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Hi all,
On Monday week - ie 11th July I will be meeting with microsoft and hopefully looking at the HTC Universal in detail. I will take my camcorder along so hopefully they will let me take some footage.
Does anyone have any questions they want asked?
Also I will try to take a "origami size pattern" of the universal as many prople are worried about the size. ie you can print, fold and glue to get an accurate feel of its volume.
Any other suggestions on information that can be gained from this meeting?
Jayman
Edit: I will also try to get a couple of sample photos/video from the cameras
Ask about WM5 for other HTC devices. That would be cool to know what MS says about it.
Do you mean upgrades for existing HTC models (this is a carrier decision not m$) or do you mean new models yet to be announced such as the galaxy/wizard?
Jayman said:
or do you mean new models yet to be announced such as the galaxy/wizard?
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... which is also a question to ask manufacturers and not Microsoft.
Stateside
I wouldn't expect them to have any information on this either, but it's worth a shot. Ask if they have any information when we might be able to see this device in the US. Even ballpark figures will do. I need something to keep me away from the Samsung i730.
Also, if it is a working device, I'd be interested to know how it performs as a phone (without headset/speakerphone) in both the open and closed screen position. (i.e. are the speaker and microphone positioned to work well in both configurations?). Check out the memory configuration as well, see how much ROM is left for storage.
One more thing...WM5 seems to lend itself to easier one handed usage. I'm not sure it will be possible with the Universal, but I'd be interested in your interpretation.
It sounds like a great opportunity, have fun!
Shawn
1)
Will there be a HotFix system for the WM2005, or is there any plans for it.
2)
Will M$ Relase Rom, Radio etc. upgrades/Fixes directly in the future for WM 2005.
3)
What is M$ doing about the fact that installed programs can make the device general unstable. Are you looking into this problem and plan to solve this issue.
I'm no programmer and don't know why this happends, but i guess it the same story as Windows for desktops in earlier years?
Good luck fella.
Ask them when they are finally going to solve the microphone support issues with the phone application, why the same mic works perfectly well with speakerphone, voice recorder ect but is far too low on phone.
Maybe they could add a volume slider for the Mic in the phone app (and here's another tip, if they do, they current level should be the bottom setting!!)
Take the invisible Rom-Grabber with you and ask for a Blue Angel with WM 5.0...
USB Host
Can you find out if they have any plans to include USB host drivers so that we can use our windows mobile devices with portable hard drives. The form factor of the Universal can only be justified (by me) if I can get rid of my pc on many trips. To do that, I need access to files on my portable hard drive. Would be nice if they supported this functionality.
Ray
USB Host
Can you find out if they have any plans to include USB host drivers so that we can use our windows mobile devices with portable hard drives. The form factor of the Universal can only be justified (by me) if I can get rid of my pc on many trips. To do that, I need access to files on my portable hard drive. Would be nice if they supported this functionality.
Ray
did the meeting happen?
hi friends,
did someone actually meet ms people!
:twisted: :shock: :idea:
it's not software which limit devices from being masters and using external harddisks or the like
It's all gone very quiet, surely the rumours about the Redmond mafia's business dealings can't be true ...... can they?
Maybe we should have just suggested questions like "Is it true Bill Gates gives lots of money to charity?", or maybe "Tell me more about Microsoft's work in the third world". Poor old Jayman!
Rudegar said:
it's not software which limit devices from being masters and using external harddisks or the like
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Oh, yes it is software: they're called 'drivers', because the programs 'steer' the data to the correct controlling program.
The Universal has a USB port, so it should have a driver on it somewhere. The question would be, is the divice loaded with a driver to allow it to 'master' other devices, or is it just the syncing point?
Maybe he meant it's more likely to be HTC that can answer that question?
Of far more importance to me is does the device have a suitable method of connecting to an LCD projector? IMHO, this is the absolute killer app for a "laptop replacement" & it's pretty much the only thing I miss from the Xda II.
its more likely that ms and htc is the same, if you know what i mean. and its very likely that there is no company called htc in reallity. maybe a post box hanging in taiwan is called htc and a website hosted (???) in taiwan. but noone is working for a company called htc. i can assure you in that point. and even if there is a hand full of people claiming them selfe working for a company called htc - they are not located in taiwan. need more info about that? go to china and find out yourself, best to start your research is at a company called dopod!
cheers, lutz
lutzh said:
its more likely that ms and htc is the same, if you know what i mean. and its very likely that there is no company called htc in reallity. maybe a post box hanging in taiwan is called htc and a website hosted (???) in taiwan. but noone is working for a company called htc. i can assure you in that point. and even if there is a hand full of people claiming them selfe working for a company called htc - they are not located in taiwan. need more info about that? go to china and find out yourself, best to start your research is at a company called dopod!
cheers, lutz
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Please tell me more about this, lutz. I don't have the means to go to China and research it, but I always like to hear a good conspiracy theory.
Oh, yes it is software: they're called 'drivers', because the programs 'steer' the data to the correct controlling program.
The Universal has a USB port, so it should have a driver on it somewhere. The question would be, is the divice loaded with a driver to allow it to 'master' other devices, or is it just the syncing point?
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if you found a way to make a usb peripheral a master using software
then contact www.usb.org i'm sure they will be impressed
the universal if it have usb support contain a usb chip which can act as master
much like my gf's old acer pda which also have such a chip
htc would have gotten a better usb interface had they used the usb interface from the ati chip insted of the nativ xcale usb interface
Please tell them
F*******************KING SOLVE BLUETOOTH PROBLEMS, AT LEAST MAKE IT WORKING PROPERLY...........
regards
Gugi
-- sorry for swearing but ......
@gugi_sat: The meeting is over!
It happened on the 11th..
Hey all,
I've just got hold of a HTC Alpine and was looking to get either WM5 or WM6 working on it. (Don't stop reading this isn't a "is there a rom update available? question").
I've noticed that people have sucessfully developed new osroms for others like the Blue Angel (I used to have one , but obviously nobody has for the Alpine, so I thought I'd try to knock one up myself.
However, I've fallen quite out of my depth. Can anybody provide some bullets about how the Blue Angel osroms were produced, in fact any guidance or "don't even bother" flames are appreciated.
So far I have done this:
1) I've run up my own extrom and upgraded the radio so I now have a feel for flashing it and such.
2) I've got the old osrom and tried to extract it (hoping for salvagable drivers from wince 4 that might port across) - unfortunatly I can't figure out how to pull the thing apart. I've seen some perl scripts floating about, but if anybody could point me to the latest version of the right one it would be appreciated.
3) I've got my hands on a copy of the platfrom builder for wince 5 (I know both WM5/WM6 are based upon it) - however have now discovered that windows mobile itself isn't included :-(.
I'm probably not even going through the right motions, or it might be plain impossible, but at least I'll know.
Thanks in advance,
Josh
As far as I know they got the rom from another phone with a newer os, transfered the drivers and removed some things that would not work with the ba.
I'm pretty sure that isn't this simple but is something like this
Unfortunately this is a "don't even bother" post.
ROMs are cooked for devices that either:
a) Have a brother with almost identical hardware that got a newer OS. (like prophet / wizard duo)
b) Have a test version of newer OS leaked but never released.
Because driver architecture is different between WM 2003 and WM 5 even if you could take the ROM apart you could not just take the WM 2003 drivers and use them with WM 5 OS .
As for Platform Builder - nothing there. To build a ROM for a device you need its BSP (Board Support Package) which is what lets you compile a ROM for specific hardware. As far as I know one of those has never ever been leaked from HTC (or other OEM).
Plus, to get your hands on a Windows Mobile version of PB (yes it is actually a different version) you need to be an OEM or a "MS partner" company.
Right, well if the driver architecture has changed then I'm pretty much buggered for plan a.
The blue angel is pretty similar driver wise, isn't it? As far as I can tell the only differences are the camera and the lack of a keyboard (obviously ram/proc too). But I suppose the ASICs/CPLDs are nothing like each other. So that plan's probably out of the window too.
It's not looking too hopeful at the moment....
Josh
jleahy said:
Right, well if the driver architecture has changed then I'm pretty much buggered for plan a.
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The drivers are completely different between the two devices. While you probably would be able to extract a number of drivers from the Alpine WM2003 ROM, and while (with luck) they could/should work in the (ported) WM5 OS ROM, there is another MAJOR hurdle which would need to be overcome ...
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The blue angel is pretty similar driver wise, isn't it? As far as I can tell the only differences are the camera and the lack of a keyboard (obviously ram/proc too). But I suppose the ASICs/CPLDs are nothing like each other. So that plan's probably out of the window too.
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That's exactly the issue - the Alpine, while being VERY similar to the Blue Angel is different enough in the hardware to not be able to use the same code. In every ROM there is a Boot portion which is device specific (XIP section), which initializes the hardware before the OS starts - very similar to the BIOS in your PC. There has been (very) limited success in getting the Alpine to boot using a Blue Angel based ROM, but it HAS been done.
The largest problem is that there is no support for initializing the Radio ROM - i.e. phone support. So, while we MIGHT be able to make a ROM which can boot on the Alpine, we would only be able to make one which (MOSTLY) worked, and would NOT have any Phone/Radio/BT/etc. capabilities. Basically, your Alpine would become a glorified PDA ... only.
jleahy said:
It's not looking too hopeful at the moment....
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Nope ... as said before - without the BSP, and hardware initialization ... it'd be like trying to boot your Mac using a PC BIOS. (Although, scarily - that's getting closer and closer to be the truth ... !!!)
Hello!
I'm quite a newbie in the whole HTC world, so please answer with simple words!
Here is my problem : my HTC just wouldn't "see" my PC (neither under XP nor under Vista) when I plug the USB cable. Of course, I have already tried to reinstall ActiveSync (XP) or Sync Stuffcenter (Vista), but it doesn't work.
The battery is still charging so I assume that the cable is not broken...
Do you know if the USB cable HAS to be the HTC one? (I might currently be trying to use a Canon or Nikon one, initially designed for a digital camera...)
Any other idea?
Thanks,
Ced
on your htc try going to
1º- settings:
2º- system:
3º- then go were it say´s usb to pc
4º- there you will find a box ,if it has a check on it then uncheck it ,but if it
dont have a check on it then check it
5º- have fun with your device
In alternative....
...Make sure that activesync is talking to the USB port: On the windows PC, open activesync and look in the menu File-->Connection settings. Make sure that "Allow USB Connections" is ticked.
By the way, i don't understand why but once in a while this checkbox becomes unticked without reason....do you have the same?
Thanks for your answers, but it still isn't working...
@pzucchel : on Vista, ActiveSync does not exist I think... and on Sync Center, there is no such thing as "allow USB connections..."
@LAMM44 : the case was unchecked, so I checked it, and here, miracle, my computer shows me a window telling me that it is uninstalling something... ... ...and then... ...nothing! The PDA doesn't have a letter, this bl..dy SyncCenter does not see anything, ...
Thanks anyway, if you have any other suggestion?
Any service which might not be running and should be activated on Vista? (I don't think so, because it is not working on XP either)
Any thoughts about this USB cable thing?( Do you know if the USB cable HAS to be the HTC one? (I might currently be trying to use a Canon or Nikon one, initially designed for a digital camera...))
Ced
EDIT : the "uninstalling" thing was about Windows Mobile Device Center. When I run this program, I can see the "allow USB connections" case, which is checked... but with the case on the PDA checked or not (the one with the advanced network stuff), WM Device Center still says that the mobile device is not connected...
I can confirm you can use Any USB cable (i am presently using one from Garmin) - even through USB routers. You are right - my comment on the USB port was related to win XP. BTW, are you sure you are using an up-to-date activesync?
I have downloaded the last one on XP yesterday... But not on my computer (mine works with vista).
I can try to update Vista WM device Center... but this should have worked on XP!
Thanks for the answer about the USB cable... It seems to be a pb on my HTC then. I went through all the menus but don't see anything relevant...
...did you consider a hard reset? of course, not having activesync you cannot back up- but maybe you can use the sd card.
are you using active sync 4.5? do you have an original rom?
Yes, I wanted to do a hard reset... but not without backing up my contact and SMS!
Would you know where these are stored in the memory? (if I could just copy/paste a folder on the SD card, then I could reinstall windows mobile completely...)
I tried ActiveSync 4.5 on XP yesterday yes. I have never reinstalled WM, so I am a bit lost... What is an original ROM? If it is a DVD of WM or something, I have to search, I am not even sure I have it... I think I have the initial HTC DVD, but is there WM on it? Certainely...
BTW, would you advise me to install WM6 instead of WM5? Is it faster? And a last question : what does "ROM Tnyynt 015 (CE OS 5.2.20273 Build 20273.1.3.3) " mean? (I must admit that I don't understand I mere word of the Trinity wiki... what is a kitchen ROM for instance???)
OK, a few things to be explained!
you probably bought your trinity and it comes with an ORIGINAL rom inside it, that should be more or less working. For example, initial roms didn't even allow to use the internal GPS, that was installed but not usable because of software issues.
I don't know where you live or where you bought it, but typically your telephone company or the seller (dopod, HTC, Qtek) provide regional upgrades and improvements of the operating system (windows mobile) and of the radio rom (the one controlling WiFi, GSM, GPS, Bluetooth, etc.). Sometimes it is the case, sometimes they forget about you since you bought it and they got their money - bye bye!!!!
Then....comes XDA-Developers!
here, we generate our own operating systems and improve further the possibilities of the various systems. For example, many of us are using Windows mobile 6.0 and 6.1 on the trinity, we can switch a french telephone into an english telephone, unlock the telephone to be used in any country, etc.etc.
A telephone is much more powerful than a PC 10 years ago: in terms of processor, graphics, memory, I/O. Not a surprise that, as a PC, software can be improved. Believe me (it is at least three years i am following this): the speed, functionality and performances of the telephone can greatly improve!!! I am using the rom cooked by TNYYNT, version 15, which is based on windows mobile 6.1 and a very recent release (build) of it.
Main negative consequence of installing a cooked rom: don't expect that warranty will be valid!
Said this, a warning: you do it at your own risk. Therefore my suggestion is READ before you do things. Now your activesync problem is minor, but making the wrong upgrade could block your telephone. Nothing is "forever", but a badly stuck telephone requires good skill to recovery it.
So, step by step: is anything else working in your system? if so, i would concentrate in this active-sync problem only, for the time being.
If you would be intrigued in learning more and play with your P3600 (or P3600i, there are actually two models!) then be preparred in reading a lot on this forum! in this case, start from here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Trinity
I hope i was able to make things a bit clearer for you, don't hesitate in asking more.
i see it right now: to backup your contacts and SMS, without activesync, you can do it with this program called pimbackup that is described in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299705
you could download it directly from the telephone (or send it by email), save the installation program onto the minisd and save the contacts/sms onto the minisd card (Storage card). Then, after the hard reboot, you will have to reinstall the pimbackup and restore the contacts/sms again. is it OK?
Thanks a lot for these explanations! I will try pimbackup tonight.
Actually, I bought my HTC on ebay, and the previous owner had upgraded it to have the radio working, and had installed a lot of softwares and tweaks... But now I would like to choose my own! I understand the principle of the ROM upgrade of course, but I am just a bit lost with all the different ROMs! What is a kitchen ROM, what does "dump the ROM" mean? See, I would need a back-to-basics tutorial!
BTW, is it legal? (I mean, the packed ROMs come with Windows isn't it?) just to know!
Thanks again!
Hi, the fact that there are a lot of tweaks and radio upgrades on your HTC doesn't play much in your favour!
When you are ready, and only when you are ready, go and install Radio Rom 1.56 and the rom TNYYNT 017 (I am ASSUMING you have a P3600 and not a P3600i...right?)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=413612
somebody could disagree...but i think it is the best choice!
Concerning the legal aspects, i am not a lawyer but microsoft is well aware of the XDA-Developers site, including HTC and the involved companies. Many of us do believe they use this site for beta-testing....but again, search yourself on the site to know microsoft's opinion...
My argument: I paid for the WM license, I bought the hardware and i would like to have a nicely working system - if they are ready to support their customers they should let us know ;;;;-)
By the way - about your question on the "legality" that made me thinking about it . Read this thread and enjoy it!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290190
Whaou, great post about the legality, thanks!
I think I have a 3600 and not a 3600i (I am a bit ashamed, but I don't know how to know this.......), but the fact that the radio wasn't activated when the previous owner bought it seems to mean it was the 3600, no?
Thanks a lot for PIMBackup, it worked perfectely, and really fast!
Now that my backup is done, I'm a bit stuck, because I still haven't solved the USB problem, and I need the connection to download the ROM...
ready for a hard-reset? settings-->Clear Storage (dont worry - it will not clear the minisd...)
just before the hard-reset : do you think my usb connection has any chance of working after that?
EDIT : hard reset done, USB working just fine!!! Thanks a lot!
Now I'm ready to spend hours trying to install install Radio Rom 1.56 and the rom TNYYNT 017.
(do I need to install TNYYNT first?)
EDIT2 : OK, I have installed TNYYNT 017, it's really simple actually, and must faster than my bugged WM5! I haven't tried the radio yet.
Thanks again!
EDIT3 : BTW, would you advise me to install Tomtom 6 or 7? Thanks again!
Answer one: of course i think you have some chance...especially now that i know it works!
Answer two: go for the radio rom...and donate to TNYYNT since he did really a great job. If you try other roms, you will notice the difference (i tried all of them, essentially). The radio rom is also very great in my opinion, and the update is easy.
Answer three: TomTom 7.4 is indeed the best (even better than IGo).
I am happy that it worked out and i was helpful.
Tomtom 7.4?
On tomtom's website, I can only see the 6th version of Tomtom Navigator (http://www.tomtom.com/products/category.php?ID=2&Language=1)
Where could I find the 7th?
Hi again!
I'm quite happy with my installation now, I tweaked a bit starting from TNYYNT 017, then Radio Rom 1.56.
In particular, I followed the instruction of http://www.milow.net/public/projects/windows-mobile-skin.html to have a nice iPhone-like skin.
Now, I would like to make a backup of these few hours!
(I'd like to make make my own ROM, is it "dump the ROM"? if yes, would you have something clearer than http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_HowtoDumpRom ?)
I still have one problem, my internet WLAN connection doesn't seem to work (right after the installation of TNYYNT and radio 1.56). My Wifi is seen, the password entered and it says "connected", but when I launch any webpage with internet explorer, it stays at the "locating" stage (first, "Connecting" is written, then "Locating", then... nothing!). Any idea please?
Thanks again for all your help!!!
EDIT : hhhoooo noooo, now I've got this blinking start menu problem!!!!! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=295816
GGGRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! Well, any suggestion might help a lot!!!
I have tried to download the drivers by both options given (USB and OTA). I can't discover this device on my phone. Everywhere I look, it is said that this product is compatible to this phone. It does give the option of SPP/HID and I chose HID; the bluetooth stack I chose is Windows not Broadcom. www .wmexperts.com/review-freedom-pro-bluetooth-keyboard according to this review, I am supposed to be able to connect without the drivers, but that is not happening. I am not so anal that EVERYTHING MUST WORK PROPERLY, but it would be nice to at least have the keyboard to work. I am a teacher and this would give me the freedom to actually use my phone in another capacity, as well as ENTERTAINMENT, which is my initial reason. I must admit, that I am not as computer saavy as some, but I do have a little knowledge. What might be some reasons for my phone not discovering this keyboard? What might I have done wrong?
Diana
TMobile USA
HTC HD2
MzDiana said:
I have tried to download the drivers by both options given (USB and OTA). I can't discover this device on my phone. Everywhere I look, it is said that this product is compatible to this phone. It does give the option of SPP/HID and I chose HID; the bluetooth stack I chose is Windows not Broadcom. www .wmexperts.com/review-freedom-pro-bluetooth-keyboard according to this review, I am supposed to be able to connect without the drivers, but that is not happening. I am not so anal that EVERYTHING MUST WORK PROPERLY, but it would be nice to at least have the keyboard to work. I am a teacher and this would give me the freedom to actually use my phone in another capacity, as well as ENTERTAINMENT, which is my initial reason. I must admit, that I am not as computer saavy as some, but I do have a little knowledge. What might be some reasons for my phone not discovering this keyboard? What might I have done wrong?
Diana
TMobile USA
HTC HD2
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Hi Diana, welcome! The HD2 actually has the widcomm BT stack in it, so I would suggest starting the process over and changing that one step. I'm not familiar with that keyboard in particular, but I'll go check it out while you try that first.
OK. I did start over and chose the other driver and so forth. I think I have some learning to do because the phone freezes up or it is waiting for me to use the keyboard (lol). So, I will play with this for a bit and get back with you as to how well it works or not.
Buying you a beer! Thanks a million as I went to bed playing with this and got up this morning doing the same LOL
MzDiana said:
OK. I did start over and chose the other driver and so forth. I think I have some learning to do because the phone freezes up or it is waiting for me to use the keyboard (lol). So, I will play with this for a bit and get back with you as to how well it works or not.
Buying you a beer! Thanks a million as I went to bed playing with this and got up this morning doing the same LOL
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No problem...and thank you! Unfortunately the sub-par widcomm stack (the same one the TouchPro2 is saddled with) is known for irregular behavior and inconsistent performance...so, even if you're doing everything 100% properly, it still may not work, or not all the time
Don't give up just yet though...sometimes it just takes a few soft-resets to kick things into the proper gear.
okay. since Android got it self a forum, i thougt we need a Ubuntu thread. I have no idea if this post belong here, but i belive it needs to be somewhere. I love to have a full Ubuntu running with WiFi at least. The Andriod and Ubuntu thread is overwhelmd with Andriod dev so here i go. If the Ubuntu developers for HD2 want to setup a thread of there own i would love it
Also read the first sticky Linux post for current info and files . Im not a developer just a user hoping for further development on Ubuntu, and i hope im not alone out there
My story so far:
I have used Ubunto now for a while with a USB hub with a mouse, keyboard, soundcard and external power. So far i found Ubunto to be a bit unstable. Feels like its easy to make it drop out. I have ended up with no startmeny and no computer icons, leaving me with just desktop pic and i have to press power/hangupp button to shut it down.
Also playing music in included music player is a bit shaky, sometime i dont get audio and need to change a couple of tracks to get it to play again.
BTW anybody have a password problem? If i want to change time as a example,i need to type a password and its not accepting "ubuntu"?
Also, anybody have managed to get landscape somehow? Would also be nice to get WiFi up and running, so if a dev has any ideas on possible updates on progress would be nice. I have no mobile usb dongle so i havent been able to try that.
So how your experience so far? Type away and lets at least share what we know.
Best regards from me.
ROM, latest NRG cookie dilink glass edition
Radio, 2,12,50
only ubuntu download link i found
gamesquare.co.uk/ubuntuh.html
wow, talkabout being the only one wanting Ubuntu on my HD2. Sorry, wont ask again.
I would definitely be interested in running Ubuntu on my HD2 - it is the OS of choice for my desktop. Is there any bluetooth support at present? I have a BT keyboard / mousepad combo and that would make it very useable for me.
ok but if i don't have a keyboard for my phone and i want to use ubuntu .. i reallt can't use it ? is there any virtual keyboard ..?
Bluetooth and WiFi is currently not working, also no sound.
BUT there is built in usb support. I went to rhe cheepest electronic store and bougt a USB HUB that has its own power adaptor, also som USB cables and adaptors.
A regular pc keyboard, mouse, mobile internet dongle etc. Everything being USB can be used. And i also found in a drawer of mine a usb stick soundcard. So basicly as it is now, all works with some cheep usb tec, but as stated, i have no mobile internet so dont know if it works.I did get to borrow a dongle for like 5min and it found the internet supplyer etc so should work i guess.
Now i realise for some that they might go banana because they cant use Ubuntu without USB gadgets. But thats one reason to try to get the developers attention. If you get to connect some usb stuff(mouse being the least, no k-board if you want to just try it out, i belive you will get hooked on the idea and trying out stuff of your own. I find it fun connecting all old USB stuff i have lying around.
Next step is to add my 1TB usb drive, maybe get to watch some movies.
So, its Ubunto is its birth at least crawling. But with the full attention on Andriod it seems Ubuntu is getting forgotten, hence this thread, so they notice us, and while we wait, try it and report here in lack of space, only wish this could be a sticky or a seperat dev Ubuntu thread because, were drowning in the Android happiness going on.
I will keep testing its 0,1 beta further to se what makes it tick. But im no developer, just a concernd fan, but im having fun, so i report my findings, fun to be in the edge, or birth of something so comon, bring out the dea...ops, i mean bring out your USB gadgets and play, who knows, you might have fun as i.
..oh, sorry for missing one reply here. Found no virtual keyboard so far, this password thing is my biggest concern atm, its like admin rights i need.
Some touch screen implementation is in there, so you can use your fingers to move around and dubble tapp opens SOME stuff and menys. Not very presise but it works if your patient.
Heres a list of USB gadgets im using atm.
HUB: Plexgear, 4 usb ports + 1 data port (its where you plugin you HD2) + power adaptor (Incl in the package)
Mouse: A old Microsoft 2.0 wired mouse and a reaaally sheep wirless mouse, just tried if wireless mouse would work, and i can confirm it does.
Keyboard: A mini keyboard named Zippy with built in blue lights, got to type in style =)
Sound: A no name usb stick not much larger then the usb reciver for a wirless mouse. All it says on the stick is " USB Audio Controller. I belive i heard somthing they going for the amout of 17$ or somthing.
Harddrive: Tryed my 1TB drive, maybe its to large to get recognized or something, but i cant find it atm.
BTW Anybody have a small USB HD lying around they could test?
Nakazul said:
okay. since Android got it self a forum, i thougt we need a Ubuntu thread. I have no idea if this post belong here, but i belive it needs to be somewhere.
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'HD2 Android Development' naming is erroneous for that reason. I vote we rename the forum Linux and Android development.
-Most elementary progress is seated in the kernel - which has nothing to do with android in the first place. The kernel is Linux and not android.
-Android is not the only userland usable. As seen here there is ubuntu and other stuff.
edit: Find a thread discussing this issue here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=654560
I can fix you ubuntu 0.2 with wifi and all kinds of stuff soon.
Nakazul said:
wow, talkabout being the only one wanting Ubuntu on my HD2. Sorry, wont ask again.
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cant wait to boot up ubuntu on my hd2. But still cant even boot up with v0.1.
dcordes, ur great man! love how the team actually progresses to achieve the current state.
just would like to ask issit possible, technically, to tap on gprs while running ubuntu? Was thinking bout it but not technically sure.
wangiles said:
dcordes, ur great man! love how the team actually progresses to achieve the current state.
just would like to ask issit possible, technically, to tap on gprs while running ubuntu? Was thinking bout it but not technically sure.
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you're welcome. yes that's possible I'm working on it as we speak.
speedwie said:
cant wait to boot up ubuntu on my hd2. But still cant even boot up with v0.1.
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Hmm, thats bad. I read the read me file and it booted up nicly. Are you using stock rom or somthing? What happent for you?
What i did was basicly just extract the folder "Ubuntu and copied it to storage card so the Ubuntu folder was in the root of the SD. First try i had no hub or mouse or anything connected just to se if it worked.
Im using latest NRG rom from 24th, cookie Dinik version with 2.12.50 radio, i have 575MB activated.
dcordes said:
I can fix you ubuntu 0.2 with wifi and all kinds of stuff soon.
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woooo, lovly, cant wait to try it out.
linux distro
wich linux distro would it be better for android?
i would say the ubuntu netbook remix
but thats only me...
i can't wait to use it, the kernel its almost done anyway (android), also wouldn't it be possible to swap between the 2 of them? (android and linux) i know you can with a piece of software change between gnome and kde or other in ubuntu, i already used it.
cheers
linux
in android you just can't keep up with the thread, speak of linux and nobody cares, ndo they know what we are on about?
i don't think so...
I've been using Ubuntu linux as the only OS on my laptop I use for everything (school, work, personal stuff) for about a year now. I absolutely love it, and if it weren't for games and some work stuff, I would also switch to Ubuntu with my desktop. One thing that did give me a lot of headaches on my laptop was my phone though: I've had lots of trouble with the combination of my HD2 and ubuntu/linux (obviously, since M$ does not support linux at all).
But still, I don't really feel the need to have ubuntu on my phone. I'm happy with android because that is supported well by my ubuntu laptop, but I don't see how an OS that has been made for screens of 7" or bigger (taking into account the netbook edition, otherwise I'd say 12") and input by mouse/keyboard can be really useful on a 4" mobile phone.
If you want a debian-based distro that is useful on your phone I'd look at Maemo/Meego: these distro's are more open and desktop-like than android but have been made for usage on a phone (touch)screen. I just have no idea how much work it would be to port one of these OSes.
I respect that people want to tinker around with ubuntu and try to get it to work, but personally I think it is best to have as many as possible developers working on Android itself rather than not-so-useful side projects...
ah well, just my two cents
port linux
to port ubuntu or any other distro to a mobile all you need is the kernel, for htc hd2 its almost ready, on top of the kernel you can put whichever linux u want, maemo android linux whatever u want.
I know that, I was talking about the portability of the OS itself... the software on the OS has to communicate with the right drivers and stuff. Since android runs on HTC devices with similar software, a lot of stuff can be copied. Maemo normally runs on a Nokia device, Ubuntu is mainly developed for x86/x64 hardware, that's why I think they're more of a job to port.
yeah should be quite a challenge but i believe that is what drives this guys, anyway ubuntu is already running on hd2 my concerns are actually the distro to be used that makes it usable, i mean if i have to carry a keyboard and mouse to make it work its not very practical. i rather have a choice to use it or not, regarding the os communicating with the drivers it should be quite straight forward since ubuntu is pretty much plug and play at the moment, it will detect your hardware (drivers).