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Hi,
I am currently using a Samsung F480 and I really have to say the difference in the touch screen experience is very much noticeable compared to my HTC Wizard (I'd probably call it Apple-esque - even though I never actually used their phone), however at the very same time I also have to admit that I am really missing the possibilities Windows Mobile offers.
So when I first read about the Touch HD it seemed it would unify all those. Well, meanwhile I found out that the touch screen technology basically remained the same so I'd really be interested to hear how you would actually rate it? Does one still have to press/push the screen or does a simply touch do it as well?
Apart from the touch screen topic I am also a bit uncertain after reading threads like this and in particular vangrieg's posting. How would you rate the overall performance?
Basically what I would be looking for would be a compact phone with a good display, easily extensible (Windows Mobile) and a nice touch screen experience (Apple) ....
i have it for a week now and i am very satisfied with it. Not one program crashed and no reboot so far. Internet browsing is fast and really usable. For the first time ever i really like to surf the net while commuting on the subway. GPS with TomTom7 is great - i locks in seconds even when in downtown surrounded by skyscrapers.
regarding the touchscreen, i find that i have to press really hard to get a reaction. at first i even was reluctant to press so hard because i thought i would break it with the stylus. but now i am glad that it does not react to simple touching because i usually carry it in the pocket of my trousers and touch the display when handling it and it should not react to simple touching in my view - and it does not.
Thanks kkrammer, so you havent noticed respectively cant confirm the lag mentioned by donbronzi and jon- in the indicated thread. I am asking in particular because vangrieg stated the used Qualcomm processor shouldnt be the fastest.
As to the touch screen, this is certainly a subjective matter but personally I really like Samsung's way to respond even to a very very light touch without having to actually press it. So you would say one actually has to press it, a light touch doesnt do it?
Touch HD finger pressure
After owning a Touch Diamond, I feel that the screen is much more responsive. I dont have to press hard at all. I really like it so far. Yes it is a bit bigger and heavier, its still thin. All my programs are working great.
Thanks wfhowell, actually I just went to a store and expectedly they didnt have an HD yet, however there was the Diamond and considering my touch tests I slowly begin to understand the Apple fanboys. Coming from the Samsung F480 I was almost unable to use it. So how much would you say was the HD improved in this area?
Maybe someone who used Apple's, the F480 and the HD could outline where he/she would see the differences.
hi drzoid
i know what you mean about the screen but thats the difference between the two different screen technologies. if you want the ability to use a stylus the phone can only detect it if you push. iphones can measure the current through your finger with a lot less screen pressure.
that said i use rhe advanced configuration tool from the diamond forum to make the screen more sensitive. not as nice as iphone but close
Its the best phone till today... awesome tough still not perfect..
Unless you still think that a phone requires a QWERTY keyboard (I haven't missed on yet on this awesome phon) I'd run to my local dealer
Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
marcel808 said:
hi drzoid
i know what you mean about the screen but thats the difference between the two different screen technologies. if you want the ability to use a stylus the phone can only detect it if you push. iphones can measure the current through your finger with a lot less screen pressure.
that said i use rhe advanced configuration tool from the diamond forum to make the screen more sensitive. not as nice as iphone but close
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Thanks Marcel, I know Apple's touch screen as well as - probably - the F480's measure via the skin but nonetheless I was "shocked" today when I saw what touching means in terms of the Diamond.
How "close" would you say is the sensitivity you mentioned?
Can someone who has experience with the Wizard and the HD tell if there is an actual difference in the sensitivity.
I'd love to get an HD - even if its price is currently almost prohibitive - but I am not sure whether I'd really like to go back.
mwatson said:
Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
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its not worth the upgrade in my opinion.
I found you have to push a fair bit harder with the stylus on the screen than with your finger. If you use your finger it responds to a very light touch in comparism and is very responsive.
Thanks, for a real-world example, how hard would one have to press to slide the tabbar on the home screen left and right. Would just placing the finger without actual pressure be enough?
hi drzoid
how sensitive is the screen on mine...not sure how best to answer.
On an iphone I hardly have to touch the screen. As soon as the skin touches, thats enough.
With the HD, if I press the screen, I have to push until the top of my finger squashes by 1mm. Does that makes sense??!
So try pushing on a hard surface so 1mm of your finger squashes...and thats an HD
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On an iphone I hardly have to touch the screen. As soon as the skin touches, thats enough.
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Just like with the F480.
marcel808 said:
With the HD, if I press the screen, I have to push until the top of my finger squashes by 1mm. Does that makes sense??!
So try pushing on a hard surface so 1mm of your finger squashes...and thats an HD
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Thank you Marcel, perfect explanation, even though I am not sure whether this is really close if one has to push 1mm into the screen .
Somehow my excitement gets colder, unfortunately
F480 has a capacitive screen, just like the iPhone and G1, so the HD would be worse touchy-wise (resistive screen), but according to reviews HD's screen is quite close to iPhone's sensitivity. Anyway, you can't write with the stylus on those and you can on the HD
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F480 has a capacitive screen, just like the iPhone and G1, so the HD would be worse touchy-wise (resistive screen), but according to reviews HD's screen is quite close to iPhone's sensitivity. Anyway, you can't write with the stylus on those and you can on the HD
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Well, personally I dont really need a stylus, although the magnetic of the HD makes a precious impression. Anyhow Samsung's screen is what I would really define as touch screen. It would be interesting how close it is, but the 1mm Marcel mentioned doesnt sound too close .... I guess I will have to wait until I can see the HD live.
What a shame almost
For me, the ability to use stylus is a big plus. I like the option of being able to use product such as Netfront Browser. It is a lot easier to click on links and to type quickly on keyboards as compared to using finger. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against fingers. In fact, 99% of the time I use my device with just fingers. There are times when I feel that stylus is a lot easier. I consider this to be a plus over iPhone actually. I wish iPhone can support both, because then I need not zoom in before activating a link.
I would say it's about the same as using a touchpad on a laptop if using your finger, it's pretty good
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Is it worth paying £500 to upgrade from the diamond? I'm not sure wether to go for it or not? Is the HD just a diamond with a bigger screen? Its a lot of money to pay just for that.
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I have both the diamond (business phone) and, recently, the HD (personal phone). The HD is a step change in a number of ways. The larger screen, in purely size terms, makes sense of the touchflo interface. Buttons are big, and useable, and I'm rarely (if ever) pulling out the stylus. Also the software itself is faster, more developed (losts of little changes - like answering a call uses a finger gesture, rather than pressing a button - which means you are much less likely to inadvertantly answer an incoming call in your pocket. a little thing, but one of a myriad of significant little changes). The stock ROM is blisteringly fast in comparison (my diamond is the t-mobile version, and a shocker in comparison). Given that they are roughly the same hardware it shows what the diamond may become capable of. The screen is spectacular. The sensitivity (though lacking multi-touch, no biggie for me) feels just right. The battery life literally takes my breath away. I've run it for two lumps of two days, and not yet got the battery below 50%. My diamond corpses after about 24 hours.
It's the best WM device I've had by a country mile, and I've had a few. I still like my diamond, though. It's little and I can look after it much better when I'm out for a riotous night on the town. The HD is big, and until I can get a silicone case for it, it's a dropped smashed phone waiting to happen (I hate having to remove a phone from a case to use it, it massively increases the chance of accidents).
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I would say it's about the same as using a touchpad on a laptop if using your finger, it's pretty good
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Really? If I judge it from my Acer Aspire I would then actually call it decent.
I really have to find a store where you can try it out .
eaglesteve said:
For me, the ability to use stylus is a big plus. I like the option of being able to use product such as Netfront Browser. It is a lot easier to click on links and to type quickly on keyboards as compared to using finger. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against fingers. In fact, 99% of the time I use my device with just fingers. There are times when I feel that stylus is a lot easier. I consider this to be a plus over iPhone actually. I wish iPhone can support both, because then I need not zoom in before activating a link.
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Well, I can talk only for the F480 which actually has Netfront and there you can click links without zooming, even if you have aim well sometimes.
Lets say I am not against a stylus but I am for the touch experience the F480 brings .
Im closing this thread. This kind of postings leads to no good. Flaming is not accepted
Itje
After receiving my X1 yesterday, I was TOTALLY disappointed. What a piece of shi*
The thing is SLOW, the screen is TINY, and the panels interface....what a waste of time and energy. I've always used WM phones in the past and owned the original iPhone and then the 3G iPhone. I love my iPhone and hate it at the same time (don't worry this isn't an iPhone fanboy post). I need my cut and paste, and overall basic functionality without having to jailbreak the damn thing to make i do what I want.
So I thought I would cop an Xperia. It didn't last 24 hrs before I decided to RMA that puppy right back to SonyStyle.
What I hated about it:
- Screen was TINY. I was really shocked at how small it was. The screen and the unit itself. The web pictures and reviews don't really paint a picture of how small this thing is. Small and light is good, but the screen is crappy after coming from an iPhone.
- Touchscreen? I think not. The touch screen is no more touch than a PPC-6700.
- SLOOOOOOOW
- After charging it and waking up this morning the screen was defunct. It was like the contrast was turned all the way up or something. The sceen looked totally washed out. Major disappointment.
Overall I was just really let down. This phone is not work $799. Maybe I set my expectations too high, but it wasn't at all what I was expecting.
Not to mention I was already thinking about putting TouchFLo on it, then I said...why am I trying to put TouchFLo on this piece of crap when I can just get me a Touch HD and be done with it.
I want the CLOSEST thing to an iPhone style setup but with ease/convenience/flexibility of Windows Mobile. I PRAY that I won't be disappointed with the Touch HD I just purchased.
I understand how you feel. If I were you, I would have just installed TF3D onto your xperia. That's the clostest to an iphone setup. I have an iphone too and it takes some getting use to the xperia touch screen.
almost the opposite, after using it for the day, im put my iphone 3g up on ebay for sale
using Touch-IT Xperi.v3.5 and disabled the panel and X key, it is fast and responsive. the only disappointment is the screen is lower than surrounding. really good resolution.
Also topic creator, HTC makes this "crap" phone that you speak of (xperia) Same company who makes the touch HD
Yea I understand I would try it with the new updated ROM R2 (but you have already RMA'd it) but I felt the same way - for the price it should be much better - I feel the real problem is with the software and the latest SONY released ROMs have made the phone actually work.
yogi:
I'm fully aware that HTC makes the Xperia. I'm sure Sony had a lot to do with how they wanted their phone to operate. I'm generally just not pleased with it. I feel good about the Touch HD. I think it's going to be the closest I can get to a Windows Mobile funtional OPEN phone with iPhone like useability. I should have known the X1 wasn't going to be much different from an old PPC-6700 that I owned back in the day.
That's cool man but I would have gave the xperia some more time. I was going to get a touch HD myself but couldn't pass up the price I got for the xperia. And with the new update, touchFlo 3D is butter smooth.
derrickonline said:
After receiving my X1 yesterday, I was TOTALLY disappointed. What a piece of shi*
The thing is SLOW, the screen is TINY, and the panels interface....what a waste of time and energy. I've always used WM phones in the past and owned the original iPhone and then the 3G iPhone. I love my iPhone and hate it at the same time (don't worry this isn't an iPhone fanboy post). I need my cut and paste, and overall basic functionality without having to jailbreak the damn thing to make i do what I want.
So I thought I would cop an Xperia. It didn't last 24 hrs before I decided to RMA that puppy right back to SonyStyle.
What I hated about it:
- Screen was TINY. I was really shocked at how small it was. The screen and the unit itself. The web pictures and reviews don't really paint a picture of how small this thing is. Small and light is good, but the screen is crappy after coming from an iPhone.
- Touchscreen? I think not. The touch screen is no more touch than a PPC-6700.
- SLOOOOOOOW
- After charging it and waking up this morning the screen was defunct. It was like the contrast was turned all the way up or something. The sceen looked totally washed out. Major disappointment.
Overall I was just really let down. This phone is not work $799. Maybe I set my expectations too high, but it wasn't at all what I was expecting.
Not to mention I was already thinking about putting TouchFLo on it, then I said...why am I trying to put TouchFLo on this piece of crap when I can just get me a Touch HD and be done with it.
I want the CLOSEST thing to an iPhone style setup but with ease/convenience/flexibility of Windows Mobile. I PRAY that I won't be disappointed with the Touch HD I just purchased.
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Have you heard of customizing the phone to suit your needs? If you want it to perform out of the box, then you should have stuck with your iphone
you should read what are you buying. Xperia is a professional device, made for use with a stylus or to be customized with alternative interface.
I you want a soap box ready to use go to buy an iphone
different target, different potential, different users
All the customizing in the world couldn't make up for the work needed to get that Xperia up to par.
Get over it man!
Regards,
Astoroth
X1 --- You gotta love it
the iphone is a joke compared with any decent windows mobile device... a gadget that you have to "jailbreak" just to do something without going the manufacturer's way is a ****ing ****.
anyways, my X1 is fast, actually is one of the fastest (in overall experiencie) wmo devices out there. also, the screen is not tiny, sure the iphone or the touch hd are a bit bigger, but hey, the x1 itself is smaller! do you understand that you can't get both things (smaller device + bigger screen = fail).
i don't understand why you decided to get an x1 if you were happy with the form factor of the iphone. i would have thought that the touch hd iis the closest match.
personally, i'm delighted with the x1. it's the first pocket pc i've ever had that actually feels like a phone rather than a pda in my pocket.
i'm more than happy to have a smaller screen if it means that the device is more pocketable, and i get a hardware keyboard too.
admittedly the panels aren't much to shout about but i've got absolutely no complaints about speed on my device. on the contrary, it's the fastest pocketpc i've ever owned.
hopefully the touch hd will be more suited to your needs ...
Im sooo sorry for you!
Cmon man, this is a developers site. If you dont like it, customize it!
I dont really know WHY youre telling us how you hate it? Like we care.
I love my Xperia!
3.5" @ 320 x 480
3" @ 800 x 480
Righhhhtt.....
If 0.5" matters to you that much, go back to iPhone
derrickonline said:
After receiving my X1 yesterday, I was TOTALLY disappointed. What a piece of shi*
The thing is SLOW, the screen is TINY, and the panels interface....what a waste of time and energy. I've always used WM phones in the past and owned the original iPhone and then the 3G iPhone. I love my iPhone and hate it at the same time (don't worry this isn't an iPhone fanboy post). I need my cut and paste, and overall basic functionality without having to jailbreak the damn thing to make i do what I want.
So I thought I would cop an Xperia. It didn't last 24 hrs before I decided to RMA that puppy right back to SonyStyle.
What I hated about it:
- Screen was TINY. I was really shocked at how small it was. The screen and the unit itself. The web pictures and reviews don't really paint a picture of how small this thing is. Small and light is good, but the screen is crappy after coming from an iPhone.
- Touchscreen? I think not. The touch screen is no more touch than a PPC-6700.
- SLOOOOOOOW
- After charging it and waking up this morning the screen was defunct. It was like the contrast was turned all the way up or something. The sceen looked totally washed out. Major disappointment.
Overall I was just really let down. This phone is not work $799. Maybe I set my expectations too high, but it wasn't at all what I was expecting.
Not to mention I was already thinking about putting TouchFLo on it, then I said...why am I trying to put TouchFLo on this piece of crap when I can just get me a Touch HD and be done with it.
I want the CLOSEST thing to an iPhone style setup but with ease/convenience/flexibility of Windows Mobile. I PRAY that I won't be disappointed with the Touch HD I just purchased.
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Are u using Xperia from Sony Ericsson???
Mine is different. Clear screen, fast and wonderful. If I may say, this baby just know what I need.
my SE X1 rocks ....
i always get compliments about it! (more than an iphone would anyday) ok the panels are kinda a waste of space ...but still they are still cool.
and yes when i first got it i didnt like the speed and it did lag ...but its now a custom pocket rocket, no operator crap etc.
i would like to say a friend of mine has a iphone, played with it for a few hours and was very disapointed. apart from the flashy UI its really a rubbish phone (bought through a apple hype machine that tells u its cool to have one). the x1 was hard to get into but some remarks made are rubbish. small screen???? slow? i think not.
ps. bluetooth / mms on iphone anyone, screen rez is poor too and i heard it cant multitask. thats why it runs very fast.
thats my rant over.
u should also check out the phone before u buy it, i checked out iphone/htc hd and blackberry storm. its only when u have it in your hand and have a play u can really decide which is best for u. i needed the hardware keyboard
There's always individual need which is important.
Many many users rather want a device to "feel right" than "do a lot". And that's fine.
However IMO the author makes two mistakes: X1 screen is many times better than iPhone, and "iPhone" usability is laugh compared to X1...
Provocation... ehh...
Hi guys,
I'm curious. What is the lifespan of the HTC Touch HD's screen? I know it's a seemingly random question, but I was just wondering. I tend to keep my devices for a very long time so this would be valuable information in helping me decide if this is the phone for me.
Cheers.
Well, I have noticed that the screen is a bit scratch sensitive as the top layer is made of plastic. Screen responsiveness is mediocre and clarity and picture quality are good to very good. Overall I like the screen. =]
antrak said:
Well, I have noticed that the screen is a bit scratch sensitive as the top layer is made of plastic. Screen responsiveness is mediocre and clarity and picture quality are good to very good. Overall I like the screen. =]
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Antrak,
Thanks for that input. I appreciate it. However, I was wondering about the touch screen's duration, as in, how many years before the touch screen will crap out on you. Any idea?
Also, the screen's responsiveness can be fixed by using a registry editor and looking for the responsiveness setting. I think you can hop on over to the X1 to see what the registry mod is.
Cheers.
PoisonWolf said:
Antrak,
Thanks for that input. I appreciate it. However, I was wondering about the touch screen's duration, as in, how many years before the touch screen will crap out on you. Any idea?
Also, the screen's responsiveness can be fixed by using a registry editor and looking for the responsiveness setting. I think you can hop on over to the X1 to see what the registry mod is.
Cheers.
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No problem. Ah in that way. Well I think that if you take good care of your device and handle it carefully, the touch screen won't fail any sooner then other components of the device will. I still have a device that's way over it's preservation date and the screen still functions the way it's supposed too, so I don't really think you will have any trouble with that.
I did the registry settings and tweaks, I still find it mediocre though. In my mind I put it in this list -Touch HD Mediocre - Touch Diamond 2 Good - Capacitive Excellent -.
But thing is, the bigger the screen is on a resistive screen type device, the more pressure you need to give, not incredibly much but still.
antrak said:
No problem. Ah in that way. Well I think that if you take good care of your device and handle it carefully, the touch screen won't fail any sooner then other components of the device will. I still have a device that's way over it's preservation date and the screen still functions the way it's supposed too, so I don't really think you will have any trouble with that.
I did the registry settings and tweaks, I still find it mediocre though. In my mind I put it in this list -Touch HD Mediocre - Touch Diamond 2 Good - Capacitive Excellent -.
But thing is, the bigger the screen is on a resistive screen type device, the more pressure you need to give, not incredibly much but still.
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Antrak,
Thank you for that input. You've given me confidence in wanting to get this phone now (I would have gotten it already, but I was scammed about 2 months ago and I had to save again)! How is the usability of the phone using fingers alone? How often would you need to use the stylus?
Cheers.
PoisonWolf said:
Antrak,
Thank you for that input. You've given me confidence in wanting to get this phone now (I would have gotten it already, but I was scammed about 2 months ago and I had to save again)! How is the usability of the phone using fingers alone? How often would you need to use the stylus?
Cheers.
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Too bad to hear that you've been scammed!
It is a really great device, I loved it from the moment it came out of it's nice black box.
I actually never use the stylus, and I have decently fat fingers. With a screen this size, I have no problems whatsoever navigating through the windows mobile 6.1 screens and I can't understand how some people actually use a stylus on this thing. For me, it's -completely- (including small 6.1 buttons) finger friendly.
agree with antrak =) it is a wonderful device =) I still use the stylus at times though, mostly for the transcriber input mode =) never recall any time where I was forced to use the stylus instead of fingers =)
figner use is quite ok.. though i agree touch HD screen is not as responsive as ..say compared to X1
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figner use is quite ok.. though i agree touch HD screen is not as responsive as ..say compared to X1
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leobox,
Well, that is perfectly fine with me. Not-as-responsive-screen > Eventually-cracking-case.
May I ask where you blokes purchased your Touch HD from (US folks). Also, do you need any sort of data plan to be able to use navigation software? I ask because Im not sure if aGPS systems require that or do you only need to pay for Navigation software? I'm also going to guess that using your phone as a GPS-System will eat the battery faster than you can say "The THD is teh sheetz!" ?
Cheers.
guys. it was pure JOY to be an owner of SE Xperia, but enough is enough. I just got another cracks so I've decided to let it go and got myself new htc hd2.
seriously, typing in landscape on it is not that bad and comparable speed/accuracy wise with that not so perfect x1 physical qwerty. btw... speed. snapdragon. do I need to say more?
anyway... I guess no x2 for me after what I've seen on videos. no n900 either, even if I was considering getting one. x2 is daaaamn tooo slooooooww (seems to stutter even more than x1) and n900 unfortunately is a one big bug and shortcoming.
wish me luck...
see You on other parts of the forum. bye...
BTW: anyone knows what've happened with orelsi?? I almost miss that crazy bugger always knowing better... maybe his xperia finally cracked and he commited seppuku?? lol
lol good luck with your hd2, im thinking of buying one myself as a second device
btw, i too was wondering what happened to orelsi lol, havent seen him around here for a while, let's hope he aint clocked out
Well always good luck with the device you wish beeing the best for you.
Capactive screen is like seppuku for me,
As for HD2.
Actually I wonder more and more often what will I do in the future.
Even considering that I'll get my X2, I assume capactive will become
a ****ing tendency soon.
In this case I don't imagine using TouchScreen anymore!
well there will be two of us ... i hate so much capacitive ... but there might be some explanation for this ... my hands get really wet often and touching with the sensitive part of my fingers and swaping around gives me the nerves so i always touch the screen with the nails or top finger ... and not to mention the stylus problem ... I hope there are more people who dislike this thing... Ive heard there are also screens hybrid ... capacitive and resistive screens around.
And what the hell ... I dont get it this finger typing is by default non precise how can you make objects so big that you can use only your finger in such a small screen ... Web pages are not so big and with buttons there are also links ...
This is all Iphone fault
the snapdragon really makes a big difference in the speed and performace compared to slow x1 doesnt it??
i too dumped my x1 for a snapdragon phone. the lower-profile acer s200. lol. (hd2 a tad too big for me).
now i can watch hq wmv videos with no stutter at all.
i was looking at that phone as a replacement but just cant afford a new one when the x1a is still fullfilling my needs.
good luck with that phone, looking forward to reading your xperience (pun intended) with the hd2. hopefully next year i will replace my x1a with the hd2 or maybe an hd2 pro in the future.
well... still here. waiting for hd2 (delivery on monday, great deal with o2).
do not get me wrong, as I am not trying to convert anyone to hd2, but this whole need for resistive screen and real qwerty is becoming less and less obvious for me.
capacitive screen, read - toughened glass, hard to scratch, forces companies like ms to improve ui on their systems. see... the only good uses for styli are handwriting (are You handwriting with Your mouse on a pc?) and drawing (again, are You so much better with drawing using mouse on a pc comparing to sketches made with finger on a capacitive touch screen??). imho multitouch is more important than stylus.
qwerty... well... again - do some tests as I did. spb keyboard 4.1.1 trial, landscape fullscreen with clicking sound for better typing feel. I couldn't believe my eyes, as it wasn't much slower (if it was at all) or less accurate.
all I'm going to miss is xperia's still shot quality. some pictures shot in daylight are comparable quality with real cameras, and not those ****ty ones.
... but hey. I won't have to convert videos anymore.
anyway... I will keep my x1 as a backup device and I'll come back in here to share my hd2perience from ex x1 user point of view.
btw, I am not beeing paid for it.
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well... still here. waiting for hd2 (delivery on monday, great deal with o2).
do not get me wrong, as I am not trying to convert anyone to hd2, but this whole need for resistive screen and real qwerty is becoming less and less obvious for me.
capacitive screen, read - toughened glass, hard to scratch, forces companies like ms to improve ui on their systems. see... the only good uses for styli are handwriting (are You handwriting with Your mouse on a pc?) and drawing (again, are You so much better with drawing using mouse on a pc comparing to sketches made with finger on a capacitive touch screen??). imho multitouch is more important than stylus.
qwerty... well... again - do some tests as I did. spb keyboard 4.1.1 trial, landscape fullscreen with clicking sound for better typing feel. I couldn't believe my eyes, as it wasn't much slower (if it was at all) or less accurate.
all I'm going to miss is xperia's still shot quality. some pictures shot in daylight are comparable quality with real cameras, and not those ****ty ones.
... but hey. I won't have to convert videos anymore.
anyway... I will keep my x1 as a backup device and I'll come back in here to share my hd2perience from ex x1 user point of view.
btw, I am not beeing paid for it.
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i am torn between the HD2 and the X2
X2 = slow and keyboard
HD2 = Fast and no keybard
But i am so tempted to get the HD2 - to be honest i cant ever see my self using like the tilewave etc on x2 >.<
yeah... spb ms 3.5.x and manila are mos def better option than panels. have You tried that test with onscreen keys that I mentioned above? this and a visit in local o2 shop to get the feel of it convinced me to give it a go.
the last thing I was worried about was the lack of d-pad, but... honestly I do not play games much. other thing is that with recently hacked multitouch api apps like fpsece could use it in the future for virtual onscreen pad.
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BTW: anyone knows what've happened with orelsi?? I almost miss that crazy bugger always knowing better... maybe his xperia finally cracked and he commited seppuku?? lol
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I think he bought a 3GS and is ashamed to show his face around here.
lol... You actually may be right
WhyBe said:
I think he bought a 3GS and is ashamed to show his face around here.
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that would be really funny if it were true.
I think I might upgrade to a N900 after I save enough money - the X1's reception issue is a nightmare, even after testing 8 radio versions. At least with Nokia there is assurance of reception quality - what use is a smartphone if I can't even access 3G?! Or any thing except for WiFi, for that matter. Reception is sporadic at best, and at worse it doesn't even pick up a signal but my Nokia does display full signal strength...
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BTW: anyone knows what've happened with orelsi?? I almost miss that crazy bugger always knowing better... maybe his xperia finally cracked and he commited seppuku?? lol
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I think he got 3 crack,
informatico said:
well there will be two of us ... i hate so much capacitive ... but there might be some explanation for this ... my hands get really wet often and touching with the sensitive part of my fingers and swaping around gives me the nerves so i always touch the screen with the nails or top finger ... and not to mention the stylus problem ... I hope there are more people who dislike this thing... Ive heard there are also screens hybrid ... capacitive and resistive screens around.
And what the hell ... I dont get it this finger typing is by default non precise how can you make objects so big that you can use only your finger in such a small screen ... Web pages are not so big and with buttons there are also links ...
This is all Iphone fault
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Well exactly my points.
I am not sure why everyone so upset with X1, except for kinda wimpy 7200 chip.
I like keyboard, and don't really care about resistive or capacitive touchscreen. I am fine with either.
The one thing I don't use that much, but I am certain I would greatly miss is the physical keyboard. I don't think I am going to switch until there is a full keyboard on a snapdragon.
The cracks that everyone complains about are really just a cosmetic issue, and I don't really care too much about it (although I did re-shell my phone to make it black).
It is always kind of interesting to me the various types of devices that people decide to get and why. For the most part I understand each individuals reasoning, but I am yet to be swayed that there is a better device for me.
If anyone knows of a full QWERTY hardware keyboard unit with a snapdragon that is on the horizon PLEASE let me know.
Also, I miss Orelsi in a weird way. I suppose it was just his belligerent insistence on his perspective. I bet he got an iPhone too,
EDIT: I forgot about one thing that greatly aggravated me (although I had same problem on Kaiser) was that the keyboard goes bad and needs cleaning. Because of that I reshelled because I figured if I am gonna tear it apart anyway I might as well make it look like new.
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If anyone knows of a full QWERTY hardware keyboard unit with a snapdragon that is on the horizon PLEASE let me know.
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actually there's one announced quite recently,LG eXpo GW820, 1 Ghz+qwerty,plus finger print security and a detachable projector as an optional accessory. it was initially announced for the american market and didnt mention european market,so we shall wait n see.
you might also want to keep an eye on toshiba n Acer as well,since they both got on the 1 Ghz ladder pretty early but havent make it go with qwerty yet.
btw,I am on the same boat with you, just want a decent processor with qwerty win mobile, not fussy about how advanced the bloody touch screen is going to be whatsoever...
bronx said:
BTW: anyone knows what've happened with orelsi?? I almost miss that crazy bugger always knowing better... maybe his xperia finally cracked and he commited seppuku?? lol
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he said he was using his phone to get on the net as his pc broke, i bet his x1 broke (cracked) so he cant get on the net anymore lol
ok guys. I just got it.
wow... that's all I can say. all You nonbelievers go to Your local mobile phone stores to have a look. bit too large, but I'll get used to it. speed... omg, I never knew that winmo can be that snappy. it's so iphone 3gs fast and smooth that I think I'll jizz in my pants. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4)
one last thing, try it, and forget about anything other than snapdragon. seriously.
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actually there's one announced quite recently,LG eXpo GW820, 1 Ghz+qwerty,plus finger print security and a detachable projector as an optional accessory. it was initially announced for the american market and didnt mention european market,so we shall wait n see.
you might also want to keep an eye on toshiba n Acer as well,since they both got on the 1 Ghz ladder pretty early but havent make it go with qwerty yet.
btw,I am on the same boat with you, just want a decent processor with qwerty win mobile, not fussy about how advanced the bloody touch screen is going to be whatsoever...
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Yeah, actually I knew of that, but I am afraid of leaving XDA, so I guess I meant an HTC-based device with physical QWERTY and snapdragon
Nothing in particular against LG, but I am not sure I want to deal with their ugly iPhone-like interface.
I have a Blackstone and I'm thinking about getting a Leo but a friend of mine has one and the one time I saw it I remember thinking it was way too big. Is the bigger screen useful at all? Does the phone feel too big when you're holding it in one hand and trying to click stuff or send a text? Does it feel too big in your pocket or is it fine?
Before I had the Blackstone I had a Diamond so I'm used to smaller/slim phones. Just want to make sure the Leo is something I like before I buy one, so if anyone can help answer these questions I'd appreciate it.
Only 4" and a bit smaller would have been better, but it's not too big.
In fact, it's more convenient to carry around in the pocket than the HD, because it's less bulky.
Had a Touch HD before and think the HD2 feels much better in the pocket. It's actually not that much longer and wider, but quite a lot thinner ...
the bigger screen the better. Size of the phone is good, but must not be much bigger. then i wouldnt call it a "phone" anymore.
no, i dont think so! but i guess this is a really personal decision! Just go to a store and hold i in your hand, and then you can decide yourself!
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Before I had the Blackstone I had a Diamond so I'm used to smaller/slim phones. Just want to make sure the Leo is something I like before I buy one, so if anyone can help answer these questions I'd appreciate it.
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You are basically following in my footsteps (Diamond, HD and .....eventually HD2) or should I say maybe I would like to follow in yours. Well depending on your choice.
I just got my HD and I'm happy but if I had a choice right now. No doubt it would be the HD2 as the width is hardly noticiable between the HD and the HD2. Well it least when I measured up the HD with a dummy HD2.
The HUGE screen is one of the reason I love this phone so much.
My first impression when I unboxed my phone was, " Damn! The screen is so damn big!"
But, it is not bulky, thinner than many other phone in fact. I feel much more comfortable having HD2 in my pocket than my previous N95.
I'm an asian with no large hands but i can handle the phone with one hand easily.
Nope, I think it's probably at the limit of how big you would want a phone to be though. Any larger that the HD2 and I think it might end up being too cumbersome.
Size does matter but it's not a problem with the HD2
I owned the HD and I never had a problem with the size. Before buying the HD2 I though size would be a problem nevertheless I put a deposit down to ensure I got mine from the initial shipment. I’m not disappointed. I think the size is perfect. The thinness more than overcompensates for the slightly increased width and height.
Coming from using a Diamond before, this is freckin' massive and considerably heavier than my diamond. However it's not bad at all, feels so well constucted and a pleasure to use.
I don't think of my HD2 as a phone anymore, it's like some awesome mini tablet PC that just happens to have phone capabilities .
As said above, thanks to it being so thin it's perfect. The big screen is so amazing and I don't think its worse than having my SE P1i in my pocket which was alot thicker but also alot smaller in height and width. So in my opinion the big size is great, and thanks to it being so thin it's perfect even in the pocket.
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Is the bigger screen useful at all? Does the phone feel too big when you're holding it in one hand and trying to click stuff or send a text? Does it feel too big in your pocket or is it fine?
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yes. no. fine.
I cant think any phone larger than Leo without losing the term phone and entering the netbook territory. On the other hand I am so spoiled by the perfect screen that all others seem like miniatures now!
perfect
when i first saw it i though it was going to be just a bit too big but after a few days it just seemed natural.
now i can't believe how inadequate my girlfriend's diamond is.
it also fits my shirt pocket perfectly - my diamond used to fall out a lot.
too big for one handed use
I am comming from the Touch Pro, which was very hard to use completely without stylus. The HD2 screen is very nice for touch control, but too big for one handed use.
I never had a Touch Pro 2 in my hand unfortunately, so I can not judge if it is still big enough for touch control and small enough for one handed use.
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when i first saw it i though it was going to be just a bit too big but after a few days it just seemed natural.
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Indeed.
It fits into a jeans pocket with ease, even when in a pouch and the big screen is a plus. When I look at my bro's Touch Pro I immediately take my eyes off it, so small are the words
Would agree with the above. I came from the HD and actually the HD2 fits better.... Its thinner so feels less bulky, the screen goes right to the edge of the device which is only slightly wider and taller.
I was really worried about the size, i remember thinking the HD was pretty large so thought the HD2 must be gigantic.
Coming from the HD i have to say the size is def not an issue. (Oh, you'll love the screen!)
Wait a sec, does it work with AT&T 3G in the US (I think 850 band)?
I dont think its too big, i have came from a touch hd and with a rubber case on its basicly the same size, i absolutely love the hd2 I have customized it to fit my every need and i havent had 1 problem with it so far....
(my previous phones, xda orbit, xda orbit 2, iphone, touch hd and now the hd2)
screen size very nice, does not feel too big when holding in hand thanks to the thin design, and be careful with tight pockets.