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bootloader mode?

ok so i hit the side ok key and the other side button...put the stylus in and nothing but a soft reset....i prob shouldnt be trying to use a custom rom if i cant even get into bootloader mode huh lol?

Did you HOLD the OK and PWR buttons while using the stylus to hit the reset button? You were suppposed to...

i tried it with the power button then the side ok button and stylus..no luck
then i tried power...ok softkey....stylus.....no luck
im not too bright so bear with me lol
plus im running vista so this may not be the safest thing for me to do

TNT.1921 Series (Official/Professional) OS 5.2.1921 the newest OS is the rom i really wanna use for my titan but i dont wanna brick it or ill be doneeee

You press and hold the side OK button FIRST (it's nearest the jog wheel), keep holding it, and press the PWR button, keep holding BOTH of them and reset with the stylus...if that doesn't work, you have defective hardware

grrr just soft resets and brings up the splash screen...
i just updated my rom with the new htc release could that be causing the problem?

Find SoftSPL here in the forum. Download that and copy it to your PDA, then run it on your Hermes - it will switch your phone to bootloader mode!
I do not think that you have faulty hardware, I think you're not doing it correctly!
Hold OK + Power at the same time, keep holding those to buttons when soft-resetting your device even after you release the soft reset button ... go on keep holding those buttons until your device switches to the 3-colored screen!
If you fail and your device starts normally just keep holding the buttons and stick your stylus in the RESET whole again! Do it until you succeed! It is not that hard!
BTW: Why are you trying to set your device in bootloader mode? If your device is not yet CID / SIM unlocked you can flash only ROMs from your current provider! If it is already CID unlocked then you still can proceed flashing even without switching to bootloader mode - the ROM UPGRADE UTILITY will switch your phone to bootloader mode automatically anyway!

lol i have no clue im just trying to follow the directions so i dont brick my mogul...so your saying i can just run this and itll install on my mogul without any bricking going on?

jayweezie21 said:
lol i have no clue im just trying to follow the directions so i dont brick my mogul...so your saying i can just run this and itll install on my mogul without any bricking going on?
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If you follow the instructions exactly step-by-step it is unlikely that you brick your device! However, I am not going to motivate you to flash your device and I also will not take over responsibility in case you do! There is always a chance that something goes wrong, such as a computer crash in the middle of flashing and so on ...
The question is: Do you need to flash your device?
What ROM are you running now? What do you expect from flashing your device? What ROM are you going to flash? (This questions are important because if you only upgrade your network providers ROM then you do not need to SoftSPL nor HardSPL your device. In case you want to flash the ROM image of another network provider or custom build ROM then SoftSPL / HardSPL is required!)
So, you should answer yourself this questions first because this will guide you in the right direction ... !

well to tell you the truth i like to make changes. ive had all the treos from 600 up to present...never had an htc device. but i like change. and id like to be able to use these custom roms. im pretty familiar with pda related techs but when it comes to this im clueless. maybe im not a htc person im really just waiting till the new treo comes out to get rid of my mogul but if it showed me some power id keep it.
i just updated to the new htc stock rom but i have nothing else..and for some reason i cant get into bootloader mode. i d/led the rom i want should i just install it and see whhat happens?
i have a extra phone to use but i dont wanna brick my moguk

sorry about the typing im hella tipsy watchin the cowboys game!
thanks for all the help though!

Oh, NOW he tells us he is using a Mogul. DUH! This is the HERMES section bro. On the Mogul I believe you just hit power, camera and the reset button at the same time and you'll get to the 3 color bootloader screen. I wouldn't try to flash a HERMES rom or Bootloader on a Mogul young man...

lol crazy! could you point me in the right area then? i thought the mogul was a.k.a hermes aka tytan? they look the same thats why i figured they were.

ha i shouldve scrolled down the main page a bit more....meet me over there and help me out =)

Tytn = Hermes, Titan = Mogul, not the same unit, not the same hardware, not the same rom, not the same bootloader, not the same unlocking procedure...

bricked my vogue

i used imcokemans unlocker (which i have done before) and blee0125's kitchen and really screwed up somewhere!
i cant get it past the "htc smart mobility" screen. it comes up, tells me the driver and radio versions, then those disappear like they are supposed to and...nothing else.
any suggestions would be great, plz im dying here!
i have tried hard and soft resetting and...nothing!
THANKS.
EDIT: just for those coming to this ancient and recently revived thread, this (my) problem has been solved. altho there are other people now with similar problems

Have you tried re-flashing?

jim256 said:
i used imcokemans unlocker (which i have done before) and blee0125's kitchen and really screwed up somewhere!
i cant get it past the "htc smart mobility" screen!! it comes up, tells me the driver and radio versions, then those disappear like they are supposed to and...nothing else.
can anybody help me???? PLZ im dying here!
i have tried hard and soft resetting and...nothing!
THANKS.
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Do a camera power reset and try again.

i tried that and it didnt do anything at all. isnt that just where you hold the end key and the side camera key and stick the stylus into the hole?
if so, it have any different effect than the standard soft reset

AraqirG said:
Have you tried re-flashing?
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and i did try...sort of. im not sure how to seeing as how i can never make it past the boot screen, and therefore cannot connect it to activesync.
THANKS.

jim256 said:
and i did try...sort of. im not sure how to seeing as how i can never make it past the boot screen, and therefore cannot connect it to activesync.
THANKS.
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Hold down the power button and the camera button at the same time until the tri colored bootloader comes up. If that works, try flashing the stock rom for your carrier.
If that doesn't work try the same steps with the memory card removed.
If that doesn't work try to do a hard reset and see if that will take you to the bootloader.
Also, what are the numbers in on the bootloader...are you sure your device is unlocked? I believe it should say... SPL-00.40.coke... on the 2nd line if your unlocked.

You shouldn't need to connect to activesync to reboot. After you run ImCokeMan's unlocker you should be unlocked until you run it again.
As I said in the last post, all you have to do to get to the boot loader is hold down the power and camera buttons at the same time. This will put the phone into the boot loader and you should be able to flash back to the stock rom and start over.
It kind of sounds like you relocked the phone and then tried to boot a custom rom.

sorry i wasnt saying i needed to connect to activesync to reboot, i was saying i needed to connect to activesync to flash, and it wouldnt boot up so i couldnt get to activesync.
and i did to imcokemans unlocker, and everything went fine. when i was setting up the device (ie. setting password, time zone, calibration, etc...) i just decided that i didnt need to finish that as i was intending on flashing a custom rom anyway, and so any settings i put up the time to set would be erased.
having said that, i went ahead and starting flashing a custom rom right from the wm welcome screen that you get on a first boot.
thanks a LOT for your help, promptness, and attention

So are you back up and running?

well, now i am. i just took a 30 min drive down to the sprint store and got a replacement :S
thanks a lot for your help though, im scared i may really need to refer back to this thread later. but if i do, at least i know i should be able to fix it!
thanks.

well, i just did it again. i must be doing something wrong in the cooking of my ROMs...about to try out your solution..hope it works!!
wish me luck :S :S :S :S

well i was able to re-flash, but, unfortunately, it is stuck in the same "htc smart mobility" screen again. i think i have been able to narrow it down to the oemizer app. i must be doing something wrong in there.
oemizer http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=100746&referrerid=10115
ill keep cooking and trying tonight until i find what it is the problem is i guess, thx for your help guys. especially you 360discgolf.

well, after cooking and flashing too many times to remember this late, all i can do is ask for help when you guys wake up and check this thread.
in the last couple of builds i havent been doing anything with oemizer at all and it still hasnt been working, and i dont think i am doing anything extra in buildos that i havent done before in successful ROM images...it seems sort of erratic.
any suggestions/hints/comments would be great, thanks a lot.

you can't just hold the two buttons and press the reset. You have to hold the two buttons at the same time, then while holding them, use the stylus to hold the reset until it restarts. If you just tap the reset button while hold, it doesn't work.

360discgolf said:
You shouldn't need to connect to activesync to reboot. After you run ImCokeMan's unlocker you should be unlocked until you run it again.
As I said in the last post, all you have to do to get to the boot loader is hold down the power and camera buttons at the same time. This will put the phone into the boot loader and you should be able to flash back to the stock rom and start over.
It kind of sounds like you relocked the phone and then tried to boot a custom rom.
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i'm having a similar problem. my attempt at flashing didn't go over that well and now when I turn off the device, I can't turn it on again unless I do a soft reset. I tried doing the power/camera thing but all it does is ask "are you sure, yada yada" and then the devices turns off. you were talking about a stock rom? where would I get one and how would I re-flash the rom (assuming that's the problem in the first place.).
Thanks!

vkolas said:
i'm having a similar problem. my attempt at flashing didn't go over that well and now when I turn off the device, I can't turn it on again unless I do a soft reset. I tried doing the power/camera thing but all it does is ask "are you sure, yada yada" and then the devices turns off. you were talking about a stock rom? where would I get one and how would I re-flash the rom (assuming that's the problem in the first place.).
Thanks!
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what carrier are you?
EDIT: also:
1) what os version are you running? (build number)
2) what radio are you running?
3) what bootloader are you on? (can be accessed via holding power + camera button and poking reset hole)
4) what are the orange numbers in the very bottom right of the screen when you are booting up?
these kinds of things all need to kind of jive for the sleep function to work correctly

jim256 said:
i used imcokemans unlocker (which i have done before) ...
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If you used the imcokemans unlocker a 2nd time, I believe you re-lock your phone.
You also mentioned that you tried to flash the ROM from the Welcome Screen. That certainly won't work. You have to be at the unlocked rainbow bootloader screen which will load when you run the RUU or when you press Power-Camera-Reset. If it doesn't go into bootloader then you've probably re-locked your phone.

denasqu said:
If you used the imcokemans unlocker a 2nd time, I believe you re-lock your phone.
You also mentioned that you tried to flash the ROM from the Welcome Screen. That certainly won't work. You have to be at the unlocked rainbow bootloader screen which will load when you run the RUU or when you press Power-Camera-Reset. If it doesn't go into bootloader then you've probably re-locked your phone.
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haha sorry this is a problem that i had a VEERRRRY LONG time ago. have learned a lot since since then, now it is this other fella here we are trying to help him
thx tho!

My HTC Magic is bricked

I've got a "Brick" HTC Magic - Vodafone.
Basically, when i press the power button doesn't start. It happened after follow the "Install / Update SPL" ( http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/SPL ) guide.
Is there any way to recover it? or should i put it on the bin?

You're going to have to be more specific than "it doesn't start".
Does it turn on? If so, does it hang at the htc magic screen? Can you hold vol-down and press power (while still holding vol-down) and load a screen with three androids on skateboards? If you can do the last step, it's not bricked, and you should look at the thread I have below about bricking and semi bricking, one of the users on there gave a great amount of information on what you can do if your phone's not working right (bricked).
Caid.
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Caid444 said:
You're going to have to be more specific than "it doesn't start".
Does it turn on? If so, does it hang at the htc magic screen? Can you hold vol-down and press power (while still holding vol-down) and load a screen with three androids on skateboards? If you can do the last step, it's not bricked, and you should look at the thread I have below about bricking and semi bricking, one of the users on there gave a great amount of information on what you can do if your phone's not working right (bricked).
Caid.
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Hi Caid, thanks for the reply! sorry for the short message without details.
Here is the answer for your first question (sadly, the rest of questions can be skipped):
Does it turn on?
It doesn't
It was after follow the guide i mentioned before. I tried to update the SPL, but something went wrong and my phone didn't turn on again.
So... I think I have to accept the fact is not going to work again.
Is there any kind of service able to fix this?
Anibal

No display at all? no backlight on the screen? no vibration (signifying it's past a certain point in the loading stage)?
You probably tried taking out the battery for 10 seconds and then putting it back?
As Caid444 asked, tried holding Back+Power for a few seconds (after making sure power is off and not just hanging. Take off battery for 10 sec and reload)? Tried holding Home+Power after making sure power is off?

please i need some help htc touche cruise
hi everyone. I have a big problem with my htc touch cruise when I installed a hard spl htc dedicate a Diamond.donc I had a white encrant after I did a hard reset since my htc no longer I have a black encrant are neither green nor orange but when I connect with the pc I am data interface and it does not recognized my htc. In my pay is not qualified repairman three non réparé.aidé unable to please me I tried the commands mtty.exe but does not c I do not really know how it works.
thank you for your patience and for help

parrot5 said:
No display at all? no backlight on the screen? no vibration (signifying it's past a certain point in the loading stage)?
You probably tried taking out the battery for 10 seconds and then putting it back?
As Caid444 asked, tried holding Back+Power for a few seconds (after making sure power is off and not just hanging. Take off battery for 10 sec and reload)? Tried holding Home+Power after making sure power is off?
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I'd really like to say it DOES something... but it doesn't . I tried Volume down + power, back + power and several more combination always taking out the battery and putting it back.
It's bad... Do u know if there's any hardware service for this?

Just a wild guess, but since the phone sucks more battery, then a vampyre on rampage.
Could it be an idea, to charge the battery before, or have the usb cable pluged in, when you press back+home? (the same buttons you used to enter fastboot)

I'm pretty sure what you're trying to say is, you know enough about the phone to know how to bring it into it's multiple boot options, and none of them make the phone even burp. So there's no need to tell you to press this button plus that button, or insert usb or remove usb, or battery or such, because you've already done all that.
Well, I'd have to agree with you that it's dead. Unfortunately, there's nothing to do at the moment. I'm guessing (or maybe just hoping) that in the future there will be an unbricker for our phone, much like those available for many htc branded winmo phones. In the meantime, how old is your phone? Can you still bring it back?
Caid.
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p.s To anyone else who's trying to figure this out, let's assume that he's already tried the many variations of recovery procedures and that it's still not working.

argc79 said:
I've got a "Brick" HTC Magic - Vodafone.
Basically, when i press the power button doesn't start. It happened after follow the "Install / Update SPL" ( http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/SPL ) guide.
Is there any way to recover it? or should i put it on the bin?
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If it's really a brick and we all want to learn something from this then we need to know the following :
1. What was your original SPL
2. To which SPL did you "try" to upgrade? (I hope you didn't try to flash a G1 SPL on your Magic...).

Amon_RA said:
If it's really a brick and we all want to learn something from this then we need to know the following :
1. What was your original SPL
2. To which SPL did you "try" to upgrade?
(I hope you didn't try to flash a G1 SPL on your Magic...).
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That's how my brick arrived ! Tried Hard SPL, after installing the one you suggested. Yours okay, Hard SPL no. But even after installing the spl, no fastboot adb.

BRICKED by HARD SPL ( the recommended )
Same here, I have just bricked my new vodafone HTC Magic (Vaffanc...)
downloaded from here: http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/downloads/list?q=label:SPL
I hope something can be done. It is not reacting to power button at all.

Amon_RA said:
If it's really a brick and we all want to learn something from this then we need to know the following :
1. What was your original SPL
2. To which SPL did you "try" to upgrade? (I hope you didn't try to flash a G1 SPL on your Magic...).
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I think you are right, I have flashed the G1 SPL. But the page is really not clear, it start speaking as Dream/Magic and probably it is only for Dream. Since it says to apply the Hard Spl and in the download link(http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/SPL) there is no clue that it is not for the G2.
Any idea? anybody got it changed from the shop with no problems? (mine is vodafone in the netherlands)
Me idiot, I have to leave tomorrow for holidays!

byronhero said:
I think you are right, I have flashed the G1 SPL. But the page is really not clear, it start speaking as Dream/Magic and probably it is only for Dream. Since it says to apply the Hard Spl and in the download link(http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/SPL) there is no clue that it is not for the G2.
Any idea? anybody got it changed from the shop with no problems? (mine is vodafone in the netherlands)
Me idiot, I have to leave tomorrow for holidays!
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as far as i can see no need to flash spl on vodafone magic. i have the same phone and all i did was root with Rav1.1.1G.img and flashed rom of my choice. you have flashed phone with g1 spl and it actually says g1 on the link you provided..........can't see how you missed it. with phone off press home+power button as that bring up recovery image. Rav image file is safer due to that. i am sure if hardspl was available for Magic it would be posted on here as a sticky

hi
all
i have been recevied new htc magic phone from vodafone on line contract . after i done hardspl my device gone blank not power back on . and change amber light it working .... but i cant power on my device how can i reset device with go gui mode ? i had update hardspl from follwoing link http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/Install_Hard_SPL . i cant take it vodafone shop becoz just week before same happen so this is my second new phone . please help me if know any other idea
thank you
dana

thanant said:
hi
all
i have been recevied new htc magic phone from vodafone on line contract . after i done hardspl my device gone blank not power back on . and change amber light it working .... but i cant power on my device how can i reset device with go gui mode ? i had update hardspl from follwoing link http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/Install_Hard_SPL . i cant take it vodafone shop becoz just week before same happen so this is my second new phone . please help me if know any other idea
thank you
dana
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You did brick one with the hardSPL and now you bricked another with the same stuff? Didn't you learn the first time? Only way is to go back to the store and tell em you did it again.

thanant said:
hi
all
i have been recevied new htc magic phone from vodafone on line contract . after i done hardspl my device gone blank not power back on . and change amber light it working .... but i cant power on my device how can i reset device with go gui mode ? i had update hardspl from follwoing link http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/Install_Hard_SPL . i cant take it vodafone shop becoz just week before same happen so this is my second new phone . please help me if know any other idea
thank you
dana
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It seems to me you need to go back to basics and start here

A noob question but what exactly does flashing a new SPL unlock.
I got my Vodafone UK HTC magic and simply Downloaded a 32B ROM and used nandroid backup to apply the update.zip and it installed fine and can use Root required apps.

hi all
My HTC magic was bricked after update SPL. Now when press power button, it stuck at HTC magic logo, anyone have solution for fix its?

I Can not understand how can this be possible. Why guys all of you, don't read before trying to change your SPL???? You even don't need any changes about it?! Why do you try to change the SPL? Do you know what that SPL does? I think most of you - don't.
My next question is why all of you are trying to flash the G1 SPL onto Magic phone? Are you crazy or what? There is NO HARDSPL for Magic (G2, Sapphire or whatever you want to call this device)!
The SPL collection is posted in this forum by Amon_Ra, and if someone want to change the SPL can do this by downloading some of the SPL collections posted here.

say2k said:
hi all
My HTC magic was bricked after update SPL. Now when press power button, it stuck at HTC magic logo, anyone have solution for fix its?
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Power off your phone! Then press and HOLD the "back button", while holding it press once the red one(which you usually use to power on the phone). It will power on (i hope). If you get in fastboot mode then everything will be fine.

I Flashed my wing with JustHomeV19-Wing.7z. and now i got the beta expired message

i cant get an active sync connection, i tried holding down the camera button and the soft reset button but it restarts and goes back to the same screen it says
"This concludes the beta test of this software release. Thank you very much for your time and effort in helping make this a great product for our customers."
"To obtain a newer release or further information, please revisit the web site that you used to obtain your current beta release."

Hey man, I just posted a video response to your question to your original youtube video. You need to go into bootloader mode and flash a new ROM that way.

Thanks man. How do i get into bootloader mode?

You start your phone and let it get as far as it will. Then you press and hold the camera button down and press the soft-reset hole with your stylus, keep the camera button held down until you see a 3 color screen and voila, you are in bootloader mode. Once there, hook your phone up via USB and flash like normal.

THANK YOU!. I got the three color screen, but when i go into flash center like the RomUpdateUtility, it goes up to 3% and then it says error 270 and that the image file is corrupted. what should i do ?

Are you HardSPL'd?

I dont think so, how do i check if i am?

When you go into bootloader mode, what is your IPL and SPL? If you have HardSPL applied then your IPL can be whatever as long as its over 4.00.0000 and your SPL SHOULD be something along the lines of 4.26.Yang<---the Yang part differentiates it as HardSPL.

my ipl is 4.10.0002 and my spl is 4.10.0000 what should i do to hard spl my phone?

Well you have to have a working ROM first. I suggest that you go into bootloader mode, and install the original factory T-Mobile ROM, then do the HardSPL procedure, then upgrade to a newer custom ROM.

Thanks!, where can i find the original rom?

ithelkhan said:
Thanks!, where can i find the original rom?
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http://thewingster.com/tmobileofficialrom.aspx
That time bomb was weird. I guess we all didn't use the ROM long enough to see the time bomb ever -Flashing addicts

Thanks man, hey can you show me step by step how to hard spl my wing? and i was wondering whats the benefit of doing hard spl

I am going to make a video about it later on tomorrow, and the benefit is that you can load any Herald ROM no matter how its signed or whatever without having to use JumpSPL or FlashCenter everytime.

[Q] Volume button's are broken!! HOW can I make a bootloader to fix a original ROM

hi,
My volumeUp and Volumedown buttons are broken (don't works when i push it) and I MUST use a bootloader procedures tu fix a original ROM in my HTC HD to bring it to repair and check wich SPL is installed. (no HSPL for warranty!!)
is there some procedure or sw to put my HD in bootloader? MY actual ROM installed is TIM_IT_1.13.401.0 and Radio_52.49a.25.26_1.09.25.14. I think that I put the original ROM on it but I must be sure to had put a original SPL and not HSPL (for warranty)
Is there a procedure to check it whitout put it in bootloader mode?
Thanks

I have this problem to. My volume button down is also broken, and I'm no longer able to lower the sound. Sound buttons are one of the most important functions of a phone. I e-mailed HTC for this and they replied back that broken volume buttons aren't appearing on the Touch HD's. No warranty, no option to repair it. I've sended a lot of pictures of the broken button, but they didn't respond to my e-mail. Keep in mind when buying a phone next time: If you wan't better service and support I think you have to search for another company next time. Sorry, but I don't appreciate this kind of service. I have decided not to buy a HTC phone again. I'll try to find another brand who cares about service and keeping customers happy. HTC = game over for me now, even if they bring out the best phone in the world.
I am using the Ruu.exe file to flash a rom. This is the only way I have found. Only problem is I can't lower the sound immediatly when I need it and can't flash all roms because some doesn't have a RUU file included.
Good luck!

Hi,
very bad situation! I don't know here in Italy what a HTC will answer me! For the moment I must try to put my phone in the original condition; I Flash the original ROM whit RUU and also a SPL (maybe) I MUST CHECK MY SPL VERSION... and I can't if I cant Reach a BOOTLOADER STATUS.... Nobody know if there are some other procedures or software to reach it?

Was anyone able to figure out how to fix this issue?
Because this is my first post, i am not able to post a link of what i found.
On ebay itself, there is the button for sell, but i don't think that would fix it.

Ok,
Here you have, copy the exes to your device first.
EnterBootloader.exe will put your HD into bootloader (the installed one)
Manual-SPL.exe will put your HD whith an special bootloader allowing overwriting the HSPL

HelpMe - LCD problem
Dear Friends
Yesterday I dropped my blackstone and now there is no display at all (except one vertical light almost two inch width) and the remaining parts LCD is blank. but works perfectly as i feel vibration when i receive calls.Pls help me

hayyan said:
Dear Friends
Yesterday I dropped my blackstone and now there is no display at all (except one vertical light almost two inch width) and the remaining parts LCD is blank. but works perfectly as i feel vibration when i receive calls.Pls help me
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you can try to learn HTC_Blackstone_Service_Manual that can be obtained from http://www.mikechannon.net/page1.html

Hakim Rahman said:
you can try to learn HTC_Blackstone_Service_Manual that can be obtained from http://www.mikechannon.net/page1.html
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Thanks for the reply, i checked this but the problem is i cant see anything on screen!! but i m sure there is no crack at all (no visible crack - what inside i dont know) any way thanks for the reply

mac_es said:
Ok,
Here you have, copy the exes to your device first.
EnterBootloader.exe will put your HD into bootloader (the installed one)
Manual-SPL.exe will put your HD whith an special bootloader allowing overwriting the HSPL
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Many thanks. Had the same problem on my Blackstone (broken volume button) and couldn't get it into the Bootloader. You .exe file solved the problem!