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Is Dynamism.com information missleading?

Hi guys,
I am looking for a replacement for my HTC Athena (bought from Dynamism.com).
Being in USA on AT&T's 3G network, I did not consider the HTC Touch HD because of absence of USA 3G.
However, if you read Dynamism's HTC Touch HD page:
http://www.dynamism.com/#Product=touchhd
And their Tech Specks tab, it almost sounds like either they are getting a modified version of Blackstone, or they are misleading on purpose.
Again, I bought from Dynamism before and consider them a trusted retailer.
I will email their sales dept. for clarification.
But what do you guys think - could they have a modified Blackstone?!
Thanks!

main page is misleading and can lead one to conclude that high-speed internet access is available, but the reality is it's not available... your initial assumption is correct, there is no US 3G band on the phone. the tech spec page says GSM/GPRS/EDGE, which is correct.

I thought T-Mobile was rolling out a 3G HSDPA/WCDMA network that worked at 2100 MHz?

my understanding is that you'd need both the 1700 mHz and the 2100 mHz bands in order for high-speed access on T-Mo. one band is for downloads and the other is for uploads. if there's an HD out there that will work on US 3G bands, we would have heard by now, lol. at the moment it's EDGE speeds which meets my basic/simple internet access needs (e.g., Exchange Push, light web browsing, traffic with Garmin or TomTom).

cortez.i said:
my understanding is that you'd need both the 1700 mHz and the 2100 mHz bands in order for high-speed access on T-Mo. one band is for downloads and the other is for uploads. if there's an HD out there that will work on US 3G bands, we would have heard by now, lol. at the moment it's EDGE speeds which meets my basic/simple internet access needs (e.g., Exchange Push, light web browsing, traffic with Garmin or TomTom).
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OK, that makes sense. And I agree..."if there's an HD out there that will work on US 3G bands, we would have heard by now".

Reply from Dynamism.com is even more confusing...
Here is a reply from [email protected]:
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Hi,
Thank you for contacting us.
The Touch HD we are shipping is not fully US 3G compatible, sorry. It should work if you are in a large city but we do not guarantee it as it does not support the 850 MHz UMTS band. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Best regards
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I would really appreciate if somebody here would clarify this statement for me and others considering the Touch HD:
- Which bands and WHERE does AT&T use in USA for 3G? I mean, where 850MHz is used, where 1900MHz is used, or both? Are the band allocation maps available to public (not a generic 3G coverage map without the bands allocation)?
- Is that truth that Touch HD supports 1900MHz, but not 850MHz for 3G?
- Does it mean that Touch HD will work on 3G 1900MHz network where available ("a large city", per Dynamism)?
Thank you very much and Happy New Year everybody!

let me put i this way: the Touch HD IS NOT COMPATIBLE with US 3G Bands used by at&t, period. no 3G access, period. None. you will not get 3G speeds, period. you will only get EDGE speeds, period. no 3G, period. forgive my frustrating response, but this issue has been discussed at great length on this and other forums. if you need, rely on, must have 3G speeds in the USA don't get the Touch HD. if there was any truth to what dyna-whoever is saying, we in the US with the HD would have known it and discussed it at great length. when used as a phone, the Touch HD will utilize the 850 and 1900 cell phone bands.
again, i apologize for the tone of my response, but if you read, research on this forum, you'll conclude that the Touch HD does not have 3G speed access in the US. if that ever changes, believe me, you'll know. happy new year!

Topaz for US UMTS Band? - Might not happen (see post #11)

Is Topaz is available for sale for US UMTS bands? In all the online shops i see this phone only with UMTS 900 and 2100. I am planning to buy one but i dont see one with UMTS 850 and 1900.

I'm still waiting for 850mhz. It clearly isn't out yet.

3G for AT&T US?
Does anyone have any info on whether and if yes, when, the Topaz will be offered with the US 3G bands??

I'm Not sure which bands AT&T uses seeing I'm with T-mobile but here are the bands the phone has.
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
3G on T-mobile does not work but I don't mind because Edge is fast enough for me. I had faster loading times on Webpages yesterday than my freind with a touch pro on Sprint's 3G. So ya. I don't know anyone with AT&T or else I'd throw the SIM in and try it.

HTC Touch Freak said:
I'm Not sure which bands AT&T uses seeing I'm with T-mobile but here are the bands the phone has.
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
3G on T-mobile does not work but I don't mind because Edge is fast enough for me. I had faster loading times on Webpages yesterday than my freind with a touch pro on Sprint's 3G. So ya. I don't know anyone with AT&T or else I'd throw the SIM in and try it.
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If that is correct -----the UMTS 1900+850 part----- then those are the AT&T 3G frequencies. Where did you see those bands?

mush10 said:
If that is correct -----the UMTS 1900+850 part----- then those are the AT&T 3G frequencies. Where did you see those bands?
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If you go to Settings/All Settings/Personal/Phone/Click on the Band Tab it is under the Selet your GSM/UMTS band.
If I go to the mall today I will stop by the AT&T store and see if someone there is willing to insert their SIM in it to see if it gets 3G. If so I will post up.

HTC Touch Freak said:
If you go to Settings/All Settings/Personal/Phone/Click on the Band Tab it is under the Selet your GSM/UMTS band.
If I go to the mall today I will stop by the AT&T store and see if someone there is willing to insert their SIM in it to see if it gets 3G. If so I will post up.
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That is great!! If you can check and let us know that would be a great help!!
Is UMTS band availability is all software/firmware related.. i thought thats hardware.

having those band settings does not mean it will work on US 3G networks. for example, the UK Touch HD (from the UK) has the same band listings as above but the radio doesn't support at&t's 3G bands (850/1900). it will work for voice and EDGE internet speeds without issue. it's a hardare limitation. 3 months after releasing the UK HD, HTC released a Telstra (Australia) version of the Touch HD that had the same band listings (as above) that works with 850 3G bands. Since Telstra uses the same 850 3G band that at&t uses, the Telstra HD can access at&t's 3G network. i'm speaking from fact because i have both the UK and Telstra HD versions.
HTC is known for relasing the same device with radio limitations: they did it with the Diamond, Touch Pro, Touch HD and they're doing it for the Diamond 2. if you want US 3G access - via at&t - on the Diamond 2 you'll have to wait until HTC releases the US 3G version.

cortez.i said:
having those band settings does not mean it will work on US 3G networks. for example, the UK Touch HD (from the UK) has the same band listings as above but the radio doesn't support at&t's 3G bands (850/1900). it will work for voice and EDGE internet speeds without issue. it's a hardare limitation. 3 months after releasing the UK HD, HTC released a Telstra (Australia) version of the Touch HD that had the same band listings (as above) that works with 850 3G bands. Since Telstra uses the same 850 3G band that at&t uses, the Telstra HD can access at&t's 3G network. i'm speaking from fact because i have both the UK and Telstra HD versions.
HTC is known for relasing the same device with radio limitations: they did it with the Diamond, Touch Pro, Touch HD and they're doing it for the Diamond 2. if you want US 3G access - via at&t - on the Diamond 2 you'll have to wait until HTC releases the US 3G version.
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This clarifies. Thanks friend. Do you aware of any news on when HTC might release the D2 for US?

verified today.... does not work on at&t. the guys at the store said that it is 1900/900 band not 850. 850od the 2g frequency. havnt checked on how correct they are on this but a quick google search will verify the frequencies.

A reply from HTC
See the reply from them below. HTC did not mention about any carrier like ATT or T-Mobile asked for this phone.. looks like this phone will never make it to US? That is a Bad news......
From: Jonathan [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:54 AM
To: Natarajan, Sundaram
Subject: Re: HTC Diamond 2 <<#15569-73859#>>
Hello Sundaram,
Thank you for your inquiry about the Touch Diamond 2.
We appreciate your inquiry about one of our new phones. Unfortunately, we do not remake our phones to work on a specific network, such as the AT&T 1900 band width, unless that carrier request us to make them that exact phone. If you do buy the Touch Diamond 2, we cannot guarantee 3G service since AT&T 3G band is 1900 while the Touch Diamond 2's 3G band is 2100.
I hope we have answered your question in detail. Feel free to contact us again if you have any further questions.
Thanks for contacting HTC,
HTC Technical Support
http://www.htc.com
http://www.htcwiki.com
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From: "Natarajan, Sundaram"
Received: 5/5/09 11:17:17 PM EDT
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: HTC Diamond2
Dear Sir/Madam,
I own a HTC TyTn II and HTC Fuze (ATT) and now planning to upgrade my smart phone to HTC Diamond 2. I am really impressed with this phone and ready to purchase one. I live in USA and have a question about the 3G band availability of HTC Diamond 2. The phone is available in many online stores but they all have a specification like below.
Operating Frequency:
HSDPA/WCDMA: Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Does this mean that I cannot use this phone for ATT 3G networks in USA? Does HTC manufacture HTC Diamond 2 for US 3G band which I believe are 850/1900 MHz?
Is there any planned date of releasing HTC Diamond2 for ATT 3G networks? I appreciate your response.
Thanks

The Diamond 2 IS COMING TO THE US WITH 3G SUPPORT in a few months. Stop this nonsense please.

MAK11 said:
The Diamond 2 IS COMING TO THE US WITH 3G SUPPORT in a few months. Stop this nonsense please.
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What makes you to visit this topic and through a comment like this? I was not asking "you" this.
Besides, I am not working at ATT or HTC but trying to see if any other member of this forum has any news about this. If you dont like this topic just dont visit it and try to change your attitude. Otherwise you will become a great looser (i guess you already are).

MAK11 said:
The Diamond 2 IS COMING TO THE US WITH 3G SUPPORT in a few months. Stop this nonsense please.
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Clearly that is a pretty general statement that I believe most of us find to be true. That being said, do you have any more insight?

If it's coming to the US with 3G I would just assume that it would hit Sprint first so still no luck for AT&T. Didn't ATT just get the FUZE in like Dec? Anyways the phone most likely to hit US carriers is The Pro2. Americans generaly (IMO) like a full Hard qwerty keyboard.

This was floating around a few months ago
http://www.wmexperts.com/htcs-entire-2009-lineup-leaked
Shows the topaz going to AT&T. I'm not sure how valid it is though, but it's something to cling to

Even if it does come to AT&T, I hope we see the unlocked version well before. HTC used to be the one company we could count on to deliver US 3G on newer releases. Now we seem to be stuck playing the waiting game. The odd thing is they released the TYTN and such when the 3G network was barely rolled out, now that it at least covers all major cities, we cannot get any love.

I have been waiting a long time for this
Word is "HTC Topaz 210" (AT&T warhawk) will be released next month /(october) with the 850mHz UMTS "7201" chip (instead of the "7200" 900/2100 UMTS chip)
It will also be slightly smaller (1 mm less longer and wider)
I may drop around here if HTC beats the drum with this one
PS: sorry for resurrecting an ole thread, but we american users really miss good HTC 850mHz phones

I too am waiting for the US version of D2. gtrab, where did yo uget the info that US D2 will be slightly smaller. The latest info was from BG but I don't remember him mentioning any other spec except the obvious 850/1900 implementation.

3G ATT (usa)?

not quite sure how to search this so i guess ill ask (or reask) the question.
1. am i able to reflash my Leo to work with USA ATT 3g bands if a rom ever comes out in the future?
2. can someone confirm to me if step #49 of this tips and tricks thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638) and that piece of 3G activation software works and can allow my Leo to work with ATT 3g? (i dont think it does)
thanks!

1. Nope. It's all hardware.
2. See above. Nope.
It's all edge, my friend!

b-16707 said:
not quite sure how to search this so i guess ill ask (or reask) the question.
1. am i able to reflash my Leo to work with USA ATT 3g bands if a rom ever comes out in the future?
2. can someone confirm to me if step #49 of this tips and tricks thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638) and that piece of 3G activation software works and can allow my Leo to work with ATT 3g? (i dont think it does)
thanks!
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The HTC HD2 will not use 3g in the US. But since the phone is so fast, browsing the internet using edge is faster then with 3G on a sony X1a (my last phone).

do you already have an HD2? Regardless of anything you've read thus far, 3G is hardware dependent. No USA 3G internal radio? No USA 3G.
If you don't already have one, just wait until next month because the HD2 is supposedly coming to Telstra (who operates on 850mhz 3G, just like AT&T). HTC have said that the HD2 is coming in Q1 2010 but it's more than likely going toward T-Mo (based on leaked pics) or other carriers other than AT&T.

ah well i was under the impression that the hardware was both same for euro and us releases and just the software controlling it was different...(and how come they didnt name it the T8582 vs the T8585 as with the HD1 standard for the 2 different radios?....how they gonna distinguish the different hardware HD2s?)
come next year i may just sell mine for the new one (testra one you said). i dont suppose that tmo one will work with att 3g as its on a worldwide 3g band huh.
truly is a nice phone no doubt still

T-Mo US operates on 1700mhz AND 2100mhz for 3G (someone correct me if im wrong...one for uplink and the other for downlink). ATT can operate on 850mhz OR 1900mhz. The European version only has 900mhz and 2100mhz. As you can see, if you use the HD2 in the US (t-mo or ATT) right now, you're restricted to only EDGE unless they both possess their respective 3G bands.

this is what someone on htcforums.com said to me...confirm? deny? reject? love? i guess im just receiving conflicting info as to why this guy would believe this then?
"What you are asking about is a software differentiation. According to PDADB.net, the HD2 US version is scheduled for March 2010. http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2 ... us_htc_leo
The GSM version currently available is capable of T-Mobile US 3G frequencies; as T-Mo is the only US company to use WorldWide frequencies {2100MHz}. The version that is scheduled for March will be for AT&T frequencies. Since the hardware on these two versions are identical, you could flash a WorldWide version with a US version radio, & use a WW version with AT&T."

Your link doesnt work. I don't want to beat on a dead horse, but countless of T-Mo USA users have the HD2 and they could only have access to EDGE. Like I said, for T-Mo USA, their 3G has a split frequency (one for upload the other for download) that's why you need both 1700mhz and 2100mhz.

thats the link
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&view=1&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
bah oh well. the dude seems adamant that it will work...

ah here we go, this was the comparison i was looking for
USA
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&view=1&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
other
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1783&view=1&c=htc_hd2_t8585_htc_leo_100
this on HTC's site
Europe: Network Bands
* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <------
Asia Pacific:
* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <------
which means it can work here no? since USA att 3G is 850 or 1900?

* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz <--3G
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <-- EDGE

Your problem is that you're looking at the voice/2G/EDGE bands. The HD2 is a quadband phone, so you can pretty much use it anywhere in the world. Your original question was regarding 3G, which the HD2 does not support here in the USA (yet).
3G would be this line HSPA/WCDMA. See how it's only support 900/2100mhz?

GSM is only voice correct? .... getting my voice/data abbreviations all mixed up...

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GSM is only voice correct? .... getting my voice/data abbreviations all mixed up...
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GSM is voice and EDGE (data)

For ATT the key is 850mhz 3G as that what ATT has been adding, I don't believe they are doing any new 1900 towers. You can bing it there are lot's of articles about the iPhone congestion and changing/adding 850 towers. If we are lucky Telstra an, Australian carrier, will pick up the phone soon because they use the same 850 just like ATT. This is how people got the 3G on the HD(1) to work on ATT in the united states. HTCPedia posted a Telstra HD2 rom on Dec 9th, so hopefully they are close to releasing.

3G Networks hardware LOCKING to each carrier by HTC

Among those of you with a deap knowledge of the inner working of HTC phone for 3G networks.
Is HTC doing something to phones for each carrier to lock the phone to a specific carriers 3G network and no other.
I'm asking because I was talking with a freind of mine who was given a HD2 as a part of a promotion for use on AT&T 3G network (850/2100). He uses T-Mobile and tried to get it to work with his T-Mobile SIM with no success. He also told me he had a conversation with someone from HTC that told him that he would no beable to get his HD2 to work on T-Mobile because the hardware will not work with T-Mobiles 3G network (1700/2100).
If this is the case does anyone know if it changable, is it a Firmware issue that can be changed or is it like hard wired physically?
Then the question is if we are buying these phone, some through contracts others outright, do we want to told whos service we have to use!!
Lets have some good discussion...

there are billions of threads on this.
3g is radio/hardware dependent. he'll unfortunately be stuck on EDGE.

He will have no issues using the phone with T-mobile usa. He will not get 3G because of the bands. He will just have edge. But calls, mms, text, email, and internet will all function properly.

Clarify this please
I bought my HTC HD2 in USA (unlocked) and here in Peru, where I live, I cannot get it to work with 3G. If I lived in USA, is there a way to know with what carrier I would get 3G ?

alejo1575 said:
I bought my HTC HD2 in USA (unlocked) and here in Peru, where I live, I cannot get it to work with 3G. If I lived in USA, is there a way to know with what carrier I would get 3G ?
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So you are on Claro in Peru?
For 3G you need a phone with 3G 1900 support. If it is the T-Mobile version, that would have 3G on 1700/2100 bands which would be no good. If you got an AT&T handset (850/1900) it would work for 3G for you.
You need to understand what 3G support your version of the phone has. For example mine (Telstra Australia) is 850/2100 - which would not be able to pick up 3G in your network - however it works excellent with Telstra (850) in Australia and currently working well with StarHub (2100) in Singapore.
Your phone is quad band - but that is GSM quadband not 3G - it is 3G dual band and that is what is important for your connection.
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks for list of 3G networks...

Yeah ...bad news
tallmantim said:
So you are on Claro in Peru?
For 3G you need a phone with 3G 1900 support. If it is the T-Mobile version, that would have 3G on 1700/2100 bands which would be no good. If you got an AT&T handset (850/1900) it would work for 3G for you.
You need to understand what 3G support your version of the phone has. For example mine (Telstra Australia) is 850/2100 - which would not be able to pick up 3G in your network - however it works excellent with Telstra (850) in Australia and currently working well with StarHub (2100) in Singapore.
Your phone is quad band - but that is GSM quadband not 3G - it is 3G dual band and that is what is important for your connection.
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks for list of 3G networks...
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Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????

alejo1575 said:
Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
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No, but the Telstra HD2 will pick up the 850MHz signals where they exist. There is no HD2 with the 1900MHz UMTS band at the moment

lude219 said:
there are billions of threads on this.
3g is radio/hardware dependent. he'll unfortunately be stuck on EDGE.
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Would you mind pointing me in the direction of those BILLIONS of threads.
I've done searchs on hardware dependents, radio/hardware dependents, 3G radio.
There are so many way that is topic could be listed.
I'm finding nothing but my thread now just as before.

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a freind of mine who was given a HD2 as a part of a promotion for use on AT&T 3G network
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Then the question is if we are buying these phone, some through contracts others outright, do we want to told whos service we have to use!!
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Erm, so AT&T gives a phone, for promotion of their service, and at the same time they should allow you to use another network? You've got too much hope there...

alejo1575 said:
Hi tallmantim ....
Thanks for your response. Yeah, today I did my homework and found that my HD2 has UMTS (HSDPA) 900 - 2100 bands, a fact that is not good because Claro and Movistar in Peru operated the 850 - 1900 bands for 3G.
Question: is there a HD2 version with 850 - 1900 band ????
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yea my friend my phone is , and i am here with t mobile suffering from same problem like u , i bought that phone which is compatible with Asia , not here in usa
is there way to exchange??
mine is
Network HSPA/WCDMA:
900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps upload and 7.2 Mbps download speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are
operator dependen)

egypro said:
is there way to exchange??
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exchange your phone for cash
exchange that cash for a phone that supports the correct bands.

T-mobile's US HD2 works on 2100 MHz 3G in Europe?

Hi,
The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.
-AlefSin

actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!
european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.

hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.

Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!
So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!

Accoridng to Wikipedia, while 3G in China is using the same frequencies as Europe in UMTS-I band, the air interface is different (TD-SCDMA vs TD-CDMA).
(sorry, cannot link to the docs since as junior member cannot embed links yet).

pa49 said:
Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!
So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!
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Wow, that's... odd! It seems US operators cannot even agree whinin US and now they all want to use the rest of world's standards! That's so un-american!

At&T, rogers, etc are all using european 3G frequencies, which is why you can use device from europe on their networks.
T-mobile US uses 1700 & 2100 (one for up stream, one for downstream) which is why it won't work on at&t etc or european frequencies.
The t-mobile 3G phones use both 1700 and 2100 at the same time; and they cant use 2100 seperately on other networks.

erm att uses 850/1900,and very few operators use the same,none in Europe use these bands

alefsin said:
hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.
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you can check though. google it

Yes it does!
alefsin said:
Hi,
The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz
Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.
-AlefSin
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I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.
I hope it helps!
GG

JohnQ said:
you can check though. google it
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I did, check post #5

Well, it seems the answer is negative. I asked HTC:
Hi, I'm very excited about HTC HD2 on T-Mobile USA. However there is a cruicial question taht I could not find an answer for yet: Should I get this phone, when I travel to Europe, can I use 3G? The specs say this phone will support AWS/2100 MHz UMTS. Since the 2100 MHz is the dominant frequency for western european 3G networks, does it mean this phone would work on their 3G networks? Nobody at T-mobile's support could answer me so I hope you could solve this mystery.
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And they answered:
Thank you for contacting HTC Technical Assistance Center. I understand the importance in researching a phone before you purchase it. This is a unusual situation and one T-mobile may not have been experienced with. For T-mobiles network the phone will be using the 1700 and 2100 bands. Although the 2100 band is common world wide. allowing the phone to pick up the edge network. T-mobile uses the 1700 for there 3G services. This band as far as we are aware is only used by T-mobile when it comes to major carriers world wide. More then likely the phone would not be able to pick up 3g if taken over seas.
However. T-mobile dose have a few branches in Europe. You may wish to check with them to see what bands they use for 3G, and if they have had any conflicts with American phones.
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wmfreak said:
I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.
I hope it helps!
GG
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But T-mobile's HD2 is not out yet! Are you sure you didn't test European HD2?

OK things are starting to get weird. I received a negative answer from HTC's customer support but then I found USA T-mobile G1 users that reported their phones were working on 2100 MHz 3G in Europe (G1 like US T-mobile version of HD2 only supports 1700/2100 MHz 3G). I need to buy a phone and these contradictory reports leave me confused

Here is what T-mobile says in the specs sheet of the new HD2:
Band (frequency): 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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Isn't it interesting that 2100 Mhz is listed both separately and in with combintaion with 1700 Mhz?

JohnQ said:
actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!
european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.
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nice email address you have in that picture John

I tested my unlocked TMOUS HD2 in Sweden using 3's network and worked like a charm in 3G

Bit of a bump here as I'm trying to use my unlocked US T-Mobile HD2 with Orange in France and I can't do better than Edge (it went down to GPRS at one point...). I guess it could come down to spotty reception but I do get 3G speeds in my current location with an iPhone 3GS so I'm not so sure...
I'm using the AmericanAndroid ROM, maybe that's why my speed is throttled ;-)

I am using HD2 T-mobile in Serbia and i have no problem with conection or data speed.
I was on vacation and i didnt use Wifi ,and i used the phone all the time on 3G - the 3G network is incredibly fast, I even think that it is twice as fast as the EU HD2, which I used before..

Thanks, will check again then, maybe bad reception then!