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I hope it has touch flo kind functionality on vista.
We already know that fingers can be used instead of digitizer.
What i am looking for is touch flo kinda functionality so that we can use fingers for scrolling everywhere, especially in internet explorer.
I am a left handed person and the scroll bars are always on right so i want to know this desperately.
Very imp consideration for buying shift.
touchey feeley
shaileshashar said:
I hope it has touch flo kind functionality on vista.
We already know that fingers can be used instead of digitizer.
What i am looking for is touch flo kinda functionality so that we can use fingers for scrolling everywhere, especially in internet explorer.
I am a left handed person and the scroll bars are always on right so i want to know this desperately.
Very imp consideration for buying shift.
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if its a tablet pc running the tablet parts of vista will it not use some gestures for basics as default with the O/S? i've never had a tablet pc but have seen in use and seam to remember some gestures for vry basic shortcuts but it may have being software not thre built in to windows stuff
i think vueflow will be better...
i don't think we will know this untill it comes out and is reviewed.
Maybe this has been discussed before but no one tried to develop the idea.
well instead of S2U, i prefer to have a gesture that i choose to unlock the device... so no one can unlock it other than I... if im dont have these programming skills
anyone is able to do it?! it can be a modified version of A_C's S2U2...
karim099 said:
Maybe this has been discussed before but no one tried to develop the idea.
well instead of S2U, i prefer to have a gesture that i choose to unlock the device... so no one can unlock it other than I... if im dont have these programming skills
anyone is able to do it?! it can be a modified version of A_C's S2U2...
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Hahaha! Shouldn't that been called Gesture2Unlock?
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Hahaha! Shouldn't that been called Gesture2Unlock?
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whatever G2U ...
I like the idea of this
Cool thinkin...
No passworded needed, just a gesture.
Someone needs to copy the Microsoft Origami thingy where you unlock by tapping a certain sequence on a picture of your choice, with more security gained by moving to a smaller grid size.
ell, honestly, if you delete the images from your S2U2 directory, that should accomplish the same thing. You would just have to remember where to slide from. Or use your DPAD.
lawmangrant, i think you're missing a handy side-effect of having G2U: you can still view the today screen. I imagine that you can view the today screen, but not be able to do anything until you gesture. If anyone uses PointUI, it's kinda like the builtin lock. You see the main screen until you tap, upon which the lock screen comes up. It's pretty nice (personally use s2u2 instead) but G2U has potential uses.
It's a good idea, especially if you don't have the instructions right on the screen, it's a good locker to keep people out of your phone.
It should be Gesture2Unlock (or G2U for short) and it was discussed in the Kaiser forum here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362231&highlight=gesture
A_C, the author or S2U2 was contacted, but he didn't think he could do it, as you can see from the thread...
I still like the idea.
I have a program in mind that does exactly what you want...
hm.. not exactly...
you have to tap to 4 or 5 different points on your touchscreen to unlock your phone...
but I don´t know the name at the moment....
I´ll try to find it....
This is a great idea.......
strange !!! walking down the street today i had this exact thought
may be some day!!!!
This was good, but doesnt work anymore...
http://softava.com/archive/pp/otp_features.html#
interesting. Would be very similair to taking a biometric of a persons signature. presumably tho one wouldn't want the signature to be drawn as you gesture2unlock, but instead "draw" onto an invisible notepad.
its no easy process (have researched biometrics) as the important part if the learning/recognition algorythm which will probably involve some neural network coding (ouch but fun).
What you need is something like this!!!
http://bip.golana.pub.ro/~mmihai/sign/index.html.
I've emailed Mihail about this (the author), pointing him to this post. I will post his reply as soon as it arrives.
Here's my email:
Dear Mihail,
I came across your website whilst looking for clues as to how we might implement a fellow forum contributor’s idea on xda-developers.com (here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=370632&page=2)
His idea was to unlock a pda using a gesture on the touch screen. To my mind that mean signature which lead me to search for some algorithms on the net. Your implementation was particularly interesting as it seems quick to operate, has low memory footprint and could work on a low spec machine (such are many pda’s).
I was wondering if you implemented such a system, or if the algorithm you have developed has been release for others to use, commercially or non-profit.
Your input into the discussion would be highly valuable.
Best wishes
Sean
lawmangrant said:
ell, honestly, if you delete the images from your S2U2 directory, that should accomplish the same thing. You would just have to remember where to slide from. Or use your DPAD.
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lawmangrant, i think you're missing a handy side-effect of having G2U: you can still view the today screen. I imagine that you can view the today screen, but not be able to do anything until you gesture. If anyone uses PointUI, it's kinda like the builtin lock. You see the main screen until you tap, upon which the lock screen comes up. It's pretty nice (personally use s2u2 instead) but G2U has potential uses.
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I see pluses and minuses to this approach as opposed to using s2u2 with the deleted slide graphics.
If you want true privacy when someone picks up your phone, you wouldn't really want them to see your today screen especially if it contains appointment and tasks info, etc. That's where I think using a modified s2u2 would be better.
If you don't have appointment info on your screen or nothing that is "dynamic" or constantly changing except the clock, then you could skin s2u2 to "match" your today screen and place the clock exactly where it is on your today screen. For example if you have HTC home as your today screen, you can skin s2u2 clock to match the position and font as HTC home and then take a screenshot and modify it to a wallpaper, cutting out the clock par. The tricky part is the missed call and sms counter. S2u2 has the potential to disply that info but to replicate that look of htc home would require major changes, probably requiring A_C's help?
Of course if our devices had the horsepower, we could modify s2u2 to just take the screenshot of the today screen and load it as a wallpaper everytime it starts up, maybe a mortscript, but it would probably would be too slow realistically.
Im glad that u liked the idea... A_C said that he doesnt have the skills to do it.. but im sure he can help...
i don't mind if the appointments info appears on the screen, but i prefer no one can access all other applications... typing a password takes time... especially when activated side by side with S2U2...
Why a signature recognition? How about a gesture system like the one found in firefox plugins:
https://addons.mozilla.org/pl/firefox/addon/39
https://addons.mozilla.org/pl/firefox/addon/12
They're based on eight directions - four sideways and four diagonal.
Directions are defined as:
U - up
D - down
L - left
R - right
7 - up/left
9 - up/right
1 - down/left
3 - down/right
So to program a gesture you just need to input the directions of strokes it consists of.
For example URDL would mean drawing a rectangle starting from bottom left, and then going up, right, down, left. You can also describe more complicated gestures that way - R2D1L7U9R would mean drawing a circle starting from its top point and moving right.
In my opinion biometric algorithms don't make much sense, since they would need a styluys to work - try to draw your signature using a finger
Simplified gestures should work with finger as well as stylus, and should still provide more than enough security.
Great minds think alike.
What I wanted was a way to use touch to unlock the device very easily without it being easy to copy. I also wanted data to be safe should the device be reset.
I thought of using the standard S2U and just using a skin which didn't make it clear how to unlock so as to deter casual snoops.
There must be a way to do this! If no-one comes up with something soon then I'll dust off my programming books and give it a try.
the new Ftouch Flo a.k.a FtouchSL has some new gesturing features ( like corners )..maybe this would be useful
Maybe it's just me with my small thumbs but I find many applications place frequently used items in hard to reach places like these
I saw a SPB Mobile Shell movie where the employee left the uncomfortable places unused in his shortcuts menu, so I know I'm not the only one with this issue Of course I can't expect developers to cater to my every wish so I was wondering which programs have the easiest to customize interface. That is, not the best quality software but software where I don't have to give up my studies to learn to implement a new interface
Specifically, I'm looking for
Mp3 player - (using MortPlayer at the moment)
Keyboard - (Blimkeys is almost right for me)
Phonepad
But any and all links to easily (fully) customizable software are greatly appreciated.
See the thumbnail for areas which I think should be avoided, darker is harder to reach...
One of the best thumb friendly media players is S2P by A_C. I have it on a Windows Mobile PDA that i use as a front end in the car, load the MP3s onto an SD card and away we go.
Forgot to say that PocketCM and iContacts are both great contact managers, the latter especially if all you need is quick access to your contacts and their details.
PocketCM and rlToday will allow you to do everything
deedee said:
One of the best thumb friendly media players is S2P by A_C. I have it on a Windows Mobile PDA that i use as a front end in the car, load the MP3s onto an SD card and away we go.
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I would say S2P is very finger friendly but could be more thumb friendly. (Where, by thumb friendly I mean true one-handed usage) And then the question becomes, how easy is it to configure the UI?
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Forgot to say that PocketCM and iContacts are both great contact managers, the latter especially if all you need is quick access to your contacts and their details.
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RandomAccess would be all I need if only the right-side navigation bar could be made wider. Is this possible with PocketCM? I didn't try PocketCM very long because it's a bit unstable for me (randomly closing when sliding through contacts). This could be due to other software i have installed, not necessarily a PocketCM issue...
Thanks for your replies!
Sunra said:
RandomAccess would be all I need if only the right-side navigation bar could be made wider. Is this possible with PocketCM? I didn't try PocketCM very long because it's a bit unstable for me (randomly closing when sliding through contacts). This could be due to other software i have installed, not necessarily a PocketCM issue...
Thanks for your replies!
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Never had an issue with PocketCM closing at the wrong moment, it's just a bit heavy weight, and thus sluggish, sometimes
Do a forum search and you'll find more information than just asking in a thread.
I have been searching the forum for the past week and have learned a lot. For this question it was hard to find answers mainly because it seems few people share my ideas about usability.
Actualy, I use my fingers most of the time with my device. The only thing that is difficult is the close button. it is actualy the hardest buton to reach for. The rest of the places have a much larger box. If someone was to develop a piece of software or a registry hach that would center thetop bar's indicators and make the XButton wider, things would be much easyer.
Thet's about all I want for my wish list: being able to quit (not close) programs with my pinkey (at least) Hard to tap and hold an area of the screen in the corner with a thick frame around it
Hi! I tried the last few months to make my XDA More fingerfriendly...
Here my list of Programms:
ftouchsl or ftouchflo to close Programs bei sliding down
rltoday + Batterystatus to get infomations like last call on Screen (with big Icons)
Ultimatelaunch to switch todayscreen so I can use bigger icons Pocket CM, Pocket CM Keyboard and Pocket CM Calendar
Mortplayer can be very fingerfriendly! I made my own Skin because S2P has no alarm clock and I can use all options by finger
hope I could help!
ruebyi said:
Hi! I tried the last few months to make my XDA More fingerfriendly...
Here my list of Programms:
ftouchsl or ftouchflo to close Programs bei sliding down
rltoday + Batterystatus to get infomations like last call on Screen (with big Icons)
Ultimatelaunch to switch todayscreen so I can use bigger icons Pocket CM, Pocket CM Keyboard and Pocket CM Calendar
Mortplayer can be very fingerfriendly! I made my own Skin because S2P has no alarm clock and I can use all options by finger
hope I could help!
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I may be wrong but doesn't the down swipe of fTouchflo just minimize the application?
There is still a need for an easy to use close button that isn't tucked up in the right hand corner and blocked from fingers by the bezel.
I now have Hermes/TyTN and are used to and want be able to navigate everything office-related quickly with the keyboard (mostly Outlook Mobile and the ”File explorer” (Word-documents)
So more specifically (but feel free to answer in general terms as well):
- Is the above easy and quick?
(Especilly concerning Outlook Mobile)
- Is it possible to customize a button shorcut to the ”File explorer”?
- I noticed that the keyboard lacks soft buttons and directional arrows - how does that work out?
- Do Word Mobile documents open quickly?
I'm thinking about buying a Kaiser/TyTN II after a litte disapointing test of Touch Pro, but would like to enjoy the fun, exciting and practical things, like Google maps, of a Touch Phone as well.
/Dan
-There are 2 soft keys you can customize
-The D-pad/Optical scroll will still be usable in landscape mode and will be rotated so that it works correctly.
-It one of the fastest phones out there so yes they'll open quickly.
Thanks!
I´m afraid it lead to some more questions :s.
Okey, now I think I can see the scroll wheel which I guess works for instead of vertical arrows, but what about sideways?
By soft keys I meant the keys above the keyboard (se attachment), which one´s did you mean?
The reason I ask if it´s slow with opening Word-documents is that Touch Pro, also one of the fastest, took 15-25 sec. to open a 50kB doc. which is ridiculous because they usually are 150-200kB.
Danne said:
Thanks!
I´m afraid it lead to some more questions :s.
Okey, now I think I can see the scroll wheel which I guess works for instead of vertical arrows, but what about sideways?
By soft keys I meant the keys above the keyboard (se attachment), which one´s did you mean?
The reason I ask if it´s slow with opening Word-documents is that Touch Pro, also one of the fastest, took 15-25 sec. to open a 50kB doc. which is ridiculous because they usually are 150-200kB.
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You can set those two keys to anything you want on just about any windows mobile device so setting that to file explorer shouldn't be problem at all.
When I was talking about the optical scroller, I was talking about the Xperia. I does not have a scroll wheel. You know those little mouse pads on labtops. Well it has a mini (sorta) one of those for scrolling on the bottom of the screen or you can use it as a D-Pad.
The touch pro has touchflo3d that may slow application loading time because it causes over head. On the standard today screen the Xperia should fly with opening word docs.
Danne said:
I now have Hermes/TyTN and are used to and want be able to navigate everything office-related quickly with the keyboard (mostly Outlook Mobile and the ”File explorer” (Word-documents)
So more specifically (but feel free to answer in general terms as well):
- Is the above easy and quick?
(Especilly concerning Outlook Mobile)
- Is it possible to customize a button shorcut to the ”File explorer”?
- I noticed that the keyboard lacks soft buttons and directional arrows - how does that work out?
- Do Word Mobile documents open quickly?
I'm thinking about buying a Kaiser/TyTN II after a litte disapointing test of Touch Pro, but would like to enjoy the fun, exciting and practical things, like Google maps, of a Touch Phone as well.
/Dan
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May I ask what disappointed you in the Touch Pro?
Except slow opening of word files?
Some clarifications:
- The two soft buttons.
There are two physical buttons below the display that you can use or you can just touch the buttons on the screen itself.
When the keyboard is open there are no physical buttons on the keyboard so you have to touch the screen or use the two buttons below (now on the side of) the screen.
- Directional Keys
Around the optical mouse there are 4 directional keys that work both with the keyboard open and closed. They work fine and they logically rotate with the screen orientation.
- Optical mouse
As Kloc said it's not a scroll wheel but works similar to a touch pad on a laptop.
Danne said:
So more specifically (but feel free to answer in general terms as well):
- Is the above easy and quick?
(Especilly concerning Outlook Mobile)
- Do Word Mobile documents open quickly?
/Dan
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I don't know about navigating to Outlook quickly, but 3 panels carry a shortcut to outlook - the SE Panel, the Spb Panel, and the Windows Panel... and from the latest videos i have seen, it is fast.
There is also another video on youtube where they open various office documents on the device including spreadsheets, word document, etc. and although i did not care to notice, but i am quite certain that it was not slow. i'll try to hunt down that video and post the link here.
Hi again (after sleep and work)
Ok, now I understand which soft buttons you guys mean, I was only refering to the ones that TyTN (see pic) has in landscape mode above the keyboard (very practical). I guess I´ll have to use the touch screen for those commands.
Thanks for the clarification about the directional keys I hope they are quick to work with in keyboard ”mode” as you imply.
And msalmank, if you find the link I´ll be happy to see it, if not one of you have direct experience with opening Word-documents. On Touch Pro I actually turned off the Touch Flo 3D and it didn´t become quicker (not much anyway). Slower than my 2 year old HTC TyTN.
Why I was dissapointed in Touch Pro (except slow opening of Word-documents)?
(I realize that the perspective here is narrow, but as said, I use the PDA mostly in this narrow office-way. Constantly and quickly changing calender-appointments and writing in different Word-documents. Besides that TP does have some great stuff in it!)
- The input method with auto suggestion of Words is really crappy (I don´t know it it´s the same in all WM6.1 phones(?))
- Low sound-signals for reminders and SMS
- Low battery time (but I´we seen completely different opinions on this matter so I don´t know what´s up with that)
- Unproportionaly big menus when using the keyboard in landscape mode (might be fixable?)
I just might buy the Xperia and test it and send it back if I´m not pleased. That might be the simplest solution. But buying the first couple of weeks is always risky, isn´t it.
I'm a PC, and this is my office!
I'm a PC, I'm a PC, I'm a PC (while doing a dance)
Is it possible to hack the zoombar on our Rhodiums for being a scrollwheel like in the Video in this thread in the Blacksone section?
Would be great to use it for scrolling in the programs folder or something else!
Love this idea!
I agree with you, and in time i think we can configure it to do whatever we want. Like maybe a gesture shortcut like sweeping right for one key and sweeping left for doing some other thing.