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is there a way to have the Keyboard Light come on when the device is opened?
I find it aggrevating that I must press a key first!
I second that
I third it.
I fourth it....
yeah thats pretty god damn true actualyl when your in cinema and trying to txt when u open it you have to press two buttons, (a letter to lite it up) then another to delete that letter before u can start to reply, gay !
who is the one!
does anyone have ideas heres a thought
it should be triggered with the screen rotation
Haha, this is one of the most annoying things about the wizard.
I hate that "feature" and I also hate that the backlight goes out after a second or two on the keyboard if you don't push a key.
Lol, I second that one too!
I'm sure it would be possible to make an application that simulated keypresses on the slide out keyboard, but only whilst it was open (could be detected by looking is the screen was in landscape mode or portrait mode)
Should be simple enough to make, but i've not learnt enough at university yet to tackle such a problem, maybe next summer
it should not be triggered by app simulating keypress with screen rotation or upon opening it should be executed in same manner as screen rotation.
brins0: have you tried simulating a keypress by using the onscreen keyboard? Doesn't work.
The keyboard backlight is not stimulated by non hardware keypresses (at least on the Hermes)
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jeffbar1 said:
it should not be triggered by app simulating keypress with screen rotation or upon opening it should be executed in same manner as screen rotation.
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Actually, looking into it further, there arn't actually any keys you could "press" that wouldn't result in an action on-screen. You may be able to trick the hardware into thinking you pressed a key (by possibly creating a virtual hardware key (if that is even possible)), which would make the keys light up.
Are the keyboard lights controlled by the hardware itself, or does Windows have some mention in the lighting status?
The keyboard backlight timer is all hardware controlled.
This means there is no way to change it's crappy 5 second time out, and no way to control it from within software.
Yes, it sucks. That is one of my few complaints about this device. The backlight on the keyboard DEFINATELY needs to be configurable.
vijay555 said:
brins0: have you tried simulating a keypress by using the onscreen keyboard? Doesn't work.
The keyboard backlight is not stimulated by non hardware keypresses (at least on the Hermes)
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I understand what you mean, but I think you mis-understand what i'm suggesting. The drivers for the keyboard should have something similar to a key status. If you make the status for a peticular key "pressed" or whatever, it's effectively fooling the driver into thinking the key has been pressed, hence the keys would illuminate. (I don't fully understand how the hardware works, not being an expert in this feild, and considering each new model differs (sometimes quite heavilly))
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The keyboard backlight timer is all hardware controlled.
This means there is no way to change it's crappy 5 second time out, and no way to control it from within software.
Yes, it sucks. That is one of my few complaints about this device. The backlight on the keyboard DEFINATELY needs to be configurable.
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Yeah, I gathered this was the case...
I wonder if a physical modification of the hardware would allow it to be changed... Any volunteers
Elsewise, it is impossible...
brins0 said:
Yeah, I gathered this was the case...
I wonder if a physical modification of the hardware would allow it to be changed... Any volunteers
Elsewise, it is impossible...
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Any electrical diagrams of the keyboards interface? lol
Why not just have it trigger upon landscape activation?
I too would like to see the keyboard light come on when landscape is activated, and stay on until landscape is de-activated
h00ligan said:
Why not just have it trigger upon landscape activation?
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This is what we are suggesting, but this is not possible as the keyboard lights are controlled by the hardware, not by windows, so we can't really trigger them in such a way.
Unless you are willing to physically modify your hardware, it is NOT possible to make the keyboard lights activate upon sliding the keyboard open, and most likely never will be with this device, and most likely others too...
Hmm.
I know it's a stretch, but hit the delete key?
Or hit a menu key twice.
X1 manual is now online.
At first I was alarmed - no button for switching UI orientation between portrait and landscape! But then I looked a little more and I see you can assign a button to perform that function.
Otherwise reasonably obvious WinMo stuff...
The attached zip needs the file extension to .rar in order to extract it - its the manual for your viewing pleasure.
But then I looked a little more and I see you can assign a button to perform that function.
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can u tell me where did you find that in the manual?
*edit*
I've found it.
NZtechfreak said:
At first I was alarmed - no button for switching UI orientation between portrait and landscape! But then I looked a little more and I see you can assign a button to perform that function.
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Oh hooray... You can do the same thing on a Tilt. That's quite disappointing, that a phone of this caliber can't even set something up where you can rotate the screen out of the box, you need to remap one of the buttons to do it.
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Oh hooray... You can do the same thing on a Tilt. That's quite disappointing, that a phone of this caliber can't even set something up where you can rotate the screen out of the box, you need to remap one of the buttons to do it.
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That is called customization. lol...
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That is called customization. lol...
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Exactly, so screen rotation isn't standard, it needs to be customized on a phone that's almost into the triple digits of cost (USD). That's not called customization, that's called pathetic.
yep, pathetic
nap007 said:
yep, pathetic
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Why is this pathetic? They have given you a way to customise a button for this purpose. If you want it, its there, if you don't need it, it doesn't get in your way.
I think you just want to have that dedicated button to justify your purpose. Now THAT is pathetic.
^ so you joined here
now ask yourself, why did Samsung, HTC Apple and even Nokia give accelerometers to their device (which some people even found they're annoying)? why not just a customizable button like you said?
now ask yourself is there any reasonable reason why SE put away the button that was supposed to be screen orientation button?
and the damn on screen keyboard, gosh, I'm speechless...
What is the light sensor for?? Maybe it can act as a function to rotate the screen(like what it did for n82).... but this is not seen in the video demostration.
@nap007, I've been lurking here for some time already, but joined in just to reply to your comment.
Adding a feature as a marketing gimmick is one thing. The accelerometer is not really that useful in its current implementation. I do applaud SE's decision to make the screen rotation customisable to any softkey, as opposed to having a dedicated button of limited use.
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^ so you joined here
now ask yourself, why did Samsung, HTC Apple and even Nokia give accelerometers to their device (which some people even found they're annoying)? why not just a customizable button like you said?
now ask yourself is there any reasonable reason why SE put away the button that was supposed to be screen orientation button?
and the damn on screen keyboard, gosh, I'm speechless...
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You ALSO been here ONLY for a couple of weeks. People here are inerested in the Xperia, and looking for info or help.
If you think is pathetic, what is your decision? Are you getting something else? I don't understand why you hang around here, instead to welcome new people and contribute, you discharge your personal frustrations.
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What is the light sensor for?? Maybe it can act as a function to rotate the screen(like what it did for n82).... but this is not seen in the video demostration.
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Welcome gvino you are in right place.
Xperia has 4 lcd lights one in every corner. You can set each one to alert you for up to 12 different event.
That's cool. Very nice touch from SE.
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You ALSO been here ONLY for a couple of weeks. People here are inerested in the Xperia, and looking for info or help.
If you think is pathetic, what is your decision? Are you getting something else? I don't understand why you hang around here, instead to welcome new people and contribute, you discharge your personal frustrations.
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funny how you didn't say anything to BLACK93300ZX, as I was only agreed with him
I didnt know it had a built in stylus...Excellent!
The problem as I see it is that the actual button is gone; which button are we supposed to assign our custom request to? Panels? Call end? There are no frigging buttons to assign anything to!
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@nap007, I've been lurking here for some time already, but joined in just to reply to your comment.
Adding a feature as a marketing gimmick is one thing. The accelerometer is not really that useful in its current implementation. I do applaud SE's decision to make the screen rotation customisable to any softkey, as opposed to having a dedicated button of limited use.
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The problem as I see it is that the actual button is gone; which button are we supposed to assign our custom request to? Panels? Call end? There are no frigging buttons to assign anything to!
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Exactly! There should be a specific key that one could program for this. Customization is good, but a specific button should be there.
In the latest prototype models there was usually a Funciton Key mentioned on the left side of the device. Maybe this manual does not mention that 'cos it was written before that decision or something? It does say "This is a DRAFT publication". Let's hope that this is the case.
As shown in the manual, there are 2 softkeys, labelled as Selection Keys, immediately below the screen, one on the left and other on the right. As far as I can see, these softkeys are not specifically assigned to any particular functions.
One could say that these softkeys could correspond to options show on screen immediately above, but you could just press the options on the screen anyway, so quite redundant in this premise.
Thus, these 2 softkeys can be permanently assigned to function as the screen rotation button, if you so desire. SE may well even default one of these softkeys to be the screen rotation button for production units.
The manual we have now is not yet complete, and we'll have to see the production one to see for sure.
I really don't see what's the problem and fuss here.
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funny how you didn't say anything to BLACK93300ZX, as I was only agreed with him
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Ok nap007, is your opinion and you have the right to it. But don't tell me to go after everyone on this site. Friends?
I got news about the FCC TEST REPORT.
the USA version was approved and the 3G bands is 1900.
AT&T people should be happy.
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1011331&native_or_pdf=pdf
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As shown in the manual, there are 2 softkeys, labelled as Selection Keys, immediately below the screen, one on the left and other on the right. As far as I can see, these softkeys are not specifically assigned to any particular functions.
One could say that these softkeys could correspond to options show on screen immediately above, but you could just press the options on the screen anyway, so quite redundant in this premise.
Thus, these 2 softkeys can be permanently assigned to function as the screen rotation button, if you so desire. SE may well even default one of these softkeys to be the screen rotation button for production units.
The manual we have now is not yet complete, and we'll have to see the production one to see for sure.
I really don't see what's the problem and fuss here.
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YEAH, I am sure I saw a youtube video where the person very clearly puts the finger at the bottom to rotate the screen. At the time I thought if was a touch on the screen, now I believe it was the left soft key.
Yes, that video is of Magnus himself doing a demo for journalists. He did press the left-side softkey to rotate the screen, because someone asked him whether you could rotate the screen without opening the keyboard. Well, there you have it.
Hi there,
can anyone explain me how to get access to the control of the "Button LEDs"?
I know there must be a way because in Android those LEDs are glowing for example when you touch a button. At WM they only glow if you PRESS a button or touch the scroll wheel.
Thank you in advance
+1 here, that would be a nice option too
OK, what exactly do you all want? Buttons that light up on touch? is that all?
I'm brainstorming on ideas for my next version of X-Sense, so.... be creative!
Cheers
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OK, what exactly do you all want? Buttons that light up on touch? is that all?
I'm brainstorming on ideas for my next version of X-Sense, so.... be creative!
Cheers
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That would be a first step. The default settings (light up all LEDs on button press or on scroll wheel touch) is just stupid.
The next step could be something like use the sensors on the buttons as extra buttons or use the LEDs as indicatiors for diffrent stuff. The scroll wheel for example seems to have 3 or more diffrent LEDs as Backlight. This could be used to indicate the battery status.
shirreer said:
OK, what exactly do you all want? Buttons that light up on touch? is that all?
I'm brainstorming on ideas for my next version of X-Sense, so.... be creative!
Cheers
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Customizable options for the so the lights can follow your touch when scrolling ?
Not practical but it would look good
But how could we interact with the sensors?
I dont think they land somewhere in the message queue of windows mobil. I think we have to rewrite the driver which is responsible for them. But maybe I'm wrong, because I don't have a lot of experience with the windows Mobil API. I prefer managed code like C#.
As far as I understand, the center of the dpad is the only part of the hardware that has the capability of sensing when you touch it. The only way you are gonna get the other buttons to respond is with a button press unless you modify the hardware.
try the latest version of xdandroid. if u thouch for example the back key, it glows.
so, no. every button has a sensor on it
Just so we're all on the same page, the entire area below the screen is a touchpad, it is sensitive to touch & motion - there is an app that implements this very nicely as both a touchpad and touch launcher/Task Mgr. My xsense app already interacts with button lights to show several events (i.e. stylus out, volume profiles).
freaksey said:
try the latest version of xdandroid. if u thouch for example the back key, it glows.
so, no. every button has a sensor on it
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shirreer said:
Just so we're all on the same page, the entire area below the screen is a touchpad, it is sensitive to touch & motion - there is an app that implements this very nicely as both a touchpad and touch launcher/Task Mgr. My xsense app already interacts with button lights to show several events (i.e. stylus out, volume profiles).
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OK Sorry! I have the cdma diamond on sprint so I didn't know the other versions(gsm) had touch sensative buttons! My d-pad is that way but the others are not. Forgive my ignorance.
Y'all should check this app out; I'm not in league with the developer, but I recognize his talent on this one. Its an amazing app that does all of the above and more - and there's a trial version:
http://mobilesrc.com/gscroll2.aspx
this app looks nice.
Is anyone out their who can explain me how to catch the events of button-touch area?
freaksey said:
this app looks nice.
Is anyone out their who can explain me how to catch the events of button-touch area?
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Google for Koushik's sensors.dll library; it comes with sample apps etc...
in his libary is only a event for the rotation of the scroll wheel...
touch lock pro
As I know, app called "Touch lock pro" can do some settings with the ring LED's, so this can be the way
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Good idea.......
would be a very nice mod.
+1 on this, much needed maybe there could be a setting to say what the lock buton does, either locks the screen, or takes picture...
renegadedj said:
+1 on this, much needed maybe there could be a setting to say what the lock buton does, either locks the screen, or takes picture...
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i was thinking the same thing since the first time i picked up the phone i thought the lock button would be on top and that the actual lock button was the camera button haha. but yeah i think itd be awesome to disable it when the camera is in use...and if we could disable the stupid low battery warning when the cam is in use too....we've got a notification led fix in the works already, a recovery image is being worked on, some devs are planning on porting CM6 to this phone, GPS and compass i believe are fixed for those who had problems with them, nightmode works a treat, so all we need are those 2 mods and i think the vibrant will be perfect...well for me anyway but im sure many would agree lol.
Even the lock/power button would be perfect.
iunlock said:
Even the lock/power button would be perfect.
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i added another idea to the first post. check it out.
uber bump! any devs considering this idea?
would this get more attention if i posted this in the development section as a think tank?
would really appreciate something like this. bump
boodies said:
would really appreciate something like this. bump
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i wonder if the cm6 port would incorporate it...idk why samsung didnt include a camera button, then again im surprised how they squeezed so many features and tons of horsepower into this light little thing in the first place haha
+1 this would be a great add-on
I agree. This would be excellent!
can someone with twitter send this to wesgarner? i would but i dont have a twitter and i dont think he checks these forums very often.
This should definitely be possible, since in the video player, the lock/power doesn't lock the screen - it just disables the touch screen - so that touching the screen doesn't do anything like causing the control buttons to appear. This proves that the button itself is programmable based on the app.
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This should definitely be possible, since in the video player, the lock/power doesn't lock the screen - it just disables the touch screen - so that touching the screen doesn't do anything like causing the control buttons to appear. This proves that the button itself is programmable based on the app.
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wow thats neat i never noticed that! i'm sure its possible we just need somebody with the know-how to implement it. also, i think i mentioned this before, but since on the g1 devs were able to add a reboot option (which btw would be cool if we did that here too) i was thinking there should be a camera option in the menu to launch the camera app. and if we could remove the stupid camera/video disabler when low battery comes on, thatd be awesome too. i'm sure once a custom rom comes along these things could be implemented but we gotta grab a devs attention first.
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This should definitely be possible, since in the video player, the lock/power doesn't lock the screen - it just disables the touch screen - so that touching the screen doesn't do anything like causing the control buttons to appear. This proves that the button itself is programmable based on the app.
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The camera app does this too.
I'm hoping that someone has picked up on this and that it is in the works, I hope that it's doable.
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I am not sure how others take notes and avoid this issue, but when I attempt to take notes on the Note, almost always my palm touches the "Menu" or the "Back" capacitive button and the note in progress either gets saved or cancelled.
I was looking forward to writing on the note extensively for note-taking, but it seems impossible with the palm touching the capacitive buttons. Would a developer with know-how on this subject look into disabling the capacitive buttons while taking notes with the S Pen and the palm placed on the screen, or devise another solution? Thanks for exploring this issue in advance.
Please note:
Anyone commenting on this thread, I appreciate your intentions, but please DO NOT suggest ANY OTHER APP. I am purely focused on the S Note and Memo apps.
Well there is a way to disable the buttons on many roms already. Are you talking about a way to do it while unrooted? And are you trying to keep the touchwiz interface and use the smemo app??
No, You can turn the light off, but the button sup works. I think he wants to disable then completely.
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No, You can turn the light off, but the button sup works. I think he wants to disable then completely.
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Yes, I was wondering if the buttons can be disabled completely while taking notes, regardless of the ROM. Taking notes while the palm is lifted off the screen is just not natural and am not sure how Samsung saw people writing like that.
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incisivekeith said:
I am not sure how others take notes and avoid this issue, but when I attempt to take notes on the Note, almost always my palm touches the "Menu" or the "Back" capacitive button and the note in progress either gets saved or cancelled.
I was looking forward to writing on the note extensively for note-taking, but it seems impossible with the palm touching the capacitive buttons. Would a developer with know-how on this subject look into disabling the capacitive buttons while taking notes with the S Pen and the palm placed on the screen, or devise another solution? Thanks for exploring this issue in advance.
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There are few apps in the market that have palm reject feature. This will disable the capacitive buttons.
Even the standard s memo should have this feature.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24989757&postcount=4537
here is a script to disable the capitative buttons, it works perfectly on stunners rom ( haven't tried on any others ) and with the euphoria control you can disable the lights so those buttons are gone forever
I think this issue has been addressed in the new ICS stock ROM. For example, if you use your finger to press the capacitive button in S Memo, the button will work as intended. But if you place your entire palm on the right-lower part of the screen (including the capacitive button), the button doesn't respond. I just tried writing a long note with my palm resting on the screen and the capacitive button, and the app was working fine.)
I don't know if it makes a difference, but in the S Memo settings, I had set the screen to only respond to S Pen edits. Just FYI.
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I think this issue has been addressed in the new ICS stock ROM. For example, if you use your finger to press the capacitive button in S Memo, the button will work as intended. But if you place your entire palm on the right-lower part of the screen (including the capacitive button), the button doesn't respond. I just tried writing a long note with my palm resting on the screen and the capacitive button, and the app was working fine.)
I don't know if it makes a difference, but in the S Memo settings, I had set the screen to only respond to S Pen edits. Just FYI.
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Setting the screen to respond to just the pen helps a lot actually, but as you slide down while writing, the palm becomes less of a palm surface and touches the back button and the note gets saved. So it would greatly help of someone can disable the capacitive buttons altogether until some action is taken to wake them up.
The script suggested in the post above seems like an option but a simpler solution would be great.
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incisivekeith said:
I am not sure how others take notes and avoid this issue, but when I attempt to take notes on the Note, almost always my palm touches the "Menu" or the "Back" capacitive button and the note in progress either gets saved or cancelled.
I was looking forward to writing on the note extensively for note-taking, but it seems impossible with the palm touching the capacitive buttons. Would a developer with know-how on this subject look into disabling the capacitive buttons while taking notes with the S Pen and the palm placed on the screen, or devise another solution? Thanks for exploring this issue in advance.
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+111
It will be nice if someone can help to disable this annoying button.
There's no way to detect the palm everywhere - it would require quite a few painful changes in AOSP.
There is obviously a way to disable capacitive buttons totally, but you'd need to reboot to toggle.
As I said before since the later releases of GB rom , when using s memo , there is an auto detect feature which rejects palm and also disables the capacitive buttons.
Try pressing the capacitive button with the s pen close to the screen.
@Galaxy Note™…
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As I said before since the later releases of GB rom , when using s memo , there is an auto detect feature which rejects palm and also disables the capacitive buttons.
Try pressing the capacitive button with the s pen close to the screen.
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I confirm. I'm on official ics and the capacitive buttons are disabled when the pen is too close to the screen (and it's anywhere not only in smemo)
Now, I got the trick. Usually I put my palm before the pen reaches the screen.
User should put the pen then they can put his palm wherever he wants, nothing will happen both buttons are disabled.
TEST in ICS official LPY.
Thanks a lot.
Damn ... This was what i trying to say from the begining...
yyl said:
I think this issue has been addressed in the new ICS stock ROM. For example, if you use your finger to press the capacitive button in S Memo, the button will work as intended. But if you place your entire palm on the right-lower part of the screen (including the capacitive button), the button doesn't respond. I just tried writing a long note with my palm resting on the screen and the capacitive button, and the app was working fine.)
I don't know if it makes a difference, but in the S Memo settings, I had set the screen to only respond to S Pen edits. Just FYI.
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Thanks buddy. Now I can take notes with my palm resting.
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iT iS Me said:
Now, I got the trick. Usually I put my palm before the pen reaches the screen.
User should put the pen then they can put his palm wherever he wants, nothing will happen both buttons are disabled.
TEST in ICS official LPY.
Thanks a lot.
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I understand what you and alupatti are saying but when I am writing on the screen, the palm will slide down and it's not always you can focus on placing your pen first on the screen.
Thanks xplodwild for your input, too, as a developer. It just seems like a case of poor design which we are stuck with, unfortunately, until there is a real solution.
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incisivekeith said:
I understand what you and alupatti are saying but when I am writing on the screen, the palm will slide down and it's not always you can focus on placing your pen first on the screen.
Thanks xplodwild for your input, too, as a developer. It just seems like a case of poor design which we are stuck with, unfortunately, until there is a real solution.
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The pen need not be on the screen. It activates when the pen is a few mm away from the screen
It might look silly but consider taking notes with your phone upside down. That way the evil capacitive buttons won't get in the way
Disable buttons
Check my sig....flashable zip to disable and re-enable the back and menu button.
Doesn't affect the lights, just the functionality of the buttons.
@tremeron. Do you think your disable buttons flash zip can be adapted like a on/off switch on toggle bar or somehing like that?