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Hi! I'm considering buying a HTC TyTN and have been reading about the problems with the video performance and the ATI Imageon drivers. One of the key things that I'm interested in using my TyTN for is watching video.
I have been browsing around on the forums, reading different threads and trying to assemble a picture of the current status of this. It wasn't that easy, however. My apologies is this question has been asked a million times already.
I've seen that many new ROM's for the TyTN includes an ATI imageon fix cab and that this together with TCPMP player should solve many of the previous problems with playing video.
Are the drivers for the Imageon-chip still poor or does this fix mean that the performance is basically as good as it gets?
What I wonder is how well does it work now? Will I be able to play for example "standard" TV-ripped videos in Xvid/Divx with decent performance? I would like to not have to do transcoding of the "standard crop" of video files. I guess that the TyTN should be able to play them at least "in theory"?
What are your assessments of the current situation?
Thanks in advance!
Imageon drivers can be flakey yes but there is a simple workaround.
Switch your Video player to use "Raw Framebuffer" instead. I've tested this with TCPMP and Coreplayer on the Stock Orange WM5 Rom and an upgraded WM6 Rom from here without issue.
I can play downloaded tv eps and films fine - I've been playing around with spb mobile dvd to convert them down to about a third of their original size and they play perfectly.
I'm using raw framebuffer mode in TCPMP with sleuths ati fix and it all works fine
Awesome, this is sounding better and better! Seems like I should be able to unlock the device as well. I think I'm gonna get me one of these babies
ATi playback .... using hardware acceleration has been working for AGES, make sure you have an up to date WM6 ROM and you should be fine.
Ive been using Coreplayer (yes its the payware bigger brother of TCPMP....bloody cheap for what you get) and the hardware based video playback ROCKS!
ID recommend buying coreplayer over using TCPMP any day, considering the price of a Hermes the small price for coreplayer is peanuts in comparison.
Interesting! What would you say are the big advantages with Coreplayer over TCPMP?
Better ATI hardware support, resulting in better video performance?
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Interesting! What would you say are the big advantages with Coreplayer over TCPMP?
Better ATI hardware support, resulting in better video performance?
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Better ATi support, better looking skin, more functionality (storage card library system etc..) more support from the developers, free updates etc...
Totally worth buying.
Now I'm the happy owner of an HTC TyTN
I have SIM-unlocked it and upgraded to Pays WM6 2.05. Everything went fine after I had spent some time reading threads, the wiki and being nervous
I've been checking out Coreplayer and I've decided on buying it.
Now I just need the 8 GB MicroSD-card that I ordered.
I also plan on modding the included handsfree so that I get a 3,5mm jack for my favourite headphones.
Right guys...I don't know about you but I'm still having Video playback problems.
Frankly, Coreplayer is shocking. Yes it plays FLV which Album or WMP don't but the fact it has no h/ware acceleration on an HD player is a tad stupid.
This thread should be populated with people's own experiences as to what format, player, and encoding should be used to get the best results. I know there is already a thready about Super(c) converting, but again, this says to encode to FLV which you still have to risk in Coreplayer!
Anyone got any comments - I just want a decent player or a way of my HD vids playing half decent on the unit!
Cheers guys
in my humble opinion, this thread offers the best solution:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
Use the encoder mentioned there, so you dont have to struggle around with eright super.
And then u can play the movie with HTCs built-in movie player. Ok, the player is everything but comfortable. But the TCPMP is pain-in-the-ass, too.
greets
Yesturday I downloaded from Market YXFlash app, which is a kind of codec for XVid and a few more video formats. My question - if mobilesoft done it, I mean comiped xvid codec for arm on Android, can you - Android hackers do the same and publish here? I would like to say, that YXFlash works fine on my N1.
That would be amazing! Someone has gotta know how
Unfortunatelly I do not know C-family languages at all, so I can not do it my self... I was very sorry of xvid codecs lack in G1, but I understanded that is result of G1 processor limit (MSM7201A), which doesn't support this codec. According to QSD8250 specyfication - it should be possible to do it - to create codec (for coding and encoding) in other formats then h.264.
gmadajczak said:
Unfortunatelly I do not know C-family languages at all, so I can not do it my self... I was very sorry of xvid codecs lack in G1, but I understanded that is result of G1 processor limit (MSM7201A), which doesn't support this codec. According to QSD8250 specyfication - it should be possible to do it - to create codec (for coding and encoding) in other formats then h.264.
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my TPRO can play divx with coreplayer and tcpmp with msm7201A so its not do with the processor.
babijoee said:
my TPRO can play divx with coreplayer and tcpmp with msm7201A so its not do with the processor.
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Yes, you are right, because I read that mentioned app works also on G1. I think, that thanks Snapdragon support divix/xvid playback should be smoother and faster and not so processor-power consuming (read battery-saving).
This is a pointless discussion.
The codec (enCOder-DECoder) is HARDWARE -- built into the same package as the CPU.
XVid is more properly known as H.263, which is FULLY SUPPORTED by the hardware codec, not only for GN1, but also for OTHER android phones all the way back to and including DREAM.
There are two things *definitely* standing in the way of just playing back an "xvid" video file: 1) Demuxer applicable to the container that the video is contained in, i.e. ogm, avi, mkv, etc., 2) FOURCC -- when using the xvid h.263 encoder, the fourcc will be (incorrectly) set to "XVID" when it *should* be set to "H263". Regardless of this, the chip doesn't care what the FOURCC is, just the media player (which needs to know the stream details in order to set up the decoder chip).
There can be other issues involved in playing back the file... bitrate/resolution exceeding codec limits, audio encoding incompatible, etc.
On a side note the excellent core player should be coming out on android soon enough,they seem to be in testing stages now.
I would be shocked if coreplayer was out for android this year. The s60v5 version has been "in the works" for over a year now I think, and porting from s60v3 should be cake. Coreplayer 2.0 is the DNF of mobile apps
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I would be shocked if coreplayer was out for android this year. The s60v5 version has been "in the works" for over a year now I think, and porting from s60v3 should be cake. Coreplayer 2.0 is the DNF of mobile apps
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sadly, i know what DNF means, lol
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sadly, i know what DNF means, lol
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Time to kick ass and chew bubblegum and im all out of gum!
bradsh1 said:
I would be shocked if coreplayer was out for android this year. The s60v5 version has been "in the works" for over a year now I think, and porting from s60v3 should be cake. Coreplayer 2.0 is the DNF of mobile apps
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Is there track record that bad ?
They didnt do the iphone because they were shutdown by Apple.
They keep posting progress including screenshots for Android.
twitter.com/corecodec
http://img158.yfrog.com/i/6zxx.jpg/
They already got sound and UI done, hinted that progress was going better than expected. As for YXFlash... it sucks for certain videos and after 2 minutes, BOOM! tough actin tinactin!
After spending a long time with my HD2 I noticed the biggest gripe I had with Android in general was video playback. I went ahead and tested all the available video players and compared them to good old coreplayer and I was not at the least impressed.
All I want is for my phone to be able to play ANY video encoded with a resolution of 480p or lower (at understandable bitrates) and at perfect image quality and no lag. On Coreplayer using WinMo, this feat is easily attainable, all 480p AVC and XVID files play like butter regardless of their encoding specs using directdraw. There is no NEON or dedicated HW support on this player yet I am extremely impressed.
The stock android player can even play 720p files with HW support but they have be encoded in a very specific way, and encoding takes too much and decreases quality, thats why I prefer native support for varying formats. When switching over to android I expected one player to atleast perform on the same level as Coreplayer and I am disappointed beyond belief.
Here are my comments.
Act 1 Video Player - 1/10
-Cant play Xvid/Mkv Stock is better.
arcMedia - 2/10
-Serious distortions on AVI, and 480p AVC video. Coreplayer WM 6.5.5 is better.
Meridian Media Player - 1/10
-Inproper codec support.
QQPlayer 3/10
-Cannot decode AVC properly, minor distortions occur during XVID playback, Coreplayer still superior. XVID: Distoritons are clear, however, no grainy playback, occasional slowdowns. Too bugy for personal use.
Rockplayer - 5/10
-Inadequate AVC decoder, XVID playback has minimal distortions, watchable. Coreplayer for WM still quite a bit better
VPlayer - 4/10
-Rouphly the same AVC performance as Rockplayer, however, Rockplayer has a better XVID decoder. Signifincantly worse than Coreplayer for WM.
YXPlayer - 1/10
-Utter crap, no decent decoders, and horrible AVI playback.
Vital Player - 4/10
-Simmilar AVC and XVID performance to Rockplayer. XVID playback had small distortions and was not as clear as Rockplayer. Watchable. Coreplayer, however was still very much superior in both 480p AVC and AVI files.
How can all the latest players on a modern OS fall so horribly short of an aging video player in a deceased platform. I truly dont get this. I also own a Samsung Captivate but do not use it nearly as often as the HD2, the Galaxy S is equipped with a phenomenal video player that basically plays every thing. I dont expect this from 3rd party players, but why cant I get WinMo video performance on Android????? does anyone know of an alternative, besides waiting another year for coreplayer to be released for android; What do you guys think??
FYI: These are my Coreplayer settings in full.
http://forum.corecodec.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3911&sid=133b4fe474b1a530f5677b0bb94f9588
I hear you man...
Agreed. As a current HD2 owner (and prior owner of a Touch pro2), I'm a big WinMo fan and Coreplayer is also my video player of choice - hands down one of the best.
I recently got a NookColor as a gift, and it happens to be my first Android device, so i went ahead and rooted it - figured i might as well make a full-fledged Android tablet out of it that I can do other things on when i'm tired of reading by ebooks. One of my biggest pastimes is catching up on tv-shows I've downloaded - and most happen to be avi files.
I cant for the life of me find a decent Video Player for Android either - i've tried VPlayer, Act 1 (doesnt play avi's - but pretty decent on mp4s - but i'm not going thru the hassle of converting my videos to mp4 - I shouldnt have to!) and a host of others too - some of which you have mentioned.
Please post a reply to this thread if you find a decent player (I dont mind forking out a few bucks on the market for one) - but as my first experience on Android, I'm utterly disappointed by the lack of a decent video player too!
True true. I heard the coreplayer team is trying to port coreplayer to android. So that might be good.
However alot of the new phones are coming out with more codec support so it may make 3rd party video players obsolete or near obsolete in due time.
Eg your captivate, it plays every video file thrown at it, if not, most.
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True true. I heard the coreplayer team is trying to port coreplayer to android. So that might be good.
However alot of the new phones are coming out with more codec support so it may make 3rd party video players obsolete or near obsolete in due time.
Eg your captivate, it plays every video file thrown at it, if not, most.
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i think ur right
The only reason I got the Galaxy S was because of it ability to playback virtually anything inc. 720p MKV with TV out.
But just because it can play a video file does not make it great because the stock video player is so basic :
No slow mo
No MKV subtitle support
No A/B repeat
No pinch to zoom
You get the idea.
Third party video players will always be required because the stock players lack cool functions that Coreplayer had years ago.
The Coreplayer teams keep making false claims about releasing an Android or iPhone version. I doubt it will happen in my lifetime.
Me too, i waiting for coreplayer, i still keep my HD2 for video playback
I survive with QQPlayer, with Mobo Player as a second choice, but I agree with your argument
Well for anyone, mobo player seems really good.
I use android on the HD2 and rockplayer has played mp4/avi/mkv/etc all fine.
This is the only reason why I'm still stuck on WM6.5 on HD2.
All android video players suck harder than a collapsed star.
Can't find any player that plays .flv, has manageable playlist, can shuffle, and smooth playback. There's nothing half good as WM CorePlayer.
I've heard that there is CorePlayer for Android (OEM license) But there's no market/consumer version.
http://twitter.com/#!/CoreCodec/status/116337393455472640
bs player is out for android and is working great, so is mx video player. i mostly use mx video player, it plays all the file formats.
QQPlayer？I do not think it's good enough.BUT MOBO
MoboPlayer
There is only one good media player on android, i tried all the others but i stick to this one again and again: "MoboPlayer" does it all.
Really ?
Probably not everything, i've seen that claim before, but i have had some weird files that worked like a charm and ofcourse your basics: AVI/MKV/MP2/3/4/OGM/FLAC. Streaming etc. You can change volume and brightness by swyping .. LEFT/RIGHT on screen.
Just download & try, because its FREE on the market. Lemme know if you agree or not.
I used mobo and is great..better than stock..and its free and all work good..till now its not bugy and block my hd2..
i've installed mx video player, mobo and daroon, because they all have their strengths, but i mostly use mx video player.
Hi Iconia-Lovers,
I really love my Tab for web-browsing and gaming, but you have to admit it sucks at video playing. MP4 and 3GP are crappy formats that are hardly used in RL und converting your whole video and movie collection isn't a real option.
I had have an Archos A70 which plays even 1080p MKV flawless with a single core 1GHZ CPU, but relies on an additional decoding chip if i get this right.
In theory, the Tegra 2 has more than enough power to play 1080p files, right?
I already tried like 6 different media players but all of them weren't able to play 720p mkvs nice and even non-HD-avi-files felt a little slowed-down.
So can we hope for a hardware-accelerated media player that enables alle the joy of moving pictures for us? Will possibly acer itself help us out on this issue? What are Samsung and Motorola doing on their Gingerbread tablets to enable nice media playing?
Hoping for a better tomorrow
Cheers
pint
pintness said:
Hi Iconia-Lovers,
I had have an Archos A70 which plays even 1080p MKV flawless with a single core 1GHZ CPU, but relies on an additional decoding chip if i get this right.
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you sure about that?? my 101 throws a fit with 1080p mkv videos and both use the the firmware.
but i agree, i would love better video support on the iconia, since it runs circles around my archos when it comes to everything else.
pintness said:
Hi Iconia-Lovers,
I really love my Tab for web-browsing and gaming, but you have to admit it sucks at video playing. MP4 and 3GP are crappy formats that are hardly used in RL und converting your whole video and movie collection isn't a real option.
I had have an Archos A70 which plays even 1080p MKV flawless with a single core 1GHZ CPU, but relies on an additional decoding chip if i get this right.
In theory, the Tegra 2 has more than enough power to play 1080p files, right?
I already tried like 6 different media players but all of them weren't able to play 720p mkvs nice and even non-HD-avi-files felt a little slowed-down.
So can we hope for a hardware-accelerated media player that enables alle the joy of moving pictures for us? Will possibly acer itself help us out on this issue? What are Samsung and Motorola doing on their Gingerbread tablets to enable nice media playing?
Hoping for a better tomorrow
Cheers
pint
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Tried VPlayer? it costs like $4/ £2.30 but it can play practically all standards, not sure how it fares for 1080p tho.
I had it playing .avi and .mkv fine though.
Vplayer--
Video formats: divx/xvid, wmv, m4v, flv, rmvb, avi, mkv, mov, mp4, 3gp, ts, tp...
Streaming: http, rtsp, mms and m3u(apple http stream, m3u8)
I use UPnPlay (network streaming) along with MoboPlayer and it has played everything i have on my NAS very well.
Also I know Rockplayer gives you the option of hardware/software decoding so you may want to give that a try if you haven't already. There is a free version.
Both moboplayer and rock player are useless for my 720p and 1080p videos... total stutterfest, but that's a known thing for tegra devices on 3.0...
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Both moboplayer and rock player are useless for my 720p and 1080p videos... total stutterfest, but that's a known thing for tegra devices on 3.0...
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Hmmm... I use moboplayer, and every 720 did I've tried has been great! I haven't tried any 1080p vids though.
tested 1080 quality....the videos lag and the audio missing....
hope acer will figure it out....
Avatar & 10,000 B.C. in 1080P using UPnPlay & MoboPlayer streamed from my WD NAS, looks great. No lagging at all.
not another one of these threads..
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not another one of these threads..
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Guess what? You aren't being forced to read this thread.
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Guess what? It pushes down other, more quality threads.
Guess what? There's already something like 6 or 7 threads EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE already.
Guess what? People need to learn to use the search function.
Guess what? Guess what? Guess what?
^ If you don't like it, report it to a mod and move on...
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Guess what? It pushes down other, more quality threads.
Guess what? There's already something like 6 or 7 threads EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE already.
Guess what? People need to learn to use the search function.
Guess what? Guess what? Guess what?
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Guess what? You've just caused this thread to get bumped several times.
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I have been trying all the suggested encoders to get smooth playback for film material as 60/50hz works fine. I maybe more sensative to it than others as I tent to look for it on moving objects. But I got it to replace a media player too.
I tried the script posted in another thread with good results but the jump is still there.
Bought DVD Catalist 4 with same results.
Freemake with custom profile same again.
Handbreak I find too slow but I read it works but can't verify it.
Any Video Converter Pro with xoom profile WORKS - it has very little judder but having to strip the subtitles out of the MKV every time is a real pain ( Anyone know how to disable them ) and it's too expensive anyway.
Trying to edit DVD Catalist 4 profile now but no success yet
Oh and I tried Vplayer , Rockplayer , Moboplayer and any others I could find
Hope my two weeks at this helps somone else out.
@RaveOn911
With any problem, you need to find its parameters. Only a handful of people notice the "micro-stutter" deal, so it's either a user sensitivity issue, or a tablet-centric issue (which could be hardware or software, user-caused or device defect).
Ask somebody to watch a video clip on your tablet, and ask them if they see anything wrong with playback. Don't tell him beforehand about "micro-stutter", as you don't want to bias his observation.
If he notices the stutter, it's your tablet. If he doesn't, it's you.
If the first, then bring a video clip on a uSD card into a store and try it on other tablets (hopefully with same or similar make as yours). If it doesn't happen on other tabs, then replace your tab. If it happens on every other tab, then again it's you.
If you have heightened sensitivity, then there may be params that can alleviate the issue. The default interleave for MP4Box is 0.5s. You can reduce this interleave, eg
MP4Box -inter 250 -add infile.mp4 -new outfile.mp4
(or)
MP4Box -tight -add infile.mp4 -new outfile.mp4
MP4Box works on MP4 only. Given that MKVs can only play in software mode currently on Teg2 tabs, it's a fool's errand to play MKV and claim that they don't play smoothly. Avail of the native support.
Mobo Player plays my mkv and xvid/divx AVI's just fine. I'm no codec/encoding expert, but from what I've read it's worth re-encoding some of the files to a more manageable bitrate for both audio and video and maybe dump the 5.1 or AC3 audio. I haven't looked at every file I've played, but a couple that would choke on my Win7 Asus netbook, I re-encoded with Handbrake. They still look and sound great.
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Given that MKVs can only play in software mode currently
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I understood that that's the whole point the OP was trying to make: he wishes that someone makes a video player application that can handle MKVs via the hardware decoder. It's not a bad thing to wish for, either; it would provide better performance and hardware playback uses less battery, too.
The question remains: is it possible? As far as I know, the chip itself doesn't get relayed anything more than the actual video stream inside the file, regardless of the container, and thus an app should be able to do exactly that. But since I don't know anything about Android internals are applications given any such access?
My N900 phone uses regular GStreamer stack and thus you can demux anything you want and supply the video stream to the hardware decoder. As long as it's H.264 normal profile and not too high a resolution it'll play, regardless of the originating container.
There's nothing wrong with wishing, but until it happens, we have to use what we've got. For HC, for now that means MP4 for native support.
3.1 thus far has been worse than 2.x insofar as multimedia, probably because vendors have had 2.x for much longer, and were able to add enhanced support. A good case in point is the Samsung GalTab 7 vs the GalTab 10.1. The 7, released last year, can play MKV. The new 10.1 can't. Ditto for all the "my old phone can play MKV, why can't my tablet" complaints. It is what it is.
From all indications, HC was and is a rush job. It had to be pushed out the door because of competition from the iPad. I think the prospective buyer should understand that s/he is buying into a beta, and temper his expectations accordingly. Android has high potential, but now isn't then.
I've written a script that does fast remux/convert to MP4. A straight remux takes a few minutes, and it can process batch. It's a more productive route than wishing for a HW-accel player to come along.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1102922
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It's a more productive route than wishing for a HW-accel player to come along.
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I suppose that's a matter of viewpoint.
I took a look at the MediaPlayer class in Google's APIs and it seems to me that it should be fairly straightforward to demux the MKV file in software on-the-fly, create named pipe with mkfifo and feed the MediaPlayer class the raw video stream via that. Just throw a simple GUI on top of that and you have a rudimentary video player capable of playing MKV files with hardware accelerated video.
I'll try it out once I receive my tablet, was planning to learn Android programming anyways.
PS. Bah, doesn't allow me to post links yet :/