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Hi all, if you try the following...
1. Click 'Device unlocked' on the Today screen so it changes to 'Device locked'
2. Turn device off / wait for it to go to sleep
3. Turn device on / wait for something to wake it up
...the device has unlocked itself, correct or is it just my Xda Mini S?
So how are we supposed to lock the device properly from accidentaly screen taps -- a problem I keep encountering?
Also, is there any way to add a timeout to the device lock, so if the screen isn't tapped for 5 mins, it automatically locks (assuming we actually make the lock feature work in the first place!).
My K-JAM used to do this all the time.
I never actually worked out the exact cause, i have a feeling it may have been caused by software i was testing when i 1st recieved the k-jam.
It stopped doing it altogether after a recent hard reset.
Sorry i wasnt more help.
Cheers
Chris
the device lock wasn't made with these systems in mind... it's intended for smartphone devices which don't have a 'suspend' state - let alone a button you can push to put it into, and bring it out of, that state.
If you want a free, proper locker, put the following in your today-screen-app-launcher of choice:
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=14621
This'll 'lock' even the on/off button (immediately 'locks' again if you try to turn it back on, or shut it off (by holding down the on/off button - as you need to confirm by dialog)).
On the down side, it'll also turn your display off.
To unlock, on the Wizard, you need to press the Messaging (top-left, front side) button and the Voice Dial/Memo (top-right, side) button at the same time.
That lock/unlock feature on the Today screen is pretty crappy actually. I locked my keys religiously. And half the time, I would pull my phone out and it was on a webpage or on my email... and I never opened them.
I'm hoping they fix this...
-Mc
Well it's ridiculous that O2 etc. keep the function enabled by default on the Today screen of their units, if the feature is for Smartphones only! But then, there's a lot of things O2 don't understand about the world but don't get me started on that.
Warning! Do not use Screenlock!
Warning: I think this program just killed my Wizard. Don't install unless you know the risks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=212261#212261
People, please don't recommend software on here that is not tried and tested on WM5.0.
On my Qtek 9100 it works. The only button that doesn't lock is the power button. Accidental tap of the power button will turn the screen on. You cannot even press and hold to power off when locked. When phone comes back on it stays locked.
I have been using this application for a while now - but I think the warning for installing sofware goes for all software. Who is to say that SPB doesn't install something that 'phones home'? Or that Mort Script doesn't cause irreperable harm to the registry stack when using its registry functions?
I've had no problems with it, but I guess I'll continue in your other thread.
I also can't just quickly tap the on/off button. Sure, it goes on - but it then immediately goes off again as well.
Thanks. What happens if the device crashes or you soft reset whilst the screen is locked? Does it reboot unlocked with the screen on? I wondered if mine had somehow locked completely, so the screen is off when it reboots ...but that wouldn't explain no LEDs working either :?
I don't know about crashes but, with some reluctance - admittedly, I tried the soft-reset (pin button at the right) while the screen [w]as locked...
...the device switched off, switched back on, booted up, and displayed my Personal Info screen.
So... no problem there, sorry :/
Well I have my replacement Mini S now. Any other programs than ScreenLock that do this? I'm sure I found once, but I can't find it any more :?
I couldnt get screenlock to work on the ppc6700, but mortsaver worked just fine, you might want to try that.
I'm perhaps misreading this, but the device locking seems to work ok for me on my XDA Mini S. Once I've locked the Mini S the only way I can use it again is to unlock it - if I touch the power button or let it go standby itself, when I touch the power button to wake it up, it remains locked. Also, if I hold down the power button for five seconds or more the Mini S will not give me the option to switch off entirely.
John
Hi John,
Do you have a Device Password setup? ( Start > Settings > Personal > Password > [x] Prompt if device unused for... )
I find that when
1. Device Password is enabled
2. you lock the device
3. you press the device on/off button (goes to standby)
4. you press the device on/off button again (goes back on), the device is unlocked.
When Device Password is disabled, and you then follow steps 2-4, the device remains locked
In my experience this is true [it sort of makes some sense you can't type in your password with the device/screen locked].
it would make sense if...
A. the password dialog would actually pop up (note that if you turn the device off/on manually, before the password prompt timeout, the password dialog does not show up)
and
B. they would first show the unlock screen and -then- the password prompt
The password prompt facility effectively overriding the unlock screen is just bad software design.
well put zeboxx... i wanted to say something in those lines but couldn't articulate them properly [ended up with a it sort of makes some sense jibe...]
ZeBoxx said:
Hi John,
Do you have a Device Password setup? ( Start > Settings > Personal > Password > [x] Prompt if device unused for... )
I find that when
1. Device Password is enabled
2. you lock the device
3. you press the device on/off button (goes to standby)
4. you press the device on/off button again (goes back on), the device is unlocked.
When Device Password is disabled, and you then follow steps 2-4, the device remains locked
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Nope, I don't have a device password enabled which explains it.
John
Whenever my phone goes into standby mode, or when I manually put the phone into standby mode by briefly pressing the power button The phone is unresponsive to any other key press or screen taps. I have to press the power button again to get it out of standby mode. I am using a usa T-Mobile MDA with the 1.08 rom. The only today plugins I have installed are magic button, rlcalendar and powercheck. Is there w way to fix this? It is kinda annoying.
take a look here..
start / settings / buttons / the lock tab at the bottom /
there should be three options, if you have the top one checked, then only the power button will wake your phone up.
hope this helps
johnwman said:
Whenever my phone goes into standby mode, or when I manually put the phone into standby mode by briefly pressing the power button The phone is unresponsive to any other key press or screen taps. I have to press the power button again to get it out of standby mode. I am using a usa T-Mobile MDA with the 1.08 rom. The only today plugins I have installed are magic button, rlcalendar and powercheck. Is there w way to fix this? It is kinda annoying.
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I prefer it like this as it means you don't have to rememebr to 'lock' the phone before putting it in a case/pocket/bag to stop accidental turning on/dialing.
I've asked a similar question in a different thread... but does anyone know how to prevent the buttons from becoming active when the device automatically re-starts itself? e.g. when it's in my pocket, I don't want the keypad suddenly activating when a text message notification appears on the screen. Do I have to lock the keypad manually to do this?
Andre
Thank you Gazzrenn, your suggestion helps greatly!
andrewilley said:
I've asked a similar question in a different thread... but does anyone know how to prevent the buttons from becoming active when the device automatically re-starts itself? e.g. when it's in my pocket, I don't want the keypad suddenly activating when a text message notification appears on the screen. Do I have to lock the keypad manually to do this?
Andre
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I have security set up that have to enter the password before the device comes on and the buttons become active, so I dont suffer from this. If I dont enter the password, ie when its in my pocket and I dont hear it, it turns off after 1 minute.
I have security set up that have to enter the password before the device comes on
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Don't you find this a bit tedious if you want to answer a call but have to enter a password first?
I would prefer my device not to activate the screen when its in my pouch or pocket, but to have to activate the keyboard and enter a password to answer a call I find is tedious - or have you found a quicker way to do it.
pewe said:
I have security set up that have to enter the password before the device comes on
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Don't you find this a bit tedious if you want to answer a call but have to enter a password first?
I would prefer my device not to activate the screen when its in my pouch or pocket, but to have to activate the keyboard and enter a password to answer a call I find is tedious - or have you found a quicker way to do it.
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Call answer is the one exception.
I have the password setup so that no-one that steals my device can get my data, sure they can hard reset and use the device (not as a phone as that will be blocked from UK networks) but they loose all my private/personal data
Call answer is the one exception.
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I haven't used the password feature.
If I set a password does that automatically allow the phone to be answered without entering it?
pewe said:
I haven't used the password feature.
If I set a password does that automatically allow the phone to be answered without entering it?
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Yes - when the phone rings the phone you are able to answer, but once you hang up the password is requested.
I use my 8525 in a side case and when the phone rings I usually pull out the phone to see who's calling to decide if i want to answer... though 9 out of 10 times i accidentally hit the answer button. I always lock my phone via device lock on today screen... is there a reg hack or setting which will allow me to disable or customize ALL the buttons (when in lock mode) on the 8525 so I don't accidentally answer. to me if i were to assign a button (ie power or ptt) to only be allowed to accept a call (when the phone is in lock mode) that'd be great. I'm tired of auto answering and what good does a device lock do if you can easily auto answer?
bumping this back up... Can I be the only one with this issue? If so how do you use your phone and not auto answer?
abricko said:
bumping this back up... Can I be the only one with this issue? If so how do you use your phone and not auto answer?
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Sorry you're not getting replies and I have no solution of the type you are looking for sadly. I've tried to replicate what you say happens but it's not easy!!! My key is not that easily pressed and I always put the device back with screen towards my body - my fingers don't seem to get very close to the green button.
This is probably daft to suggest but have you checked the setting that lets you specify auto answer within X number of rings - just in case it's answering the call by itself!!. (apologies if you checked this setting already!!)
Mike
This may do what you want...
http://www.pocketmax.net/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=da5459e6aadc9c38d5a74b0276782091&board=19.0
Auto Answer is not set... the problem is (and it's a problem with the phone design) when the phone is locked none of the buttons respond until you hit the power button and then unlock the phone via the screen (which is good).
However when there is an incoming call or reminder the screen turns on and then a few buttons are active on the phone (send, end and the two soft keys seem to be). So when a phone call comes in, if the phone is in your pocket or the hip case while reaching for the phone it's VERY easy to accidentally press any of the active buttons and then accidentally accept or reject that call.
I've searched everywhere I can think of and I find little mention of this problem and no mention of a fix, most screen lock replacements only do as much locking as the WM5 built in lock does. The button re-activation after an incoming call is probably something built into the hardware. That's all I can deduce from this.
Thanks for the responses I've received so far.
I am on my fourth PDA phone and have used both Win Mobile 2003 and WM5. They all behaved this way and it is one of my biggest complaints with the Windows OS. I have seen apps for Palm that solve the problem. How hard could it be to have the option to only wake with the press of the power button?!
not hard at all, but the again its M$, i am surprised these devices to have ctrl-alt-del keys.
When my device P3600 received call or sms, the device is powered up, and then all the keys are active. If the device in case some key can be press (by mistake) and activate a program on this situation.
Does any one have a solution for that?
Use the Device Lock Feature in your Today Screen.
I do not like to add one more line to the dotay screen
can I use it without add it to the dotay screen?
If you don't want an additional line on the today screen then the other option is to set the device to request a password after only one minute of inactivity (under "Settings", "Personal", "Lock").
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If you don't want an additional line on the today screen then the other option is to set the device to request a password after only one minute of inactivity (under "Settings", "Personal", "Lock").
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10x, but this is not help, the lock is form power up the the device, and the device is automitly powered up when received call or sms
I use a program called "device lock" that can be mapped to one of the buttons, I use button one when you hold for a few seconds. The app locks the phone and turns off the screen, so when you recieve a call or sms the screen will turn back on but the phone will still be locked.
Have a search on the forums here for it, that where i got it from.
Cheers
iMike said:
I use a program called "device lock" that can be mapped to one of the buttons, I use button one when you hold for a few seconds. The app locks the phone and turns off the screen, so when you recieve a call or sms the screen will turn back on but the phone will still be locked.
Have a search on the forums here for it, that where i got it from.
Cheers
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in this case you can not aswers a call, when received one - because when the device is lock there is no quick way to answer that call.
or I miss someting here.
Carmi said:
in this case you can not aswers a call, when received one - because when the device is lock there is no quick way to answer that call.
or I miss someting here.
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Yes you can answer a call, the device lock only lets you use the power, answer, and hangup buttons. When the call is finished it is still locked, unless you unlock it.
I use this one. http://www.mr2-power.com/downloads/DeviceLock.CAB
10x, GREAT, this will do the job
it is work fine - 10x
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10x, but this is not help, the lock is form power up the the device, and the device is automitly powered up when received call or sms
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I am glad you found a way to solve your problem but I don't understand why my suggestion should not work. If you set your device to request a pin after one minute of inactivity if you receive a message the keys will still be blocked until you enter your pin. (I am talking about device PIN not SIM PIN).
And if you receive a call the answer button works even without entering a PIN.
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I am glad you found a way to solve your problem but I don't understand why my suggestion should not work. If you set your device to request a pin after one minute of inactivity if you receive a message the keys will still be blocked until you enter your pin. (I am talking about device PIN not SIM PIN).
And if you receive a call the answer button works even without entering a PIN.
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Your solution works too, the only thing is sometimes (for example) I'm sitting on the couch using my phone for email or surfing and watching a TV program. I stop to watch something interesting for 3 minutes and my phone has locked itself with the pin lock. I have to enter the code each time this happens. It can get annoying. If I use devicelock, I lock the keys when I need to, obviously when I'm at home and my phone is on the coffee table, it doesn't need to be locked. I set my device pin lock at 2 hours, that should give the phone enough time to lock itself if I loose it...hopefully.
yeah... but when you loose your phone the device lock doesn´t matter. only reinstall a Rom and your phone can be used.
dersvenni said:
yeah... but when you loose your phone the device lock doesn´t matter. only reinstall a Rom and your phone can be used.
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Yes, very true, but at least they won't be able to see all my contacts, appointments, notes etc. That being said, I always use FlexWallet to encrypt all sensitive information which is synchronized to my laptop.
touch screen and buttons can be locked during a call?
I followed up this thread and found it very interesting. But it does't focus all the problem:
when call's come in, your solutions are ok.
But when I want to make a call, I found there is a nasty *****, clicking to call waiting or to head speaker on, opening a note or calling my voice box etc. etc.
Then I found that it was my ear or my fingers, clicking on the touch screen or my fingers clicking hardbuttons.
I think tat during a call on the normal speaker the only buttons to be active should be "hang on" and "loud speaker on". With loudspeaker or BT on, or call terminated,s screen and buttons should come back to full function.
Anybody knows a solution to this?
Regards, and keep on, its a great forum. i love it.
iMike said:
I use a program called "device lock" that can be mapped to one of the buttons, I use button one when you hold for a few seconds. The app locks the phone and turns off the screen, so when you recieve a call or sms the screen will turn back on but the phone will still be locked.
Have a search on the forums here for it, that where i got it from.
Cheers
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Hmm this is just "device lock" that we can see in HTCplugin. In my case it does not turn off the screen. It just locks my device. Is everyone has "turn off the sreen" functionality?
> Karl der Käfer wrote:
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> touch screen and buttons can be locked during a call?
I lastly tried the on-off button to block screen during outgoing calls.
I never did this before because I thought it would cancel the active call, but it doesn't.
Ok, I see it's more or less doing what I want. But it's very unconfortable. When I hit it bad, or don't hit it at all, or forget to press it?
Isn't there a posibility to have the screnn sensibility off, only sensibility, until the call is either ended, passed to outer speaker, headset or BT? or perhaps simply until I give it free manually?
It would improve safe usage of that phone remarkably, I think.
If not :-( , well, I allways can press the button ;-)
curious for what solutions you'll find on your problems with incoming calls. Perhaps that will give me an Idea.
Chears
I've complained about this on just about every major forum I have found. Hopefully, someone will eventually write an app to allow personalized device locking. I would set my trinity to not wake for ANYTHING and have ONLY the power button active. I would prefer to get audible alerts (or vibrate) to incoming calls, alarms and messages. Pressing power would be the only way to turn the device on. PIN features only annoy me. This would be very useful anytime I am not willing to immediately respond to a notification - driving, having dinner, in a meeting, etc. It could significantly improve battery life. I store mine in my pocket and accidental button press is a problem as well.
Hello-
I have searched around- but I was wondering if anyone knew of a program that would solve my problem with my key lock.
Basically, what happens when someone calls is my phone will automatically answer. Since the touchscreen becomes active, it will touch the answer button or some other button.
Some people have blamed it on the way I pick up my phone.. or the pouch.. or whatever. Frankly, the reason isnt what is important to me- I just want my phone to stay locked when it is locked and only allow pickup by pressing an actual button...
Any thoughts? I cant imagine I am the only user with this issue.
sigep739 said:
Hello-
I have searched around- but I was wondering if anyone knew of a program that would solve my problem with my key lock.
Basically, what happens when someone calls is my phone will automatically answer. Since the touchscreen becomes active, it will touch the answer button or some other button.
Some people have blamed it on the way I pick up my phone.. or the pouch.. or whatever. Frankly, the reason isnt what is important to me- I just want my phone to stay locked when it is locked and only allow pickup by pressing an actual button...
Any thoughts? I cant imagine I am the only user with this issue.
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It could be wrong by setting up your PPC. You can check again as follows:
Settings=> Phone=> More=> Automatic pickup: do not select 'Answer incoming calls without pressing'=> OK
nugift said:
It could be wrong by setting up your PPC. You can check again as follows:
Settings=> Phone=> More=> Automatic pickup: do not select 'Answer incoming calls without pressing'=> OK
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Nope.. that is not it. It isnt that it automatically picks up after a certain amount of rings.
If you get a call with the Wing, the actual screen allows you to press answer or ignore- even while in screen lock. You should be forced to have to press an actual button, imo.