragon 1GHZ CPU Phones (for that level of price) and SE mantains the hardware identical to X1...
They're late in hardware and in software dev (OS releases) and because of that, they were not enable to sold X2 (they release, almost at the same time, the X10 with Android) so they quit the development of it.
We were wrong... we bought it at high level price (confident in the high quality that the name SE brings with it - the wave before touch phones wasn't so dependent of OS software) when we should waste our money with other brands.
That's my personal opinion. I've been buying SE since t68i (P910, K800i, P990, X1, X2 and Satio). I'm happy with my current SE phones (Satio and X2) but I'll not buy again SE phones blindly (without check all competitors).
By the same price I'll be more happier with another phone from another brand with more capabilities.

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Xcalibur08 said:
When X1 was released (lately) it should have been like X2 (with all the extra features that X2 have and X1 don't) the price of X1 was in level with competitors that have better and newer hardware and features.
When X2 comes out SE was late again... all competitors were lauching Snapdragon 1GHZ CPU Phones (for that level of price) and SE mantains the hardware identical to X1...
They're late in hardware and in software dev (OS releases) and because of that, they were not enable to sold X2 (they release, almost at the same time, the X10 with Android) so they quit the development of it.
We were wrong... we bought it at high level price (confident in the high quality that the name SE brings with it - the wave before touch phones wasn't so dependent of OS software) when we should waste our money with other brands.
That's my personal opinion. I've been buying SE since t68i (P910, K800i, P990, X1, X2 and Satio). I'm happy with my current SE phones (Satio and X2) but I'll not buy again SE phones blindly (without check all competitors).
By the same price I'll be more happier with another phone from another brand with more capabilities.
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right the same words +1

X2 are you kidding me?
Seriously people are still talking about this device! With what's on offer now from Sony Ericsson I am sure they will claw their way back in the mix! X2 was dead in the water before release as handsets available at time of it's release offered much more. There will be no hdspl for x2 as quite frankly the demand isn't high enough and the phone is bugged. Winmo 6 is dead IMO with mango release eminent on wp7.1 alas put x2 to bed

I agree. I would have bought the X2 had it not been for the exorbitant retail price, plus no GSM carrier support here in the US. Now, all support, especially the OS, will be gone, making this phone DOA. A real shame, because the X2 had, and still has lots of potential.
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These days a SE X2 can be had for as little as around 200 euro (new or demo), so maybe that is an acceptable price for what it offers. I still believe the keyboard is way above anything the competition offers (including the latest Nokia E7).

x2user said:
These days a SE X2 can be had for as little as around 200 euro (new or demo), so maybe that is an acceptable price for what it offers. I still believe the keyboard is way above anything the competition offers (including the latest Nokia E7).
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The X2 still has the best keyboard out of any current smartphone on the market. I wish SE would release a Windows 7.5 phone with an identical keyboard.